PROOF THAT NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN AS YOU DIE,THE ONLY FIRST FRUITS IN HEAVEN ARE THE 144000 AT THE END TIME

Work on finding out how spirituality works for YOU! Trying to figure it out for the rest of us is FUTILE. That is one of biggest mistakes humans can make and If I were you...I'd stop trying to figure it out for the rest of us. If it helps you to find your spirituality then OK, carry on but lay off your high horse.....the only thing you figured out is how GOD fits into your consciousness.

It's like you finding a key to a lock but it fits a lock in YOUR GARAGE, it won't fit in my lock or anyone else!!!!!

No. It doesn't say that in the Bible.

What's more, God himself disagrees with you.

You need to STOP spreading lies.

It's a common expression of incredulity. You will note that the abbreviated version was used to convey the meaning whilst minimising offence.


I do not deny that the 144,000 will enter heaven as the first-fruits of the Lord. This is clearly shown and cannot be argued against.


What I find distasteful is that you would suggest these are the ONLY ones to enter heaven! This is clearly false as outlined in the following scripture:


Revelation 7:9-17


7:9 After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands.
7:10 They were shouting out in a loud voice,
“Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
7:11 And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God,
7:12 saying,
“Amen! Praise and glory,
and wisdom and thanksgiving,
and honor and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”
7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These dressed in long white robes – who are they and where have they come from?”
7:14 So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”




Clearly, this multitude is more than 144,000 since it is a number no one can count. In fact, since the number of 200 million is mentioned in Revelation, we can conclude that this multitude is greater that 200 million as well.


They are the ones who have come from the Great Tribulation and their place is before the Throne of God in Heaven.


This multitude does not include the Bride of Christ who is taken up to Heaven before the Great Tribulation even begins. This is another unknown number of people who comprise the Church who is to be Christ's Bride (living and dead at the time of Rapture).

ASPARIEN


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I knew this was coming and was prepared for this..OK HERE WE GO EXPLAINING AWAY YOUR FOLLY

IS THERE NIGHT AND DAY IN HEAVEN? NO THE BIBLE TELLS YOU THAT THE GLORY OF THE FATHER LIGHTS UP THE HEAVEN. THERE IS NO SUN IN HEAVEN.ANY ABC STUDENT KNOWS THIS!

SO WE HAVE A VISION OF PEOPLE WORSHIPPING DAY AND NIGHT AND THE SUN WILL NOT BEAT DOWN ON THEM. THAT IS A VISION OF THE MILLENIAL KINGDOM ON EARTH..

READ IT!
7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them.
7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat,
7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


The multitude in he vision was the multitude in the millenial kingdom on earth. Let us look at the vision again

The vision continues from Rev chapter 6 into chp 7 the sixth seal when messiah is in the earths atmosphere AS YOU SEE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH WERE TRYING TO HIDE THERE FACES


12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand

"RIGHT HERE IS WHEN THE MESSIAH MAKES HIS APPEARANCE IN OUR WORLD"

**WE CONTINUE THE 6TH SEAL IN REV. CHP 7.PLEASE FOLLOW CLOSELY WHAT IS UNFOLDING IN THE EARTHS ATMOSPHERE***


1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12
Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Isa 49:10

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Isa 49:10, 25:8

NOW YOU FOLK NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE AND STUDY AND FIRE PASTOR!

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Baby mutilators don't go to heaven.

Show me then if you say it is not..find it inyour bible

That is not my job. It is your job to get right with God. You need to go INSIDE to find your answers.

I thought you had the right answer to the thread seeing that you said it is wrong what revealtion said.I thought you had another bible

I didn't say revelation is wrong. I said your interpretaion is wrong.

But I am done arguing with you. My only wish is for you to find Jesus and be saved. The rest is much less important.

I dont worship your version of of messiah you call JESUS."PLEASE DONT WISH THAT ON ME"

I FOLLOW THE REAL ONE OF THE HEBREWS AND JUDAH "YEHSHAH" THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD EH'YEH ASHER EH'YEH

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That is your choice. That is why God gave us free will.

revelation 7:9

You are preaching against God when you tell people that.

NEVER SAID THAT.I AM SAYING NOBODY ELSE GOES TO HEAVEN BUT THEM 144000 IN THE END TIME AS PER REVELATION 14 AND 11.

