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IS IT POSSIBLE NOT TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANY COUNTRY WHAT SO EVER?

 
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10/13/2012 12:16 PM
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IS IT POSSIBLE NOT TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANY COUNTRY WHAT SO EVER?
i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
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10/13/2012 12:34 PM
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Re: IS IT POSSIBLE NOT TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANY COUNTRY WHAT SO EVER?
serious question! please help
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10/13/2012 12:35 PM
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south pole. bring a jacket.
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10/13/2012 12:39 PM
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If you are born on a certain side of an imaginary line, the taking of your first breath demonstrates your informed and wilful lifelong consent to a "contract" that stipulates that you will give of your labour, resources, mind and body whatever will be demanded by the state, upon pain of death. Because, you know, you are anti-social and savage in a state of nature, and we need to do this in order to have civilization and peace. The government owns you for life, bud.
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10/13/2012 12:41 PM
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For all practical purposes, no, it is not possible.

Unless you want to live in an airport transit lounge for years.

damned
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10/13/2012 12:43 PM
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If you are born on a certain side of an imaginary line, the taking of your first breath demonstrates your informed and wilful lifelong consent to a "contract" that stipulates that you will give of your labour, resources, mind and body whatever will be demanded by the state, upon pain of death. Because, you know, you are anti-social and savage in a state of nature, and we need to do this in order to have civilization and peace. The government owns you for life, bud.
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It's the PEOPLE that make the Government. What if everyone decided to 'stop working' That Government wont last long.
Anonymous Coward
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10/13/2012 12:45 PM
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No, the Government was given or bought the land, and you would be trespassing and probably thrown in jail if not complying to be a citizen somewhere.

Duh!??
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10/13/2012 01:02 PM
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It would be easy to do, if you were serious about it. Buy a sailboat, stock it and set sail for one of the many uninhabited islands out there. Of course, you would really be on your own. Nobody to help you if you discover monsters are real in the night, or that aliens really do exist, etc.
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10/13/2012 01:04 PM
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That's always been my fantasy...to sail off to an uninhabited island and never see another human being again.
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10/13/2012 01:04 PM
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It would be easy to do, if you were serious about it. Buy a sailboat, stock it and set sail for one of the many uninhabited islands out there. Of course, you would really be on your own. Nobody to help you if you discover monsters are real in the night, or that aliens really do exist, etc.
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if i had the means i would have already done it
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10/13/2012 01:10 PM
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It would be easy to do, if you were serious about it. Buy a sailboat, stock it and set sail for one of the many uninhabited islands out there. Of course, you would really be on your own. Nobody to help you if you discover monsters are real in the night, or that aliens really do exist, etc.
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if i had the means i would have already done it
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You can always make it your goal. I think I've become too trapped at this point, but the thought of the solitude is pleasant.
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10/13/2012 01:27 PM
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Re: IS IT POSSIBLE NOT TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANY COUNTRY WHAT SO EVER?
Why do ask?
Is it a rhetorical question?
Is it to plant an idea ?
And the phrasing-- might one also ask,
"Is it possible to be a sovereign entity ?"
Can it be, that if you can imagine it, then it is possible?
And what is the undiscovered country?
Is it the sovereign entity inside ourselves?
Can we reclaim our selves?

How?

Is 'how' the question?
Every question has an answer

But first...we must ask the question
WHO DARES TO ASK, to do the work, to discover, and
to claim sovereignty of the undiscovered country?
Anonymous Coward
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10/13/2012 01:36 PM
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Yes, it is possible.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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10/13/2012 01:44 PM
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Yes, it is possible.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Thats some good info,thanks
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10/13/2012 06:19 PM
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Yes, it is possible.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Thats some good info,thanks
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You're welcome.
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10/13/2012 06:24 PM
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Re: IS IT POSSIBLE NOT TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANY COUNTRY WHAT SO EVER?
i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
 Quoting: DPS


Of course it is possible. Countries were invented to control the peasant masses. If you are high enough in the ranks of the elite, then you are not a member of any country.
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10/13/2012 06:35 PM
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Nothing connects you to a citizenship but your own admission of such.

This bullshit that being born somewhere somehow places you into indentured servitude to some group of controlling men or women is utterly laughable.

No human is born knowing where, when or how they got here. It is the indoctrination of adults telling them where they are and who they owe allegiance that is the LIE.

I defy any fucking Government official to PROVE where or when I was born, and no, I am not giving you any information, not a fucking name, not an address, nothing, if you cannot prove it without me telling you, then you cannot prove it at all.

You wanna be free OP? Yet you claim you have "dual citizenship" well, that is your first hurdle to being free, you cannot even keep your mouth shut and you LIE about the facts.

