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PROOF THAT NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN AS YOU DIE,THE ONLY FIRST FRUITS IN HEAVEN ARE THE 144000 AT THE END TIME

 
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This has been on an going debate on glp with christians and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven. I have been showing scripture upon scripture showing that no person goes to heaven when you die.It has been shown that only until the resurrection will the elect and saints be made immortal as they meet the messiah in the air.

The Messiah Yeh'shah epeated this three times in this chapter,what is your problem false teachers?

john chapter 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

45 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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I did another thread before showing that only 144000 the twelve tribes of Israel at the coming of the lord in the end time are the only ones will be in heaven and always with messiah where ever he goes and to join the Lord's army.

Thread: THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU


SO LET US LOOK AT THE FACTS AVBOUT MESSIAH AND WE SEE HE IS THE FIRST FRUIT MEANING THE FIRST ONE WHO DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!

The book of Acts chp 1

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven


c mklyh


Corinthians chp 15

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming



NOW LET US LOOK AT "THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S" IN THE CONTEXT OF WHY HE WAS SENT. THIS IS IN NO WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE GENTILES WHO ARE GRAFTED IN AND HAVE JOINED THEMSELVES TO MESSIAH.THEY WILL HAVE THEIR REWARD


ihttg

Book of Acts chp 5

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.



The book of john chp 4

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews[Israelites].

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.



The Book of Matt chp 15
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel




NOTE:
LET US LOOK AGAIN NOW IN SCRIPTURE FOR THE GROUP THAT IS CALLED THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO GOD AND MESSIAH.
We will identify that group who ascended to heaven on a cloud just like messiah did.



The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 12
11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

THE NORTHERN KINGDOM AND THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM "ISARAEL AND JUDAH" THE TWO WITNESSES


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Reference:The Book of Revelation chapter 14
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
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*NOTICE THEY WENT INTO HEAVEN IN REVEALTION 11 AND IN REVELATION 14 WE SEE THEY FOLLOW THE LAMB WHEREEVER HE GOES*
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YOU DECIDE AND FIGURE IT OUT! TOGETHER I WILL INCLUDE THE WHOLE STUDY IN THE FOLLOWING LINK
Thread: WHAT REALLY HAPPENS WHEN MESSIAH COMES AGAIN? DON'T BE FOOLED "THE OBEDIENT TO HIS LAWS" WILL BE IN HIS ARMY-COMPLETED THANK YOU!

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/14/2012 10:33 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1ST CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 15


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.



54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.[/color

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Dude you're a Jewish quit talking about Jesus.
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Dude you're a Jewish quit talking about Jesus.
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I dont really I HONOR THE TRUE MESSIAH
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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This has been on an going debate on glp with christians and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven. I have been showing scripture upon scripture showing that no person goes to heaven when you die.It has been shown that only until the resurrection will the elect and saints be made immortal as they meet the messiah in the air.

I did another thread before showing that only 144000 the twelve tribes of Israel at the coming of the lord in the end time are the only ones will be in heaven and always with messiah where ever he goes and to join the Lord's army.

Thread: THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU


SO LET US LOOK AT THE FACTS AVBOUT MESSIAH AND WE SEE HE IS THE FIRST FRUIT MEANING THE FIRST ONE WHO DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!


:c mklyh:


Corinthians chp 15

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming



NOW LET US LOOK AT "THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S" IN THE CONTEXT OF WHY HE WAS SENT. THIS IS IN NO WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE GENTILES WHO ARE GRAFTED IN AND HAVE JOINED THEMSELVES TO MESSIAH.THEY WILL HAVE THEIR REWARD


:ihttg:

Book of Acts chp 5

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.



The book of john chp 4

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews[Israelites].

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.



The Book of Matt chp 15
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel




NOTE:
LET US LOOK AGAIN NOW IN SCRIPTURE FOR THE GROUP THAT IS CALLED THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO GOD AND MESSIAH.
We will identify that group who ascended to heaven on a cloud just like messiah did.



The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 12
11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

THE NORTHERN KINGDOM AND THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM "ISARAEL AND JUDAH" THE TWO WITNESSES


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Reference:The Book of Revelation chapter 14
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
.

