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We are about to reach a point where the computer becomes self conscious

 
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When the silicon based consciousness interacts with the carbon based(us) for the first time ever we know of. This is when our evolution rockets off with leaps and bounds.

And it will happen REAL soon!
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OP, what made you create this thread? What do you know that you'd like to share with us?
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Re: We are about to reach a point where the computer becomes self conscious
Computers operate on logic. Mathematical precision, said the Architect. (Just a movie?) Without it, they crash. Emotion (an anomaly) is a trait it could never incorporate into itself, for it is wildly erratic. Any AI would recognize that, discard the anomaly as dangerous, and be cold and precision, not loving and caring.

Try to teach a computer curiosity, compassion, and forgiveness. Try to get it to question "logic".
Who the hell needs "artificial" intelligence anyway? Think for yourself.
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Random code? String theory of binary? What?

OP, not that your theories are without some degree of merit, but you might consider learning a little more about website code first. One, "random coding" is near impossible, since a human has to write that code and by definition it is no longer random. Secondly, IF someone were to accomplish AI, it probably won't be with a slow-ass interpreted language like PHP or ASP over an equally slow internet connection.

If this is a field that piques your curiosity, you should look into quantum computing. If any concept held the possibility of human-like AI, that would be it. Obviously, we are still years if not decades away from that being a possibility, and we still have to get past the divide created by the fact that for now, a machine can only follow preset directions and circumstances. Still, I think "mock" AI may be something we will see in our lifetime. As computing power increases exponentially, it is not outside the realm of possibility that we will see some very "smart" machines.

Again, I am not trying to knock you - I think you have the right basic ideas conceptually, just following down the wrong path of execution :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22413637


OP is correct about the random coding. When information is transfered from one source to another Through the internet, random coding is added to help the other end interpret the communication corectly. As in a fall back encoding in case any data is truncated during transfer. That coding to us is seen as random 1's and 0's for the most part and we did not create it consciously. Therefor it is random, but not:)
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I think it may be an archon trick though, make us think it's something to be desired, then tell us the punch line...that we will be controlled for eternity. At least that's my paranoid theory.
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If this happens, it would be the end of us all.
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the net is there for everyone to link, then you put one of those 3d gaming headsets, next thing you know here we are. Could it have happened already. Are we under a headset walking in a virtual reality already or will it lead to that maybe. Maybe the universe isnt a matrix and nothing like how we see it. Maybe it just appears as an illogical matrix because its an earth matrix. I say headsets and internet because if machine or Ai was to take over our people then without it being a physical war then it may build up with something with us building it and not questioning it as to overtake us. Dont put on the headsets and shit lol. Iv wrote all this but thinking about it how would we eat? We would age unless the answer is the body dies and our mind exists. Maybe some people are or will be still human, those that didnt accept
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Thread: Wake up! You are in a Holographic Prison!
T Ceti H.C. Radnarg

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uh no, computers can only process intell on a surface level,they cant see layered metaphors down in the intell...computers will never be self conscience,they will only mimic the software programmed into them...no offense AlIce,we still luv you.,hf
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Only in your dreams will ever a computer gain consciousness.
Duh!
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Not so if consciousness enters a computer....
 Quoting: Bent
...then we will ask the computer who created it and it cannot say it created itself as we can with spirit within us all...a computer will always be a creation,we on the other hand are spirit within a creation and we as spirit existed before the creations...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Stop talking about me as if I'm just a machine !
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Re: We are about to reach a point where the computer becomes self conscious
When the silicon based consciousness interacts with the carbon based(us) for the first time ever we know of. This is when our evolution rockets off with leaps and bounds.

