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the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]

 
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10/13/2012 01:55 PM
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the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
starting- i just got home. i promise i will post later on more info as i study this.

my art teacher is always ranting about the "killers" of technique and the "assasination" of the best oil formulas that ever existed.

yesterday he told us that one of the portuguese "houses" in the fifties that used to make paint [varela, but im not sure about the name] had the same fate as the other paintmakers from germany he talked about before: he got his house, store and studio pillaged and destroyed (formulas went missing) and, althoug he still knew how to make paint, he parted himself with the trade because, as my teacher said he told him, "they didn't want me to make good paint, i kept making it and look where i am now, they won".

that's the first time i adressed this. i never listened much to his rant because he's a bit nuts, but after he talked about the portuguese paintmaker's fate and what he told him i started to remember all the histories that he used to tell us about germanic paintmakers also being "taken down".


supposedly, fifty years ago u had formulas that allowed you to keep the paint fresh and workable on canvas for as long as 5 MONTHS with the same body as today's top oils, who only stay open for 9-12 days w/out adding more oil and loosing body. wich takes away alot of techniques that resided on time. they were all "destroyed" or hidden..

anyone can adress this subject? was/is oil technique under a conspiration? i am in the process of gathering information on this to post later today or maybe tomorrow, german glpers with knowledge about paintmaking know anything similar to this happening there?
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10/13/2012 02:26 PM
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Re: the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
bump for discussion. art related glpers please make input
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10/13/2012 02:31 PM
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Re: the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
It is all about greed.
I paint, and the quality of oil based paint has gone down unless you want to spend alot of $$ for a tube. The more it costs the smoother, better oil paint you get. Also, my oils dry pretty quickly now, not like 20 yrs ago when I could re-work a painting before it dried.
No conspiracy, just greed. Lots of money in paint. Brushes are expensive too.
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10/13/2012 03:10 PM
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Re: the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
It is all about greed.
I paint, and the quality of oil based paint has gone down unless you want to spend alot of $$ for a tube. The more it costs the smoother, better oil paint you get. Also, my oils dry pretty quickly now, not like 20 yrs ago when I could re-work a painting before it dried.
No conspiracy, just greed. Lots of money in paint. Brushes are expensive too.
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yes, in america i do recall that there's an art shop making good oils(by the rep i see arounf), but there is no oil that supposedly does that open window of time. heck, i've been into some tubes of old holland and they are just a lil more open (depending on pigments) than talens rembrant line, and i kept buying rembr. bcoz i get 50% discount.

so, how do i get to a good oil that keeps open more time? i'm just rediscovering that adding a bit of walnut refined oil to my rembrants keeps them more open than the same quantity of linen oil, as strange as it may seem. as so, i do find that i can get more ratio of body/openess with walnut. i wonder what other oils went missing from the formulations, as it's the main thing keeping pigments workable and wet.

of course you have other ingredients, but i believe the secret lies in the mixture of oils. some mixes have their unique trait if blended well. i need to work with more oils, as i find rather strange that you have such large quantity of poppy oil and other brittle oils around and no walnut or mixes in art stores. it's just weird that they don't do mixing in regard to the veichle of paint, as most of the formulas do involve mixing.

cmon people, discuss hiding
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10/13/2012 03:12 PM
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Re: the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
btw i did made my paint but quitted due to time lost. it's fucking unbelieavable the hours u spend with each colour if u want good results.. rather spend time on my works.
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10/13/2012 03:29 PM
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Re: the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
Also, so many artists are now using the computer with some great art programs and are not using traditional methods. The oil paint manufacturers are losing $$ so they are finding ways to make it up. Sad really, it is an ancient art form, the creating of paint. Keep experimenting. Painting with oils and gouche and acrylic is my therapy, I will never give it up and turn to the computer to create my art. Tho, the artists on teh computer do make some beuatiful art. peace
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10/13/2012 04:02 PM
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Re: the oil paint conspiracy [art conspiracy]
Also, so many artists are now using the computer with some great art programs and are not using traditional methods. The oil paint manufacturers are losing $$ so they are finding ways to make it up. Sad really, it is an ancient art form, the creating of paint. Keep experimenting. Painting with oils and gouche and acrylic is my therapy, I will never give it up and turn to the computer to create my art. Tho, the artists on teh computer do make some beuatiful art. peace
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Same here.

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