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The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane

 
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I don't know why you can't still See what I write. Again First Links don't cut it. If you can't write in your own words means you don't understand.
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I've written in my own words and you ignored it. It was a page back now. Here it is again. You provided evidence to refute a total of NONE of this before. Pay attention to the part I've bolded.

The Earth has NOT tilted any more than it always has. The north star is still where it is supposed to be as are all the others. If there were some anomalous tilt they would not be. The APPARENT tilt of the Moon is a trick of perspective. EVERYTHING in the sky appears to tilt throughout the night. The Moon APPEARS tilted to the left when it rises and you are looking East. Then it is upright when high in the sky and you are looking South and then appears tilted to the right when it sets and you are looking West. At no time did the Moon or the Earth actually tilt. YOU turned while looking at it. How do we know it is only an apparent tilt? Because at the same time you see it tilted to the right and setting, someone on the other side of the world sees it tilted to the left and rising. Both can't be true. neither are. At all times the North pole of the moon is still pointed north.

Think about it logically, if you are looking South at the moon high in the sky, the Moon should be upright because the North pole is pointing North. If you are looking West at the Moon setting, which direction is North? It is now on your right, so should the Moon still appear upright? No of course not. It will appear tilted so the North pole still points North but it hasn't actually turned, nor has the Earth. YOU did. You were looking South, now West.


Second, the tilting of the Crescent was never before so often seen during all seasons, and now that it is, it's a common occurrence that FR properly explains? I don't think so.
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Yes it was. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Ah darn, back to the same Boring verbage yet again. Oh well This is certainly the best some can do, would take a Lot of energy for the dull to try and rise above their own Predicament, save but for Moments.

Yes, AGAIN! I've read your words and the same words countless of times elsewhere, ad nauseum. I'm not sure why you can't understand. To you too:

THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM

See comments above to Lady Boy for Further explanation, if you can find your way about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


the fundamental problem is you don't understand what you're talking about. EVERYTHING is still in the correct place. YOU haven't proven otherwise. Just because you don't understand it doens't mean it isn't true. I've yet to see you show that you understand field rotation AT ALL. If you're going to TRY to say that what is being seen is not field rotation (despite all the proof otherwise and no complaining from those that do understand it all) then it would help if you understood it first.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


That's all you can Do? Is hand waving on an on about FR all you have? That's all they Give you I imagine. Still you can't address the main problem, so you too can't Navigate, Read, or Think.

No matter how many times you say I don't Understand, I do. You Don't, so you might want to at some point save Face. But that's on you, it's pretty funny to me, albeit in a tragic sort of way!
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More 3:

12/21/12

1+2/2+1/1+2

3/3/3

March as the Favorite Month of the Skull and Bones, 3rd month.

Jesus the Sun was in the Earth for 3 days and 3 Nights. Will the 3 days of Darkness actually occur? Very Likely, as the Earth will also do all in her power to Shield herself from the lashing of Moby Dick's great tail.

But if there ever existed a Misnomer in the human vocabulary it is the very word they ascribe to themselves, Illuminati! Save THEY know about what matters Most: the increasing illumination of the Sun as we approach Galactic Center, even though they are most in Dark than Anyone perhaps.

I'm soon going on a Fast of Meditation for the next 3 days, before the weekend when we have but 2 months until our Fate converges. Whether I come back with any more Insight, I don't know. I hope so.
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Numerology now? Now I know you're either a troll or an idiot. Take your pick. When absolutely nothing happens on that date will you admit you were wrong or just disappear? Or will you move on to the next supposed date of doom?
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Name calling with Troll and Idiot, taking more Ques from your Book of Trying to counteract the Truth getting out. But not successfully. Can you think of a better Avenue, that you've failed many a time?

There is no Wrong in my Belief, just as there will be no Internet soon to even offer an apology if I were to be. But as The Joker's Pencil disappeared into the Eye of his enemy, so shall you have disappeared!
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I find it interesting how facts about the moons tilt is paired with other opinions, be it galactic alignment or the calculated extra gravitational partner of our Sun, and how easy it's dismissed because of one or the other.
What about the Moon? Do your self a favor, Address the issue without theory or hypothesis that leave you susceptible to "Reductio ad absurdum".
Instead of trolling, try and think about "Why people insist that the moon has changed".
11:11 may have shot himself in the foot but he can still hop along a valid, though unexplained, issue.
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.....annular eclipses, which Never happened before a few years ago when the Moon did not cover the Sun in its Entirety during a Solar Eclipse.
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Of course they did - It's a matter of record, look it up.

This one statement proves conclusively that either.
A) You haven't got a clue
B) You're deliberately lying

Enough!
Fool, or Troll - take your pick.
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I've written in my own words and you ignored it. It was a page back now. Here it is again. You provided evidence to refute a total of NONE of this before. Pay attention to the part I've bolded.

The Earth has NOT tilted any more than it always has. The north star is still where it is supposed to be as are all the others. If there were some anomalous tilt they would not be. The APPARENT tilt of the Moon is a trick of perspective. EVERYTHING in the sky appears to tilt throughout the night. The Moon APPEARS tilted to the left when it rises and you are looking East. Then it is upright when high in the sky and you are looking South and then appears tilted to the right when it sets and you are looking West. At no time did the Moon or the Earth actually tilt. YOU turned while looking at it. How do we know it is only an apparent tilt? Because at the same time you see it tilted to the right and setting, someone on the other side of the world sees it tilted to the left and rising. Both can't be true. neither are. At all times the North pole of the moon is still pointed north.

Think about it logically, if you are looking South at the moon high in the sky, the Moon should be upright because the North pole is pointing North. If you are looking West at the Moon setting, which direction is North? It is now on your right, so should the Moon still appear upright? No of course not. It will appear tilted so the North pole still points North but it hasn't actually turned, nor has the Earth. YOU did. You were looking South, now West.


...

Yes it was. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Ah darn, back to the same Boring verbage yet again. Oh well This is certainly the best some can do, would take a Lot of energy for the dull to try and rise above their own Predicament, save but for Moments.

Yes, AGAIN! I've read your words and the same words countless of times elsewhere, ad nauseum. I'm not sure why you can't understand. To you too:

THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM

See comments above to Lady Boy for Further explanation, if you can find your way about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


the fundamental problem is you don't understand what you're talking about. EVERYTHING is still in the correct place. YOU haven't proven otherwise. Just because you don't understand it doens't mean it isn't true. I've yet to see you show that you understand field rotation AT ALL. If you're going to TRY to say that what is being seen is not field rotation (despite all the proof otherwise and no complaining from those that do understand it all) then it would help if you understood it first.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


That's all you can Do? Is hand waving on an on about FR all you have? That's all they Give you I imagine. Still you can't address the main problem, so you too can't Navigate, Read, or Think.

No matter how many times you say I don't Understand, I do. You Don't, so you might want to at some point save Face. But that's on you, it's pretty funny to me, albeit in a tragic sort of way!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


Who is "they"? You really think there is some conspiracy trying to hide the "truth" from you? Hah! You're funny!

I STILL have yet to see ANY proof from you. YOU claim the tilt is more than normal or at odd times. YOU need to prove it. YOU have so far failed to even try.

Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.

Last Edited by LHP598 on 10/17/2012 10:49 AM
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More 3:

12/21/12

1+2/2+1/1+2

3/3/3

March as the Favorite Month of the Skull and Bones, 3rd month.

Jesus the Sun was in the Earth for 3 days and 3 Nights. Will the 3 days of Darkness actually occur? Very Likely, as the Earth will also do all in her power to Shield herself from the lashing of Moby Dick's great tail.

But if there ever existed a Misnomer in the human vocabulary it is the very word they ascribe to themselves, Illuminati! Save THEY know about what matters Most: the increasing illumination of the Sun as we approach Galactic Center, even though they are most in Dark than Anyone perhaps.

