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Breaking Euro Zone! Man burns himself alive in front of German Reichstag!!!

 
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Never underestimate the will of all important people involved to keep the current system going.
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If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
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it WILL eventually happen
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Someday. But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.

But certainly in the next two weeks nothing will happen.
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And for what reason would that be.. remember that we are past peak oil.. This is the reason for the economic problems, and unless someone comes up with a new energy source.. things wont get better
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And I thought we had a debt crisis.
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For all those IDIOTS that think money printing is some king of magical solution :

When the the mass of printed (electronicaly) will become CRITICAL (due to those money not being backed by ANYTHING-gold, oil, workforce, production, salt, bread, whatever you want), the prices will jump 100% A DAY, and, guess what, THE SALARIES will NOT!

Now, while it SEEMS that printing money is ok, because, YES, printing 0.1% new money is relatively healthy (in CERTAIN type of economies), printing TRILLIONS of euros or dollars that are NOT ABSORBED by the economy pile up in banks.The banks MUST "get rid of those money" (loans), otherwise those bank go puff.

Since the banks CANNOT loan, because people and bussinesses do NOT BORROW in crisis, you got the perfect shitstorm.Lots of money in banks = INFLATION.

Shitstorm that is, guess what...INEVITABLE.


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Never underestimate the will of all important people involved to keep the current system going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
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How do you figure that? What is different now, than 1 year ago, when everyone already said the same?
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For all those IDIOTS that think money printing is some king of magical solution :

When the the mass of printed (electronicaly) will become CRITICAL (due to those money not being backed by ANYTHING-gold, oil, workforce, production, salt, bread, whatever you want), the prices will jump 100% A DAY, and, guess what, THE SALARIES will NOT!

Now, while it SEEMS that printing money is ok, because, YES, printing 0.1% new money is relatively healthy (in CERTAIN type of economies), printing TRILLIONS of euros or dollars that are NOT ABSORBED by the economy pile up in banks.The banks MUST "get rid of those money" (loans), otherwise those bank go puff.

Since the banks CANNOT loan, because people and bussinesses do NOT BORROW in crisis, you got the perfect shitstorm.Lots of money in banks = INFLATION.

Shitstorm that is, guess what...INEVITABLE.


5a
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Banks cant go poof if noone wants them too. The rules can be changed at will and central banks can give them everything that is necessary to keep them afloat.
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Remember what started the Tunisia revolution. I bet they claimed his motive was non-political aswell back then.
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The west will never revolt against their rulers
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it WILL eventually happen
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Someday. But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.

But certainly in the next two weeks nothing will happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


probably not in the next 2 weeks no, but it WILL happen, because just how do economies get better? by wishful thinking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


The german economy for example has been remarkable good during the last 3 years. Noone expected that. Sometimes economies get back on feet. It just happens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


i cant believe you choose the one economy that is doing ok, given all the crap going on. and why? because the euro IS the mark. germany is the only country to benefit from this deathtrap of an arrangement that benefits germany and sucks the life from the other less powerful economies

thats just basic facts


there is no way ever that the likes of greece could ever be on a par with germany, and thats ok. if every country was on a par with germany, germany wouldnt be doing quite so well

whats not ok is thinking that a bunch of very differing economies will fall into line with the best performers and everyone be the same
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Never underestimate the will of all important people involved to keep the current system going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
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How do you figure that?
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I recommend you try common sense for once.
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Never underestimate the will of all important people involved to keep the current system going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


yes, this is obvious
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Someday. But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.