Fact, you do not know where you were born. Fact, you do not know when.

Stop telling lies and you will have taken your first step to freedom.
s. d. butler

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10/13/2012 06:37 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
 Quoting: DPS


I don't know about israeli but you can renounce american citizenship. Quite a few people have done so. There is at least one or two blogs by individuals who have taken that path.

It is a long process and you have to pay them.
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10/13/2012 06:41 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
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if you got a boat to stay in international waters all the time or most of the time it should be possible to actually belong to nobody or so i would think. likewise if you were living on the moon or deep inside the earth and could prove it you would be able to declare yourself an independent
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10/13/2012 06:42 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
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I don't know about israeli but you can renounce american citizenship. Quite a few people have done so. There is at least one or two blogs by individuals who have taken that path.

It is a long process and you have to pay them.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Pay them? For what? I have no responsibility to "renounce" something that cannot be proven to be mine in the first place.

What the hell is a "US" anyway?

I am a free man, I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
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10/13/2012 06:46 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
 Quoting: DPS


if you got a boat to stay in international waters all the time or most of the time it should be possible to actually belong to nobody or so i would think. likewise if you were living on the moon or deep inside the earth and could prove it you would be able to declare yourself an independent
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Prove what? Papers do not "prove" shit. People use false ID every day, papers with printing on them does not "prove" anything.

IT is YOU that steps up and claims a piece of paper as being YOU or YOURS.

Its not yours, hundreds or thousands of people share names, so no name is 'YOURS'.

The level of self deception is staggering, people are stupid cows not even capable of reason and telling the truth, no wonder we are enslaved.
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
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I don't know about israeli but you can renounce american citizenship. Quite a few people have done so. There is at least one or two blogs by individuals who have taken that path.

It is a long process and you have to pay them.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Pay them? For what? I have no responsibility to "renounce" something that cannot be proven to be mine in the first place.

What the hell is a "US" anyway?

I am a free man, I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


I just explained the process in a legal sense. In other words what the gubmint says.

You can be free in your heart but if you are numbered, carry gubmint I.D. and pay taxes you are hardly free.
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10/13/2012 06:48 PM

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Yes, but you must declare yourself as your own autonomous country, and then seek asylum at your local mental hospital.
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10/13/2012 06:49 PM
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only your parents can do that when you are first born.

I have dual british/australian.


I have met another with same who legally claims pensions from both countries, so there are some benefits.
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10/13/2012 06:56 PM
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Sea gypsies belong to no country
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10/13/2012 07:00 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
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There are lots of stateless people. You would not want to be stateless, it is very inconvenient. I have a sister-in-law who was stateless until Canada took her in.
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10/13/2012 07:30 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
 Quoting: DPS


I don't know about israeli but you can renounce american citizenship. Quite a few people have done so. There is at least one or two blogs by individuals who have taken that path.

It is a long process and you have to pay them.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Pay them? For what? I have no responsibility to "renounce" something that cannot be proven to be mine in the first place.

What the hell is a "US" anyway?

I am a free man, I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334


I just explained the process in a legal sense. In other words what the gubmint says.

You can be free in your heart but if you are numbered, carry gubmint I.D. and pay taxes you are hardly free.
 Quoting: s. d. butler

No ID, no numbers and no income tax, I do, however pay other taxes sales tax, etc.

I have no birth certificate and never have had one.

Guess I am free.
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10/13/2012 07:34 PM
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i have an israeli and american citizenships... is it possible to give both of them up?

and be a free man?!
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There are lots of stateless people. You would not want to be stateless, it is very inconvenient. I have a sister-in-law who was stateless until Canada took her in.
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Stateless? How can anyone be stateless? The STATE is a creation of people, people are not creations of States.

People have rights not granted by the any State. Those nations who protect those rights do not need the man or woman to prove their Nationality, they are sworn by oath to protect the rights enumerated or not in their laws.
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10/13/2012 07:45 PM
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You pay to be born, pay to "live", and then pay to die in this world.

And people have the nerve to say we aren't enslaved wtf
i get on this site... way too much
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No, the Government was given or bought the land, and you would be trespassing and probably thrown in jail if not complying to be a citizen somewhere.

Duh!??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4436859


"The Government" does not exist, except in your mind.
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10/13/2012 08:09 PM
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I've always wondered what it would be like if a bunch of people got together and decided to build a floating city, that was it's own soverign nation.

Obviously the thing would have to be very large and built to sustain violent storms and would have to have hydroponic farms, electricity generated via windmill and what not, water treatment/desalinization facilities. The startup costs would be expensive as well as maintenence but if you built it near a shipping lane the potential to make money back via trade and taxes is there.

Would be an interesting concept.

Kinda like water world but without the world having flooded hehe5a

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