I'm soon going on a Fast of Meditation for the next 3 days, before the weekend when we have but 2 months until our Fate converges. Whether I come back with any more Insight, I don't know. I hope so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


Numerology now? Now I know you're either a troll or an idiot. Take your pick. When absolutely nothing happens on that date will you admit you were wrong or just disappear? Or will you move on to the next supposed date of doom?
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Name calling with Troll and Idiot, taking more Ques from your Book of Trying to counteract the Truth getting out. But not successfully. Can you think of a better Avenue, that you've failed many a time?

There is no Wrong in my Belief, just as there will be no Internet soon to even offer an apology if I were to be. But as The Joker's Pencil disappeared into the Eye of his enemy, so shall you have disappeared!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


What truth? You have offered NOTHING except some playing with numbers. But I'll take your challenge. I'll bookmark this thread and see if you show up on 12-22-12. I doubt you will. I'm sure you'll just slink away to reappear as if nothing is different for the next false doomsday.

Last Edited by LHP598 on 10/17/2012 10:59 AM
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I find it interesting how facts about the moons tilt is paired with other opinions, be it galactic alignment or the calculated extra gravitational partner of our Sun, and how easy it's dismissed because of one or the other.
What about the Moon? Do your self a favor, Address the issue without theory or hypothesis that leave you susceptible to "Reductio ad absurdum".
Instead of trolling, try and think about "Why people insist that the moon has changed".
11:11 may have shot himself in the foot but he can still hop along a valid, though unexplained, issue.
 Quoting: abitaskew


While I understand the crux of your point, I tend not to agree with most of it, because (first) everything is tied in together when we take even just one matter at hand, especially when all the assumptions and presuppositions of the Arguers come into play. And second, well it's my thread after all and seems like better to only hog one thread than keep starting new ones, so that the Admins if they tire of seeing me, only have to see one of Me, when I share other Insights that come to mind which may or may not tie in directly into the subject matter I first started, but hopefully which someone might still find nonetheless interesting.

Like such insight that I will share soon, since I am finished with my 3 day of Meditative Fasting. Let me see what else others have posted first.

Oh and I don't know from your post who 11:11 is, and I also don't know why you mentioned a companion to our Sun, if this is an attempt to bring in to People's minds the fictitious Planet X or Nibiru or cast my idea as having the same such merit as this. I hope not, because this would be a grave injustice IMO. In any case, if there is a companion Star to our own Sol, I would suspect it's Jupiter if any.
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In our EU, the usual nearer and stronger EM forces of the sun keep us oriented--usually.

However as we approach galactic center, the forces there are so strong that we tilt even moreso sometimes (given whatever conditions we pass through at any given time), giving that mushroom smoking Cat like grin to the moon we witness, sometimes, even out of season.

Not to mention the polar disarray the sun is also going through not only with its own solar cycles (of which are bad enough), but--again--approaching galactic center.

These are signs of our impending pole shift.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292

Your post is based on the proposition, that our solar system will cross the galactic plane in the near future.

This proposition is simply wrong:
Our solar system crossed the galactic plane about 3 million years ago and we are now about 27 +/- 4 pc above the plane, moving further away.

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

or something more readable: [link to earthsky.org]

That's why your whole post is baseless.

If you think, I am wrong, prove me wrong.
But provide scientific papers and not the thousend times copied YouTube videos or the babble from end time webpages.

Btw: this shit was debunked countless times before - thus again:




.
 Quoting: Hydra


You wrongfully assume that you are provided accurate data. This is not only naive but simply put again, wrong. I have the firmest impression that you are still living in the matrix, believing everything that comes across your retina as true. Think for yourself. You'd be surprised. Or in your case, Not.
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YOU making the case that only YOU can discern the TRUTH is equally implausible using that thinking process.

Using that argument makes ALL available data questionable including WHATEVER asshole you pulled YOURS out of.
"Everybody lies."
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.....annular eclipses, which Never happened before a few years ago when the Moon did not cover the Sun in its Entirety during a Solar Eclipse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292

Of course they did - It's a matter of record, look it up.

This one statement proves conclusively that either.
A) You haven't got a clue
B) You're deliberately lying

Enough!
Fool, or Troll - take your pick.
 Quoting: Karlos


EcleKtic Karlos? That's fine. To the one point you picked out, out of my many, that's still a good one. It's funny that while they may exist on Electronic Record, no one remembers their having ever occurred. (Reminds me of how they Changed the E-Record of having not the Chinaman run down by the Awful tank, even though it did indeed happen that way. Uh Oh another tangent!) Always a full solar eclipse has taken up the Full View of the Sun, leaving us only the corona visible.

Bigger Sun
or
More eccentric Orbit

Take your pick.

Glad you still are Name Calling. Because I'm more polite than you, I shall just call you Kathy from now on.
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Ah darn, back to the same Boring verbage yet again. Oh well This is certainly the best some can do, would take a Lot of energy for the dull to try and rise above their own Predicament, save but for Moments.

Yes, AGAIN! I've read your words and the same words countless of times elsewhere, ad nauseum. I'm not sure why you can't understand. To you too:

THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM

See comments above to Lady Boy for Further explanation, if you can find your way about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


the fundamental problem is you don't understand what you're talking about. EVERYTHING is still in the correct place. YOU haven't proven otherwise. Just because you don't understand it doens't mean it isn't true. I've yet to see you show that you understand field rotation AT ALL. If you're going to TRY to say that what is being seen is not field rotation (despite all the proof otherwise and no complaining from those that do understand it all) then it would help if you understood it first.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


That's all you can Do? Is hand waving on an on about FR all you have? That's all they Give you I imagine. Still you can't address the main problem, so you too can't Navigate, Read, or Think.

No matter how many times you say I don't Understand, I do. You Don't, so you might want to at some point save Face. But that's on you, it's pretty funny to me, albeit in a tragic sort of way!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


Who is "they"? You really think there is some conspiracy trying to hide the "truth" from you? Hah! You're funny!

I STILL have yet to see ANY proof from you. YOU claim the tilt is more than normal or at odd times. YOU need to prove it. YOU have so far failed to even try.

Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Of course there's a Conspiracy afoot, Weasel, and this is such a board, in case you forgot! THEY (TPTB) don't want us to know the truth, what they're doing to us, or what our real situation is, and certainly Not where we are heading, which I've already herein described to no small letter, tyvm. You're welcome.

As far as Proof goes, I've seen lots of Proof given, and I even supplied one in a Thread about two years ago now, showing a picture of the moon high in the sky from the Northern Hemisphere compared to same moon more than a Decade ago, and it wasn't good enough for those who choose not to believe. Then it was that the first time that Libration was first given as an explanation by none other than John Lear, who was supposed to be an expert on the Moon. When that didn't work out, he and others came on Board and started spouting (the first time to my knowledge) that it was rather Field Rotation, but Never had Field Rotation been used to explain anything about the appearance of the Moon before. The only usual naturally occuring movement of the moon to the apparent eye-witness of a person as he stands in one spot over the course of the Month was Libration:



That's as much as the Moon USED to change orientation once upon the time in the Sky.

And so no Proof can be supplied to the full satisfaction of those on sites like these, Gatekeepers I'd say, who make it a point not only to have themselves not convinced, but take up lots of time and effort to guarantee that others also do not believe. Nor does our looking in the Sky offer good enough proof, just as it is not good enough for you for me to say the Sun has gotten Brighter, even though thousands lay testament to this utterly True and Accurate statement.
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More 3:

12/21/12

1+2/2+1/1+2

3/3/3

March as the Favorite Month of the Skull and Bones, 3rd month.

