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Grenade BURNS sleeping 12 YEAR OLD GIRL as SWAT team raids THE WRONG HOUSE

 
s. d. butler

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The police committed several felonies in the commission of this crime.

 Quoting: s. d. butler


Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Why do they have to come in the middle of the goddamned night Travis Bickle? Why don't they just come during normal hours? So what if a few manage to flush something. Most won't have the presence of mind to do that. Before they kill someone, why don't they take time to be sure they're in the right place? Since when did the police need SWAT teams to perform police work anyway?
Thomas Jefferson is turning in his grave so fast he may churn his way out. It's just outrageous what OUR employees are doing to us.
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I have been on MANY entries over the years and I will tell you that the more risky a warrant is, the more likely the police are to use a Tactical team. Many agencies have adopted what is called a "threat matrix" which is pretty much a checklist that the officers use to assess the dangers involved with an operation. (Search warrant, Arrest warrant, Probation/Parole search Etc) It's basic things like Weapons involved, Suspect's have violent criminal history, Drugs
involved, level of sophistication etc.... So, the officer's check off the boxes and they end up with a threat score (for lack of a better term). If that threat score is higher that what ever their department deems safe for a patrol level operation, then a tactical team is used. The reason for this is that Tacticl teams (SWAT/SRT) train together quite often, and have the ability to safely handle very adverse situations. (Ostensibly)

I read through the link and it appears that this department uses a threat matrix like that, which is why their team was used. Meth Labs are a special thing... You need MORE training than a standard SWAT team gets to effectively take down a lab. There are many dangers both explosive and hazardous to general health with the chemicals and such.

It sounds to me like these guys had NO BUSINESS serving this warrant. They should have reached out to DOJ or a regional team who was up to the task. I mean... Flash-Bangs in a possible lab??? Come on.

Now, the reason they come in the middle of the night is to try to catch the suspects un-aware. It's more of a safety issue, rather than a destruction of evidence issue.

If your bad guy is bright eyed and bushy tailed, he may get the drop on you before you even make it through the front yard... Or, even if you surprise him, he may be inclined to fight it out. But, Catch him dead asleep, and he's got to shake the cobwebs out for a second before he can plan an assault. By that time, if you've done your job right, You'll be on him before he can fight and therefore everyone is safer.

peace
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Sounds like the decision making matrix we used during mission planning. It somehow almost always came out the way we wanted to do it anyway.


And of course you have already said that the affidavit had to be sworn to. Sounds like someone committed perjury. Which I am reasonably sure is a felony.

Most people know about the ooda loop as the tactical tool at use here.

These raids are now common. And increasingly result in the abuse and murder of innocent people and dogs. This militarization of police is way out of control.


The excuse making is getting very thin on the ground for people to continue to give the benefit of the doubt to police.

Police commit crimes everyday and get away with them. Many people have unwittingly committed a crime and were sent to jail. They had no intent to commit a crime but were convicted anyway.

Not so for the praetorians though. Different standard.

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BRIEF!!!!


Explain how this is okay!!!!
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Oh really? What Felonies? Just curious...
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Why do they have to come in the middle of the goddamned night Travis Bickle? Why don't they just come during normal hours? So what if a few manage to flush something. Most won't have the presence of mind to do that. Before they kill someone, why don't they take time to be sure they're in the right place? Since when did the police need SWAT teams to perform police work anyway?
Thomas Jefferson is turning in his grave so fast he may churn his way out. It's just outrageous what OUR employees are doing to us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25459659


I have been on MANY entries over the years and I will tell you that the more risky a warrant is, the more likely the police are to use a Tactical team. Many agencies have adopted what is called a "threat matrix" which is pretty much a checklist that the officers use to assess the dangers involved with an operation. (Search warrant, Arrest warrant, Probation/Parole search Etc) It's basic things like Weapons involved, Suspect's have violent criminal history, Drugs
involved, level of sophistication etc.... So, the officer's check off the boxes and they end up with a threat score (for lack of a better term). If that threat score is higher that what ever their department deems safe for a patrol level operation, then a tactical team is used. The reason for this is that Tacticl teams (SWAT/SRT) train together quite often, and have the ability to safely handle very adverse situations. (Ostensibly)

I read through the link and it appears that this department uses a threat matrix like that, which is why their team was used. Meth Labs are a special thing... You need MORE training than a standard SWAT team gets to effectively take down a lab. There are many dangers both explosive and hazardous to general health with the chemicals and such.

It sounds to me like these guys had NO BUSINESS serving this warrant. They should have reached out to DOJ or a regional team who was up to the task. I mean... Flash-Bangs in a possible lab??? Come on.

Now, the reason they come in the middle of the night is to try to catch the suspects un-aware. It's more of a safety issue, rather than a destruction of evidence issue.

If your bad guy is bright eyed and bushy tailed, he may get the drop on you before you even make it through the front yard... Or, even if you surprise him, he may be inclined to fight it out. But, Catch him dead asleep, and he's got to shake the cobwebs out for a second before he can plan an assault. By that time, if you've done your job right, You'll be on him before he can fight and therefore everyone is safer.

peace
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Sounds like the decision making matrix we used during mission planning. It somehow almost always came out the way we wanted to do it anyway.


And of course you have already said that the affidavit had to be sworn to. Sounds like someone committed perjury. Which I am reasonably sure is a felony.

Most people know about the ooda loop as the tactical tool at use here.

These raids are now common. And increasingly result in the abuse and murder of innocent people and dogs. This militarization of police is way out of control.


The excuse making is getting very thin on the ground for people to continue to give the benefit of the doubt to police.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Actually in Law Enforcement, Boyd's OODA Loop is far from commonly known and used in planning or ops even less. Which is why there's such a disconnect at times with some of these incidents. Mind you... I'm not excusing it. I think this was fucked from the get-go. I was simply addressing the question as it was posed.
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Retards in uniform.
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10/12/2012 10:17 PM

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Another group of idiots who cannot read addresses. I wonder.. can they pick any cops dumber than the ones they have to send to the academy. You get idiots when you pick idiots for training.
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More American cops
Terrorists with badges
hurting innocent Americans
Makes me sick
Shtf going to be different they'll be
Held accountable
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