Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,590 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 533,211
Pageviews Today: 750,939Threads Today: 283Posts Today: 4,089
07:09 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 12:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


LOL after the insight I posted, that's the best you can do for a reply? Oh poor, poor Astro...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Insight? I'm still waiting for a substantive reply on the issue of field rotation of the moon. You've decided you've lost on that issue so now you're running away and trying to start a new discussion as if the moon actually is "tilting" because you know you can't hack it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You haven't backed your claim that field rotation affects the moon in the same way it does to a nonrotational orbital body such as a distant star. All you've ever done is provide a video of the ISS, which orbits the Earth (fail one, since stars don't orbit us, so a failed analogy/example/correlation)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

The moon orbits earth dumbass, so does ISS.
and which doesn't have the same orbital pattern of the Moon (fail two).
 Quoting: IDW

You have utterly failed to explain what about the moon's orbit would cause it to not show field rotation when other orbiting objects like ISS DO show field rotation.

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Read my post again, this time S L O W L Y.
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 31516487
United States
01/08/2013 12:59 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...

Insight? I'm still waiting for a substantive reply on the issue of field rotation of the moon. You've decided you've lost on that issue so now you're running away and trying to start a new discussion as if the moon actually is "tilting" because you know you can't hack it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You haven't backed your claim that field rotation affects the moon in the same way it does to a nonrotational orbital body such as a distant star. All you've ever done is provide a video of the ISS, which orbits the Earth (fail one, since stars don't orbit us, so a failed analogy/example/correlation)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

The moon orbits earth dumbass, so does ISS.
and which doesn't have the same orbital pattern of the Moon (fail two).
 Quoting: IDW

You have utterly failed to explain what about the moon's orbit would cause it to not show field rotation when other orbiting objects like ISS DO show field rotation.

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Read my post again, this time S L O W L Y.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Your bullshit is still the same as the last time I read it.
astrobanner2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 01:14 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


You haven't backed your claim that field rotation affects the moon in the same way it does to a nonrotational orbital body such as a distant star. All you've ever done is provide a video of the ISS, which orbits the Earth (fail one, since stars don't orbit us, so a failed analogy/example/correlation)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

The moon orbits earth dumbass, so does ISS.
and which doesn't have the same orbital pattern of the Moon (fail two).
 Quoting: IDW

You have utterly failed to explain what about the moon's orbit would cause it to not show field rotation when other orbiting objects like ISS DO show field rotation.

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Read my post again, this time S L O W L Y.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Your bullshit is still the same as the last time I read it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 31516487
United States
01/08/2013 01:24 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Yes, it does. Field rotation happens regardless of whether you're looking at an orbiting object or not. That is why it happens to ISS just as it happens to the moon, it happens any time you are tracking an object by moving in more than one axis. This shows you have a severe, fundamental misunderstanding of what field rotation is and why it happens.
The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon!
 Quoting: IDW

Again, ISS orbits the earth far faster and in a far less sidereal manner than the moon, so if your claim that the moon should not show field rotation due to the fact that orbits the earth (unlike the background stars) was valid then using ISS as an example would be generous to that claim.
C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!
 Quoting: IDW

It is you who fail to understand the concepts, and you will continue to fail for the rest of your life as long as you refuse to put down that massive ego that makes you think you can "teach" me about it. I know far more about this than you, that much is clear. I've explained it to you and shown you proof that I'm right over and over. Rather than learn anything you've chosen steadfast ignorance, and now I find out that the truth doesn't even matter to you. You've admitted that you know less about it than me on a technical level, you're just here to try to "pound people" emotionally and to troll them. I guess that's what you do to try to feel better about yourself and your inferior intellect. You sit here and beat your chest all day long and boast of a superior intellect as compensation for your inability to grasp these subjects.
Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it.
 Quoting: IDW

You're the one with the claim that the moon's orbit would somehow cause it to not show field rotation while other orbiting objects such as ISS do (despite having a far less sidereal rate of motion in the sky). It's up to you to prove that's true and explain why. Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.