Jesus the Sun was in the Earth for 3 days and 3 Nights. Will the 3 days of Darkness actually occur? Very Likely, as the Earth will also do all in her power to Shield herself from the lashing of Moby Dick's great tail.

But if there ever existed a Misnomer in the human vocabulary it is the very word they ascribe to themselves, Illuminati! Save THEY know about what matters Most: the increasing illumination of the Sun as we approach Galactic Center, even though they are most in Dark than Anyone perhaps.

I'm soon going on a Fast of Meditation for the next 3 days, before the weekend when we have but 2 months until our Fate converges. Whether I come back with any more Insight, I don't know. I hope so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


Numerology now? Now I know you're either a troll or an idiot. Take your pick. When absolutely nothing happens on that date will you admit you were wrong or just disappear? Or will you move on to the next supposed date of doom?
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Name calling with Troll and Idiot, taking more Ques from your Book of Trying to counteract the Truth getting out. But not successfully. Can you think of a better Avenue, that you've failed many a time?

There is no Wrong in my Belief, just as there will be no Internet soon to even offer an apology if I were to be. But as The Joker's Pencil disappeared into the Eye of his enemy, so shall you have disappeared!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


What truth? You have offered NOTHING except some playing with numbers. But I'll take your challenge. I'll bookmark this thread and see if you show up on 12-22-12. I doubt you will. I'm sure you'll just slink away to reappear as if nothing is different for the next false doomsday.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


I look forward to It, but just as Batman's Butler took no pleasure in saying I told you So, so shall I not. Probably, but then again he still said it didn't he ha!

And stay tuned, because some more numerology might come.
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In our EU, the usual nearer and stronger EM forces of the sun keep us oriented--usually.

However as we approach galactic center, the forces there are so strong that we tilt even moreso sometimes (given whatever conditions we pass through at any given time), giving that mushroom smoking Cat like grin to the moon we witness, sometimes, even out of season.

Not to mention the polar disarray the sun is also going through not only with its own solar cycles (of which are bad enough), but--again--approaching galactic center.

These are signs of our impending pole shift.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292

Your post is based on the proposition, that our solar system will cross the galactic plane in the near future.

This proposition is simply wrong:
Our solar system crossed the galactic plane about 3 million years ago and we are now about 27 +/- 4 pc above the plane, moving further away.

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

or something more readable: [link to earthsky.org]

That's why your whole post is baseless.

If you think, I am wrong, prove me wrong.
But provide scientific papers and not the thousend times copied YouTube videos or the babble from end time webpages.

Btw: this shit was debunked countless times before - thus again:




.
 Quoting: Hydra


You wrongfully assume that you are provided accurate data. This is not only naive but simply put again, wrong. I have the firmest impression that you are still living in the matrix, believing everything that comes across your retina as true. Think for yourself. You'd be surprised. Or in your case, Not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


YOU making the case that only YOU can discern the TRUTH is equally implausible using that thinking process.

Using that argument makes ALL available data questionable including WHATEVER asshole you pulled YOURS out of.
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the fundamental problem is you don't understand what you're talking about. EVERYTHING is still in the correct place. YOU haven't proven otherwise. Just because you don't understand it doens't mean it isn't true. I've yet to see you show that you understand field rotation AT ALL. If you're going to TRY to say that what is being seen is not field rotation (despite all the proof otherwise and no complaining from those that do understand it all) then it would help if you understood it first.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


That's all you can Do? Is hand waving on an on about FR all you have? That's all they Give you I imagine. Still you can't address the main problem, so you too can't Navigate, Read, or Think.

No matter how many times you say I don't Understand, I do. You Don't, so you might want to at some point save Face. But that's on you, it's pretty funny to me, albeit in a tragic sort of way!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22569292


Who is "they"? You really think there is some conspiracy trying to hide the "truth" from you? Hah! You're funny!

I STILL have yet to see ANY proof from you. YOU claim the tilt is more than normal or at odd times. YOU need to prove it. YOU have so far failed to even try.

Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Of course there's a Conspiracy afoot, Weasel, and this is such a board, in case you forgot! THEY (TPTB) don't want us to know the truth, what they're doing to us, or what our real situation is, and certainly Not where we are heading, which I've already herein described to no small letter, tyvm. You're welcome.

As far as Proof goes, I've seen lots of Proof given, and I even supplied one in a Thread about two years ago now, showing a picture of the moon high in the sky from the Northern Hemisphere compared to same moon more than a Decade ago, and it wasn't good enough for those who choose not to believe. Then it was that the first time that Libration was first given as an explanation by none other than John Lear, who was supposed to be an expert on the Moon. When that didn't work out, he and others came on Board and started spouting (the first time to my knowledge) that it was rather Field Rotation, but Never had Field Rotation been used to explain anything about the appearance of the Moon before. The only usual naturally occuring movement of the moon to the apparent eye-witness of a person as he stands in one spot over the course of the Month was Libration:



That's as much as the Moon USED to change orientation once upon the time in the Sky.

And so no Proof can be supplied to the full satisfaction of those on sites like these, Gatekeepers I'd say, who make it a point not only to have themselves not convinced, but take up lots of time and effort to guarantee that others also do not believe. Nor does our looking in the Sky offer good enough proof, just as it is not good enough for you for me to say the Sun has gotten Brighter, even though thousands lay testament to this utterly True and Accurate statement.
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Libration has only been used by those who didn't understand what you were trying to say or didn't know themselves. It is the movement over a MONTH. Field rotation STILL explains the apparent nightly movement. It has ALWAYS been there. The ancient Egyptians knew about it. It is described in textbooks. And if you actually think about it, it makes sense.

You STILL have ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
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Re: The moon's crookedness is caused by our going toward the center of the galactic plane
Okay like I previously stated, I did Meditate for 3 days, locking myself up in my little Cube of a Place and didn't leave for the duration. As such I'm still a bit disoriented in my footing, and perhaps my thinking too, but I hope I can write plain enough, and certainly remember all that came to me during that time.

I'll just take it as it comes back to me, so forgive me if it's a little disjointed. I think I'll start with a little Planetary History. Now in so doing, you have to bear in Mind that this can be labeled all Conjecture, but I let you also remember that so is such real fictitious things like the Big Bang or the origins of our moon, or other planets. They really have no clue whatsoever, and I think are pitiful wrong on all accounts, and so mine, if also not true in the End probably hits the mark closer than any of theirs I'm willing to Bet.

The sky was much different back then, the further we go back in Time, if indeed time is linear, but in most likelihood is not. But let's say it is, and we go back Thousand upon thousands of years, if you were to look up at the sky then, your legs just might buckle from underneath you, so amazed at the sight that all your strength that you held dear from within would be sucked right out from you.

The Earth now is the 3rd Rock (another 3) from the Sun, but it wasn't always that way. It was likely the First planet for a while in orbit, while we had two suns in the sky. A big one and a small one, the small one being today what is our Main Sun actually. The big one was what we call Saturn, and it was so gloriously bright that we couldn't even notice the other Sun. At some point Venus came in as a comet from who knows where in deep space, with her long Red hair flowing from behind her as it entered our very close vicinity, so close was it that its tail hit our very much more expansive atmosphere then, and gave us a terrible sight to see with her fiery tail. (Notice too, that dragons are in every culture's mythos around the world) Now since our atmosphere was more expansive with elements like hydrogen and Oxygen, when the tail whipped into it, it changed much of that composition into Water, thus then showering us and deluging us with so much water. Check out the pictures of Venus and you'll see her long Fiery hair not only flowing around her, but much water behind her in the background. Now we have much more Water, perhaps responsible for the sinking of places like Atlantis, certainly many many places along the coastline or very near sea level.

