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Grenade BURNS sleeping 12 YEAR OLD GIRL as SWAT team raids THE WRONG HOUSE

 
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Brief - Everything ok with this? Just need your words of wisdom to confirm they were doing their job great as usual.
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Brief wont even comment here. He will pretend he never seen it. He doenst like learning he already "knows" everything
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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

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Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


assault with a deadly weapon under color of law, malfeasance, misfeasance. There are several others that I could stack with a little research. But I advise you to do your own research.
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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

 Quoting: s. d. butler


Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle








Breaking and entering
Willful destruction of private property
Endangering a minor
Attempted arson
Conspiracy
Unlawful use of an explosive in the commission of a crime
Use of a firearm in the commission of a crime
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I am sick and tired of these worthless pigs. When are the robocops slated to come online?
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A few teething problems.
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Re: Grenade BURNS sleeping 12 YEAR OLD GIRL as SWAT team raids THE WRONG HOUSE
Yet another terrible outcome which can be blamed on a lack of training... The Officer in this case shouldn't be blamed in this particular incident, the blame should fall squarely on the Department and or the S.W.A.T. Team leader.

Quite often, mistakes are made and a warrant gets served on the wrong house. THIS is a separate mistake and should be investigated fully by the supervisor of the Detectives who wrote the warrant or did the work-up.

2 big mistakes = Big $$$ For the family....
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


This is a pattern we see repeated over and over. Bureaucracies commit crimes and when they are caught blame lack of training.

They get away with that excuse over and over.
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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

 Quoting: s. d. butler


Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle








Breaking and entering
Willful destruction of private property
Endangering a minor
Attempted arson
Conspiracy
Unlawful use of an explosive in the commission of a crime
Use of a firearm in the commission of a crime
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Remember too, that the dad was OPENING THE FRONT DOOR while this was going on!!


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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

 Quoting: s. d. butler


Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


assault with a deadly weapon under color of law, malfeasance, misfeasance. There are several others that I could stack with a little research. But I advise you to do your own research.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


My friend... I don't need to do any research. I was merely asking your opinion.

In order for there to be any Criminal culpability for ANY crimes alleged, there must be intent. (assault with a deadly weapon under color of law in California are specific intent crimes) and Misfeasance is to take inappropriate action or give intentionally incorrect advice. Malfeasance is hostile, aggressive action taken to injure the client's interests. Neither of which is a "crime" in and of themselves... They may be elements of various crimes, however, they are not crimes.

I'm not arguing Civil culpability here.... The Department, the training staff and perhaps the officer himself is facing a hefty lawsuit which WILL win in court.

I'm just trying to set the record straight that, absent any specific intent to harm the occupants of the home, the officers committed no crime.

Last Edited by Travis Bickle on 10/12/2012 06:27 PM
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Yet another terrible outcome which can be blamed on a lack of training... The Officer in this case shouldn't be blamed in this particular incident, the blame should fall squarely on the Department and or the S.W.A.T. Team leader.

Quite often, mistakes are made and a warrant gets served on the wrong house. THIS is a separate mistake and should be investigated fully by the supervisor of the Detectives who wrote the warrant or did the work-up.

2 big mistakes = Big $$$ For the family....
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


This is a pattern we see repeated over and over. Bureaucracies commit crimes and when they are caught blame lack of training.

They get away with that excuse over and over.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Well, in this scenario, it appears to be the biggest issue.

First and foremost, EVERY Trained operator knows, You DO NOT USE A BANG ON A POSSIBLE METH LAB!!!!

Secondly, when you use a Distraction Device, the operator MUST peek the room prior to throwing, or using a bang pole to determine placement and or possible hazards (I.E. A 12 year old sleeping there)

Third of all, You do NOT rely on third party info for intelligence when serving a warrant. It's just stupid! You're bound to get the wrong info.... Not to mention that you have to SWEAR in an affidavit the facts in the case so you can obtain a warrant.

This op was poorly planned, and executed even worse. That blame should rest on the department and the command staff.
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Is there anywhere safe to live from the cops and pedophiles and rapists? America is a very poor and dangerous country and getting worse. Dont they need a search warrent anymore? what happened to that right to live in our home in peace?
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Oh really? They thought the house was a meth lab? And they used a flash bang in it? The cops are complete idiots who should be miles away from firearms and authority. What kind of joke law enforcement agency is that town stuck with?

First, the idiot cop didn't even know how to properly operate a flash-bang; and then second, he used it on a fictional meth lab. Sickening.
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Lmfao, man you hit that shit spot on. More like they were trying blow the whole fuken complex to smithereens.
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What will it take to stop this???
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10/12/2012 06:58 PM
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That family needs a good ACLU-type attorney who will take their case in a contingency manner and sue the sh*t out of the city.

IMHO

machobird
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When the Police are incompetent the tax payers have to cover it.

I understand mistakes are made but they sure have been fucking up on an unprecedented level lately. They have botched several raids lately. Are they doing this on purpose trying to get the masses to riot?


I mean this shit is non stop. Something is fucked up somewhere.....that poor girl....

