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Jesus lied - period.

 
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He was misquoted.
Or
He lied
Or
He meant something else

All of the above challenge the infallibility of the Bible.
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No, it challenges the Translations and Interpretation of the things written in the Bible.
Most commonly these are called "The Doctrines of Men".

They are man's interpretation of what God meant when he said or did something.
Men are often wrong, God is never wrong.
End of story.
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Paul got his alleged "information" from god - the information was wrong - since there is no god, Paul was either delusional or deliberately lying. Whatever the case, the expected end never came.
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Jesus WILL be glorified, and these mockers will woe the day that they were born.
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AMEN!hf
 Quoting: abeliever


I wonder how it feels.

"...there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

When Christians see this they must feel something, if only for a split second.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416114


No not at all.

Not those that know Christ's voice. He loves us all.
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You dont feel anything when you see a blatant lie.

That is interesting.
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Israel are ten tribes of people that are to be as numerous as the stars and the sands of the sea. Not a politcal state somewhere on the earth as spoken there.

Maybe now go back and re-read your original quotes in proper context.
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Thousands of years before "the ten tribes" were even a gleam in their great grandmother's eye - this story was around. Before the "woman" ever had a "son" this story lived.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


The founder of the ancient stories I believe you're touching on goes back billions of years and knew of Gods plan for salvation long before the first flesh man even walked the earth. He has controlled civilizations from the beginning and strewn more than a few shit sandwiches in the path.

Eventually everything is going to be worked out, even if we like to eat shit sandwiches from time to time.

Seriously if you really ever want to see, just about everywhere you see Israel spoken of plug the context in that I gave you. One day it might help.
 Quoting: Brogan

No, not billions ...

Data was changed due to a cognitive dissonance event that caused the Mediterranean people to choose the wrong path. This has nothing to do with a "god," as gods did not exist back then. The event is cyclical, the "help" is real. It will come from the sky but it takes the form of nothing you have considered yet.
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What if everything you have always known in this world from the time you were a child was only 1% of reality and layered with land mines, corruption, and deception guised as everyday life?

You are much older than the flesh fingers you use to type with. You are just not meant to see it and there is purpose to that.

It's all in the proper translation of the book. God wants you back.

I am finished here.

Blessings
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
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Cheers! Well said, my friend!
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Thousands of years before "the ten tribes" were even a gleam in their great grandmother's eye - this story was around. Before the "woman" ever had a "son" this story lived.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


The founder of the ancient stories I believe you're touching on goes back billions of years and knew of Gods plan for salvation long before the first flesh man even walked the earth. He has controlled civilizations from the beginning and strewn more than a few shit sandwiches in the path.

Eventually everything is going to be worked out, even if we like to eat shit sandwiches from time to time.

Seriously if you really ever want to see, just about everywhere you see Israel spoken of plug the context in that I gave you. One day it might help.
 Quoting: Brogan

No, not billions ...

Data was changed due to a cognitive dissonance event that caused the Mediterranean people to choose the wrong path. This has nothing to do with a "god," as gods did not exist back then. The event is cyclical, the "help" is real. It will come from the sky but it takes the form of nothing you have considered yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20512756


What if everything you have always known in this world from the time you were a child was only 1% of reality and layered with land mines, corruption, and deception guised as everyday life?

You are much older than the flesh fingers you use to type with. You are just not meant to see it and there is purpose to that.

It's all in the proper translation of the book. God wants you back.

I am finished here.

Blessings
 Quoting: Brogan

Data does not deal with "what ifs" ... data explains by showing the parts that make up the picture ... and some of those parts do not exist - like "god". This is why Paul failed ... no god - no "message" - corrupt data - epic fail.
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
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Cheers! Well said, my friend!
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Wasn´t god of love Aphrodite? Good luck with your polytheism.
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There is no sense in even trying to deal with these people. They have made their decision based on the cold hard 'facts' of wildly varying opinion and learned material from the far flung corners of the internet.

These are the Google-tards that our world has produced. Young, mouthy pricks who feel they deserve a politically correct, moral high-ground for using big words; and then calling 'Ad Hominem!' without even the slightest idea of it's true meaning.

Stupid as a bricks, and just as dense.
 Quoting: Patient.Zer0


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Are you dense? Verse 3 gives the timeframe: "In the last days."