Now this was only part of the calamity because she was also the Real Eve who enticed Adam to fall from God's Grace. And how did she accomplish this? She enticed her man Mars, who Turned into the God of War, following her to eat that Apple. There was probably a good number of cities and civilizations on Mars too, which would also be closer to the Second Bigger Sun, with lots of water, atmosphere, and a magnetic field to keep it all in. But he alas followed her and did make war against Saturn, and in so doing lost all he had, the populace, the air, and the magnetosphere. The Water is still there, but now just Ice covered with some Dust. Oh, and the Scars from such a Battle. Saturn was wounded greatly and lost at least two of her moons, one turning to Mercury and the other we gained. But that's good, because with all the new water gained, we needed a Satellite more than ever to keep us stabilized if nothing else.

And so Saturn got the Sword from Mars and went where she never had before, beyond the path of even far-out Jupiter. I'm sure she lots even more moons, so that now we have the Rings of Saturn, as well as the asteroid Belt beyond Mars.

This is also the reason why the Sabbath for Jewish folk is Saturday and why they honor it.

Now as for the peculiar Size of the Moon, being just the correct same size to the visible Eye as the Sun in our Sky, the Moon which we first gained from Saturn was most likely not the same size at first. But one of two things happened, and you can take the one that seems better to you. I have my favorite.

Either the weakened bigger Moon then when it came to its first Lunar Eclipse experienced a huge fiery electric arc from the sun (no doubt provoked from the many things going on within her domain), then going around the Earth's magnetosphere, taking more atmosphere with it, but giving the full brunt to the moon, and then the moon's outer shell (like that delicious candy-coated M&M having gotten suddenly and with one Fell Swoop sucked the outer shell out by one of us eager ones) stripped away into Space.

Else after so many Lunar Eclipses, it was gradually sucked away or melted down, bit by bit from the extreme temperature of the Sun, which the Moon is unable to withstand having no magnetic or atmospheric protection.


Okay, well there's more, but I think this is enough for one sitting. And if no one's ultimately interested, I can save myself the finger strain!
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Wow! ignorance byond measure, and childish with it.
As expected.
No longer worth the bother.
Goodnight! A dark clear sky, and a 10" reflector beckons me.
Feel free to now take all the cheap-shots you like.
 Quoting: Karlos


Just remember, I never played unfair first and inferred or said outright some things you did, such as anticipating only Youtube videos or the like. As so you dish it, so shall you receive methinks. It was fun in any case, and I can thank you at least for that.
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OP, you are not at all likeable, and have no debating skills whatsoever. If there ever was any kind of truth to any of the things you have said, you did not provide anyone with any means of learning it. You behaved childishly in your stubborn arguments. You treated people questioning you as though they were idiots. In your arguments with Karlos you were the clear loser from the very beginning. And kudos to Karlos for keeping it up as long as he did, and therefore continuing to expose your flawed reasoning and lack of evidence.
Fact is, what you have put forth here is a personal theory and nothing more. You provided no data to back this, and escaped even the need for this by stating that you do not believe any data anyway. Nice way to just posit whatever the hell you want and not have to back it up with anything. You do know that not all the scientists are out to get you right? You can actually trust a lot of the data that is out there.
I suggest you regroup, grow up, and next time you wish to discuss the possibility of a personal theory, do so in a manner that is less arrogant, condescending, and immature. Maybe more people will actually listen to you and discuss. A lot of great discoveries can be made when people discuss theory. But when the OP is stating that it is not theory but fact, and those that disagree are idiots - well, nothing really gets accomplished then - does it?
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That's all you can Do? Is hand waving on an on about FR all you have? That's all they Give you I imagine. Still you can't address the main problem, so you too can't Navigate, Read, or Think.

No matter how many times you say I don't Understand, I do. You Don't, so you might want to at some point save Face. But that's on you, it's pretty funny to me, albeit in a tragic sort of way!
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Who is "they"? You really think there is some conspiracy trying to hide the "truth" from you? Hah! You're funny!

I STILL have yet to see ANY proof from you. YOU claim the tilt is more than normal or at odd times. YOU need to prove it. YOU have so far failed to even try.

Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Of course there's a Conspiracy afoot, Weasel, and this is such a board, in case you forgot! THEY (TPTB) don't want us to know the truth, what they're doing to us, or what our real situation is, and certainly Not where we are heading, which I've already herein described to no small letter, tyvm. You're welcome.

As far as Proof goes, I've seen lots of Proof given, and I even supplied one in a Thread about two years ago now, showing a picture of the moon high in the sky from the Northern Hemisphere compared to same moon more than a Decade ago, and it wasn't good enough for those who choose not to believe. Then it was that the first time that Libration was first given as an explanation by none other than John Lear, who was supposed to be an expert on the Moon. When that didn't work out, he and others came on Board and started spouting (the first time to my knowledge) that it was rather Field Rotation, but Never had Field Rotation been used to explain anything about the appearance of the Moon before. The only usual naturally occuring movement of the moon to the apparent eye-witness of a person as he stands in one spot over the course of the Month was Libration:



That's as much as the Moon USED to change orientation once upon the time in the Sky.

And so no Proof can be supplied to the full satisfaction of those on sites like these, Gatekeepers I'd say, who make it a point not only to have themselves not convinced, but take up lots of time and effort to guarantee that others also do not believe. Nor does our looking in the Sky offer good enough proof, just as it is not good enough for you for me to say the Sun has gotten Brighter, even though thousands lay testament to this utterly True and Accurate statement.
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Libration has only been used by those who didn't understand what you were trying to say or didn't know themselves. It is the movement over a MONTH. Field rotation STILL explains the apparent nightly movement. It has ALWAYS been there. The ancient Egyptians knew about it. It is described in textbooks. And if you actually think about it, it makes sense.

You STILL have ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Yes but Libration used to be the only tilting we'd ever see in our Sky of the Moon. The man on the moon so to speak was Generally (i.e., except in winter) of the same posture no matter what position he was in the sky. The person in the Southern Hemisphere would see a differently oriented moon, only because he's upside down to Us in this hemisphere.

Your second point I'm not even sure why you bring it up, because if the Earth also tilts like I've asserted, then this is also enough of an explanation, and no need of FR.
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Wow! ignorance byond measure, and childish with it.
As expected.
No longer worth the bother.
Goodnight! A dark clear sky, and a 10" reflector beckons me.
Feel free to now take all the cheap-shots you like.
 Quoting: Karlos


Just remember, I never played unfair first and inferred or said outright some things you did, such as anticipating only Youtube videos or the like. As so you dish it, so shall you receive methinks. It was fun in any case, and I can thank you at least for that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25480060


OP, you are not at all likeable, and have no debating skills whatsoever. If there ever was any kind of truth to any of the things you have said, you did not provide anyone with any means of learning it. You behaved childishly in your stubborn arguments. You treated people questioning you as though they were idiots. In your arguments with Karlos you were the clear loser from the very beginning. And kudos to Karlos for keeping it up as long as he did, and therefore continuing to expose your flawed reasoning and lack of evidence.
Fact is, what you have put forth here is a personal theory and nothing more. You provided no data to back this, and escaped even the need for this by stating that you do not believe any data anyway. Nice way to just posit whatever the hell you want and not have to back it up with anything. You do know that not all the scientists are out to get you right? You can actually trust a lot of the data that is out there.
I suggest you regroup, grow up, and next time you wish to discuss the possibility of a personal theory, do so in a manner that is less arrogant, condescending, and immature. Maybe more people will actually listen to you and discuss. A lot of great discoveries can be made when people discuss theory. But when the OP is stating that it is not theory but fact, and those that disagree are idiots - well, nothing really gets accomplished then - does it?
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A lot of things pass you by too apparently. I treat others with the same respect they show me. If the first words out of your mouth are "this is Crap!" I'm going to remember this. If you reply in Good sincerity like another Poster, then we can have a good dialogue without all the name-calling and the Like. I'm sorry you missed all this.
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The Earth now is the 3rd Rock (another 3) from the Sun, but it wasn't always that way. It was likely the First planet for a while in orbit, while we had two suns in the sky.
A big one and a small one, the small one being today what is our Main Sun actually. The big one was what we call Saturn, and it was so gloriously bright that we couldn't even notice the other Sun. At some point Venus came in as a comet from who knows where in deep space, with her long Red hair flowing from behind her as it entered our very close vicinity, so close was it that its tail hit our very much more expansive atmosphere then, and gave us a terrible sight to see with her fiery tail. (Notice too, that dragons are in every culture's mythos around the world) Now since our atmosphere was more expansive with elements like hydrogen and Oxygen, when the tail whipped into it, it changed much of that composition into Water, thus then showering us and deluging us with so much water. Check out the pictures of Venus and you'll see her long Fiery hair not only flowing around her, but much water behind her in the background. Now we have much more Water, perhaps responsible for the sinking of places like Atlantis, certainly many many places along the coastline or very near sea level.