Last Edited by Dr. Astro on 01/08/2013 01:25 PM
astrobanner2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 01:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Yes, it does. Field rotation happens regardless of whether you're looking at an orbiting object or not. That is why it happens to ISS just as it happens to the moon, it happens any time you are tracking an object by moving in more than one axis. This shows you have a severe, fundamental misunderstanding of what field rotation is and why it happens.
The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon!
 Quoting: IDW

Again, ISS orbits the earth far faster and in a far less sidereal manner than the moon, so if your claim that the moon should not show field rotation due to the fact that orbits the earth (unlike the background stars) was valid then using ISS as an example would be generous to that claim.
C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!
 Quoting: IDW

It is you who fail to understand the concepts, and you will continue to fail for the rest of your life as long as you refuse to put down that massive ego that makes you think you can "teach" me about it. I know far more about this than you, that much is clear. I've explained it to you and shown you proof that I'm right over and over. Rather than learn anything you've chosen steadfast ignorance, and now I find out that the truth doesn't even matter to you. You've admitted that you know less about it than me on a technical level, you're just here to try to "pound people" emotionally and to troll them. I guess that's what you do to try to feel better about yourself and your inferior intellect. You sit here and beat your chest all day long and boast of a superior intellect as compensation for your inability to grasp these subjects.
Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it.
 Quoting: IDW

You're the one with the claim that the moon's orbit would somehow cause it to not show field rotation while other orbiting objects such as ISS do (despite having a far less sidereal rate of motion in the sky). It's up to you to prove that's true and explain why. Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So let me ask you a question here, does field rotation matter to the same degree which we see in a telescope as that which we see by the human eye? I culda done swore that when the Moon, which is infinitely more closer to us than those distant far beyond twinkler thingies up in da sky, moves about in our sky, why I can just shift myself and my eye to follow it? Nah, that's just simple ign'ant talk!
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 01:46 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Yes, it does. Field rotation happens regardless of whether you're looking at an orbiting object or not. That is why it happens to ISS just as it happens to the moon, it happens any time you are tracking an object by moving in more than one axis. This shows you have a severe, fundamental misunderstanding of what field rotation is and why it happens.
The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon!
 Quoting: IDW

Again, ISS orbits the earth far faster and in a far less sidereal manner than the moon, so if your claim that the moon should not show field rotation due to the fact that orbits the earth (unlike the background stars) was valid then using ISS as an example would be generous to that claim.
C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!
 Quoting: IDW

It is you who fail to understand the concepts, and you will continue to fail for the rest of your life as long as you refuse to put down that massive ego that makes you think you can "teach" me about it. I know far more about this than you, that much is clear. I've explained it to you and shown you proof that I'm right over and over. Rather than learn anything you've chosen steadfast ignorance, and now I find out that the truth doesn't even matter to you. You've admitted that you know less about it than me on a technical level, you're just here to try to "pound people" emotionally and to troll them. I guess that's what you do to try to feel better about yourself and your inferior intellect. You sit here and beat your chest all day long and boast of a superior intellect as compensation for your inability to grasp these subjects.
Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it.
 Quoting: IDW

You're the one with the claim that the moon's orbit would somehow cause it to not show field rotation while other orbiting objects such as ISS do (despite having a far less sidereal rate of motion in the sky). It's up to you to prove that's true and explain why. Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So let me ask you a question here, does field rotation matter to the same degree which we see in a telescope as that which we see by the human eye? I culda done swore that when the Moon, which is infinitely more closer to us than those distant far beyond twinkler thingies up in da sky, moves about in our sky, why I can just shift myself and my eye to follow it? Nah, that's just simple ign'ant talk!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You once again show your own complete ignorance on the subject. Field rotation in an altitude-azimuth telescope is exactly the same as it is by eye. When you shift yourself and your eye to follow the moon you are doing so in an altitude-azimuth manner; looking up, down, left, or right. It is fundamentally the same as that of an altitude-azimuth telescope and as such it is subject to just as much field rotation.
astrobanner2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 01:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Yes, it does. Field rotation happens regardless of whether you're looking at an orbiting object or not. That is why it happens to ISS just as it happens to the moon, it happens any time you are tracking an object by moving in more than one axis. This shows you have a severe, fundamental misunderstanding of what field rotation is and why it happens.
The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon!
 Quoting: IDW