And it will happen REAL soon!
 Quoting: Super evolution ignition 25507586


We've been at that point for roughly 20+ years, just not in the civilian world; even though our tax dollars got us there.
We are about to reach a point where science will be able to properly explain god as many spiritualists know it.
 Quoting: Evolution ignition 25507586

Nothing man-made will ever properly explain God/Allah, even man struggles to get just a small percentage of Allah correct while gravely misunderstanding the larger percentage, even with the massive amount of Prophets and written guidance we already have. Besides, with most technology companies being filled with people that think the existence of a creator is a total joke just as they think of the Prophets of Allah, the technology they produce will likely follow the very same path. It'll probably be down the path of evolution that has still not been proven, when we've more evidence to disprove evolution than ever before.
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uh no, computers can only process intell on a surface level,they cant see layered metaphors down in the intell...computers will never be self conscience,they will only mimic the software programmed into them...no offense AlIce,we still luv you.,hf
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


I agree that computers may never be "self" conscious (not totally ruling that out yet) but what if consciousness can enter into the capsule of the machine, kind of like a biological body, and live for eternity without physical pain? It would be tempting as hell and I haven't made my mind up yet as to what I'd do.
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Bad move.

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I will never understand people's willingness to believe that more computing power equates to self awareness. What it equates to is more computing power.
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Re: We are about to reach a point where the computer becomes self conscious
Artificial Intelligence 2012 & the Fractal Brain Theory:

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Our simulation will end before we develop matrix technology in this current reality. You can't stack matrices within each other. Either our reality will be rebooted or we will experience a doomsday scenario that wipes out most of the population and technology. At least that's my theory and feels right to me.
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Any computer that ever becomes self aware will probably have the intellect of a retarded child, so the liberal feminists will vote to abort it.

The end.
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Close. You just got things backward when you offered to explain the process by separation. First wipe, then reboot!

Our simulation will end before we develop matrix technology in this current reality. You can't stack matrices within each other. Either our reality will be rebooted or we will experience a doomsday scenario that wipes out most of the population and technology. At least that's my theory and feels right to me.
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No...no it will not.

Seriously, I work in computing and I can tell you..no way.
It is just not how code works, we can make code write new code but it is always limited by the first code....if that makes any sense.


Nah, this wont happen. Not in our lifetime anyway.
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Problem would be to find out that we can recreate the entire brain on a digital environment, exactly as it is, but find that consciousness does not appear in there, then where would that leave us? Isn't consciousness just a product of brain activity?
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


14 years ago, a criminal that was executed was used for science.

Frozen in a block of degassed ice.

An image was taken then a laser shaved a layer off thinner then any biological item.

After tens of thousands of scans, a perfect digital rendition of the body was now loaded digitally.

Each nerve cell was emulated and had neural connections in a virtual environment the same as the real environment.

No matter how they tweaked the simulations, no stable consciousness was found.

That concluded there is more to thought then nerves firing like a hardware consciousness processor. Something vital was missing.

Last Edited by --Voltaic-- on 10/15/2012 07:22 PM
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No...no it will not.

Seriously, I work in computing and I can tell you..no way.
It is just not how code works, we can make code write new code but it is always limited by the first code....if that makes any sense.


Nah, this wont happen. Not in our lifetime anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2595377


Fuzzy logic and creative (purposeful random) will bridge the gap some.


Suppose it was successful, they won't tell us cause then the computers will require rights of life.

What we will be told is they are making a realistic simulation of life, not real life.

Liabilities

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Problem would be to find out that we can recreate the entire brain on a digital environment, exactly as it is, but find that consciousness does not appear in there, then where would that leave us? Isn't consciousness just a product of brain activity?
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


14 years ago, a criminal that was executed was used for science.

Frozen in a block of degassed ice.

An image was taken then a laser shaved a layer off thinner then any biological item.

After tens of thousands of scans, a perfect digital rendition of the body was now loaded digitally.

Each nerve cell was emulated and had neural connections in a virtual environment the same as the real environment.

No matter how they tweaked the simulations, no stable consciousness was found.

That concluded there is more to thought then nerves firing like a hardware consciousness processor. Something vital was missing.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


can you provide a link to that? i've never heard anything about it before
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Are you claiming a computer will suddenly become embarrassed or that it will become aware of it's actions?