Now this was only part of the calamity because she was also the Real Eve who enticed Adam to fall from God's Grace. And how did she accomplish this? She enticed her man Mars, who Turned into the God of War, following her to eat that Apple. There was probably a good number of cities and civilizations on Mars too, which would also be closer to the Second Bigger Sun, with lots of water, atmosphere, and a magnetic field to keep it all in. But he alas followed her and did make war against Saturn, and in so doing lost all he had, the populace, the air, and the magnetosphere. The Water is still there, but now just Ice covered with some Dust. Oh, and the Scars from such a Battle. Saturn was wounded greatly and lost at least two of her moons, one turning to Mercury and the other we gained. But that's good, because with all the new water gained, we needed a Satellite more than ever to keep us stabilized if nothing else.

And so Saturn got the Sword from Mars and went where she never had before, beyond the path of even far-out Jupiter. I'm sure she lots even more moons, so that now we have the Rings of Saturn, as well as the asteroid Belt beyond Mars.

This is also the reason why the Sabbath for Jewish folk is Saturday and why they honor it.

Now as for the peculiar Size of the Moon, being just the correct same size to the visible Eye as the Sun in our Sky, the Moon which we first gained from Saturn was most likely not the same size at first. But one of two things happened, and you can take the one that seems better to you. I have my favorite.

Either the weakened bigger Moon then when it came to its first Lunar Eclipse experienced a huge fiery electric arc from the sun (no doubt provoked from the many things going on within her domain), then going around the Earth's magnetosphere, taking more atmosphere with it, but giving the full brunt to the moon, and then the moon's outer shell (like that delicious candy-coated M&M having gotten suddenly and with one Fell Swoop sucked the outer shell out by one of us eager ones) stripped away into Space.

Else after so many Lunar Eclipses, it was gradually sucked away or melted down, bit by bit from the extreme temperature of the Sun, which the Moon is unable to withstand having no magnetic or atmospheric protection.


Okay, well there's more, but I think this is enough for one sitting. And if no one's ultimately interested, I can save myself the finger strain!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Evidence? Oh that's right you've got none. What you end up with is just rantings.

Oh and you have STILL ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.

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Who is "they"? You really think there is some conspiracy trying to hide the "truth" from you? Hah! You're funny!

I STILL have yet to see ANY proof from you. YOU claim the tilt is more than normal or at odd times. YOU need to prove it. YOU have so far failed to even try.

Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Of course there's a Conspiracy afoot, Weasel, and this is such a board, in case you forgot! THEY (TPTB) don't want us to know the truth, what they're doing to us, or what our real situation is, and certainly Not where we are heading, which I've already herein described to no small letter, tyvm. You're welcome.

As far as Proof goes, I've seen lots of Proof given, and I even supplied one in a Thread about two years ago now, showing a picture of the moon high in the sky from the Northern Hemisphere compared to same moon more than a Decade ago, and it wasn't good enough for those who choose not to believe. Then it was that the first time that Libration was first given as an explanation by none other than John Lear, who was supposed to be an expert on the Moon. When that didn't work out, he and others came on Board and started spouting (the first time to my knowledge) that it was rather Field Rotation, but Never had Field Rotation been used to explain anything about the appearance of the Moon before. The only usual naturally occuring movement of the moon to the apparent eye-witness of a person as he stands in one spot over the course of the Month was Libration:



That's as much as the Moon USED to change orientation once upon the time in the Sky.

And so no Proof can be supplied to the full satisfaction of those on sites like these, Gatekeepers I'd say, who make it a point not only to have themselves not convinced, but take up lots of time and effort to guarantee that others also do not believe. Nor does our looking in the Sky offer good enough proof, just as it is not good enough for you for me to say the Sun has gotten Brighter, even though thousands lay testament to this utterly True and Accurate statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464


Libration has only been used by those who didn't understand what you were trying to say or didn't know themselves. It is the movement over a MONTH. Field rotation STILL explains the apparent nightly movement. It has ALWAYS been there. The ancient Egyptians knew about it. It is described in textbooks. And if you actually think about it, it makes sense.

You STILL have ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Yes but Libration used to be the only tilting we'd ever see in our Sky of the Moon. The man on the moon so to speak was Generally (i.e., except in winter) of the same posture no matter what position he was in the sky. The person in the Southern Hemisphere would see a differently oriented moon, only because he's upside down to Us in this hemisphere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Wrong. Libration and field rotation have BOTH always been present. You ignored the FACT that the ancient Egyptians saw it and described it.

Your second point I'm not even sure why you bring it up, because if the Earth also tilts like I've asserted, then this is also enough of an explanation, and no need of FR.
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Wrong. If the tilt of the Moon is because of Earth tilting then all observers will see the Moon tilt the SAME way at the same time. If it is from field rotation then different observers see different tilts depending on location. You still can't explain it.
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The Earth now is the 3rd Rock (another 3) from the Sun, but it wasn't always that way. It was likely the First planet for a while in orbit, while we had two suns in the sky.
A big one and a small one, the small one being today what is our Main Sun actually. The big one was what we call Saturn, and it was so gloriously bright that we couldn't even notice the other Sun. At some point Venus came in as a comet from who knows where in deep space, with her long Red hair flowing from behind her as it entered our very close vicinity, so close was it that its tail hit our very much more expansive atmosphere then, and gave us a terrible sight to see with her fiery tail. (Notice too, that dragons are in every culture's mythos around the world) Now since our atmosphere was more expansive with elements like hydrogen and Oxygen, when the tail whipped into it, it changed much of that composition into Water, thus then showering us and deluging us with so much water. Check out the pictures of Venus and you'll see her long Fiery hair not only flowing around her, but much water behind her in the background. Now we have much more Water, perhaps responsible for the sinking of places like Atlantis, certainly many many places along the coastline or very near sea level.

Now this was only part of the calamity because she was also the Real Eve who enticed Adam to fall from God's Grace. And how did she accomplish this? She enticed her man Mars, who Turned into the God of War, following her to eat that Apple. There was probably a good number of cities and civilizations on Mars too, which would also be closer to the Second Bigger Sun, with lots of water, atmosphere, and a magnetic field to keep it all in. But he alas followed her and did make war against Saturn, and in so doing lost all he had, the populace, the air, and the magnetosphere. The Water is still there, but now just Ice covered with some Dust. Oh, and the Scars from such a Battle. Saturn was wounded greatly and lost at least two of her moons, one turning to Mercury and the other we gained. But that's good, because with all the new water gained, we needed a Satellite more than ever to keep us stabilized if nothing else.