Again, ISS orbits the earth far faster and in a far less sidereal manner than the moon, so if your claim that the moon should not show field rotation due to the fact that orbits the earth (unlike the background stars) was valid then using ISS as an example would be generous to that claim.
C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!
 Quoting: IDW

It is you who fail to understand the concepts, and you will continue to fail for the rest of your life as long as you refuse to put down that massive ego that makes you think you can "teach" me about it. I know far more about this than you, that much is clear. I've explained it to you and shown you proof that I'm right over and over. Rather than learn anything you've chosen steadfast ignorance, and now I find out that the truth doesn't even matter to you. You've admitted that you know less about it than me on a technical level, you're just here to try to "pound people" emotionally and to troll them. I guess that's what you do to try to feel better about yourself and your inferior intellect. You sit here and beat your chest all day long and boast of a superior intellect as compensation for your inability to grasp these subjects.
Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it.
 Quoting: IDW

You're the one with the claim that the moon's orbit would somehow cause it to not show field rotation while other orbiting objects such as ISS do (despite having a far less sidereal rate of motion in the sky). It's up to you to prove that's true and explain why. Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So let me ask you a question here, does field rotation matter to the same degree which we see in a telescope as that which we see by the human eye? I culda done swore that when the Moon, which is infinitely more closer to us than those distant far beyond twinkler thingies up in da sky, moves about in our sky, why I can just shift myself and my eye to follow it? Nah, that's just simple ign'ant talk!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You once again show your own complete ignorance on the subject. Field rotation in an altitude-azimuth telescope is exactly the same as it is by eye. When you shift yourself and your eye to follow the moon you are doing so in an altitude-azimuth manner; looking up, down, left, or right. It is fundamentally the same as that of an altitude-azimuth telescope and as such it is subject to just as much field rotation.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay, then further indulge me as a kindergarten teacher would a child learning for the first time, okay?

Does the term Azimuth apply only to stars or to the moon also?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 22826717
United States
01/08/2013 01:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...

The moon orbits earth dumbass, so does ISS.
...

You have utterly failed to explain what about the moon's orbit would cause it to not show field rotation when other orbiting objects like ISS DO show field rotation.

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Read my post again, this time S L O W L Y.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Your bullshit is still the same as the last time I read it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Read my post again, this time S L O W L Y.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Your bullshit is still the same as the last time I read it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17989851
United States
01/08/2013 02:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane


And something else that I've mentioned before, worth mentioning again with an additional clarification, is that we also see annular eclipses of the moon in front of the sun which no longer give us a complete solar eclipse, which is something new for us in recent geological terms, just in fact in the last few years, 5 at least, and certainly no more than 10.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


List of solar eclipses of the 20th century.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Note that there were quite a few annular ones happening more than 10 years ago.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31760125
Canada
01/08/2013 02:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
Thread: HEAVY VIBRATION/BUZZ IN CASCADE MOUNTAINS BC.......
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:05 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane


And something else that I've mentioned before, worth mentioning again with an additional clarification, is that we also see annular eclipses of the moon in front of the sun which no longer give us a complete solar eclipse, which is something new for us in recent geological terms, just in fact in the last few years, 5 at least, and certainly no more than 10.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


List of solar eclipses of the 20th century.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Note that there were quite a few annular ones happening more than 10 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


Please don't use Wiki and think you have a legitimate leg to limp on, k?

