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(So much for the idea that the Catholic church controls everything--It's the "International Bankers" who are determined to destroy Christianity. Then they'll use the formerly Christian nations to destroy Islam.)
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Italy’s Catholic Church will be forced to pay taxes starting in 2013 after the EU pressured the country’s government to pass a controversial law stripping the Church of its historic property tax exemption.

­The Catholic Church in Italy is excluded from paying taxes on its land if at least a part of a Church property is used non-commercially – for instance, a chapel in a bed-and-breakfast.

"The regulatory framework will be definite by January 1, 2013 – the start of the fiscal year – and will fully respect the [European] Community law," Italian premier Mario Monti's government said in a statement on Tuesday.

The move could net Italy revenues of 500 million to 2 billion euros annually across the country, municipal government associations said. The extra income from previously exempt properties in Rome alone – including hotels, restaurants and sports centers – could reach 25.5 million euros a year, La Repubblica daily newspaper reported.
In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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they need an excuse to move the vatican to Jerusalem
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Italy court blocks Church property tax 10/9/2012
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Italy’s Council of State rejected a decree yesterday aimed at ending an historic tax exemption for the Catholic Church, reigniting a heated debate which is being closely followed by EU watchdogs.

In February, the government amended Italy’s property tax law to end the Church’s privileges amid rising calls for the Vatican to share in debt crisis sacrifices and in the face of intense scrutiny from the European Commission.

But the Council of State, Italy’s highest ranking court for administrative litigation, said on Monday it was rejecting the decree for being “too heterogeneous” and going “beyond the competences” of a tax law.



Italy Will Not Tax Church Property
[link to www.therightperspective.org] 10/10/2012
Italy’s highest court threw out a historic decree on Monday, ending the tax exempt status of property owned by the Catholic Church.

Rising calls from the European Commission and secular activists for the Vatican to share in Italy’s spiraling debt crisis forced the Italian government to amended the country’s property tax law last March, ending the Church’s tax-exempt privileges.
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The illusion of the worldwide economic hardships must give the appearance of effecting everybody
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It's a tax on commercial properties, not actual places used for worship alone. The US already does this.
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they need an excuse to move the vatican to Jerusalem
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Italian Church Property Tax Thrown Out
[link to www.tax-news.com] 10/9/2012
The Italian State Council has thrown out a decree proposed by the Ministry of the Economy, which would have levied Italy’s new local property tax (IMU) on the Catholic Church’s commercial properties.
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they need an excuse to move the vatican to Jerusalem
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ohyeah
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Don't get ahead of schedule....it's occupied at the moment!
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Italian minister backs tax on Church property
[link to www.timesofmalta.com] 12/10/2011
The Catholic Church should pay tax on commercial property it owns in Italy, an Italian government minister was quoted yesterday as saying amid rising calls for the Vatican to share in debt crisis sacrifices.

“The Church should pay the IMU for commercial activities,” said Cooperation and Integration Minister Andrea Riccardi, who is also the founder of the influential Catholic Community Sant’Egidio, Italian newspapers reported.

Mr Riccardi was referring to a municipal property tax that is part of draconian austerity measures put forward this week by Prime Minister Mario Monti, who has asked Italians to endure tax hikes to avoid the state going bankrupt.

The minister added, however, that there should be no “big confrontation” between Church and state on the issue of taxes, adding: “It’s better to verify on a case by case basis and intervene only if there has been bad faith.”

[link to wikileaks.org] 8/30/2011
[The Community of] Sant'Egidio, on the other hand, is said to be sympathetic to the former mayor of Rome and current leader of the Italian left, Walter Veltroni



[link to ncronline.org] 6/1/2012
Nuzzi's book [His Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI] also includes an encrypted 2011 cable from the papal embassy in Washington back to the Secretariat of State, relaying a request from Cardinal Francis George of Chicago that the Community of Sant'Egidio, a Rome-based movement active on peace and justice issues, be asked to withdraw an award it planned to bestow on Gov. Pat Quinn of Illinois for suppressing the death penalty.