And so Saturn got the Sword from Mars and went where she never had before, beyond the path of even far-out Jupiter. I'm sure she lots even more moons, so that now we have the Rings of Saturn, as well as the asteroid Belt beyond Mars.

This is also the reason why the Sabbath for Jewish folk is Saturday and why they honor it.

Now as for the peculiar Size of the Moon, being just the correct same size to the visible Eye as the Sun in our Sky, the Moon which we first gained from Saturn was most likely not the same size at first. But one of two things happened, and you can take the one that seems better to you. I have my favorite.

Either the weakened bigger Moon then when it came to its first Lunar Eclipse experienced a huge fiery electric arc from the sun (no doubt provoked from the many things going on within her domain), then going around the Earth's magnetosphere, taking more atmosphere with it, but giving the full brunt to the moon, and then the moon's outer shell (like that delicious candy-coated M&M having gotten suddenly and with one Fell Swoop sucked the outer shell out by one of us eager ones) stripped away into Space.

Else after so many Lunar Eclipses, it was gradually sucked away or melted down, bit by bit from the extreme temperature of the Sun, which the Moon is unable to withstand having no magnetic or atmospheric protection.


Okay, well there's more, but I think this is enough for one sitting. And if no one's ultimately interested, I can save myself the finger strain!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Evidence? Oh that's right you've got none. What you end up with is just rantings.

Oh and you have STILL ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
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You call THIS a Rant?! Oh my. I'm glad you have called it your purpose to try and add to and Sandwich my comments with a spread of Foul. Is this your Purpose? how about you go start a Field Rotation Thread and Leave mine. Maybe because no one cares what you have to say, and you have to jump on others' just to get your Kicks in Life? And this is giving you a rather nice reason.
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Of course there's a Conspiracy afoot, Weasel, and this is such a board, in case you forgot! THEY (TPTB) don't want us to know the truth, what they're doing to us, or what our real situation is, and certainly Not where we are heading, which I've already herein described to no small letter, tyvm. You're welcome.

As far as Proof goes, I've seen lots of Proof given, and I even supplied one in a Thread about two years ago now, showing a picture of the moon high in the sky from the Northern Hemisphere compared to same moon more than a Decade ago, and it wasn't good enough for those who choose not to believe. Then it was that the first time that Libration was first given as an explanation by none other than John Lear, who was supposed to be an expert on the Moon. When that didn't work out, he and others came on Board and started spouting (the first time to my knowledge) that it was rather Field Rotation, but Never had Field Rotation been used to explain anything about the appearance of the Moon before. The only usual naturally occuring movement of the moon to the apparent eye-witness of a person as he stands in one spot over the course of the Month was Libration:



That's as much as the Moon USED to change orientation once upon the time in the Sky.

And so no Proof can be supplied to the full satisfaction of those on sites like these, Gatekeepers I'd say, who make it a point not only to have themselves not convinced, but take up lots of time and effort to guarantee that others also do not believe. Nor does our looking in the Sky offer good enough proof, just as it is not good enough for you for me to say the Sun has gotten Brighter, even though thousands lay testament to this utterly True and Accurate statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464


Libration has only been used by those who didn't understand what you were trying to say or didn't know themselves. It is the movement over a MONTH. Field rotation STILL explains the apparent nightly movement. It has ALWAYS been there. The ancient Egyptians knew about it. It is described in textbooks. And if you actually think about it, it makes sense.

You STILL have ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Yes but Libration used to be the only tilting we'd ever see in our Sky of the Moon. The man on the moon so to speak was Generally (i.e., except in winter) of the same posture no matter what position he was in the sky. The person in the Southern Hemisphere would see a differently oriented moon, only because he's upside down to Us in this hemisphere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Wrong. Libration and field rotation have BOTH always been present. You ignored the FACT that the ancient Egyptians saw it and described it.

Your second point I'm not even sure why you bring it up, because if the Earth also tilts like I've asserted, then this is also enough of an explanation, and no need of FR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Wrong. If the tilt of the Moon is because of Earth tilting then all observers will see the Moon tilt the SAME way at the same time. If it is from field rotation then different observers see different tilts depending on location. You still can't explain it.
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So says you, but you've been Wrong thus far. Plus it's also humorous when another Culture seeks to understand another. Just like our trying to say that the Mayans were into Sacrifice, which is not true AT ALL! So you have in your possession an accurate account of Egyptian knowledge...
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Libration has only been used by those who didn't understand what you were trying to say or didn't know themselves. It is the movement over a MONTH. Field rotation STILL explains the apparent nightly movement. It has ALWAYS been there. The ancient Egyptians knew about it. It is described in textbooks. And if you actually think about it, it makes sense.

You STILL have ignored this.
Still waiting by the way for your explanation about why IF the tilt of the moon is because of the Earth then two people on opposite sides of the Earth can see the moon tilting opposite apparent directions exactly as they would for field rotation.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Yes but Libration used to be the only tilting we'd ever see in our Sky of the Moon. The man on the moon so to speak was Generally (i.e., except in winter) of the same posture no matter what position he was in the sky. The person in the Southern Hemisphere would see a differently oriented moon, only because he's upside down to Us in this hemisphere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Wrong. Libration and field rotation have BOTH always been present. You ignored the FACT that the ancient Egyptians saw it and described it.

Your second point I'm not even sure why you bring it up, because if the Earth also tilts like I've asserted, then this is also enough of an explanation, and no need of FR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10082464

Wrong. If the tilt of the Moon is because of Earth tilting then all observers will see the Moon tilt the SAME way at the same time. If it is from field rotation then different observers see different tilts depending on location. You still can't explain it.
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So says you, but you've been Wrong thus far. Plus it's also humorous when another Culture seeks to understand another. Just like our trying to say that the Mayans were into Sacrifice, which is not true AT ALL! So you have in your possession an accurate account of Egyptian knowledge...
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Prove I've been wrong. You have yet to provide ANY actual evidence.
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Yes but Libration used to be the only tilting we'd ever see in our Sky of the Moon. The man on the moon so to speak was Generally (i.e., except in winter) of the same posture no matter what position he was in the sky. The person in the Southern Hemisphere would see a differently oriented moon, only because he's upside down to Us in this hemisphere.
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Wrong. Libration and field rotation have BOTH always been present. You ignored the FACT that the ancient Egyptians saw it and described it.

Your second point I'm not even sure why you bring it up, because if the Earth also tilts like I've asserted, then this is also enough of an explanation, and no need of FR.
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Wrong. If the tilt of the Moon is because of Earth tilting then all observers will see the Moon tilt the SAME way at the same time. If it is from field rotation then different observers see different tilts depending on location. You still can't explain it.
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So says you, but you've been Wrong thus far. Plus it's also humorous when another Culture seeks to understand another. Just like our trying to say that the Mayans were into Sacrifice, which is not true AT ALL! So you have in your possession an accurate account of Egyptian knowledge...
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Prove I've been wrong. You have yet to provide ANY actual evidence.
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Wrong. Libration and field rotation have BOTH always been present. You ignored the FACT that the ancient Egyptians saw it and described it.

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Wrong. If the tilt of the Moon is because of Earth tilting then all observers will see the Moon tilt the SAME way at the same time. If it is from field rotation then different observers see different tilts depending on location. You still can't explain it.
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So says you, but you've been Wrong thus far. Plus it's also humorous when another Culture seeks to understand another. Just like our trying to say that the Mayans were into Sacrifice, which is not true AT ALL! So you have in your possession an accurate account of Egyptian knowledge...
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Prove I've been wrong. You have yet to provide ANY actual evidence.
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And that is proof of anything how? Still waiting for proof of ANYTHING you've contended. You've provided none so far.

Still waiting for you to show even a basic understanding of field rotation. You've shown none so far.