No one living today, who is of the age of near 40 or more ever remembers an annular eclipse as ever happening before. Period. End.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 22826717
United States
01/08/2013 02:05 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Your bullshit is still the same as the last time I read it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Actually, man, strike my last comment.

Keep posting.

It's entertaining and mystifying all at once!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:07 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane


Thanks, I've been hearing a certain buzz too where I'm at. Let me look into this more and get back with you.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Actually, man, strike my last comment.

Keep posting.

It's entertaining and mystifying all at once!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


NP, will do.

Here it is again, I hope to get more FB, positive/negative, it's all ok to me.



So anyway, let's bring some more truth out about the Moon, shall we? Heck, why not, that's the point of this thread.

I've already laid lots of groundwork to understanding what's going on with the moon, and without this fundamental grasp of the basics, none of this will make any sense to those in traditionally flawed academia thinking.

To just provide a very short recount of those fundamentals:
The Earth has an iron core/The moon does not
The moon orbits the earth being held in said orbit not because of gravity but because of the EM forces, forces that are directly powered by the sun.

While my initial opening post like my thread title drew attention to one certain mechanism in play that brings on our viewable tilt of the moon (being subjected to the high concentrations of energy found in the center plane of our galaxy) which is a direct influence...

Still we mustn't also forget the indirect, secondary cause (if that's an accurate way to describe it, maybe, maybe not) also that brings about a tilting of the moon and that is:

"The almost highly erratic variable magnetic shifting of the Earth"

Thread: 2 Simple reasons why the moon is off

Because even though the moon doesn't have the same iron core as the Earth to be subjected the same way to the galactic plane's extreme amounts of magnetic energy, it's still locked in place to the magnetic field of Earth, so when the Earth's magnetic poles are moving so fast historically nowadays, the moon gets pulled a little more this way and than that way, compared to what it's used to doing. And no one would notice unless, like me, they are used to gazing at the moon and have the experience to know what the usual face of the moon looks like.

And something else that I've mentioned before, worth mentioning again with an additional clarification, is that we also see annular eclipses of the moon in front of the sun which no longer give us a complete solar eclipse, which is something new for us in recent geological terms, just in fact in the last few years, 5 at least, and certainly no more than 10.

Because the Earth travels around the sun in an elliptical orbit, which even mainstream science tells us, because they do tell us that the northern hemisphere, for instance, experiences winter because of its tilt, even though it is in fact closer to the sun during that time.

But as our dear solar system enters this area of intense EM forces and the sun's own EM polarities become increasingly more intense and subjected to irregularities, the Earth can in fact be speeding up as it goes around the sun, providing an even more elongated elliptical orbit. Of course our days can be the same since the speed increases as the orbital path increases, so that it equals out. But in so doing, the moon also has to play a sort of catch-up game with the faster moving Earth, so that we get a much more elliptical path of the Moon too. This means annular eclipses.

Make sense? To some I hope.
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 02:13 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...

Yes, it does. Field rotation happens regardless of whether you're looking at an orbiting object or not. That is why it happens to ISS just as it happens to the moon, it happens any time you are tracking an object by moving in more than one axis. This shows you have a severe, fundamental misunderstanding of what field rotation is and why it happens.
...

Again, ISS orbits the earth far faster and in a far less sidereal manner than the moon, so if your claim that the moon should not show field rotation due to the fact that orbits the earth (unlike the background stars) was valid then using ISS as an example would be generous to that claim.
...

It is you who fail to understand the concepts, and you will continue to fail for the rest of your life as long as you refuse to put down that massive ego that makes you think you can "teach" me about it. I know far more about this than you, that much is clear. I've explained it to you and shown you proof that I'm right over and over. Rather than learn anything you've chosen steadfast ignorance, and now I find out that the truth doesn't even matter to you. You've admitted that you know less about it than me on a technical level, you're just here to try to "pound people" emotionally and to troll them. I guess that's what you do to try to feel better about yourself and your inferior intellect. You sit here and beat your chest all day long and boast of a superior intellect as compensation for your inability to grasp these subjects.
...

