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Iran can amass a swarm of 10,000 speed boats with cruise missiles

 
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To the brainwashed sheeple who dont apprehend the meaning of the word asymmetrical warfare, carriers and such crap belong to the dinasour period and are technically Obsolete like it or not.
One missile costing 100 thousand dollars can shot a plan/tank that costs millions of dollars.

Regarding the Iranian technology, the latset hit was the drone that flew all over the Israeli defences without being discovered.

The drone flew past the unifil control in southern Lebanon, past the Nato based ships outside the Lebanese cost, past the Israeli radar defences all along the cost of Israel including the iron domes and flew above the X-band radar of the US in the Negev desert without being detected.

If this technology is not enough of a proof then wait for the shit to hit the fan in a war and then its too late.

Stop bragging and get real.
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Small fast boats have been used against main line ships for centuries. Most of the time the outcome favors the larger ships. Study your history folks.

During the war of 1812 the US had hundreds of gun boats meant to defend the harbors from naval attack. They didn't work.

In both world wars torpedo boats were used with generally poor results. Why? Because they ended up not getting to fight the slow heavy battleships in a one on one fight. Destroyers met them instead, and destroyers were almost as fast and agile and much more heavily armed. Smoke screens were used. Torpedo boats had limited range and could not operate in heavy seas. A small boat is a one hit wonder that cannot defend against the plethora of weapons that can be brought to bear upon it.
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Go to 00:20 and 00:40 and you can see that anti-ship missiles can be mounted on these boats. Chinese and Russian missiles are designed to defeat American ship defenses. I would not want to be on one of American those ships with tens of thousands of missiles coming at me. I am not being anti-American just realistic. The Iranians just sent that drone undetected into Israel and yes it was shot down but not until after it flew around for a while. If just a small percentage of anti-ship missiles got through the defenses it would be BAD!!!!!
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Something everyone seems to be missing here.

It doesn't matter how many boats or fast they go. The US ships can see them from 1000 miles away before they are even in range of firing their pissant cruise missiles.

Seen first means dead first. Ask anyone in the military.

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Go to 00:20 and 00:40 and you can see that anti-ship missiles can be mounted on these boats. Chinese and Russian missiles are designed to defeat American ship defenses. I would not want to be on one of American those ships with tens of thousands of missiles coming at me. I am not being anti-American just realistic. The Iranians just sent that drone undetected into Israel and yes it was shot down but not until after it flew around for a while. If just a small percentage of anti-ship missiles got through the defenses it would be BAD!!!!!
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Another person mired in the twenty years ago...

Today's MODERN anti-ship defences take this in to account.
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I'm having a hard time with the whole camel to Boston Whaler transition... :)
Heck yeah. Speed boats are so effective they make large vessels obsolete.

NOT!

Limited range, limited armament, limited electronic capability, limited defense (a half second burst from any aircraft mounted gun will sink such a boat), limited to fair weather.
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"Iran can amass a swarm of 10,000 speed boats with cruise missiles "

at which point, Iran would be taken out with 20 strategically
placed 20 megaton hydrogen bombs
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I'd also like to point out that Israel obviously knew about the drone because they shot it down. So it clearly didn't escape detection.

Additionally, being able to sneak something past lines of defense during peace time is nothing like trying to do it during war. A single small blip on a radar (particularly an intermittent one as might be seen from a stealth aircraft, and which looks like a bird on radar) doesn't often result in the same response during peace time as it does during a hot war. There aren't hundreds of ground spotters on station 24 hours a day. There aren't as many radar systems operating.

A good example would be the chinese sub that infiltrated its way inside the AO of a US carrier group. It likely did this by just getting in front of the carrier group and sitting. During war carrier groups make many angles to prevent such things. The best sonars are not often used during peace time because they drive whales mad. Sona boueys are not dropped all over the place in peace time except during training.

The odds of that same sub doing the same thing during war time are vastly diminished.

