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PROOF THAT NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN AS YOU DIE,THE ONLY FIRST FRUITS IN HEAVEN ARE THE 144000 AT THE END TIME

 
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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.


 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:



WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!




Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.




After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.




The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?




You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.




There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien



Was only a matter of time with you to show yourself oh you humble christian, you got more the F word expressions seminarian.


Then use it with some scriptures to deny what revelation says
 Quoting: asparien



It's a common expression of incredulity. You will note that the abbreviated version was used to convey the meaning whilst minimising offence.


I do not deny that the 144,000 will enter heaven as the first-fruits of the Lord. This is clearly shown and cannot be argued against.


What I find distasteful is that you would suggest these are the ONLY ones to enter heaven! This is clearly false as outlined in the following scripture:


Revelation 7:9-17


7:9 After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands.
7:10 They were shouting out in a loud voice,
“Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
7:11 And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God,
7:12 saying,
“Amen! Praise and glory,
and wisdom and thanksgiving,
and honor and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These dressed in long white robes – who are they and where have they come from?”
7:14 So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”





Clearly, this multitude is more than 144,000 since it is a number no one can count. In fact, since the number of 200 million is mentioned in Revelation, we can conclude that this multitude is greater that 200 million as well.


They are the ones who have come from the Great Tribulation and their place is before the Throne of God in Heaven.


This multitude does not include the Bride of Christ who is taken up to Heaven before the Great Tribulation even begins. This is another unknown number of people who comprise the Church who is to be Christ's Bride (living and dead at the time of Rapture).

ASPARIEN
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I knew this was coming and was prepared for this..OK HERE WE GO EXPLAINING AWAY YOUR FOLLY

IS THERE NIGHT AND DAY IN HEAVEN? NO THE BIBLE TELLS YOU THAT THE GLORY OF THE FATHER LIGHTS UP THE HEAVEN. THERE IS NO SUN IN HEAVEN.ANY ABC STUDENT KNOWS THIS!

SO WE HAVE A VISION OF PEOPLE WORSHIPPING DAY AND NIGHT AND THE SUN WILL NOT BEAT DOWN ON THEM. THAT IS A VISION OF THE MILLENIAL KINGDOM ON EARTH..

READ IT!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


The multitude in he vision was the multitude in the millenial kingdom on earth. Let us look at the vision again

The vision continues from Rev chapter 6 into chp 7 the sixth seal when messiah is in the earths atmosphere AS YOU SEE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH WERE TRYING TO HIDE THERE FACES



12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand


"RIGHT HERE IS WHEN THE MESSIAH MAKES HIS APPEARANCE IN OUR WORLD"

**WE CONTINUE THE 6TH SEAL IN REV. CHP 7.PLEASE FOLLOW CLOSELY WHAT IS UNFOLDING IN THE EARTHS ATMOSPHERE***


1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

WHERE DID THEY GET THE PALMS FROM? SOMEBODY TELL ME PLEASE!


10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.


11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them
.

THERE IS NO NIGHT AND DAY OR SUN IN HEAVEN ! WE KNOW THAT!

**BIBLE TEACHES THAT MESSIAH ROOT OF DAVID WILL BE KING BE A PRINCE OVER HIS PEOPLE ON EARTH IN THE NEW KINGDOM**

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel
, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

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16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Isa 49:10

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Isa 49:10, 25:8

NOW YOU FOLK NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE AND STUDY AND FIRE PASTOR!


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Re: PROOF THAT NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN AS YOU DIE,THE ONLY FIRST FRUITS IN HEAVEN ARE THE 144000 AT THE END TIME
Just because there are 144000 seeds doesn't mean they won't help others awaken to the Christ that resides within us all to remember and experience.

Yes there are relative levels of attainment, it is both and that Humanity as a race ascends with planet Earth. Your book quotes are only proof that you have forgotten how to go within and know the true kingdom of heaven and reflection of Christ compassion which would have all of Humanity ascend, in due time. Any ascertation otherwise is darkside attempt to make you think less of yourself so you accept a lesser experience by which the darkhats may gain by your inability to claim all divinely appointed blessings.

Read Power Vs Force by Dr David R Hawkins for a start. Practice muscle testing while meditating to remember the truth.

hf
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COMPASSION?

Point out any compassion to others in the old testament.
You will not find any.
The old testament is a testament only to tribal priority over anyone else.
There is not salvation for anyone else within it.
Using the old testament to find charity or compassion or respect for others is an impossible task.
The basic question is why would an alleged universal creator create a set of requirements that requires a worldly bureauracy preaching exclusion of most of gods creation to administer it?
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The Jehovah witness believe that the anointed ( 144k ) are the ones that are with Jesus in heaven while everyone else is resurrected. And live on earth ... There are still a few alive very old , but all the 144k are accounted for
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If the few saved are preordained and excused from eternal punishment by design, and the rest of gods creations are created only to be tossed into eternal hell, what manner of god do YOU believe in?
Is god a impetuous bloodthirsty mafia don or a loving creator seeking elevation for all of his creation? It makes a big difference.
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quote:Neim-Ya'shar:MV8yMDE0ODYxXzMzODU5ODIwX0JCQ0MyOTRG]

and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.


