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The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
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it seems to me that satan had an "in" with Eve for some technicalities. i think satan wanted them to sin in a way that would mirror his own sin (to rise above God). not sure, here. indeed, the target was to destroy eve so the savior could not be borne thru her. but, deeper than that, there seems to be other issues.
regarding the temptation of Jesus - that is an interesting view. this is what i always thought:
Jesus' temptation was not for the kingdoms, but for avoiding the cross to get to them.
Quoting: Salt I'd need something to go on, some kind of justification, for seeing anything going on between Eve and the serpent before the meeting in the garden and "her husband with her". Seems to me that since Adam alone was told to guard the place, that he would be the one in collusion with the serpent. BTW, think of what a "help" Eve turned out to be. The word is "ezer kenegdo", "a strong one facing him", and is used also for God in regard to Israel on several occasions. She was his ally, his partner, coming to lend him aid because of something he lacked. When God said the savior would come through her seed, that is the ultimate "ezer", IMHO. God created her to be the solution to the plot He knew Satan was about to hatch. (So maybe that's why Satan targeted her first, to take out Adam's guard!) I [not that you asked] think the same thing I did back in August on Apollo's thread: Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo [ the post immediately below in blue is what I was answering. mine is below that]If jesus took the offer, he would have been made into a god to the people of earth. They would worship him because he would represent the lawless one. He would have his followers do away with the law of the old testament, and bring a new one that focuses mostly on himself. He might even give the impression that you can now sin all you want as long as your focus and faith is on him. This of course would cause division between his followers and the followers of the true god. It would probably cause some wars. He would probably change the dates of worship from the sabbath to sunday as a mockery to the true god.
Oh man the more i think about it the more i see that if he had accepted that offer he would change the entire religios scene on earth.
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[What he/she's saying above pretty much did happen though. Impemented by worshipers of Satan , who don't know they're followers of Satan?]maybe you're right, somewhat, but I still think this fits better- But that's why it was a temptation. He would love to have begun his rule then and relieve the suffering of humans. He ,probably tempted almost to the limit of what he could bear, resisted and though not knowing his father's timetable or reasons for delay, trusted his father would get it right Certainly demonstrates the truth of 1 john 5:19, though , huh? I forgot, wanted to add this scripture- King James Bible Ps 110.1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. And then Satan cast out of heaven: "Woe to the earth and sea b/c the accuser of our brothers has come down to you, full of great anger ,knowing he has a short time"
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