She should be allowed to throw a flash bang at the cops when they are in a sealed room. See how they fucking like it.
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I worked in props, effects and the art dept. in Hollyweird in the film biz for 14 years. Whenever we used stage guns in interior scenes, even quarter loads in 12 gauges, EVERYONE had to wear ear protection. The concussions from explosions like that cause a lot of pain. Your ears can ring for days. Poor kid. I'm sure she'll be scarred inside more than out.
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Why don't they just go to Lowes and get some spackly and a gallon of paint and let bygones be bygones?
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A 12 year old girl who's gonna be scarred for life all because of some Barney Fifes pretending they were Rambo!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!
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A tragedy for, sure. But at least we can take comfort, knowing all our brave law enforcement officers got to go home safe that day.
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What will it take to stop this???
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A whole bunch of lengthy, bu paid, administrative leaves for our police community?
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SO I read this to my son and he says,,,"You don't want to throw a flash grenade into a meth lab anyway, who the fuck thought that was a good idea?" lols, good point!
WOW what a lunatic thing, my other son said,"we don't even let our military behave like that in Afghanistan, they have to be sensitive, wait and be non aggressive, yet our domestic police with no knock warrants are doing this!" There is no sense!
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when I was a kid people looked up to policemen. They got lots of respect. Today not so much. Were the cops different back then? Or does the media do a better job reporting what they are up to. I think it's the latter.
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They may have believed a Plea bargain, to reduce sentencing for turning in his meth dealer. So he gave a false address. They had no apparent first hand knowledge and became part of the captives plan.

Coconspirators with guns and ... Why use an explosive in a chemically saturated enclosed space, except to kill.

Something smells very bad with that behavior towards possible criminals, as they have not been formally charged..

Like a judgement... With a tried permanent settlement.

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Flashbangs have killed before. They are lucky this girl was not killed.

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Sad. Just sad. Poor family.

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Oh really? They thought the house was a meth lab? And they used a flash bang in it? The cops are complete idiots who should be miles away from firearms and authority. What kind of joke law enforcement agency is that town stuck with?

First, the idiot cop didn't even know how to properly operate a flash-bang; and then second, he used it on a fictional meth lab. Sickening.
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Notwithstanding the danger of flashbangs in a methlab, the Medical Examiner of a city in New York ruled that one department killed a woman when they flashbanged the wrong house and the woman had a fatal heart attack.

These are not non-lethal weapons by any stretch. Allowing their use by FUCKING MORONS is guaranteed to victimize our citizens.
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hopefully they sue the fuck out of the police n can the parents charge the officer with assault with a deadly weapon?
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Brief - Everything ok with this? Just need your words of wisdom to confirm they were doing their job great as usual.
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Ugh! I'm sure this was sarcasm.
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Is there anywhere safe to live from the cops and pedophiles and rapists? America is a very poor and dangerous country and getting worse. Dont they need a search warrent anymore? what happened to that right to live in our home in peace?
 Quoting: MONSTER


You just made me think (duh). I lived in and next to some of the craziest neighborhoods (and some of the best, also) in Los Angeles in the 80' and 90's . I got by fine. Being aware becomes habit (luckily). And now I can honestly say I'm more nervous about the cops. From experience, too, not just reading the news.
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This happened in my home town. I called my sister about it, she said, "Well maybe her parents should not have been drug dealers!" I am so sick to my stomach to see what has become of this country!
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That family needs a good ACLU-type attorney who will take their case in a contingency manner and sue the sh*t out of the city.

IMHO

machobird
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^agreed^

Also, sue the shit out of the agents/officers involved PERSONALLY in civil court. If you bankrupt them...it will hinder their ability to harm innocent children.

Makes me sick...imagine how much damage this has done to a poor child who is taught to TRUST the authorities.
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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

 Quoting: s. d. butler


Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Why do they have to come in the middle of the goddamned night Travis Bickle? Why don't they just come during normal hours? So what if a few manage to flush something. Most won't have the presence of mind to do that. Before they kill someone, why don't they take time to be sure they're in the right place? Since when did the police need SWAT teams to perform police work anyway?
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More reason to hate dirty vile cops

I hope that girl gets 20 million in damages amd the scumbag cops get the sack
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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

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Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
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Why do they have to come in the middle of the goddamned night Travis Bickle? Why don't they just come during normal hours? So what if a few manage to flush something. Most won't have the presence of mind to do that. Before they kill someone, why don't they take time to be sure they're in the right place? Since when did the police need SWAT teams to perform police work anyway?
Thomas Jefferson is turning in his grave so fast he may churn his way out. It's just outrageous what OUR employees are doing to us.
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I have been on MANY entries over the years and I will tell you that the more risky a warrant is, the more likely the police are to use a Tactical team. Many agencies have adopted what is called a "threat matrix" which is pretty much a checklist that the officers use to assess the dangers involved with an operation. (Search warrant, Arrest warrant, Probation/Parole search Etc) It's basic things like Weapons involved, Suspect's have violent criminal history, Drugs
involved, level of sophistication etc.... So, the officer's check off the boxes and they end up with a threat score (for lack of a better term). If that threat score is higher that what ever their department deems safe for a patrol level operation, then a tactical team is used. The reason for this is that Tacticl teams (SWAT/SRT) train together quite often, and have the ability to safely handle very adverse situations. (Ostensibly)

I read through the link and it appears that this department uses a threat matrix like that, which is why their team was used. Meth Labs are a special thing... You need MORE training than a standard SWAT team gets to effectively take down a lab. There are many dangers both explosive and hazardous to general health with the chemicals and such.

It sounds to me like these guys had NO BUSINESS serving this warrant. They should have reached out to DOJ or a regional team who was up to the task. I mean... Flash-Bangs in a possible lab??? Come on.

Now, the reason they come in the middle of the night is to try to catch the suspects un-aware. It's more of a safety issue, rather than a destruction of evidence issue.

If your bad guy is bright eyed and bushy tailed, he may get the drop on you before you even make it through the front yard... Or, even if you surprise him, he may be inclined to fight it out. But, Catch him dead asleep, and he's got to shake the cobwebs out for a second before he can plan an assault. By that time, if you've done your job right, You'll be on him before he can fight and therefore everyone is safer.

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Terrorism, plain and simple. Whatever the justification, the family was terrorized for no reason. I have no respect for terrorists, especially those in uniform.

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