*NOTICE THEY WENT INTO HEAVEN IN REVEALTION 11 AND IN REVELATION 14 WE SEE THEY FOLLOW THE LAMB WHEREEVER HE GOES*
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YOU DECIDE AND FIGURE IT OUT! TOGETHER I WILL INCLUDE THE WHOLE STUDY IN THE FOLLOWING LINK
Thread: WHAT REALLY HAPPENS WHEN MESSIAH COMES AGAIN? DON'T BE FOOLED "THE OBEDIENT TO HIS LAWS" WILL BE IN HIS ARMY-COMPLETED THANK YOU!
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Dude you're a Jewish quit talking about Jesus.
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I dont really I HONOR THE TRUE MESSIAH
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NO! You've read books written by ignorant goat herders thosands of years ago that have been modified by each generation of pedophile priests and cock mutilating sicko's and then you claim to know the true messiah!

It really doesnt get any funnier than this, cheers.
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grizzy Yeah well whatever, I think I'll just stick with what the bible says.

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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.

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WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!


Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.


After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.


The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?


You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.


There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
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Great analogy op, the fools will one star you because they are enemies of the truth. Again very good and I will look at the links later. Peace
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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.

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WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!


Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.


After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.


The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?


You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.


There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien


Was only a matter of time with you to show yourself oh you humble christian, you got more the F word expressions seminarian.

Then use it with some scriptures to deny what revelation says

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/12/2012 09:16 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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jehovahs witness bull.. your false god is Charles taz russel..

you will burn.
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jehovahs witness bull.. your false god is Charles taz russel..

you will burn.
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find something contrary to what the end time prophecy declares..it is right there before you in your bible
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:


WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!


Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.


After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.


The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?


You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.


There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien


NO! You've read books written by ignorant goat herders thosands of years ago that have been modified by each generation of pedophile priests and cock mutilating sicko's and then you claim to know the true messiah!

It really doesnt get any funnier than this, cheers.

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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:


WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!


Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.


After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.


The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?


You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.


There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
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You are such an azz for a christian. But what to expect anyhow there is no difference to show you all are godly as compared to people who have no belief. Hypocrites all of you that is why I hate church prople
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Only particular 'aborted fetuses' from the bloodlines of the 12 tribes of Israel fit the description of the 144,000!

They all die the same way...
They never speak a bad word...
Are with Jesus constantly...
Virgins...
Want their blood revenged...
Reside under the alter in Heaven...

Are coming back WITH Jesus in the Last Day!
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No proof resides here !
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As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:


WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!


Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.


After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.


The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?


You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.


There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien


You are such an azz for a christian. But what to expect anyhow there is no difference to show you all are godly as compared to people who have no belief. Hypocrites all of you that is why I hate church prople
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4837822


DON'T DESPAIR FRIEND NOT ALL CHURCH GOERS ARE OF SUCH ILL REPUTE!

There are good christians out there who wants to learn the truth and the father knows them all by their fruit[works]


Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/12/2012 09:27 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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MANY OF YOU WILL GET MAD BECAUSE ALL YOUR LIFE YOU BEEN LIED TO IN THE CHURCHES.MANY OF YOU WENT TO SEMINARIES AND PAID TO BE COME MASTERS OF LIES AND IT HURTS.

There are those of you in higher places who know this truth but you are paid to keep the people in darkness with your demonic satanic curiculum.

I say to you who love the Lord search out the scriptures in prayer and fasting.Do NOT BELIEVE THOSE PUPPET PASTORS WHO ARE SENDING YOU TO HELL!

YOU CAN HATE ME AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE TO ,BUT LEARN TO LOVE THE WORD!

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.


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WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!




Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.




After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.




The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?




You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.




There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
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Was only a matter of time with you to show yourself oh you humble christian, you got more the F word expressions seminarian.


Then use it with some scriptures to deny what revelation says



It's a common expression of incredulity. You will note that the abbreviated version was used to convey the meaning whilst minimising offence.


I do not deny that the 144,000 will enter heaven as the first-fruits of the Lord. This is clearly shown and cannot be argued against.


