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Jesus lied - period.

 
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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lol you think you know TIME! Sorry but there is no TRUTH in you. All i see is you mocking the mocker! GLORY TO JESUS!
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OP it's pointless to talk to these believers. I remember when I was eyeball deep into Christianity, I wouldn't have listened to you either.

The indoctrination is way too strong. The fear of losing your faith way too entrenched. It has to be something you come to in your own way and your own time....a little at a time so the shock isn't overwhelming.

I wept for days after I finally had to admit the truth. I so wanted it to just go away. I wanted to go back and UNKNOW what I had found out. I regretted digging too deep.

But what was done was done and I couldn't go back. It's been a few years now and I've picked up the pieces and come to terms with it....and my relationship with GOD is actually sweeter.

I wouldn't want to destroy anyones faith. People need it in these times for stability and comfort...

If believing that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime brings them comfort and peace...I say who cares? As long as they don't try to force me to believe it again.

Sez la vie.
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Another one! Into the pit! What the heck is "Sez la vie?" Do you mean, "C'est la vie?" Failtard.
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


lol you think you know TIME! Sorry but there is no TRUTH in you. All i see is you mocking the mocker! GLORY TO JESUS!
 Quoting: Ellusion


AMEN!

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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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lol you think you know TIME! Sorry but there is no TRUTH in you. All i see is you mocking the mocker! GLORY TO JESUS!
 Quoting: Ellusion


Jesus WILL be glorified, and these mockers will woe the day that they were born.
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


lol you think you know TIME! Sorry but there is no TRUTH in you. All i see is you mocking the mocker! GLORY TO JESUS!
 Quoting: Ellusion


Jesus WILL be glorified, and these mockers will woe the day that they were born.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


AMEN!hf
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OP it's pointless to talk to these believers. I remember when I was eyeball deep into Christianity, I wouldn't have listened to you either.

The indoctrination is way too strong. The fear of losing your faith way too entrenched. It has to be something you come to in your own way and your own time....a little at a time so the shock isn't overwhelming.

I wept for days after I finally had to admit the truth. I so wanted it to just go away. I wanted to go back and UNKNOW what I had found out. I regretted digging too deep.

But what was done was done and I couldn't go back. It's been a few years now and I've picked up the pieces and come to terms with it....and my relationship with GOD is actually sweeter.

I wouldn't want to destroy anyones faith. People need it in these times for stability and comfort...

If believing that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime brings them comfort and peace...I say who cares? As long as they don't try to force me to believe it again.

Sez la vie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


Another one! Into the pit! What the heck is "Sez la vie?" Do you mean, "C'est la vie?" Failtard.
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Whatever. Keep whistling past the graveyard.
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


lol you think you know TIME! Sorry but there is no TRUTH in you. All i see is you mocking the mocker! GLORY TO JESUS!
 Quoting: Ellusion


AMEN!

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hf
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


LOL the mockers words do not make believers doubt, they make them rejoice. Like Jesus said: "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

Psalms 111:10

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!

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I'm just going to add this one point ... the very fact that answers go around and around should show that christians MUST see this as real, despite the existence of data that shows it's wrong. "... we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord" means exactly what it says, and was said by the person who started this belief-circus. It never happened, later writings avoided the fact it never happened, and THAT is typical of how people think.
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The existence of data? Where in your little brain did you find this "data?" You are very confused. Or just enjoy arguing without facts to stir up trouble.

angryface
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There is no sense in even trying to deal with these people. They have made their decision based on the cold hard 'facts' of wildly varying opinion and learned material from the far flung corners of the internet.

These are the Google-tards that our world has produced. Young, mouthy pricks who feel they deserve a politically correct, moral high-ground for using big words; and then calling 'Ad Hominem!' without even the slightest idea of it's true meaning.

Stupid as a bricks, and just as dense.
 Quoting: Patient.Zer0


10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Yes - but when we don't throw the context away - we know that "day" was expected 2000 years ago.
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Are you dense? Verse 3 gives the timeframe: "In the last days."

All you are doing is heaping more and more judgment on yourself. You would be wise to repent.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Forewarned!! Two believers have warned OP.
Into the pit for OP!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17868616


Does it make you somehow feel superior to believe that others will go into "the pit"??

You seem to make such declarations with alot of glee?

I suspect it just makes the fear abate to shout it from the rooftops.