The notion of Iran putting hundreds of speed boats to sea, sailing them 300+ miles out and wiping out a carrier group is just absurd. It is not absurd to think that Iran might get lucky and get a boat past defenses once or twice and actually launch a missile or two. Then those missiles might get past air defenses and hit a target. If Iran does pull that off once or twice it won't change anything. A couple of ships might have to be towed in for repair. I don't recall the damaging or sinking of a US ship ever resulting in the US giving up. Not even when carriers have been sank.
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These mooslif*ckwits aren't 'warriors' remember that. They are akin to the Japanese Kamikazi pilots of WW2 and have not intention of making the round trip. You might as well do 'em a favor and paint a bullseye on each of those bright white fiberglass pleasurecraft(with the RPG strapped on top). Those cameljockeys are equivilent to suicide bombers on water, what a laugh.
Small fast boats have been used against main line ships for centuries. Most of the time the outcome favors the larger ships. Study your history folks.

During the war of 1812 the US had hundreds of gun boats meant to defend the harbors from naval attack. They didn't work.

In both world wars torpedo boats were used with generally poor results. Why? Because they ended up not getting to fight the slow heavy battleships in a one on one fight. Destroyers met them instead, and destroyers were almost as fast and agile and much more heavily armed. Smoke screens were used. Torpedo boats had limited range and could not operate in heavy seas. A small boat is a one hit wonder that cannot defend against the plethora of weapons that can be brought to bear upon it.
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war after war and we can't beat a bunch of pesky peasants with AK-47's....
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All this sooper dooper high tech crappolla, and here we are, 10 years later, still fighting them.

Blasts in Afghanistan kill 9, including 4 Afghan intelligence officers, 2 NATO service members
[link to www.foxnews.com]
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right, we've spent 10 years fighting people in caves using the most rudimentary weapons...and we think we will attack Iran and wrap things up in a few weeks?

norespect
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war after war and we can't beat a bunch of pesky peasants with AK-47's....
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All this sooper dooper high tech crappolla, and here we are, 10 years later, still fighting them.

Blasts in Afghanistan kill 9, including 4 Afghan intelligence officers, 2 NATO service members
[link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25388275


right, we've spent 10 years fighting people in caves using the most rudimentary weapons...and we think we will attack Iran and wrap things up in a few weeks?

norespect
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Yup... how quickly they forget!
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"Iran can amass a swarm of 10,000 speed boats with cruise missiles "

at which point, Iran would be taken out with 20 strategically
placed 20 megaton hydrogen bombs
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And worldwide nuclear war starts.

Yeah thanks for that America
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do you even realise what equipment our navies have, and the training they go through?

do you REALLY believe speedboats, no matter how many of them they have, hold ANY fear for them?

rofl

honestly guys, get out more.
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Let us try to explain:

The video is propaganda and Iran doesn't have 10 000+ speeds boats, but they have thousands. Of cause a minority of them are missile boats, but they are still in the hundreds.

The mistake of western militaries is the obsession of weapon platforms. The bigger and more sophisticated they are is important. UK shows this in their great mistake called the Type 45 destroyers.
Even if they have an impressive amount of weapons and counter systems it’s still just ONE target.

Platforms always come second to the weapons. It’s no more than what the name says - a platform.
It’s much better to fire 100 missiles from 100 small cheep platforms then from a few very expensive ones.

Iran shows understanding in this in every field; even then it comes to their midget subs Ghadir, which have 21” torpedo tubes just like the biggest submarines.
They can deliver the same blow, are harder to detect, much cheaper to build and can therefore be built in large numbers.
They’re in the top 10 list of nasty surprises for their enemies to be.

How about better radars and tracing systems some may argue. It doesn’t really matter in an asymmetric warfare were the enemies quantity is big enough. Soviet painfully taught the quality superior Germany this during WWII. Strange the west didn’t learn from it.

Then hundreds of small threats approx, you can’t defend against them all. Not even with the most advanced systems. Even if you theoretically can track them you can’t fire at them simultaneously. Not to talk about decision-making and other human factors.
Whish one has missiles, mines, divers or maybe even nothing on board? You want know before the missile is fired and then it’s far too late, especially in the narrow waters of the Hormuz straight.