ALSO SHOWING THAT ONLY AT THE RESURRECTIOIN IN THE END TIME PEOPLE ARE CAUGHT UP FROM THE GRAVE THERE IS NO PERSON EXCEPT CHRIST AND THE ELDERS IN HEAVEN. THAT IS BIBLICAL FACTS.
All others "THE GREAT MULTITUDE" will inherit the new kingdom on earth at the resurrection.

tHE 144000 IS ISRAEL gODs people and for this purpose he created them to be rulers with him in his temple.

Stop taking something written thousands of years ago and understanding it your way (with previous stuff determined by society) and claiming that it's truth.

144.000 does not mean 144.000 persons exactly.


Please, don't do what has been done for centuries.

CENTURIES OF LIES AND DECEPTION BY YOUR PAGAN INSTITUTIONS WHO REWROTE AND TWISTED THE HOLY ORACLES

My pagan institutions?

Anyways, calm down, I feel like you are yelling at me.
And.. your thread shows a clear misunderstanding.

I like the caps because it is emphasis on what is being said.So many of you take the easy way out to shoe some kinda weakness in the threads.

I do this to people who repetitiously repeat the same silliness with out biblical facts which I do present precept upon precept.

Now if you do have some bible verses that you think needs to be looked at we can discuss this

Yeah I can understand what you want to do with the caps, to emphasize and be better understood, but be careful.. sometimes they will serve the exact opposite purpose.

What I'm trying to do here is not show the weakness, this gives a negative weight to my purposes I believe.. I simply want to show you what I think is the truth.

There's no set number of people that will walk into heaven. 144.000 has a different meaning and it does not mean an exact amount of people.
I don't think I'll get a bible quote to back this up, specially because it's just so obvious in my mind that I don't know where exactly it is on the bible.

Think 12, think 12x12..

Yes and I tell you this.The ignorance we see today is a generation and generations of lies passed down to people since 321ad. The books have been tampered with and people today in the christian world are discouraged and not taught to read the old testament.

If you do not undertand the history of Gods chosen people and the prophecies as messiah clearly rebuked the pharasees for. Then you will never beable to make the association when in fully undertanding the new testament.

YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND THE FACTS.

THE MEN WHO PRESENTED THE NEW TESTAMENT STUDIED FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT..


MESSIAH READ AND TACHED FROM THE TORAH AND THE PROPHETS.


The point I am making here is that there is a gap of missing information and the churches continue to indoctrinate and propell misinformation into this new christian movement with the lies and misrepresentations of scriptures and it is for one purpose.


IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PRECEPTS THAT I LAYED OUT FROM THE BIBLE ..

GET YOUR BIBLE READ THE THREAD FROM THE TOP TO BOTTOM...READ IT LINE BY LINE NOT LIKE I MADE IT UP! YOU WILL SEE BUT IF YOU JUST GLIMPSE AT IT LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING I GAVE MY OPINION ON THEN YOU MISS THE TRUTH.

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truth

Stop putting God in a box! I know He is fully aware of what 'version' of the Bible I have been given...if it was only ONE PAGE, God could make that enough! Stop empowering the powerless prince and his minions...'lies and fear' LOSE in the end!

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We are told to 'seek the truth'...not act like we know it ALL through CAP LOCKS!

you have clearly made up your mind op and it seems like to me that your hard hearted and will never change your opinion or expectation of things to come.sometimes you have to forget everything you think you know and empty yourself of all human expectation and doctrine before you come to the truth.the only thing that is important for you to know is that jesus christ is infact the messiah you wait for.why do you think the bible says they will see the sign of the son of man(the cross in the sky)and will mourn for him as one mourns the death of an only son.you are very mislead my friend,accepting one part of the bible whilst rejecting the saviour thus having not the holy spirit residing in you.your stubburness on these matters will be called to accountabilty by god himself.the 144,000 will be taken during the rapture whilst being replanted on earth in that very same moment.staying on earth and preaching the gospel to the whole earth.these people will not be soiled by the false doctrines of the church and will have the power of god residing in them.they will be transformed into their eternal bodies whilst still living upon the earth.

btw the only ones who go straight to heaven upon death are innocent children,which is why jesus told them suffer not the little children because the kingdom of heaven belongs to them.they need not wait and be judged with everyone else as they are innocent.

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

My path is not the same as your path, and trying to follow each others path will not result in the same ending.

Or, i'd prefer the thread title "Proof that nobody goes to heaven as you die-"

SCRIPTURE AND VERSE PLEASE?

dear neim,i could be a little mixed up with the verses but thats generally what jesus said