INTO THE PIT!!!!!!! You are pathetic.
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


No doubt with believers.
No fear either.
We only fear the Lord, Jesus.
You should too, as you will kneel in front of Him, with your unbelieving life in your hands. Then, it will be too late. Believers only want you to believe because they know exactly what will happen to all. Repent. Time is near.

May the Lord help you to see the truth and save you from eternal death.
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


No doubt with believers.
No fear either.
We only fear the Lord, Jesus.
You should too, as you will kneel in front of Him, with your unbelieving life in your hands. Then, it will be too late. Believers only want you to believe because they know exactly what will happen to all. Repent. Time is near.

May the Lord help you to see the truth and save you from eternal death.
 Quoting: abeliever


Amen!!!
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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The existence of data? Where in your little brain did you find this "data?" You are very confused. Or just enjoy arguing without facts to stir up trouble.

angryface
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There is no sense in even trying to deal with these people. They have made their decision based on the cold hard 'facts' of wildly varying opinion and learned material from the far flung corners of the internet.

These are the Google-tards that our world has produced. Young, mouthy pricks who feel they deserve a politically correct, moral high-ground for using big words; and then calling 'Ad Hominem!' without even the slightest idea of it's true meaning.

Stupid as a bricks, and just as dense.
 Quoting: Patient.Zer0


...


Yes - but when we don't throw the context away - we know that "day" was expected 2000 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


Are you dense? Verse 3 gives the timeframe: "In the last days."

All you are doing is heaping more and more judgment on yourself. You would be wise to repent.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Forewarned!! Two believers have warned OP.
Into the pit for OP!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17868616


Does it make you somehow feel superior to believe that others will go into "the pit"??

You seem to make such declarations with alot of glee?

I suspect it just makes the fear abate to shout it from the rooftops.

INTO THE PIT!!!!!!! You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


No don't feel superior at all. Sad to see, the truth of the bible happening before my eyes. You will, as it is written in the bible, go to the pit as an unbeliever. You call me pathetic because to acknowledge the sins you've committed is more difficult and therefore you project your fear onto me. Glee? The only glee I have is feeling the love of Jesus Christ. If you believed, you would feel it too! Save yourself. Repent. Not much time left for you and other unbelievers to simply repent and come to know your creator who truly loves you.

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OP it's pointless to talk to these believers. I remember when I was eyeball deep into Christianity, I wouldn't have listened to you either.

The indoctrination is way too strong. The fear of losing your faith way too entrenched. It has to be something you come to in your own way and your own time....a little at a time so the shock isn't overwhelming.

I wept for days after I finally had to admit the truth. I so wanted it to just go away. I wanted to go back and UNKNOW what I had found out. I regretted digging too deep.

But what was done was done and I couldn't go back. It's been a few years now and I've picked up the pieces and come to terms with it....and my relationship with GOD is actually sweeter.

I wouldn't want to destroy anyones faith. People need it in these times for stability and comfort...

If believing that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime brings them comfort and peace...I say who cares? As long as they don't try to force me to believe it again.

Sez la vie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524

I agree. For me I was a believer from childhood, and when I finally began to see the error, I wasn't sure what to do. I made up my mind that whatever the data said - was it. I finished my study and that was the end of that.

It's unfortunate, as I said above, somewhere, that the base belief behind christianity is WAY older than Egypt and Sumer, in fact the problem entered the picture during a time where it was believed "the end" was again coming - ironic as it sounds - 5300 years ago. The people then went through the worst case of cognitive dissonance ever, made the wrong choice, and rewrote history ... "enter the gods" and doctrinal changes piled up over the centuries because everyone was wrong, and the new version was always right.
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


You're fucking dumb as shit if you think Jesus was speaking literally. If you're talking to a bunch of idiotic peasants about enlightenment and the eternal conscious awareness that manifests everything, you have to dumb it down for them. Which is what he did.

No biblical scholar or Christian will ever understand this.
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OP it's pointless to talk to these believers. I remember when I was eyeball deep into Christianity, I wouldn't have listened to you either.

The indoctrination is way too strong. The fear of losing your faith way too entrenched. It has to be something you come to in your own way and your own time....a little at a time so the shock isn't overwhelming.

I wept for days after I finally had to admit the truth. I so wanted it to just go away. I wanted to go back and UNKNOW what I had found out. I regretted digging too deep.

But what was done was done and I couldn't go back. It's been a few years now and I've picked up the pieces and come to terms with it....and my relationship with GOD is actually sweeter.

I wouldn't want to destroy anyones faith. People need it in these times for stability and comfort...

If believing that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime brings them comfort and peace...I say who cares? As long as they don't try to force me to believe it again.