According to the cable, George objected to Quinn's positions on abortion and gay marriage, including policies about serving same-sex couples, which effectively put Catholic adoption agencies in Illinois out of business.

The cable was signed by Monsignor Jean-Francois Lantheaume, the embassy's charge d'affairs. The full text is:

From: Washington
To: Decryption Off., Decr. N. 300
Date of encryption: 03/11/2011
Date of decryption: 03/11/11
His Eminence Cardinal George, Francis, Archbishop of Chicago, has informed this pontifical embassy that the Community of Sant'Egidio has plans to present an award to the Governor of Illinois, Mr. Quinn, for suppressing the death penalty in that state. Attested that Mr. Quinn is of the Catholic faith, the bishops and Cardinal George retain that this recognition is inopportune for the following reasons:

•He promoted the law on homosexual marriage;
•He is in favor of abortion;
•He withdrew from the Catholic church the right to contract with federal agencies for the adoption of minors.

Cardinal George courteously requests an intervention with the authorities of the Community of Sant'Egidio so that the decision will be reconsidered. On the part of this embassy, a nulla osta [no objection] to what is proposed by His Eminence the Archbishop of Chicago. Lantheaume, charge d'affaires.
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[link to ncronline.org] 2/6/2012
Support for Sant’Egidio

Americans tend to have a distorted view of the “new movements” in the Catholic church, seeing them as largely right-wing. That may be due in part to early critical books such as Gordon Urquhart’s 1999 The Pope’s Armada, but mostly it’s because the only outfits that have much of a profile in the States, such as Opus Dei and the Legionaries of Christ, do skew to the conservative end of the spectrum.

(Technically, Opus Dei is a personal prelature and the Legion is a religious order, so neither is a “movement.” Both, however, are 20th century creations, and thus part of the broad landscape of new ecclesial realities.)

Yet in Europe, and certainly in Italy, Catholics don’t have the same tendency to associate the movements with a particular ideology, because the galaxy of well-known movements is considerably more diverse. The Community of Sant’Egidio, arguably the movement with the single highest public profile in Italy, illustrates the point.

Launched in 1968 by a layman named Andrea Riccardi, who is now the Minister for International Cooperation in the government of Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti, Sant’Egidio was designed for progressive youth inspired by the revolutionary fervor of ’68 who nevertheless wanted to stay Catholic. Today, it claims 60,000 members in 73 countries.



[link to www.santegidio.org]
The White House
Washington
January 20, 2012

Mr. Marco Impagliazzo
President
Community of Sant'Egidio
Washington, D.C.

Dear Marco:

Please accept my congratulations on opening your office here in Washington, D.C.

By fighting poverty, empowering civil society, and preaching understanding, organizations like the Community of Sant'Egidio remind us of our power to create a better world for ourselves and our children when we do God's work here on earth. These efforts transcend borders, lift up communities, and extend the hand of friendship to those in need.

As you continue striving for peace and global solidarity, I wish you all the best.

Sincerely,
Barack Obama
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Should America Tax Church Commercial Property like Italy?
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[link to blogs.christianpost.com] 10/10/2012
Recent court cases have been filed to challenge the tax-exempt status of clergy housing allowances in America and property taxes in Italy.

According to ANSA, the Italian news agency, "The EU holds that tax breaks received by the Catholic Church could be considered illegal state financial aid."

If the European Court rules requires the Catholic Church in Italy to pay these property taxes, similar arguments may appear in the American courts.
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The Yearly Cost of Religious Tax Exemptions [in America]: $71,000,000,000
[link to www.patheos.com] 6/16/2012
We know churches get tax exemptions, but how much money does that actually come out to?