We can say for sure that the losses of US and the other aggressors will be for them surprisingly high.
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Huge problem with your theory:

Iran's latest “carrier killer” missile has a 185-mile range.

Tomahawks and F/A-18E/F Super Hornets are launched from 400 to 1,000 miles offshore.

You do the math logistically and you will see how they will fail. I guess we will wait for these 10,000 speedboats to travel 500+ miles towards us before we do anything right?
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Have you even read what we wrote?

"... narrow waters of the Hormuz straight."

Everything in there and most parts of the Persin Gulf is more or less sitting ducks.

Did you get it now?
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Go to 00:20 and 00:40 and you can see that anti-ship missiles can be mounted on these boats. Chinese and Russian missiles are designed to defeat American ship defenses. I would not want to be on one of American those ships with tens of thousands of missiles coming at me. I am not being anti-American just realistic. The Iranians just sent that drone undetected into Israel and yes it was shot down but not until after it flew around for a while. If just a small percentage of anti-ship missiles got through the defenses it would be BAD!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25150434


Another person mired in the twenty years ago...

Today's MODERN anti-ship defences take this in to account.
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"sunburst missile"

You do know Iran has these don't you?
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What idiot would sail a carrier into the strait of Hormuz while in a war with Iran?
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"Iran can amass a swarm of 10,000 speed boats with cruise missiles "

at which point, Iran would be taken out with 20 strategically
placed 20 megaton hydrogen bombs
 Quoting: dr.einstein


And worldwide nuclear war starts.

Yeah thanks for that America
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keep the change.
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Go to 00:20 and 00:40 and you can see that anti-ship missiles can be mounted on these boats. Chinese and Russian missiles are designed to defeat American ship defenses. I would not want to be on one of American those ships with tens of thousands of missiles coming at me. I am not being anti-American just realistic. The Iranians just sent that drone undetected into Israel and yes it was shot down but not until after it flew around for a while. If just a small percentage of anti-ship missiles got through the defenses it would be BAD!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25150434


Another person mired in the twenty years ago...

Today's MODERN anti-ship defences take this in to account.
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"sunburst missile"

You do know Iran has these don't you?
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200 mile range barely. And they're called sunburns by the West.
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What idiot would sail a carrier into the strait of Hormuz while in a war with Iran?
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simple: you sink our carrier, and we'll blast you
with twenty 20 megaton hydrogen bombs. (and, back
home the crew of the carrier will be acclaimed as heroes)
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The SeaRAM has defeated supersonic missiles in testing 10 out of 10 times.
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The SeaRAM has defeated supersonic missiles in testing 10 out of 10 times.
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all of our warships are equipped with giant miniguns that
will fill the air with bullets and take out any incoming
missile half a mile away.
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U.S Can launch 30,000 drones to tap that azz...
" Sonny Liston is nothing. The man can't talk. The man can't fight. The man needs to take talking lessons. The man needs to take fighting lessons. And since he's fighting me, he needs falling lessons."

Muhammad Ali...
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Go to 00:20 and 00:40 and you can see that anti-ship missiles can be mounted on these boats. Chinese and Russian missiles are designed to defeat American ship defenses. I would not want to be on one of American those ships with tens of thousands of missiles coming at me. I am not being anti-American just realistic. The Iranians just sent that drone undetected into Israel and yes it was shot down but not until after it flew around for a while. If just a small percentage of anti-ship missiles got through the defenses it would be BAD!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25150434


Another person mired in the twenty years ago...

Today's MODERN anti-ship defences take this in to account.
 Quoting: PravdaDemocrat


Well there is only one way to find out and that's if the shootin'starts and I won't be any where around the area.
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Something everyone seems to be missing here.

It doesn't matter how many boats or fast they go. The US ships can see them from 1000 miles away before they are even in range of firing their pissant cruise missiles.

Seen first means dead first. Ask anyone in the military.