What I find distasteful is that you would suggest these are the ONLY ones to enter heaven! This is clearly false as outlined in the following scripture:


Revelation 7:9-17


7:9 After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands.
7:10 They were shouting out in a loud voice,
“Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
7:11 And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God,
7:12 saying,
“Amen! Praise and glory,
and wisdom and thanksgiving,
and honor and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These dressed in long white robes – who are they and where have they come from?”
7:14 So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”





Clearly, this multitude is more than 144,000 since it is a number no one can count. In fact, since the number of 200 million is mentioned in Revelation, we can conclude that this multitude is greater that 200 million as well.


They are the ones who have come from the Great Tribulation and their place is before the Throne of God in Heaven.


This multitude does not include the Bride of Christ who is taken up to Heaven before the Great Tribulation even begins. This is another unknown number of people who comprise the Church who is to be Christ's Bride (living and dead at the time of Rapture).
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MANY OF YOU WILL GET MAD BECAUSE ALL YOUR LIFE YOU BEEN LIED TO IN THE CHURCHES.MANY OF YOU WENT TO SEMINARIES AND PAID TO BE COME MASTERS OF LIES AND IT HURTS.

There are those of you in higher places who know this truth but you are paid to keep the people in darkness with your demonic satanic curiculum.

I say to you who love the Lord search out the scriptures in prayer and fasting.Do NOT BELIEVE THOSE PUPPET PASTORS WHO ARE SENDING YOU TO HELL!

YOU CAN HATE ME AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE TO ,BUT LEARN TO LOVE THE WORD!

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Thanks op this is so true
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MANY OF YOU WILL GET MAD BECAUSE ALL YOUR LIFE YOU BEEN LIED TO IN THE CHURCHES.MANY OF YOU WENT TO SEMINARIES AND PAID TO BE COME MASTERS OF LIES AND IT HURTS.

There are those of you in higher places who know this truth but you are paid to keep the people in darkness with your demonic satanic curiculum.

I say to you who love the Lord search out the scriptures in prayer and fasting.Do NOT BELIEVE THOSE PUPPET PASTORS WHO ARE SENDING YOU TO HELL!

YOU CAN HATE ME AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE TO ,BUT LEARN TO LOVE THE WORD!

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Wrong, again, OP!


1Jo 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
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The 144,000 are NOT the saints necessarily, nor are they the ones who are raptured, if that is what you are trying to say.

The 144,000 are God's sealed servents in the end times.
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The 144,000 are NOT the saints necessarily, nor are they the ones who are raptured, if that is what you are trying to say.

The 144,000 are God's sealed servents in the end times.
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Follow the verses in the thread and you will see the format..If people take time to study it will make sense than just to start arguing
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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MANY OF YOU WILL GET MAD BECAUSE ALL YOUR LIFE YOU BEEN LIED TO IN THE CHURCHES.MANY OF YOU WENT TO SEMINARIES AND PAID TO BE COME MASTERS OF LIES AND IT HURTS.

There are those of you in higher places who know this truth but you are paid to keep the people in darkness with your demonic satanic curiculum.

I say to you who love the Lord search out the scriptures in prayer and fasting.Do NOT BELIEVE THOSE PUPPET PASTORS WHO ARE SENDING YOU TO HELL!

YOU CAN HATE ME AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE TO ,BUT LEARN TO LOVE THE WORD!

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

Wrong, again, OP!


1Jo 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24917207


In your own eyes yes, but I wrote what is in your bible and you disagree. Your disagreement is with the word
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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This has been on an going debate on glp with christians and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven. I have been showing scripture upon scripture showing that no person goes to heaven when you die.It has been shown that only until the resurrection will the elect and saints be made immortal as they meet the messiah in the air.

I did another thread before showing that only 144000 the twelve tribes of Israel at the coming of the lord in the end time are the only ones will be in heaven and always with messiah where ever he goes and to join the Lord's army.

Thread: THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU


SO LET US LOOK AT THE FACTS AVBOUT MESSIAH AND WE SEE HE IS THE FIRST FRUIT MEANING THE FIRST ONE WHO DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!