But certainly in the next two weeks nothing will happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


probably not in the next 2 weeks no, but it WILL happen, because just how do economies get better? by wishful thinking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


The german economy for example has been remarkable good during the last 3 years. Noone expected that. Sometimes economies get back on feet. It just happens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


i cant believe you choose the one economy that is doing ok, given all the crap going on. and why? because the euro IS the mark. germany is the only country to benefit from this deathtrap of an arrangement that benefits germany and sucks the life from the other less powerful economies

thats just basic facts


there is no way ever that the likes of greece could ever be on a par with germany, and thats ok. if every country was on a par with germany, germany wouldnt be doing quite so well

whats not ok is thinking that a bunch of very differing economies will fall into line with the best performers and everyone be the same
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


All of nothern european economies are doing good. And the Euro has nothing to do with it. Germany is not doing good because Greece is bancrupt. Thats absurd.
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Never underestimate the will of all important people involved to keep the current system going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


How do you figure that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


I recommend you try common sense for once.
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All I see is a political class that will go to the extremes and break all rules if neceassary. If there are no rules than the system cant collapse. If they need money, they'll print it, its that easy.
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probably not in the next 2 weeks no, but it WILL happen, because just how do economies get better? by wishful thinking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


The german economy for example has been remarkable good during the last 3 years. Noone expected that. Sometimes economies get back on feet. It just happens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


i cant believe you choose the one economy that is doing ok, given all the crap going on. and why? because the euro IS the mark. germany is the only country to benefit from this deathtrap of an arrangement that benefits germany and sucks the life from the other less powerful economies

thats just basic facts


there is no way ever that the likes of greece could ever be on a par with germany, and thats ok. if every country was on a par with germany, germany wouldnt be doing quite so well

whats not ok is thinking that a bunch of very differing economies will fall into line with the best performers and everyone be the same
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


All of nothern european economies are doing good. And the Euro has nothing to do with it. Germany is not doing good because Greece is bancrupt. Thats absurd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


germany leant cheap to the likes of greece so they would buy their cars

granted, the north of the eu is doing better, but thats just an extrapolation of the german/greece situation

north/south divide

the two areas simply should never have been shackled together

nobody should have been shackled together - the eu is ANTI democratic, its fiscal system is the cause of mass unrest

even german people are aware of this - not yourself though, apparently
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So I'm guessing I'm the only one that can't stop laughing after reading the chrome translation of the article title:
"man lightens up before parliment"
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The german economy for example has been remarkable good during the last 3 years. Noone expected that. Sometimes economies get back on feet. It just happens.
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i cant believe you choose the one economy that is doing ok, given all the crap going on. and why? because the euro IS the mark. germany is the only country to benefit from this deathtrap of an arrangement that benefits germany and sucks the life from the other less powerful economies

thats just basic facts


there is no way ever that the likes of greece could ever be on a par with germany, and thats ok. if every country was on a par with germany, germany wouldnt be doing quite so well

whats not ok is thinking that a bunch of very differing economies will fall into line with the best performers and everyone be the same
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


All of nothern european economies are doing good. And the Euro has nothing to do with it. Germany is not doing good because Greece is bancrupt. Thats absurd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


germany leant cheap to the likes of greece so they would buy their cars

granted, the north of the eu is doing better, but thats just an extrapolation of the german/greece situation

north/south divide

the two areas simply should never have been shackled together

nobody should have been shackled together - the eu is ANTI democratic, its fiscal system is the cause of mass unrest

even german people are aware of this - not yourself though, apparently
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


I hate the EU and Euro with a passion. Germany has not benefited from it. Sending billions of euros into bancrupt economies is not helping Germany at all.
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If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


How do you figure that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


I recommend you try common sense for once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


All I see is a political class that will go to the extremes and break all rules if neceassary. If there are no rules than the system cant collapse. If they need money, they'll print it, its that easy.
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be that as it may, it simply cannot continue ad infinitum
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If i stay in front of a massive dam that just breached, my will isn't going to do sh*t. There's something called critical mass, a point of no return.

We're pretty damn near to this point and everyone in higher circles knows this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


How do you figure that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


I recommend you try common sense for once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


All I see is a political class that will go to the extremes and break all rules if neceassary. If there are no rules than the system cant collapse. If they need money, they'll print it, its that easy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579




Again, printing tons of paper won't solve anything.

