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The United Nations (UN) and its splinter groups such as the World Health Organization (WHO) have been encroaching upon our rights and freedoms and now they are trying to foist world taxes upon us and gain control the Internet.

US ambassador: Internet fee proposal gaining momentum

U.S. Ambassador Terry Kramer warned on Friday that a proposal to give a United Nations agency more control over the Internet is gaining momentum in other countries.

Proposals to expand the U.N.'s International Telecommunications Union's (ITU) authority over the Internet could come up at a treaty conference in Dubai in December. European telecommunications companies are pushing a plan that would create new rules that would allow them to charge more to carry international traffic.

[link to thehill.com]
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So they want to tax you and I to use the internet so they can lay more dark fiber in third world countries so the big wigs can hand no bid contracts to telecommunication companies that are owned/vested by the same people who will vote yes on this tax.

Because the U.S. military who developed all this tech in the first place with the U.S. tax dollar for post nuclear war communication was kind enough to share it free with the rest of the world, they will now have us all pay another tax on something we all already were taxed to develop!

Make sense right? Because we shared the tech with the rest of the world free, we should be taxed on it now and trust the UN with the tax money because they know better than us all.

We need to wake up not lie down and take it.


Think about it, the people running the UN are obviously not rich enough yet and they never lie or fleece the people of the world.

Just because the last Secretary-general of the UN plead guilty to political corruption and resigned after 8 years does not mean anything right?

After all the UN is the savior of the world and the million dead in Rwanda need the internet now that the UN saved them right?


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This is the equivalent of you building your own private road, then the government comes in and charges your clients with taxes for driving on your own road.
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Time to place limits on our elected corupt officials....THEM and NOT the UN. the UN can't do anything unless they let them.
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So they want to tax you and I to use the internet so they can lay more dark fiber in third world countries so the big wigs can hand no bid contracts to telecommunication companies that are owned/vested by the same people who will vote yes on this tax.

Because the U.S. military who developed all this tech in the first place with the U.S. tax dollar for post nuclear war communication was kind enough to share it free with the rest of the world, they will now have us all pay another tax on something we all already were taxed to develop!

Make sense right? Because we shared the tech with the rest of the world free, we should be taxed on it now and trust the UN with the tax money because they know better than us all.

We need to wake up not lie down and take it.


Think about it, the people running the UN are obviously not rich enough yet and they never lie or fleece the people of the world.

Just because the last Secretary-general of the UN plead guilty to political corruption and resigned after 8 years does not mean anything right?

After all the UN is the savior of the world and the million dead in Rwanda need the internet now that the UN saved them right?


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This^^

Plus I was thinking, exactly WHO gets the collected money?
What does that then get used for? How do we really know that's how and what it is all spent on? ...I mean not like the GOV hasn't tried to tell us they spent 100k on a toilet seat ..right?
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Time to call and write your elected congress and senate representatives and tell them to put a stop to this. We invented the technology.
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It's like the Mob. They want a slice of everything $$$$ for your protection.
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un the UN


un-
1  


a prefix meaning “not,” freely used as an English formative, giving negative or opposite force in adjectives and their derivative adverbs and nouns ( unfair; unfairly; unfairness; unfelt; unseen; unfitting; unformed; unheard-of; un-get-at-able ), and less freely used in certain other nouns ( unrest; unemployment ).

[link to dictionary.reference.com]
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The US doesn't have to sign the treaty and can impose tariffs on data from foreign countries, the use of US based telecommunication systems.

They'll beg for an open internet.
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America is happy to laws to the rest of the world, yet they dont seem to like it when they are told what to do.

Double standards perhaps?
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America is happy to laws to the rest of the world, yet they dont seem to like it when they are told what to do.

Double standards perhaps?
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They are all 'united' in their goals at the UN. The rest is just acting their parts.
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America is happy to laws to the rest of the world, yet they dont seem to like it when they are told what to do.

Double standards perhaps?
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You will be paying this internet tax also, along with other taxes if they get their way.




Hate to tell you, the UK one of 5 with veto power in the UN.

The UN is using the UK for their defense and your leaders do not veto it either.

They will continue to use your military and ours at our tax payer expense.