The book of Acts chp 1

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven


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Corinthians chp 15

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming



NOW LET US LOOK AT "THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S" IN THE CONTEXT OF WHY HE WAS SENT. THIS IS IN NO WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE GENTILES WHO ARE GRAFTED IN AND HAVE JOINED THEMSELVES TO MESSIAH.THEY WILL HAVE THEIR REWARD


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Book of Acts chp 5

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.



The book of john chp 4

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews[Israelites].

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.



The Book of Matt chp 15
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel




NOTE:
LET US LOOK AGAIN NOW IN SCRIPTURE FOR THE GROUP THAT IS CALLED THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO GOD AND MESSIAH.
We will identify that group who ascended to heaven on a cloud just like messiah did.



The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 12
11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

THE NORTHERN KINGDOM AND THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM "ISARAEL AND JUDAH" THE TWO WITNESSES


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Reference:The Book of Revelation chapter 14
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
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*NOTICE THEY WENT INTO HEAVEN IN REVEALTION 11 AND IN REVELATION 14 WE SEE THEY FOLLOW THE LAMB WHEREEVER HE GOES*
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YOU DECIDE AND FIGURE IT OUT! TOGETHER I WILL INCLUDE THE WHOLE STUDY IN THE FOLLOWING LINK
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Bro, stop making stupid quotes of an age nobody lives anymore. Get tuned in to yourself and you will find heaven within. And why bother anyways, just die someday and you will find out the truth. love is the key to get to heaven without dieing.
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Let me guess.....you must be God OP?
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Just because there are 144000 seeds doesn't mean they won't help others awaken to the Christ that resides within us all to remember and experience.

Yes there are relative levels of attainment, it is both and that Humanity as a race ascends with planet Earth. Your book quotes are only proof that you have forgotten how to go within and know the true kingdom of heaven and reflection of Christ compassion which would have all of Humanity ascend, in due time. Any ascertation otherwise is darkside attempt to make you think less of yourself so you accept a lesser experience by which the darkhats may gain by your inability to claim all divinely appointed blessings.

Read Power Vs Force by Dr David R Hawkins for a start. Practice muscle testing while meditating to remember the truth.

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quote:Neim-Ya'shar:MV8yMDE0ODYxXzMzODU5ODIwX0JCQ0MyOTRG]
and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.


 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:



WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!




Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.




After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.




The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?




You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.




There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien



Was only a matter of time with you to show yourself oh you humble christian, you got more the F word expressions seminarian.


Then use it with some scriptures to deny what revelation says
 Quoting: asparien



It's a common expression of incredulity. You will note that the abbreviated version was used to convey the meaning whilst minimising offence.


I do not deny that the 144,000 will enter heaven as the first-fruits of the Lord. This is clearly shown and cannot be argued against.


What I find distasteful is that you would suggest these are the ONLY ones to enter heaven! This is clearly false as outlined in the following scripture:


Revelation 7:9-17


7:9 After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands.
7:10 They were shouting out in a loud voice,
“Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
7:11 And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God,
7:12 saying,
“Amen! Praise and glory,
and wisdom and thanksgiving,
and honor and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These dressed in long white robes – who are they and where have they come from?”
7:14 So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”





Clearly, this multitude is more than 144,000 since it is a number no one can count. In fact, since the number of 200 million is mentioned in Revelation, we can conclude that this multitude is greater that 200 million as well.


They are the ones who have come from the Great Tribulation and their place is before the Throne of God in Heaven.


This multitude does not include the Bride of Christ who is taken up to Heaven before the Great Tribulation even begins. This is another unknown number of people who comprise the Church who is to be Christ's Bride (living and dead at the time of Rapture).


I knew and was prepared for this..OK

IS THERE NIGHT AND DAY IN HEAVEN? NO THE BIBLE TELLS YOU THAT THE GLORY OF THE FATHER LIGHTS UP THE HEAVENS, THERE IS NO NIGHT.


SO WE HAVE PEOPLE WORSHIPPING DAY AND NIGHT. THAT IS ON EARTH IN THE NEW KINGDOM..

7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 10/12/2012 10:03 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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