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The Truth about Hell - but the mainstream fundies can't accept it. and maybe you can't either
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Okay, I've found some material about this, but I'm not sure If that's what I want to post. Have to make sure I totally understand it first, right?
But meanwhile these thoughts occurred: To Whom was the sacrifice of Isaac going to be? Who provided the substitute? "Unless blood is poured out, no forgiveness takes place." Who forgives? Who were the animal sacrifices to? God is the one who provided, and the one who owns and provides everything that we have to give to Him. Analogous to His provision of His son, and ram-in the-thicket, etc. He provided, yet they were [voluntarily?] offered to Him ?
I will come back to this, and address other subjects I didn't reply to yet, if anybody's still around.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311 Of course the sacrifices were to God, but why were they needed in the first place? Because of sin. And yet Jesus still had to redeem us, but since he is God, it would be impossible to redeem us from himself. The sticking point for me is the Bible's own terminology of redemption and ransom, since no one pays them to themselves. Okay, think it boils down to this: [notes in blue, I added]Hebrews 8:7 "but into the second [compartment] the high priest alone enters once a year,[Day of Atonement,or 'perfect covering', or covenant] not without blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of ignorance of the people. 8 Thus the holy spirit makes it plain that the way into the holy place had not yet been made manifest while the first tent was standing. 9 This very [tent] is an illustration for the appointed time that is now here, and in keeping with it both gifts and sacrifices are offered. However, these are not able to make the [man] doing sacred service perfect as respects his conscience, 10 but have to do only with foods and drinks and various baptisms. They were legal requirements pertaining to the flesh and were imposed until the appointed time to set things straight. 11 However, when Christ came as a high priest of the good things that have come to pass, through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, 12 he entered, no, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time into the holy place and obtained an everlasting deliverance [for us] [or ransom]. 13 For if the blood of goats and of bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who have been defiled sanctifies to the extent of cleanness of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of the Christ, who through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works that we may render sacred service to [the] living God?" KeeptotheCode, you seem fantastically smart and knowledgeable, and are a very good writer imho. And I know I probably shouldn't, but I've enjoyed your irritability and at-least- partly justified righteous indignation. Hope never to be deprived of in future!
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