By the way, the join date is just when I finally bothered to sign up for an account. I've been posting here for years.
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So says you, but you've been Wrong thus far. Plus it's also humorous when another Culture seeks to understand another. Just like our trying to say that the Mayans were into Sacrifice, which is not true AT ALL! So you have in your possession an accurate account of Egyptian knowledge...
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Prove I've been wrong. You have yet to provide ANY actual evidence.
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And that is proof of anything how? Still waiting for proof of ANYTHING you've contended. You've provided none so far.

Still waiting for you to show even a basic understanding of field rotation. You've shown none so far.

By the way, the join date is just when I finally bothered to sign up for an account. I've been posting here for years.
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With all the bickering and endless back and forth, you not listening, and my not understanding...why I've gone cross-eyed!

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More Random (or not quite random) thoughts:

The Pryamids...how many? Three! Two Big and One small, correct? I've never understood that they only serve to Point to the Stars in Orion's Belt, what on Earth would be the Purpose of That? Of course I do believe the Pyramids fall on some great Ley Lines and tap into some great natural acoustics of the Earth. From that point I won't diminish, but also posit that they once upon a time signaled the Two Great Suns (Sol and Saturn). The small one left then? I can only think of the Moon.

And what did they also Revere? The cat. Now these were smart people, and they had to have good reason to idolize this certain feline of all the animals in the animal kingdom (Besides what is also depicted in their Sphyx of course). Now I'm personally a dog-lover more than a cat (which I still love), but my affinity goes naturally to the dog, having many since I was a kid growing up myself. they easily give their affection, and are so playful. But I'm not here to debate which is better, cat or dog, ala Meet the Parents or whatnot. Just that the cat has a sublime beauty all its own, and I think the two reasons for their adoration in Egyptian times has to do with their glowing Eyes (two, like the two suns), and their two triangular ears also signifying the same.

Now as for that mystery the Sphyx, I've yet to fully Riddle that One!

I've already mentioned, as is already well-known, the White Bunny in Alice in Wonderland. I'm also reminded of Donnie Darko's Disturbing Bunny. Notice there too the Eye that is smitten and glowing in the Mirror.

Now a lot of Christians take exception to when others write the spelling Xmas for Christmas, replacing their Holy Christ with but a profane X! But they are only ignorant of the proper history of the X, for it comes from their very own Ichthyus the Fish in Greek. X is their Christos (Christos) which is again where the real Cross comes to have meaning: the Crossing of the Galactic Plane. How many were also crucified with him? Two others, so including Himself, comes to 3. Only the real Sincere in Heart on the Z axis (those of us on Earth) will enter into Paradise. Others? Sorry! You unfortunately will not even be a bug on a windshield in the next life. Your life in 2 months shall come to an Everlasting End. RIP I say.

Now it's only significant to me that this year I turned 39, multiples of 3, but this is only for myself to enjoy, so I have to just move on. What else?

Another marvel of Infinity that our mind cannot grasp is Pi, which begins with another 3 and extends on in mathematical terms seemingly forever. This is because math cannot contain nor fully explain the Reality of our wonderful universe.

Skull and Bones which I've also mentioned previously (if the third month) but which I forgot to add is that what is their symbol? Just that, a CROSS of bones, with the Skull on top, just like some blarney Pirates. But they get this right I suppose, along with Mason's two prominent pillars they like to display, or black and white checkered tile, or their navigational symbols.

Christmas is darn close to December 21st. Can't have it fall exactly on the Winter Solstice, now can we that would just be too obvious!

And of course Jesus burial for 3 days in the bowls of the Earth is just like Jonah's in the Fish, which Moby Dick also speaks a lot about.

The ring in the LOTRs I've mentioned already too several times, and the all seeing one-eye of Sauron. The ring is round obviously to bring to our mind that round bright Object in the Sky we shouldn't forget again, but also the materialism that all the world is scurrying towards and making it their life-long ambition to obtain, but not realizing all the while how it seeps all the lifeforce out of them, and will leave them hollow and shallow just as the ring itself, and he or she is but a soulless Gollum in the end.

In Pop culture, don't forget how many celebrities display the One Eye, like lady Gaga. Britney Spears til the World ends video, has given you just about as many clues to the Sun that possibly can be laiden in a video. Kirsten Durnst brilliantly played her role in Melancholia, and suffered much own personal depression of her own. She knows what is to come. Even though it's not a extra-planetary body we have to worry about. But all the other signs are correct, from the electricity in the atmosphere, to our being enveloped in water, to "We are Alone, the World is Evil, and no one will miss it", and the sinking of the ground, and the rise of bugs, and the initial excitement and then calm of our animals, and then the extreme weather, and then those who like Weasel or Kathy will try and placate us til the very End, while the cowards they are will ultimately take their own lives in Fear and not be able to withstand the end. And how many did the Film focus on at the end? Three! One who knew all along, one who comes to can't deny it, and one like all the children who will just place their good trust in the rest of Us for whatever happens.
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There's too many men, too many people, making too many problems and not enough love to go around. Can't you see this is the land of confusion?

That's pretty good, I should try and turn this into a song!

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The Pryamids...how many? Three! Two Big and One small, correct? I've never understood that they only serve to Point to the Stars in Orion's Belt, what on Earth would be the Purpose of That? Of course I do believe the Pyramids fall on some great Ley Lines and tap into some great natural acoustics of the Earth. From that point I won't diminish, but also posit that they once upon a time signaled the Two Great Suns (Sol and Saturn). The small one left then? I can only think of the Moon.

And what did they also Revere? The cat. Now these were smart people, and they had to have good reason to idolize this certain feline of all the animals in the animal kingdom (Besides what is also depicted in their Sphyx of course). Now I'm personally a dog-lover more than a cat (which I still love), but my affinity goes naturally to the dog, having many since I was a kid growing up myself. they easily give their affection, and are so playful. But I'm not here to debate which is better, cat or dog, ala Meet the Parents or whatnot. Just that the cat has a sublime beauty all its own, and I think the two reasons for their adoration in Egyptian times has to do with their glowing Eyes (two, like the two suns), and their two triangular ears also signifying the same.

Now as for that mystery the Sphyx, I've yet to fully Riddle that One!

I've already mentioned, as is already well-known, the White Bunny in Alice in Wonderland. I'm also reminded of Donnie Darko's Disturbing Bunny. Notice there too the Eye that is smitten and glowing in the Mirror.

Now a lot of Christians take exception to when others write the spelling Xmas for Christmas, replacing their Holy Christ with but a profane X! But they are only ignorant of the proper history of the X, for it comes from their very own Ichthyus the Fish in Greek. X is their Christos (Christos) which is again where the real Cross comes to have meaning: the Crossing of the Galactic Plane. How many were also crucified with him? Two others, so including Himself, comes to 3. Only the real Sincere in Heart on the Z axis (those of us on Earth) will enter into Paradise. Others? Sorry! You unfortunately will not even be a bug on a windshield in the next life. Your life in 2 months shall come to an Everlasting End. RIP I say.

Now it's only significant to me that this year I turned 39, multiples of 3, but this is only for myself to enjoy, so I have to just move on. What else?

Another marvel of Infinity that our mind cannot grasp is Pi, which begins with another 3 and extends on in mathematical terms seemingly forever. This is because math cannot contain nor fully explain the Reality of our wonderful universe.

Skull and Bones which I've also mentioned previously (if the third month) but which I forgot to add is that what is their symbol? Just that, a CROSS of bones, with the Skull on top, just like some blarney Pirates. But they get this right I suppose, along with Mason's two prominent pillars they like to display, or black and white checkered tile, or their navigational symbols.

Christmas is darn close to December 21st. Can't have it fall exactly on the Winter Solstice, now can we that would just be too obvious!

And of course Jesus burial for 3 days in the bowls of the Earth is just like Jonah's in the Fish, which Moby Dick also speaks a lot about.