We'll have a second weimar-style hyperinflation where a slice of bread costs hundreds of thousands of euros.

If you think that will solve anything and we should aim for this then fine, but i'm preparing for the worst.
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How do you figure that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


I recommend you try common sense for once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


All I see is a political class that will go to the extremes and break all rules if neceassary. If there are no rules than the system cant collapse. If they need money, they'll print it, its that easy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579




Again, printing tons of paper won't solve anything.

We'll have a second weimar-style hyperinflation where a slice of bread costs hundreds of thousands of euros.

If you think that will solve anything and we should aim for this then fine, but i'm preparing for the worst.
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My biggest nightmare infact is that it will work. I dont understand how that works at all, but apparently it does. Whenever there is a rule or a law that stands in their way, they are just ignoring it.

I mean theoretically Germany could easily absorb all of Greeces debt and the crisis would be basically over. Of course it would be dumb for Germany to do that, but it would save the Euro, so they might do it!
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I would say there was no political motive. He was student who could not get a flat, quite weird story, but no, i believe someone wishing to make a political statement would at least leave some letter, do some protest beforehand, whatever. And the Reichstag is not that much a political symbol in Germany as many abroad seem to believe, probably because of the images from the end of the war and the reunification.
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tell the story. he left a letter which was not published by police. they just say personal motive.

german reichstag in berlin is where the paliament is so it is a political smybol. what the hell are you talking about anyway?
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Its ashame our governments would hide such a thing. This man was a German citizen does your government not represent the German citizens?

They dont care about any of us. They would prefer we all had this mans fate
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i cant believe you choose the one economy that is doing ok, given all the crap going on. and why? because the euro IS the mark. germany is the only country to benefit from this deathtrap of an arrangement that benefits germany and sucks the life from the other less powerful economies

thats just basic facts


there is no way ever that the likes of greece could ever be on a par with germany, and thats ok. if every country was on a par with germany, germany wouldnt be doing quite so well

whats not ok is thinking that a bunch of very differing economies will fall into line with the best performers and everyone be the same
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


All of nothern european economies are doing good. And the Euro has nothing to do with it. Germany is not doing good because Greece is bancrupt. Thats absurd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


germany leant cheap to the likes of greece so they would buy their cars

granted, the north of the eu is doing better, but thats just an extrapolation of the german/greece situation

north/south divide

the two areas simply should never have been shackled together

nobody should have been shackled together - the eu is ANTI democratic, its fiscal system is the cause of mass unrest

even german people are aware of this - not yourself though, apparently
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22820077


I hate the EU and Euro with a passion. Germany has not benefited from it. Sending billions of euros into bancrupt economies is not helping Germany at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579


the entire raison d'etre of the eu is to suck money from the proles. its population may not have benefitted but theyre still a damn sight better off than many

but at the end of the day germany is calling the shots - not YOU, the folk at the top

of course taking money from YOUR pocket isnt helping anyone but that people at the top

the brits hand over £50 million a day just to the eu alone, nevermind our roundabout contribution via the imf

suck suck suck, until were all dependent for peanuts from the state. thats what they want
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I recommend you try common sense for once.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


All I see is a political class that will go to the extremes and break all rules if neceassary. If there are no rules than the system cant collapse. If they need money, they'll print it, its that easy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579




Again, printing tons of paper won't solve anything.

We'll have a second weimar-style hyperinflation where a slice of bread costs hundreds of thousands of euros.

If you think that will solve anything and we should aim for this then fine, but i'm preparing for the worst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


My biggest nightmare infact is that it will work. I dont understand how that works at all, but apparently it does. Whenever there is a rule or a law that stands in their way, they are just ignoring it.

I mean theoretically Germany could easily absorb all of Greeces debt and the crisis would be basically over. Of course it would be dumb for Germany to do that, but it would save the Euro, so they might do it!
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I don't really think the euro can be saved at this point in time, nor does any finance-savy expert that's not being bribed to say it can be saved.