You are in the same spot as the U.S. and we both are not vetoing crap lately.

We are letting the UN dictate how we use both our military for their sole benefit at our cost.

But even if “we” who founded the UN pull out now it is too late, China, Russia and France will not pull out.


France is making a killing and raking in money with the UN & China and Russia use it only for their benefit to cost you and I money making both our countries look bad in the processes.

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America is happy to laws to the rest of the world, yet they dont seem to like it when they are told what to do.

Double standards perhaps?
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That's usually the case with an "EMPIRE"!
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America is happy to laws to the rest of the world, yet they dont seem to like it when they are told what to do.

Double standards perhaps?
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What "laws"?
Anybody who wants to give money to the UN is nutsd, plain and simple, this organization needs to be abolished now.
And don't get too big an idea of urself, the US couldnt
care less about a former "empire" whose main industry is
now trading used cars to each other, and is overrun with
muslims
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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Why is the United Nations trying different doors to create world taxes to be paid to them in my opinion it is to further their goal of disarmament at all levels.

Freedom From War
The United States Program
for General and Complete
Disarmament in a Peaceful
World

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277
Disarmament Series 5
Released September 1961

U.N. peace-keeping powers would be strengthened:

Measures would be taken to develop and strengthen United Nations arrangements for arbitration, for the development of international law, and for the establishment in Stage II of a permanent U.N. Peace Force.

An International Disarmament Organization would be established for effective verification of the disarmament program:

Its functions would be expanded progressively as disarmament proceeds.

It would certify to all states that agreed reductions have taken place and that retained forces and armaments do not exceed permitted levels.

It would determine the transition from one stage to the next.

[link to www.sweetliberty.org]

Globalist Plan to Disarm America:

PL87-297 Arms Control and Disarmament Act /
State Department Publication No.7277
Globalist Plan to Disarm America:

[link to www.sweetliberty.org]

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America is happy to laws to the rest of the world, yet they dont seem to like it when they are told what to do.

Double standards perhaps?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9094168


America does not create laws for other countries if anything the United States, Great Britain and others have been playing the part for the United Nations.
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Obama loves the UN so we're screwed.....
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The Republicans will put a stop to it, since we pay most of the bill for the U.N. in the first place.

The others have to get out of Office and just do it to yourselves, not to others.
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Blue helmets...good targets
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Doesn't the US still have their veto power?
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This is the equivalent of you building your own private road, then the government comes in and charges your clients with taxes for driving on your own road.
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that, unfortunately , has always been the case.
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Doesn't the US still have their veto power?
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Yes, but realize that veto power is part of the UN security council under chapter V of the UN charter.

There is no way Susan Rice will use her power as representative of the US to the security council to veto this.

Her father ran the Federal Reserve and her mother is in charge of education policy at Brookings Institute, she was breed for this.


Even though some of us see this for what it is, an attack on the sovereignty of every country in the world, the Security Council will not veto it.
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If you think this will not affect you read it twice.

Article; The United Nations is considering a new Internet tax targeting the largest Web content providers, including Google, Facebook, Apple, and Netflix, that could cripple their ability to reach users in developing nations.

The European proposal, offered for debate at a December meeting of a U.N. agency called the International Telecommunication Union, would amend an existing telecommunications treaty by imposing heavy costs on popular Web sites and their network providers for the privilege of serving non-U.S. users, according to newly leaked documents.

The documents (No. 1 No. 2) punctuate warnings that the Obama administration and Republican members of Congress raised last week about how secret negotiations at the ITU over an international communications treaty could result in a radical re-engineering of the Internet ecosystem and allow governments to monitor or restrict their citizens' online activities.


[link to news.cnet.com]

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Obama loves the UN so we're screwed.....
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You are correct the United Nations use obama as their puppet and he willingly tried to sell out Americans with the Cap and Trade bill .

OBAMA & THE UN: AGENDA 21
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You guys are concerned about the internet???? The UN has been wanting a GLOBAL TAX for YEARS......using ANY excuse they can.

"Taxation without representation" folks? That's what started the American Revolution, people!
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You guys are concerned about the internet???? The UN has been wanting a GLOBAL TAX for YEARS......using ANY excuse they can.