Sez la vie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524

I agree. For me I was a believer from childhood, and when I finally began to see the error, I wasn't sure what to do. I made up my mind that whatever the data said - was it. I finished my study and that was the end of that.

It's unfortunate, as I said above, somewhere, that the base belief behind christianity is WAY older than Egypt and Sumer, in fact the problem entered the picture during a time where it was believed "the end" was again coming - ironic as it sounds - 5300 years ago. The people then went through the worst case of cognitive dissonance ever, made the wrong choice, and rewrote history ... "enter the gods" and doctrinal changes piled up over the centuries because everyone was wrong, and the new version was always right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
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OP it's pointless to talk to these believers. I remember when I was eyeball deep into Christianity, I wouldn't have listened to you either.

The indoctrination is way too strong. The fear of losing your faith way too entrenched. It has to be something you come to in your own way and your own time....a little at a time so the shock isn't overwhelming.

I wept for days after I finally had to admit the truth. I so wanted it to just go away. I wanted to go back and UNKNOW what I had found out. I regretted digging too deep.

But what was done was done and I couldn't go back. It's been a few years now and I've picked up the pieces and come to terms with it....and my relationship with GOD is actually sweeter.

I wouldn't want to destroy anyones faith. People need it in these times for stability and comfort...

If believing that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime brings them comfort and peace...I say who cares? As long as they don't try to force me to believe it again.

Sez la vie.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524

I agree. For me I was a believer from childhood, and when I finally began to see the error, I wasn't sure what to do. I made up my mind that whatever the data said - was it. I finished my study and that was the end of that.

It's unfortunate, as I said above, somewhere, that the base belief behind christianity is WAY older than Egypt and Sumer, in fact the problem entered the picture during a time where it was believed "the end" was again coming - ironic as it sounds - 5300 years ago. The people then went through the worst case of cognitive dissonance ever, made the wrong choice, and rewrote history ... "enter the gods" and doctrinal changes piled up over the centuries because everyone was wrong, and the new version was always right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
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You poor thing. You will never live.
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


You're fucking dumb as shit if you think Jesus was speaking literally. If you're talking to a bunch of idiotic peasants about enlightenment and the eternal conscious awareness that manifests everything, you have to dumb it down for them. Which is what he did.

No biblical scholar or Christian will ever understand this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791

I'm dealing with people on a level they can understand. If you notice, I didn't even bring up the LINE of people who also were aiming for the role of messiah. Why confuse people (like yourself) any more than is necessary?
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
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What are you talking about? When im with JESUS i fear nothing! You know at first i wasnt going to post on this thread but when someone calls MY FATHER a liar ,im going to offend him and by the way let me ask you a ? do you know what LOVE is? REAL LOVE? or just what you have been programmed to believe it is? Sorry but i will be getting my LOVE lessons from JESUS! but heres a flower for you anywayhf
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No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
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You are a very confused individual. Strong delusion abounds.

Jesus said in John 11:25 "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;"

Jesus did NOT say to discard all beliefs and thoughts, He said to believe on HIM.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Fsther, but by me."
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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OP it's pointless to talk to these believers. I remember when I was eyeball deep into Christianity, I wouldn't have listened to you either.

The indoctrination is way too strong. The fear of losing your faith way too entrenched. It has to be something you come to in your own way and your own time....a little at a time so the shock isn't overwhelming.

I wept for days after I finally had to admit the truth. I so wanted it to just go away. I wanted to go back and UNKNOW what I had found out. I regretted digging too deep.

But what was done was done and I couldn't go back. It's been a few years now and I've picked up the pieces and come to terms with it....and my relationship with GOD is actually sweeter.

I wouldn't want to destroy anyones faith. People need it in these times for stability and comfort...

If believing that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime brings them comfort and peace...I say who cares? As long as they don't try to force me to believe it again.

Sez la vie.
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I agree. For me I was a believer from childhood, and when I finally began to see the error, I wasn't sure what to do. I made up my mind that whatever the data said - was it. I finished my study and that was the end of that.

