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Jesus lied - period.

 
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them.....

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
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(I truncated your quote to save space.) I would love to sit and have drinks with you! Something about your story has made my heart sing. Spot on! Thank you.
 Quoting: Renaissance Woman


Drinks? Yes, now I can embibe because I no longer have the bonds of a Southern Baptist dogma to point the finger at my "sin". I love a good margarita.

Thank you for your comment. A singing heart is a blessing from GOD. Truth....real truth always sings.
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Be proud of your journey... Be proud that you don't believe GOD would approve of genocide, slavery, murder, infanticide and all the other maniacal atrocities that Moses said "GOD SAID" to!

Be proud that you question and use your "GOD GIVEN" brain.

Be proud that others mock you for your honesty and understanding. Their ignorance should be your strength.

Be proud that you have passed the test of basic comprehension. You read the Bible and couldn't accept it as fact.

Be proud that you stepped outside the book. They worship the book not GOD.

In the end we people who fail to accept the horrid, false traits attributed to GOD by believers in religion actually hold GOD in far higher esteem than the so called "believers" do.

We defend GOD against their stupidities.

If GOD is omniscient - GOD can't be as Moses described!

ANYTHING that undermines an omniscient, omnipotent GOD has to be wrong!
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!

clappa
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681



Be proud of your journey... Be proud that you don't believe GOD would approve of genocide, slavery, murder, infanticide and all the other maniacal atrocities that Moses said "GOD SAID" to!

Be proud that you question and use your "GOD GIVEN" brain.

Be proud that others mock you for your honesty and understanding. Their ignorance should be your strength.

Be proud that you have passed the test of basic comprehension. You read the Bible and couldn't accept it as fact.

Be proud that you stepped outside the book. They worship the book not GOD.

In the end we people who fail to accept the horrid, false traits attributed to GOD by believers in religion actually hold GOD in far higher esteem than the so called "believers" do.

We defend GOD against their stupidities.

If GOD is omniscient - GOD can't be as Moses described!

ANYTHING that undermines an omniscient, omnipotent GOD has to be wrong!
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!

clappa
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681



Be proud of your journey... Be proud that you don't believe GOD would approve of genocide, slavery, murder, infanticide and all the other maniacal atrocities that Moses said "GOD SAID" to!

Be proud that you question and use your "GOD GIVEN" brain.

Be proud that others mock you for your honesty and understanding. Their ignorance should be your strength.

Be proud that you have passed the test of basic comprehension. You read the Bible and couldn't accept it as fact.

Be proud that you stepped outside the book. They worship the book not GOD.

In the end we people who fail to accept the horrid, false traits attributed to GOD by believers in religion actually hold GOD in far higher esteem than the so called "believers" do.

We defend GOD against their stupidities.

If GOD is omniscient - GOD can't be as Moses described!

ANYTHING that undermines an omniscient, omnipotent GOD has to be wrong!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

Thank you for your kind words. I don't know if "proud" is the right word for how I feel....maybe "content" better describes my soul at this point. I am at peace with myself and GOD.

I am still on a quest for truth....but now I know it can be found in many places....not just within one book. Truth is as multifaceted as GOD himself/herself/itself.

I agree that anything or any book that undermines the goodness of GOD is to be discarded....and the OT scriptures certainly do that. GOD above all else is pure virtue in all things...be it love, goodness, kindness, truth, justice etc. GOD is what we should want to be like....and I can't ever see myself wanting to be like the "god" of the OT bible. Or the "god" of the NT either for that matter. I don't consider it a virtue to condemn eternal souls to an eternity of horrors and punishment for a very human and temporal doubt about what a certain book says. And what about those who were raised in another religion (Muslim etc) who have never even heard about the bible or Jesus? Is it a virtue or an act of love to comdemn them to an eternity of hell for their inability to believe in Jesus??

No, it is a very HUMAN doctrine that teaches such cruelty.

Jesus says "love your enemies" and yet the "god" of the bible is going to burn his enemies for eternity.