 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:



WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!




Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.




After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.




The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?




You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.



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THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH (The god) and Muhammad was his final messenger, no god but Allah and Jesus was his prophet n messenger, peace and blessins be on all the prophets (Adam, Moses, Noah, Abraham etc
There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien



Was only a matter of time with you to show yourself oh you humble christian, you got more the F word expressions seminarian.


Then use it with some scriptures to deny what revelation says
 Quoting: asparien



It's a common expression of incredulity. You will note that the abbreviated version was used to convey the meaning whilst minimising offence.


I do not deny that the 144,000 will enter heaven as the first-fruits of the Lord. This is clearly shown and cannot be argued against.


What I find distasteful is that you would suggest these are the ONLY ones to enter heaven! This is clearly false as outlined in the following scripture:


Revelation 7:9-17


7:9 After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands.
7:10 They were shouting out in a loud voice,
“Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
7:11 And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God,
7:12 saying,
“Amen! Praise and glory,
and wisdom and thanksgiving,
and honor and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These dressed in long white robes – who are they and where have they come from?”
7:14 So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”





Clearly, this multitude is more than 144,000 since it is a number no one can count. In fact, since the number of 200 million is mentioned in Revelation, we can conclude that this multitude is greater that 200 million as well.


They are the ones who have come from the Great Tribulation and their place is before the Throne of God in Heaven.


This multitude does not include the Bride of Christ who is taken up to Heaven before the Great Tribulation even begins. This is another unknown number of people who comprise the Church who is to be Christ's Bride (living and dead at the time of Rapture).
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I knew and was prepared for this..OK

IS THERE NIGHT AND DAY IN HEAVEN? NO THE BIBLE TELLS YOU THAT THE GLORY OF THE FATHER LIGHTS UP THE HEAVENS, THERE IS NO NIGHT.


SO WE HAVE PEOPLE WORSHIPPING DAY AND NIGHT. THAT IS ON EARTH IN THE NEW KINGDOM..

7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
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Is this the promised 72 virgin pickup point? Oh, sorry.
I didn't realize only 144,000 south of the mason-dixon line belief system republicans...don't shoot! I'll redeem my rewards for religious blood-lust elsewhere.
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how strange and short sighted is it to wonder if your human earthly life will continue mostly unchanged when called to reunify with the creator after passing from this dimension.
Will there be icecream? Will there be toilet paper? Will I have to sweep the floor? Will we have servants?
This line of thinking totally misses the point.
Maybe I'm wrong but I dont get the impression that a universal god is a cold calculating lawyer type with endless numbing subparagraphs and codecils and gotcha clauses that can be interpreted in wildly different ways. The most holy concept would be fairly simply understood and is not compulsive slavish automatic obedience to ritual out of fear, but a nurturing forgiveness in the face of earnest desire to advance towards the heart of god the creator, which would be the culmination of forgiveness and effort towards achievement of goals that must be indirect and circuitous by nature, given that lack of any objective and personal interactions with the source.
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and now we end the debate about who goes to heaven.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar:


WTF??? This doesn't end anything because you're completely wrong!!


Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord and believes in the power of his Blood to redeem will be saved.


After this life, there is two destinations. Heaven and Hell. You go to one or the other. Heaven is for those who believe in the Blood of Jesus and Hell is for those who reject him.


The 144,000 are sealed during the tribulation and are given the task of preaching the gospel to the world during this time. What would be the point of preaching the Gospel if, upon its receipt, a person still doesn't go to be with God?


You may be jewish my friend but you speak the words of the devil. Speaking untruth and spewing false teaching.


There is but one way to the Father and that is through the Son.
 Quoting: asparien





it is YOU who are mistaken

and soon you will come to understand just how much

of the firstfruits there are 7000

the number of Gods Election

they are referenced biblically as the "wife"

not the "bride"

there is a vast difference therein

which you will come to understand and know in the last days
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"where did they go?"...............To Denny's for the grand slam breakfast!
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You all are missing the point.....




It's not about the flesh

It's about the spirit.

Only the ones who are reborn in the spirit will see/enter the kingdom of God.


You must be reborn......... in the spirit!



wtf. don't you read the bible?


the kingdom shall be taken from you and given to a nation that renders the fruit in it's season... remember?


The physical Jews aren't the chosen people.....


Only those who have accepted Christ are the chosen people.


Wake up!


It all changed at the cross.



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Luke 23:43 Jesus told the thief on the cross,"Today you will be with me in paradise."

When we are absent from the body,we are present with the Lord.Now that can mean when we die,mortal to taking on immortality to heaven...or on earth when we choose to walk with God we have left sin,(covered with the blood of the Lamb)for God can not abide with sin [link to www.heavendwellers.com]

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