It's unfortunate, as I said above, somewhere, that the base belief behind christianity is WAY older than Egypt and Sumer, in fact the problem entered the picture during a time where it was believed "the end" was again coming - ironic as it sounds - 5300 years ago. The people then went through the worst case of cognitive dissonance ever, made the wrong choice, and rewrote history ... "enter the gods" and doctrinal changes piled up over the centuries because everyone was wrong, and the new version was always right.
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No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
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One could only make that statement if one had hard evidence, and since I have not gotten into details, which means you have NO idea what I'm even talking about, your comment is then typical of the condition of the human brain, which is basically what this thread is about.
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if you accept the words of jesus and his apostles, a fair man would have to admit they failed miserably. Xians have continued to be deluded for 2000 years. It never ends.
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
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What are you talking about? When im with JESUS i fear nothing! You know at first i wasnt going to post on this thread but when someone calls MY FATHER a liar ,im going to offend him and by the way let me ask you a ? do you know what LOVE is? REAL LOVE? or just what you have been programmed to believe it is? Sorry but i will be getting my LOVE lessons from JESUS! but heres a flower for you anywayhf
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edit I meant defend , hf
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**GIANT YAWN**

People, this has been addressed before.
It is unfortunate that ignorant atheist and
agnostic posters prey upon the minds of our
less developed Christains.

Please perouse the following links for some
answers to the banal posit of the O.P. :

[link to www.neverthirsty.org]

[link to www.rondaniel.com]

[link to bible.org]

[link to www.meetingwithchrist.com]
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No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


You are a very confused individual. Strong delusion abounds.

Jesus said in John 11:25 "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;"

Jesus did NOT say to discard all beliefs and thoughts, He said to believe on HIM.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Fsther, but by me."
 Quoting: Needles Eye


I find it odd (not really chuckle ) that you can quote verses that support - nothing - regarding the base premise of this thread, and ignore verses that tell the story as it was believed - that the "event" was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago. That's called ignoring the context, and ignoring the left hemisphere of the neocortex.
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If that's the case then there has been a big deal made of "Armageddon" all for nothing and made to sound much worse than it actually is.
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This entire picture was an epic failure, but because people could not fathom the fact that "god" got it wrong ... it continued in confusion and as usual, multiple interpretations of the text.

It was Constantine who boxed this all up and because of this the doctrine was kept alive for the next 1700 years as the catholic church. We were mentally screwed.
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If God is God they how could he get it wrong...? if he is omnipresent and can see the past present and future... how could he get it wrong? Kinda arrogant?
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You could argue that he changed his mind, changed his plans, and would have that right to do so
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Hey yeah, whatever keeps the cognitive dissonance in place!
Winner takes my car, clean and clear... but if I lose, I take the cash AND I take the respect!
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No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
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You are a very confused individual. Strong delusion abounds.

Jesus said in John 11:25 "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;"

Jesus did NOT say to discard all beliefs and thoughts, He said to believe on HIM.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Fsther, but by me."
 Quoting: Needles Eye


I find it odd (not really chuckle ) that you can quote verses that support - nothing - regarding the base premise of this thread, and ignore verses that tell the story as it was believed - that the "event" was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago. That's called ignoring the context, and ignoring the left hemisphere of the neocortex.
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That was in response to someone else, not you. You lack basic reading and comprehension skills, yet come come onto this forum, full of pride, attempting to discredit the very word of God. 2 Peter 3: 3-10 addresses your nonsense quite perfectly.
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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[ do you know what LOVE is? REAL LOVE?
 Quoting: Ellusion

Do you know what study is? Real Study? Oh and by the way, you can't do research using only one book (and books that support that one book). Research means you have NO OPINION until ALL the data is in.
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No, there is no "base belief" behind that which Jesus spoke about. In fact it is the exact opposite, the discarding of all beliefs and thoughts, to discover the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


You are a very confused individual. Strong delusion abounds.

Jesus said in John 11:25 "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;"

Jesus did NOT say to discard all beliefs and thoughts, He said to believe on HIM.

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Fsther, but by me."
 Quoting: Needles Eye


I find it odd (not really chuckle ) that you can quote verses that support - nothing - regarding the base premise of this thread, and ignore verses that tell the story as it was believed - that the "event" was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago. That's called ignoring the context, and ignoring the left hemisphere of the neocortex.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


That was in response to someone else, not you. You lack basic reading and comprehension skills, yet come come onto this forum, full of pride, attempting to discredit the very word of God. 2 Peter 3: 3-10 addresses your nonsense quite perfectly.
 Quoting: Needles Eye

And taking every opportunity to slash people for unrelated errors is called - what?
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[ do you know what LOVE is? REAL LOVE?
 Quoting: Ellusion

Do you know what study is? Real Study? Oh and by the way, you can't do research using only one book (and books that support that one book). Research means you have NO OPINION until ALL the data is in.
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what? the study of ILLUSION?
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