.
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They didn't see the drone that flew halfway across Israel last week.
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What idiot would sail a carrier into the strait of Hormuz while in a war with Iran?
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USA of course, you know the dying nation inhabited mostly by fat stupid idiots. :-)

Actually, it was close to war earlier this year. Several state leaders of the West were taken to wartime bunkers and bombers left Diego Garcia among other base.

That very night one US carrier was in the Persian Gulf close to the Strait of Hormuz and "rushed" back towards the 5: th fleets base in Bahrain. Another carrier was close to Iran’s southern shore and went full ahead southwards.

Of unknown reasons the bombers were recalled. Nevertheless, if the Iranian thought it was an attack and decided to act, at least one carrier would have been decorating the bottom of the Gulf today.
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war after war and we can't beat a bunch of pesky peasants with AK-47's....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23011194


All this sooper dooper high tech crappolla, and here we are, 10 years later, still fighting them.

Blasts in Afghanistan kill 9, including 4 Afghan intelligence officers, 2 NATO service members
[link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25388275


right, we've spent 10 years fighting people in caves using the most rudimentary weapons...and we think we will attack Iran and wrap things up in a few weeks?

norespect
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Yup... how quickly they forget!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755636


All these kosher idiots drooling over their war fantasies have never been anywhere near a fight, and have no intention of doing so.

It's easy to be a hero when you know you're not going to get your balls blown off.
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More war propaganda make the enemy bigger and badder. Then there's the geniuses who launch tomahawk missiles at targets thousands of miles away from their cushy office chairs.
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What idiot would sail a carrier into the strait of Hormuz while in a war with Iran?
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USA of course, you know the dying nation inhabited mostly by fat stupid idiots. :-)

Actually, it was close to war earlier this year. Several state leaders of the West were taken to wartime bunkers and bombers left Diego Garcia among other base.

That very night one US carrier was in the Persian Gulf close to the Strait of Hormuz and "rushed" back towards the 5: th fleets base in Bahrain. Another carrier was close to Iran’s southern shore and went full ahead southwards.

Of unknown reasons the bombers were recalled. Nevertheless, if the Iranian thought it was an attack and decided to act, at least one carrier would have been decorating the bottom of the Gulf today.
 Quoting: Informed


And Iran would be a memory.

I agree with the US being inhabited by fat idiots. I have to deal with them daily and have often fantasized about a shooting spree to rid my beloved country of some of them, especially when some fat ass takes up the whole damn isle in the grocery store and waddles their sweaty fat ass along so damn slow that it takes me ten minutes just to get down the cooking grease isle.

The fact remains though that the US military acts very prudently. It's doctrine has not yet proven unsound. It will fight at the time and place of it's choosing under only favorable conditions....because it can. The idea that US forces will be defeated because of simple idiocy is wishful thinking. That won't happen until the dumb ass politicians start trying to give tactical orders.
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war after war and we can't beat a bunch of pesky peasants with AK-47's....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23011194


All this sooper dooper high tech crappolla, and here we are, 10 years later, still fighting them.

Blasts in Afghanistan kill 9, including 4 Afghan intelligence officers, 2 NATO service members
[link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25388275


right, we've spent 10 years fighting people in caves using the most rudimentary weapons...and we think we will attack Iran and wrap things up in a few weeks?

norespect
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Yup... how quickly they forget!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23755636


This is the problem with limited warfare. I hate it that we get into these little wars and force our troops to play by ridiculous rules that hamstrings their ability to win. We should never enter such a war.

Total war is the only war that actually works. Total and utter destruction of the enemy to the point that they are broken, hungry, and too worried about living another day to contemplate fighting.
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Big deal a .50 cal will send one of those speed boata straight to the bottom...

And what no one ever mentions about the Sunburn Missle is that a simple GPS jammer that you can buy online will foul up its guidance system...

I remember when the Sadam Hussein thought mounting .50 cals on pickups was the answer to the U.S. Military too...how did that work out for him?!?!?

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