"Taxation without representation" folks? That's what started the American Revolution, people!
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No that was just one of the listed causes and not near the top of the list in the Declaration of Independence.

Probably much more important was the refusal to let the Colonies coin their own money.

I've always wondered about the "without representation". How much representation do you usually get anyway? Are taxes ever put up for revote by referendum, with the option that people can just end them all and start over? Taxation is always more or less without representation, it seems to me.
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lol sureeee like the american people would allow such a thing.
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It seems their intention is to spike us and piss us off enough so that we have no choice but to fight back.

Is this the next step after divide and conquer?

Are TPTB just as hopeful to popular revolution as we are of doom?

Is this motivated then by our natural response to sabotage our existence when things don't go as planned?

damned
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lol sureeee like the american people would allow such a thing.
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What can they do when our congress can not even have a say about what the UN decides?

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lol sureeee like the american people would allow such a thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015009


What can they do when our congress can not even have a say about what the UN decides?


 Quoting: _2 swords_


Great find.

Our greatest power over the United Nations is through funding this power hungry organization and of course, the United States spends the most on this organization.

There is some glimmer of hope from the United Kingdom and the United States, at least the Congressional branch is fed up by the United Nations power grab.


Glimmer of hope links:

Republicans to Unveil Bill to Force Major Changes at the UN

House Republicans introduced legislation today that seeks to force major changes at the United Nations, using as leverage the threat to withhold some of the U.S.’s 22 percent contribution to the world body’s operating budget.

The bill by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the Republican chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, would demand that the UN let countries decide how much to pay and which programs they will support, rather than assessing payments based on a formula. It would end funding for Palestinian refugees, limit use of U.S. funds to only purposes outlined by Congress and put a hold on creating or expanding peacekeeping operations until management changes are made.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

UK Pulls United Nations Funding In Move US Hopefully Will Follow

Critics of U.S. spending on the United Nations got a huge boost—and supporters of that spending, especially the Obama Administration, took a body blow—from an unlikely source this week: the British government, long one of the U.N.’s staunchest supporters.

In a sweeping and hard-nosed reorganization of priorities for its $10.6 billion multilateral foreign aid program, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government of Prime Minister David Cameron has pulled the financial plug entirely on four U.N. agencies at the end of next year, put three others judged merely “adequate” on notice that they could face the same fate unless they improve their performance “as a matter of absolute urgency;” and issued pointed criticisms of almost all the rest.

[link to patdollard.com]

Republicans Advance Bill Targeting US Funding for UN: ‘What Are We Paying For?’

A U.S. House committee Thursday approved a bill linking U.S. contributions to the United Nations to significant financial and other reforms, one day after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned she would recommend that President Obama veto the measure if it reaches his desk.

Deeply divided along party lines, the House Foreign Relations Committee voted 23-15 for the U.N. Transparency, Accountability, and Reform Act (H.R. 2829), whose most radical provision aims to force the U.N. to change its funding mechanism from the current system of “assessed” contributions to voluntary ones.

[link to cnsnews.com]


Read about the pompous United Nations goals:

About Our 2011 UN Funding Campaign
[link to m.globalsolutions.org]

U.S. Funding of the United Nations Reaches All-Time High

U.S. Funding of the U.N. System

The U.S. has been the largest financial supporter of the U.N. since the organization’s founding in 1945. The U.S. is currently assessed 22 percent of the U.N. regular budget and more than 27 percent of the U.N. peacekeeping budget. In dollar terms, the Administration’s budget for FY 2011 requested $516.3 million for the U.N. regular budget and more than $2.182 billion for the peacekeeping budget

[link to www.heritage.org]

Also, note the United Nations wants control of “Global Warming” hence Cap and Trade:

About Climate Change
[link to m.globalsolutions.org]
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US developed or not, it's not just a US thing. It's a usage for the whole world and has been improved/upgraded/whatever by them. Make of that statement whatever you will.

As for fees; it's going to eventually happen, UN or not. The only question is, is who's eventually going to collect the fee? This should be the discussion. It needs to get sorted before someone take control/fees that we don't want to.

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