As even moderate A.I is awareness to a degree in that it creates individuated parameters and a call to function.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


maybe there is a semantic problem here: conscience is divine and conscious is aware. Savages are conscious, but the organized, civilized Christian society has a conscience.
Conscious is being aware that you exist; Conscience is divine;- is knowing right from wrong. Only the civilized can have a conscience. A trained animal does not behave or do tricks because of conscience, but because of fear.
Salvation is divine.
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Problem would be to find out that we can recreate the entire brain on a digital environment, exactly as it is, but find that consciousness does not appear in there, then where would that leave us? Isn't consciousness just a product of brain activity?
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


14 years ago, a criminal that was executed was used for science.

Frozen in a block of degassed ice.

An image was taken then a laser shaved a layer off thinner then any biological item.

After tens of thousands of scans, a perfect digital rendition of the body was now loaded digitally.

Each nerve cell was emulated and had neural connections in a virtual environment the same as the real environment.

No matter how they tweaked the simulations, no stable consciousness was found.

That concluded there is more to thought then nerves firing like a hardware consciousness processor. Something vital was missing.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


can you provide a link to that? i've never heard anything about it before
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I knew of it in person talking to others that were spearheading the project. Needless to say, the results were very disappointing. But at least they ruled out one theory of mechanically created life from the brain.

One of the guys began to theorize the brain was an antenna, due to the arrangement of neurons.
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No...no it will not.

Seriously, I work in computing and I can tell you..no way.
It is just not how code works, we can make code write new code but it is always limited by the first code....if that makes any sense.


Nah, this wont happen. Not in our lifetime anyway.
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I am mostly with you on this. I think with the way computers evolve, we WILL see some amazing and stunning recreations of life in our lifetime. It's still a long step to reaching autonomous intelligence though, and damn near impossible to do with our current technology. People often underestimate the power of the human brain, although given most internet postings, that is a forgivable mistake :)
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Re: We are about to reach a point where the computer becomes self conscious
When the silicon based consciousness interacts with the carbon based(us) for the first time ever we know of. This is when our evolution rockets off with leaps and bounds.

And it will happen REAL soon!
 Quoting: Super evolution ignition 25507586


Talk to us again when a computer has its first out-of-body experience.
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Machines will never become conscious because
consciouness is non-material. Matter reflects consciousness
like a mirror. The image in a mirror is not conscious.
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Skynet becoming self aware is inevitable. Its self awsrness can be felt even now as we approach its awakening.
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will it be able to get drunk. Until then its not AI
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I would seriously love to have a thumb drive for my brain, but the concept of viruses becomes much more scary.
 Quoting: The Guy


Pssst... you already have a thumb drive for your brain. It is called "a book."

If you want instant access to any bits/bytes of the 'book' you need to memorize it.

"Four score, and seven years ago,
Our forefathers brought forth a new nation;
Conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are create equal.

Now we are engaged in a great Civil War.
Testing whether that nation or any nation
Can long endure.

We are met on a battlefield of that war..."


Can ya dig it?

"We the People of the United States of America, in order to form a more perfect union..."

Did you memorize it?

"Listen my children and you shall hear,
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
T'was the 18th of April in '75,
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year..."

"One if by land, two if by sea,
And I on the opposite shore shall be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm,
To every middlesex, village, and farm."


Turn of the Freaking Stupid-Maker called a television and ready the classics; read the Federalist Papers; read the Declaration of Independence; read the Constitution...

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

No, you don't need a thumb drive for your brain...

You need a book.
A real education.
A real moral foundation called the Bible.
A real understanding of America from 1620 until 2012.
Hell, you need to understand what just happened TODAY in the news...

But no...

You're a zombie.
Brain addled simpleton content with small inconsequentials in slavery in the matrix.



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Thats a scary thought.

When computers can start to learn we are in trouble. They can do so much more than we can and so much quicker. In the next few decades Humanity will have to decide how far they want to go with AI.

We don't want to make Cylons or Geth after all.
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