University of Tampa professor Ryan T. Cragun along with students Stephanie Yeager and Desmond Vega ran some calculations and figured out a number:

While some people may be bothered by the fact that there are pastors who live in multimillion dollar homes, this is old news to most. But here is what should bother you about these expensive homes: You are helping to pay for them! You pay for them indirectly, the same way local, state, and federal governments in the United States subsidize religion — to the tune of about $71 billion every year.
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Thread: Vatican Investigated for Taxes 10/15/2010
Tax investigation could land Pope with €8bn bill

European Commission to investigate exemption allowing the Vatican to avoid paying £2bn a year levy on 100,000 properties
[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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Thread: Italy will tax Vatican 12/11/2011
The Catholic Church should pay tax on commercial property it owns in Italy, an Italian government minister was quoted yesterday as saying amid rising calls for the Vatican to share in debt crisis sacrifices.

“The Church should pay the IMU for commercial activities,” said Cooperation and Integration Minister Andrea Riccardi, who is also the founder of the influential Catholic Community Sant’Egidio, Italian newspapers reported.

[link to secular-europe-campaign.org]
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] 2/18/2012
End of controversial property tax breaks leaves the Pope facing €600m-a-year bill

After several years of scandal in which the Catholic Church has faced allegations of financial impropriety, paedophile priests and rumours of plots to kill the Pope, the Vatican is now facing a new €600m-a-year tax bill as Rome seeks to head off European Commission censure over controversial property tax breaks enjoyed by the Church.

As the EC heads closer to officially condemning the fiscal perks enjoyed by the Catholic Church and introduced by the Berlusconi administration, Prime Minister Mario Monti has written to the Competition Commissioner, Joaquin Almunia, saying that the Vatican will resume property tax, or Ici, payments.

Mr Almunia said in 2010 that the exemption amounted to state aid that might breach EU competition law. A parliamentary proposal by the Italian Radicals party last August to repeal the exemption, with a successful petition on Facebook, upped the pressure. A spokesman for Mr Almunia appeared to give the thumbs-up yesterday: "It is a proposal that constitutes a significant progress on the issue and I hope will be implemented," he said.

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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Thread: For Centuries, The Church Has Enjoyed Tax Breaks, But Now Desperate European Nations Are Considering Taxing Church Properties 9/14/2012
For centuries, the church has enjoyed tax breaks and special privileges that have helped them become the ridiculously wealthy organization they are today. But as Europe's nations, cities, towns, and the general public struggle through the economic downturn, more and more people have called for an end to the special treatment.

To be clear, the taxes would not be levied on actual Churches, but rather, on their vast property holdings and commercial businesses.

In effect, anything the church owns or operates that constitutes a "non-religious" purpose, reports the Washington Post. The revenue generated would be substantial, one estimate putting the taxation figure at roughly 3 billion euros ($4 billion) just in Spain.

Aside from Spain, Italy, Ireland, and Britain have also begun efforts to tap into the Church's piggy bank, or simply stop putting money into it. New laws have mostly been on the municipal, city, and town wide level like in Spain's coastal city of Buenavista del Norte, where the mayor is trying to collect 6,000 euros ($7,850) from the church for a banana farm and rental villa they own.

Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com]
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Thread: German Catholics will be denied Holy Communion or a religious burial if they refuse to pay church tax 9/27/2012

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they need an excuse to move the vatican to Jerusalem
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Why not move the Vatican to Constantinople.

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silly question!

But here come a wise answer:
because Satan is a copycat.
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Why not move the Vatican to Constantinople.

The Return of Constantine
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silly question!

But here come a wise answer:
because Satan is a copycat.
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silly answer!

But here comes a copycat question:
why not Constantinople.
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because your eyes are in fact closed...
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Will not do much to the Vatican, since that principality is not a part of the EU. Is the taxing Rome's property is being done in other countries?
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lets see if you can see...


That is because being a friend to the whole world you will be next asking: why not Moscow!
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all churches should be taxed. Why should i subsidize religion?
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Is the reason they have those 'pope fleeing Italy' prophecies...maybe it's a tax/political issue.
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That is because being a friend to the whole world you will be next asking: why not Moscow!
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Actually I would say

why not Berlin or Vienna or Athens or Versailles

Or the South of France
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you have to many friends in the world of enemies of God.
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all churches should be taxed. Why should i subsidize religion?
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Why should the government be able to tax every single thing in existence?