All you are doing is heaping more and more judgment on yourself. You would be wise to repent.
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Forewarned!! Two believers have warned OP.
Into the pit for OP!
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Does it make you somehow feel superior to believe that others will go into "the pit"??

You seem to make such declarations with alot of glee?

I suspect it just makes the fear abate to shout it from the rooftops.

INTO THE PIT!!!!!!! You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


No don't feel superior at all. Sad to see, the truth of the bible happening before my eyes. You will, as it is written in the bible, go to the pit as an unbeliever. You call me pathetic because to acknowledge the sins you've committed is more difficult and therefore you project your fear onto me. Glee? The only glee I have is feeling the love of Jesus Christ. If you believed, you would feel it too! Save yourself. Repent. Not much time left for you and other unbelievers to simply repent and come to know your creator who truly loves you.
 Quoting: abeliever


The only reason you're so eager for others to believe in your dogma is because it makes it stronger and thus it makes you more established in your beliefs. If more people believe you feel your beliefs are more true, because you're herd minded. If people stop sharing your beliefs you will feel unvalidated and thus your beliefs will crumble down and with them all your assurance in your pathetic perspective of life.

All because you can't have the humility to admit that there's things you just don't know, and that in that you're equal to most other people , not more righteous, as you now rejoice in believing.

Last Edited by Manu-K on 10/14/2012 05:43 PM
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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Saul never knew Christ
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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Saul never knew Christ
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He just used Jesus to take revenge on Rome, and boy did he take his revenge.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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Saul never knew Christ
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I agree. Which brings up the question (again) regarding WHY nothing was known or written about (the gospels) until decades after the fact. If this was such a big deal, it would have spread like wildfire - and Paul needed a "call" from god to get in on it.
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No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”



When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
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Saul never knew Christ
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I agree. Which brings up the question (again) regarding WHY nothing was known or written about (the gospels) until decades after the fact. If this was such a big deal, it would have spread like wildfire - and Paul needed a "call" from god to get in on it.
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If any of those Biblical stories were to happen today no one would believe in them, not even Christians themselves. If some dude were to come out nowadays and say God told him something totally different to what is in the Bible, or some new rule from God, people would dismiss him as a lunatic.

Such is the idiocy of the faith minded.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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chuckle you gotta love it.
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Yea. I love idiots make fools of themselves because they are too goddamned stupid , lazy and reprobate to actually GOOGLE the answer to their stupid asked a hundred times question.

I bet you think you are a smart one.
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jesus is at google?
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Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
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Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
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God is not a man, he's a BLACK MAN, right Bahamas? chuckle
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
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God is not a man, he's a BLACK MAN, right Bahamas? chuckle
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Being from the Bahamas does not does not necessarily mean I am black. Sostfu
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Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
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God is not a man, he's a BLACK MAN, right Bahamas? chuckle
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Being from the Bahamas does not does not necessarily mean I am black. Sostfu
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Oh I thought you were that lunatic Kneegrow afronutter, nevermind.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Forewarned!! Two believers have warned OP.
Into the pit for OP!
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Does it make you somehow feel superior to believe that others will go into "the pit"??

You seem to make such declarations with alot of glee?

I suspect it just makes the fear abate to shout it from the rooftops.

INTO THE PIT!!!!!!! You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


No don't feel superior at all. Sad to see, the truth of the bible happening before my eyes. You will, as it is written in the bible, go to the pit as an unbeliever. You call me pathetic because to acknowledge the sins you've committed is more difficult and therefore you project your fear onto me. Glee? The only glee I have is feeling the love of Jesus Christ. If you believed, you would feel it too! Save yourself. Repent. Not much time left for you and other unbelievers to simply repent and come to know your creator who truly loves you.
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The only reason you're so eager for others to believe in your dogma is because it makes it stronger and thus it makes you more established in your beliefs. If more people believe you feel your beliefs are more true, because you're herd minded. If people stop sharing your beliefs you will feel unvalidated and thus your beliefs will crumble down and with them all your assurance in your pathetic perspective of life.

All because you can't have the humility to admit that there's things you just don't know, and that in that you're equal to most other people , not more righteous, as you now rejoice in believing.
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Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
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Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.
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? how many times have you denied JESUS in the name of LOVE?
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You don't get it - this is not a denial of the person ... this is a denial of the entire picture based on data.

If we take this one step further, god does not exist either. The idea of "gods" is only 5000 - 5500 years old ... and beyond that is nothing.