You're the one with the claim that the moon's orbit would somehow cause it to not show field rotation while other orbiting objects such as ISS do (despite having a far less sidereal rate of motion in the sky). It's up to you to prove that's true and explain why. Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So let me ask you a question here, does field rotation matter to the same degree which we see in a telescope as that which we see by the human eye? I culda done swore that when the Moon, which is infinitely more closer to us than those distant far beyond twinkler thingies up in da sky, moves about in our sky, why I can just shift myself and my eye to follow it? Nah, that's just simple ign'ant talk!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You once again show your own complete ignorance on the subject. Field rotation in an altitude-azimuth telescope is exactly the same as it is by eye. When you shift yourself and your eye to follow the moon you are doing so in an altitude-azimuth manner; looking up, down, left, or right. It is fundamentally the same as that of an altitude-azimuth telescope and as such it is subject to just as much field rotation.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay, then further indulge me as a kindergarten teacher would a child learning for the first time, okay?

Does the term Azimuth apply only to stars or to the moon also?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


It applies to anything you can see in the sky, including the moon. You've already admitted your true intentions, so if you think I'm going to be patient with you the way a kindergarten teacher would, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
astrobanner2
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 02:14 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Your bullshit is still the same as the last time I read it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


IDW, your paranoia knows no bounds. That's not a "puppet," it's just another random poster and it confirms what I've been saying.
astrobanner2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


So let me ask you a question here, does field rotation matter to the same degree which we see in a telescope as that which we see by the human eye? I culda done swore that when the Moon, which is infinitely more closer to us than those distant far beyond twinkler thingies up in da sky, moves about in our sky, why I can just shift myself and my eye to follow it? Nah, that's just simple ign'ant talk!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You once again show your own complete ignorance on the subject. Field rotation in an altitude-azimuth telescope is exactly the same as it is by eye. When you shift yourself and your eye to follow the moon you are doing so in an altitude-azimuth manner; looking up, down, left, or right. It is fundamentally the same as that of an altitude-azimuth telescope and as such it is subject to just as much field rotation.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay, then further indulge me as a kindergarten teacher would a child learning for the first time, okay?

Does the term Azimuth apply only to stars or to the moon also?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


It applies to anything you can see in the sky, including the moon. You've already admitted your true intentions, so if you think I'm going to be patient with you the way a kindergarten teacher would, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well maybe you can be patient with me just one more time? What are the disadvantages of such an altitude-azimuth telescope compared to an equatorial mount?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Okay I'll try and write slowly and more simply for you this time, so that you can grasp it.

The moon orbits the earth. The stars (subjected to field rotation) do not. Hence field rotation doesn't effect the orientation of the moon to the same degree as the stars, especially in the northern most and southern most equatorial regions of Earth, as others have so brilliantly mentioned.

The ISS yes orbits the Earth, but no where near in the same way as the Moon! C'mon man, I feel like a kindergarten teacher having to explain this to you!

Besides, you can't just make a claim and then tell ME to disprove it. Your claim. Your burden of proof. As it is, you've failed at every attempt.

Looks like those technical details you thought I was trying to avoid are just too naturally easy for me, and I remind you before saying this, that you pressed me, but that I:

Win

You should do what you guys do Next: call in reinforcements/your next pinch hitter. If you don't you'll just be made to look like more of a fool you know. Just trying to help you, not laughing at you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


IDW, your paranoia knows no bounds. That's not a "puppet," it's just another random poster and it confirms what I've been saying.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm flattered you call me him, but you're way behind the times. Even his illustrious followers have discontinued that argument. I haven't nearly the same technical proficiency in astronomical matters as he does. If I did, you could be sure I'd use them, and not ask you these questions, correct?
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 02:28 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...