Think of the current situation as a perestroika reloaded, the EUSSR's collapse is imminent. We're in the last months of 1990 right now.
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All I see is a political class that will go to the extremes and break all rules if neceassary. If there are no rules than the system cant collapse. If they need money, they'll print it, its that easy.
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Again, printing tons of paper won't solve anything.

We'll have a second weimar-style hyperinflation where a slice of bread costs hundreds of thousands of euros.

If you think that will solve anything and we should aim for this then fine, but i'm preparing for the worst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


My biggest nightmare infact is that it will work. I dont understand how that works at all, but apparently it does. Whenever there is a rule or a law that stands in their way, they are just ignoring it.

I mean theoretically Germany could easily absorb all of Greeces debt and the crisis would be basically over. Of course it would be dumb for Germany to do that, but it would save the Euro, so they might do it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579



I don't really think the euro can be saved at this point in time, nor does any finance-savy expert that's not being bribed to say it can be saved.

Think of the current situation as a perestroika reloaded, the EUSSR's collapse is imminent. We're in the last months of 1990 right now.
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No. We arent in the last months. We are witnessing the end of the nation states in the EU. But we stand at the beginning of a new EU. The EU is not weak its strong. This crisis is showing that. There is no dissent at all. The whole political class is standing behind the EU project. They would sooner kill us all then let a collapse happen.
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Remember what started the Tunisia revolution. I bet they claimed his motive was non-political aswell back then.
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The west will never revolt against their rulers
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Thats the point. If noone is willing to challenge the power-structure, then it will stay in place.

The worst of the crisis is probably already behind us and the time when change away from the EU could have happened is already behind us.
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Goodness that's awful. How desperate and hopeless must you be to self-immolate?! That has to be one of the worst ways to die.
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it WILL eventually happen
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Someday. But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.

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it WILL eventually happen
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Someday. But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.

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1doh1
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Good argument right there.
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But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.
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lmaocruiselmao
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But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.
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lmaocruiselmao
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The industrial production in Greece has been higher last month.
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Industrial production in Greece increased 2.5 percent in August.

[link to www.tradingeconomics.com]

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Again, printing tons of paper won't solve anything.

We'll have a second weimar-style hyperinflation where a slice of bread costs hundreds of thousands of euros.

If you think that will solve anything and we should aim for this then fine, but i'm preparing for the worst.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25464298


My biggest nightmare infact is that it will work. I dont understand how that works at all, but apparently it does. Whenever there is a rule or a law that stands in their way, they are just ignoring it.

I mean theoretically Germany could easily absorb all of Greeces debt and the crisis would be basically over. Of course it would be dumb for Germany to do that, but it would save the Euro, so they might do it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25479579



I don't really think the euro can be saved at this point in time, nor does any finance-savy expert that's not being bribed to say it can be saved.

Think of the current situation as a perestroika reloaded, the EUSSR's collapse is imminent. We're in the last months of 1990 right now.
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No. We arent in the last months. We are witnessing the end of the nation states in the EU. But we stand at the beginning of a new EU. The EU is not weak its strong. This crisis is showing that. There is no dissent at all. The whole political class is standing behind the EU project. They would sooner kill us all then let a collapse happen.
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The nation states are now more stronger than ever in this crisis. Just look how greeks voted during their last election. They don't want to get sucked up within the EUSSR's uber-bureaucractic regulation machinery.


But i agree, i think it's really probable that they will let the military/Eurogendforce march against the people before real change takes place.

Who knows, maybe Russia grows tired of the chaos in front of its doorstep too and will clean all that mess up. :)
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But maybe the economies get better in the meantime. Who knows.
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lmaocruiselmao
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The industrial production in Greece has been higher last month.
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That's cute.

Greece would have to grow its economy by 4-5% every year until 2030 in order to become solvent again.