The ring in the LOTRs I've mentioned already too several times, and the all seeing one-eye of Sauron. The ring is round obviously to bring to our mind that round bright Object in the Sky we shouldn't forget again, but also the materialism that all the world is scurrying towards and making it their life-long ambition to obtain, but not realizing all the while how it seeps all the lifeforce out of them, and will leave them hollow and shallow just as the ring itself, and he or she is but a soulless Gollum in the end.

In Pop culture, don't forget how many celebrities display the One Eye, like lady Gaga. Britney Spears til the World ends video, has given you just about as many clues to the Sun that possibly can be laiden in a video. Kirsten Durnst brilliantly played her role in Melancholia, and suffered much own personal depression of her own. She knows what is to come. Even though it's not a extra-planetary body we have to worry about. But all the other signs are correct, from the electricity in the atmosphere, to our being enveloped in water, to "We are Alone, the World is Evil, and no one will miss it", and the sinking of the ground, and the rise of bugs, and the initial excitement and then calm of our animals, and then the extreme weather, and then those who like Weasel or Kathy will try and placate us til the very End, while the cowards they are will ultimately take their own lives in Fear and not be able to withstand the end. And how many did the Film focus on at the end? Three! One who knew all along, one who comes to can't deny it, and one like all the children who will just place their good trust in the rest of Us for whatever happens.
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For many years classical Egyptologists maintained that the Pyramids were merely grandiose tombs to commemorate dead Pharoahs, built by slave labour and laid out in a relatively unstructured manner. However, recent work by Robert Bauval has shed an intriguing new light on the issue. He realized that the relative sizes, and detailed positioning of, the Giza pyramids were a faithful mimicry of the stars forming the 'belt' in the constellation of Orion. In addition, it transpired that the supposed 'air shafts' in the pyramids actually pointed directly towards Orion, apparently with the aim of projecting the soul of the deceased king out towards the constellation. These discoveries alone re-wrote our understanding of the motivations for building the pyramids and the state of technological advance of the ancient culture. But the plot continues to thicken with a robotic camera sent into the shafts recently enabling the discovery of a door to a previously unknown secret chamber deep within the structure. Rumours abound that imminent discoveries may even more radically change our perception of ancient civilisation.
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The Pryamids...how many? Three! Two Big and One small, correct? I've never understood that they only serve to Point to the Stars in Orion's Belt, what on Earth would be the Purpose of That? Of course I do believe the Pyramids fall on some great Ley Lines and tap into some great natural acoustics of the Earth. From that point I won't diminish, but also posit that they once upon a time signaled the Two Great Suns (Sol and Saturn). The small one left then? I can only think of the Moon.

And what did they also Revere? The cat. Now these were smart people, and they had to have good reason to idolize this certain feline of all the animals in the animal kingdom (Besides what is also depicted in their Sphyx of course). Now I'm personally a dog-lover more than a cat (which I still love), but my affinity goes naturally to the dog, having many since I was a kid growing up myself. they easily give their affection, and are so playful. But I'm not here to debate which is better, cat or dog, ala Meet the Parents or whatnot. Just that the cat has a sublime beauty all its own, and I think the two reasons for their adoration in Egyptian times has to do with their glowing Eyes (two, like the two suns), and their two triangular ears also signifying the same.

Now as for that mystery the Sphyx, I've yet to fully Riddle that One!

I've already mentioned, as is already well-known, the White Bunny in Alice in Wonderland. I'm also reminded of Donnie Darko's Disturbing Bunny. Notice there too the Eye that is smitten and glowing in the Mirror.

Now a lot of Christians take exception to when others write the spelling Xmas for Christmas, replacing their Holy Christ with but a profane X! But they are only ignorant of the proper history of the X, for it comes from their very own Ichthyus the Fish in Greek. X is their Christos (Christos) which is again where the real Cross comes to have meaning: the Crossing of the Galactic Plane. How many were also crucified with him? Two others, so including Himself, comes to 3. Only the real Sincere in Heart on the Z axis (those of us on Earth) will enter into Paradise. Others? Sorry! You unfortunately will not even be a bug on a windshield in the next life. Your life in 2 months shall come to an Everlasting End. RIP I say.

Now it's only significant to me that this year I turned 39, multiples of 3, but this is only for myself to enjoy, so I have to just move on. What else?

Another marvel of Infinity that our mind cannot grasp is Pi, which begins with another 3 and extends on in mathematical terms seemingly forever. This is because math cannot contain nor fully explain the Reality of our wonderful universe.

Skull and Bones which I've also mentioned previously (if the third month) but which I forgot to add is that what is their symbol? Just that, a CROSS of bones, with the Skull on top, just like some blarney Pirates. But they get this right I suppose, along with Mason's two prominent pillars they like to display, or black and white checkered tile, or their navigational symbols.

Christmas is darn close to December 21st. Can't have it fall exactly on the Winter Solstice, now can we that would just be too obvious!

And of course Jesus burial for 3 days in the bowls of the Earth is just like Jonah's in the Fish, which Moby Dick also speaks a lot about.

The ring in the LOTRs I've mentioned already too several times, and the all seeing one-eye of Sauron. The ring is round obviously to bring to our mind that round bright Object in the Sky we shouldn't forget again, but also the materialism that all the world is scurrying towards and making it their life-long ambition to obtain, but not realizing all the while how it seeps all the lifeforce out of them, and will leave them hollow and shallow just as the ring itself, and he or she is but a soulless Gollum in the end.

In Pop culture, don't forget how many celebrities display the One Eye, like lady Gaga. Britney Spears til the World ends video, has given you just about as many clues to the Sun that possibly can be laiden in a video. Kirsten Durnst brilliantly played her role in Melancholia, and suffered much own personal depression of her own. She knows what is to come. Even though it's not a extra-planetary body we have to worry about. But all the other signs are correct, from the electricity in the atmosphere, to our being enveloped in water, to "We are Alone, the World is Evil, and no one will miss it", and the sinking of the ground, and the rise of bugs, and the initial excitement and then calm of our animals, and then the extreme weather, and then those who like Weasel or Kathy will try and placate us til the very End, while the cowards they are will ultimately take their own lives in Fear and not be able to withstand the end. And how many did the Film focus on at the end? Three! One who knew all along, one who comes to can't deny it, and one like all the children who will just place their good trust in the rest of Us for whatever happens.
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For many years classical Egyptologists maintained that the Pyramids were merely grandiose tombs to commemorate dead Pharoahs, built by slave labour and laid out in a relatively unstructured manner. However, recent work by Robert Bauval has shed an intriguing new light on the issue. He realized that the relative sizes, and detailed positioning of, the Giza pyramids were a faithful mimicry of the stars forming the 'belt' in the constellation of Orion. In addition, it transpired that the supposed 'air shafts' in the pyramids actually pointed directly towards Orion, apparently with the aim of projecting the soul of the deceased king out towards the constellation. These discoveries alone re-wrote our understanding of the motivations for building the pyramids and the state of technological advance of the ancient culture. But the plot continues to thicken with a robotic camera sent into the shafts recently enabling the discovery of a door to a previously unknown secret chamber deep within the structure. Rumours abound that imminent discoveries may even more radically change our perception of ancient civilisation.
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This might be but the last of my attempts to post, since I'm not getting much by way of positive interest in any my thoughts. Boohoo on me!

I would like to say that please if you have a question about anything please ask away. There's no such thing as a stupid Question. We are all on different paths of our sundry Journeys. And if I don't know the answer, I'll certainly meditate on it or research it more and get back with you to share my thoughts anyway.

Do I have any other insane thoughts to share atm? Maybe one more to be forthcoming, I think I have just a few tidbits left from my 3 Days of Meditation.

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