You once again show your own complete ignorance on the subject. Field rotation in an altitude-azimuth telescope is exactly the same as it is by eye. When you shift yourself and your eye to follow the moon you are doing so in an altitude-azimuth manner; looking up, down, left, or right. It is fundamentally the same as that of an altitude-azimuth telescope and as such it is subject to just as much field rotation.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay, then further indulge me as a kindergarten teacher would a child learning for the first time, okay?

Does the term Azimuth apply only to stars or to the moon also?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


It applies to anything you can see in the sky, including the moon. You've already admitted your true intentions, so if you think I'm going to be patient with you the way a kindergarten teacher would, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well maybe you can be patient with me just one more time? What are the disadvantages of such an altitude-azimuth telescope compared to an equatorial mount?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Field rotation and increased periodic error (two axis tracking so two axes contribute error) are the primary disadvantages. It also requires either manual effort to track the sky or a computerized system. A simple mechanical clock drive can be used with an equatorial mount.
astrobanner2
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 02:31 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Bro, you really should stop posting.
Astro has answered your questions, and you've made yourself look like a complete and utter fool.

It's embarassing to see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22826717


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


IDW, your paranoia knows no bounds. That's not a "puppet," it's just another random poster and it confirms what I've been saying.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm flattered you call me him, but you're way behind the times. Even his illustrious followers have discontinued that argument. I haven't nearly the same technical proficiency in astronomical matters as he does. If I did, you could be sure I'd use them, and not ask you these questions, correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You are, oh sorry, "IDW" is anything but proficient at astronomy. I never assumed you were asking these questions honestly though, I figure you think you have a point you're trying to "guide" me to which in reality will be just another failed attempt to make a point. If not then I guess I over-estimated you.
astrobanner2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


Okay, then further indulge me as a kindergarten teacher would a child learning for the first time, okay?

Does the term Azimuth apply only to stars or to the moon also?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


It applies to anything you can see in the sky, including the moon. You've already admitted your true intentions, so if you think I'm going to be patient with you the way a kindergarten teacher would, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well maybe you can be patient with me just one more time? What are the disadvantages of such an altitude-azimuth telescope compared to an equatorial mount?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Field rotation and increased periodic error (two axis tracking so two axes contribute error) are the primary disadvantages. It also requires either manual effort to track the sky or a computerized system. A simple mechanical clock drive can be used with an equatorial mount.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


That seems to be a lot of error, doesn't it? Error that a person has to fix personally? That's the easiest, or this fancy computerized system you say? Imagine that, a fancy computer to get rid of all that error, which we do easily enough by ourselves naturally when we look at the moon.

Unless I'm wrong, and then I'm sure you'll be ever so gracious to correct my misunderstandings.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


And there's the first puppet to appear on the stage! Thanks, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


IDW, your paranoia knows no bounds. That's not a "puppet," it's just another random poster and it confirms what I've been saying.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm flattered you call me him, but you're way behind the times. Even his illustrious followers have discontinued that argument. I haven't nearly the same technical proficiency in astronomical matters as he does. If I did, you could be sure I'd use them, and not ask you these questions, correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You are, oh sorry, "IDW" is anything but proficient at astronomy. I never assumed you were asking these questions honestly though, I figure you think you have a point you're trying to "guide" me to which in reality will be just another failed attempt to make a point. If not then I guess I over-estimated you.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I think you wrongly did overestimate me.
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 02:45 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
That seems to be a lot of error, doesn't it? Error that a person has to fix personally?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

A casual observer or a planetary observer usually doesn't care about either field rotation or periodic error (do you even know what the latter is?) so there's usually no effort to fix it. That is why idiots seize on videos and pictures of the moon or one of the planets being "tilted" and post it as evidence of an actual tilt rather than the result of field rotation.
That's the easiest, or this fancy computerized system you say? Imagine that, a fancy computer to get rid of all that error, which we do easily enough by ourselves naturally when we look at the moon.
 Quoting: IDW

It's like you're not even reading my posts. The view you see by eye is the same as the view you see in an altitude-azimuth telescope, so no, "naturally looking at the moon" does not fix field rotation. Periodic error is meaningless at that point, that's a tangent anyway; YOU asked for the various disadvantages of an altitude-azimuth mount so I told you. Those are the disadvantages compared to an equatorial mount which is how you fix those problems, not compared to a "natural naked eye" view. Both the naked eye view and the telescope's altitude-azimuth view suffer from field rotation.