I'm no church-lover, but seriously your logic is flawed.
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Will not do much to the Vatican, since that principality is not a part of the EU. Is the taxing Rome's property is being done in other countries?
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The Vatican might not be hurt but every other church in Italy will be.
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Thanks for laying out above your philosophy.
It speaks for itself.
Its last stop is the lake of fire.
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Why not move the Vatican to Constantinople.

The Return of Constantine
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silly question!

But here come a wise answer:
because Satan is a copycat.
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And just whom do you think you worship?

LOL
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worship is a concept,and we are all spirit that existed before the concepts..therefore as spirit we should be enjoying the show on the worlds stage and not worried about anything...even to be absent from the body is to be present in spirit...so many traps the creation and creations lay to try to hold us here,lol..

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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(So much for the idea that the Catholic church controls everything--It's the "International Bankers" who are determined to destroy Christianity. Then they'll use the formerly Christian nations to destroy Islam.)
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Italy’s Catholic Church will be forced to pay taxes starting in 2013 after the EU pressured the country’s government to pass a controversial law stripping the Church of its historic property tax exemption.

­The Catholic Church in Italy is excluded from paying taxes on its land if at least a part of a Church property is used non-commercially – for instance, a chapel in a bed-and-breakfast.

"The regulatory framework will be definite by January 1, 2013 – the start of the fiscal year – and will fully respect the [European] Community law," Italian premier Mario Monti's government said in a statement on Tuesday.

The move could net Italy revenues of 500 million to 2 billion euros annually across the country, municipal government associations said. The extra income from previously exempt properties in Rome alone – including hotels, restaurants and sports centers – could reach 25.5 million euros a year, La Repubblica daily newspaper reported.
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lol. The pope has to pony up...
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(So much for the idea that the Catholic church controls everything--It's the "International Bankers" who are determined to destroy Christianity. Then they'll use the formerly Christian nations to destroy Islam.)
_________________________

Italy’s Catholic Church will be forced to pay taxes starting in 2013 after the EU pressured the country’s government to pass a controversial law stripping the Church of its historic property tax exemption.

­The Catholic Church in Italy is excluded from paying taxes on its land if at least a part of a Church property is used non-commercially – for instance, a chapel in a bed-and-breakfast.

"The regulatory framework will be definite by January 1, 2013 – the start of the fiscal year – and will fully respect the [European] Community law," Italian premier Mario Monti's government said in a statement on Tuesday.

The move could net Italy revenues of 500 million to 2 billion euros annually across the country, municipal government associations said. The extra income from previously exempt properties in Rome alone – including hotels, restaurants and sports centers – could reach 25.5 million euros a year, La Repubblica daily newspaper reported.
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lol. The pope has to pony up...
 Quoting: Tanarus
whats a pope? that's just an ark filled with the same spirit playing a created role...he's no "holier" than anyone else...we all have equal measure of spirit,that's why to use a created term it would be understood as a co-creator spirit we all share equally..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Thanks for laying out above your philosophy.
It speaks for itself.
Its last stop is the lake of fire.
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Read you words and read mine.

Yours comes from FEAR.

Mine comes from LOVE.

Which is more GODLIKE?
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I see you through!!!

And not afraid to say that you will burn in the lake of fire.

You are snaky and shit-like, and you know this!
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Thanks for laying out above your philosophy.
It speaks for itself.
Its last stop is the lake of fire.
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Read you words and read mine.

Yours comes from FEAR.

Mine comes from LOVE.

Which is more GODLIKE?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


I see you through!!!

And not afraid to say that you will burn in the lake of fire.

You are snaky and shit-like, and you know this!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25473198


I Shine Brightly.

Like the Angel of Light

I Am.
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s226
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I am interested in how you would treat Christ when he returns

With an OPEN Mind and OPEN Heart
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sneaky ad hominem from a Lucifer's worshipper...

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