This is where the evolution argument comes in because fear stops you from thinking rationally. You are scared to death that if you question this subject, god is going to kick your ass SOMEWHERE along the line. The idea of "study to show yourself approved" goes right out the window, because study could only be his word - and nothing else.

You can't / won't see it - MEN have created this mental conundrum to keep you in control. And, by the looks of things, they have done an excellent job.
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Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
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OP, I will pray you return to knowing the love of Christ. I pray that you see the truth that Satan has tempted you and allowed you to believe fantasy to elevate yourself into a grandoise delusional being.

I'm done. Tried to help you save yourself from Satan's grasp.

Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
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Does it make you somehow feel superior to believe that others will go into "the pit"??

You seem to make such declarations with alot of glee?

I suspect it just makes the fear abate to shout it from the rooftops.

INTO THE PIT!!!!!!! You are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


No don't feel superior at all. Sad to see, the truth of the bible happening before my eyes. You will, as it is written in the bible, go to the pit as an unbeliever. You call me pathetic because to acknowledge the sins you've committed is more difficult and therefore you project your fear onto me. Glee? The only glee I have is feeling the love of Jesus Christ. If you believed, you would feel it too! Save yourself. Repent. Not much time left for you and other unbelievers to simply repent and come to know your creator who truly loves you.
 Quoting: abeliever


The only reason you're so eager for others to believe in your dogma is because it makes it stronger and thus it makes you more established in your beliefs. If more people believe you feel your beliefs are more true, because you're herd minded. If people stop sharing your beliefs you will feel unvalidated and thus your beliefs will crumble down and with them all your assurance in your pathetic perspective of life.

All because you can't have the humility to admit that there's things you just don't know, and that in that you're equal to most other people , not more righteous, as you now rejoice in believing.
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Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17868616


Hardness of heart, meaning non compliance to our dogma and thus weakening our ranks. Yeah, I am not gonna feed your BS, so fuck off.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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OP, I will pray you return to knowing the love of Christ. I pray that you see the truth that Satan has tempted you and allowed you to believe fantasy to elevate yourself into a grandoise delusional being.

I'm done. Tried to help you save yourself from Satan's grasp.

Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

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Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. Mark 10:18

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.Luke 6:37


How can you judge the OP when you fail to see the log in your own eye
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jesus hasnt lied men lie, men dont understand, only the true father knows when all things will be finished not man not jesus not angel not devil,
only a few find the truth and open there eyes to it,
pray for that insight instead of knocking the bible try to understand it, not all is about the last days some things were fullfilled in the bible times its not just about today.
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
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CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!

clappa
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jesus hasnt lied men lie, men dont understand, only the true father knows when all things will be finished not man not jesus not angel not devil,
only a few find the truth and open there eyes to it,
pray for that insight instead of knocking the bible try to understand it, not all is about the last days some things were fullfilled in the bible times its not just about today.
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How will one know when they have found "Absolute Truth". Many get to the door, but fail to knock. What is it that scares everone about knocking on the door of Christ?

"There are many standing at the door, but those who are alone will enter the bridal suite"
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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The end of Judaism and beginning of Christianity.

[link to mhcw.biblecommenter.com]

Christ's kingdom often means his second coming but not always.
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know.
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incorrect.

Who wrote the NT books and when?

[link to carm.org]

[link to www.datingthenewtestament.com]
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them.....

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
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(I truncated your quote to save space.) I would love to sit and have drinks with you! Something about your story has made my heart sing. Spot on! Thank you.
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
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Hardness of heart, meaning non compliance to our dogma and thus weakening our ranks. Yeah, I am not gonna feed your BS, so fuck off.
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Next time I'm faced with the mean-spirited Bible quoting by the petty tyrants at my former church, I am so using this comeback. rockon
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
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Hardness of heart, meaning non compliance to our dogma and thus weakening our ranks. Yeah, I am not gonna feed your BS, so fuck off.
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Next time I'm faced with the mean-spirited Bible quoting by the petty tyrants at my former church, I am so using this comeback. rockon
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Hardness of heart, meaning non compliance to our dogma and thus weakening our ranks. Yeah, I am not gonna feed your BS, so fuck off.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Next time I'm faced with the mean-spirited Bible quoting by the petty tyrants at my former church, I am so using this comeback. rockon
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Be my guest.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!

clappa
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THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....

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