Last Edited by Dr. Astro on 01/08/2013 02:46 PM
astrobanner2
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 02:47 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


IDW, your paranoia knows no bounds. That's not a "puppet," it's just another random poster and it confirms what I've been saying.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm flattered you call me him, but you're way behind the times. Even his illustrious followers have discontinued that argument. I haven't nearly the same technical proficiency in astronomical matters as he does. If I did, you could be sure I'd use them, and not ask you these questions, correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You are, oh sorry, "IDW" is anything but proficient at astronomy. I never assumed you were asking these questions honestly though, I figure you think you have a point you're trying to "guide" me to which in reality will be just another failed attempt to make a point. If not then I guess I over-estimated you.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I think you wrongly did overestimate me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Judging by your previous post I had you pegged right. You were trying to lead up to a failed point that somehow these problems would all be fixed by just viewing the sky naked eye. Field rotation still applies, it's still an altitude-azimuth type of view, just not a mechanized one.
astrobanner2
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31757050
Korea, Republic of
01/08/2013 02:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
...


I'm flattered you call me him, but you're way behind the times. Even his illustrious followers have discontinued that argument. I haven't nearly the same technical proficiency in astronomical matters as he does. If I did, you could be sure I'd use them, and not ask you these questions, correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

You are, oh sorry, "IDW" is anything but proficient at astronomy. I never assumed you were asking these questions honestly though, I figure you think you have a point you're trying to "guide" me to which in reality will be just another failed attempt to make a point. If not then I guess I over-estimated you.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I think you wrongly did overestimate me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050


Judging by your previous post I had you pegged right. You were trying to lead up to a failed point that somehow these problems would all be fixed by just viewing the sky naked eye. Field rotation still applies, it's still an altitude-azimuth type of view, just not a mechanized one.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


And yet the moon used to have the same face night after night, and only would appear to us differently via libration ever so slightly during the course of the month, but now:

BAAM!

It can have an entirely different view to us in the night sky, in the exact same position in the sky, from one month to the next?

Theories are only as good if they correlate to actual observed phenomenon. So you might know a thing or two more than me about looking at the moon in a telescope. I still see what I've seen. As have others.

It's like you're telling me the sun isn't brighter. Or that that sky has never been a deeper blue. It's still bullshit.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31760125
Canada
01/08/2013 02:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
I started this thread on december 20 2012....

because of the blue sphere beside the moon....

I agree with you OP, it looks like cosmic energy is blowing over the backside of the moon......

never in my 45 years on this earth have I seen blue beside the moon for 2 weeks straight...dec 20 to jan 4.....

I am a tug boat Captain and watch the moon a lot ....yes I can see it with the naked eye...no need for telescope
here.

Thread: BLUE KACHINA IS HIDING BEHIND THE MOON...GO OUTSIDE AND LOOK
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 03:00 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
And yet the moon used to have the same face night after night, and only would appear to us differently via libration ever so slightly during the course of the month, but now:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Oh really? Wrong:

Field rotation has always applied to the moon.
astrobanner2
Dr. AstroModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 4211721
United States
01/08/2013 03:01 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
And yet the moon used to have the same face night after night, and only would appear to us differently via libration ever so slightly during the course of the month, but now:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31757050

Oh really? Wrong:

Field rotation has always applied to the moon.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


headshot
astrobanner2
Halcyon Dayz, FCD
Contrarian's Contrarian

User ID: 31033756
Netherlands
01/08/2013 03:06 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
The Interdemential DimWit has jumped on the no-field-rotation bandwagon?

But there are only trolls up there.
book
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.