????????
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681

You did the right thing. It's seriously wrong to teach or preach something that you know is not true.
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No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25509524


CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681

You did the right thing. It's seriously wrong to teach or preach something that you know is not true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24824457


I agree...and that is ultimately why I walked away from it all. I had to be able to look myself and GOD in the eye.
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CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!

clappa
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681



Be proud of your journey... Be proud that you don't believe GOD would approve of genocide, slavery, murder, infanticide and all the other maniacal atrocities that Moses said "GOD SAID" to!

Be proud that you question and use your "GOD GIVEN" brain.

Be proud that others mock you for your honesty and understanding. Their ignorance should be your strength.

Be proud that you have passed the test of basic comprehension. You read the Bible and couldn't accept it as fact.

Be proud that you stepped outside the book. They worship the book not GOD.

In the end we people who fail to accept the horrid, false traits attributed to GOD by believers in religion actually hold GOD in far higher esteem than the so called "believers" do.

We defend GOD against their stupidities.

If GOD is omniscient - GOD can't be as Moses described!

ANYTHING that undermines an omniscient, omnipotent GOD has to be wrong!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661

Thank you for your kind words. I don't know if "proud" is the right word for how I feel....maybe "content" better describes my soul at this point. I am at peace with myself and GOD.

I am still on a quest for truth....but now I know it can be found in many places....not just within one book. Truth is as multifaceted as GOD himself/herself/itself.

I agree that anything or any book that undermines the goodness of GOD is to be discarded....and the OT scriptures certainly do that. GOD above all else is pure virtue in all things...be it love, goodness, kindness, truth, justice etc. GOD is what we should want to be like....and I can't ever see myself wanting to be like the "god" of the OT bible. Or the "god" of the NT either for that matter. I don't consider it a virtue to condemn eternal souls to an eternity of horrors and punishment for a very human and temporal doubt about what a certain book says. And what about those who were raised in another religion (Muslim etc) who have never even heard about the bible or Jesus? Is it a virtue or an act of love to comdemn them to an eternity of hell for their inability to believe in Jesus??

No, it is a very HUMAN doctrine that teaches such cruelty.

Jesus says "love your enemies" and yet the "god" of the bible is going to burn his enemies for eternity.

????????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681


Well I am proud of you... And I am thrilled that you are content!
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THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681


I have been on a similar journey myself over the past year or so. The emotional cruelty and spiritual abuse doled out to me by my Christian brothers and sisters pushed me to it. (They claim to be my "friends" who "love me deeply".) What a blessing in disguise!

I have not gone quite as deep as you, but I am finding similar truths. And I am experiencing similar reactions from my Christian brothers and sisters as you describe, while receiving God's blessings just like you. Your comments have given me even more strength and peace. Thank you!
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."
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THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681


I have been on a similar journey myself over the past year or so. The emotional cruelty and spiritual abuse doled out to me by my Christian brothers and sisters pushed me to it. (They claim to be my "friends" who "love me deeply".) What a blessing in disguise!

I have not gone quite as deep as you, but I am finding similar truths. And I am experiencing similar reactions from my Christian brothers and sisters as you describe, while receiving God's blessings just like you. Your comments have given me even more strength and peace. Thank you!
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Blessings on your journey. Be strong and always loyal to truth and GOD will guide you.
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The promise:
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. - Matthew 16:28 NKJV

The fulfillment:
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. - Acts 1:9-11
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THank you. Yes, it was excruciating. It was a true crisis of conscience. I could have pretended that I hadn't found anything and no one, even my family, would have been the wiser. Believe me when I say that I groaned and cried out to God for months. I was so AFRAID and what I had found. I was terrified that God was angry at me for going so far down the rabbit hole.

Ultimately, I had to trust that the true GOD was above all else a GOD of truth...and if what I had found was the truth, then how could God possibly be angry with me?

It took more faith in GOD than I had ever experienced in Christianity to let go of the fear and embrace the truth.

The true GOD has been faithful to me and blessed me beyond all measure because of my loyalty to the truth instead of my dogma.

My so called Christian brothers and sisters were so upset that I wasn't squashed like a bug by their "god" of wrath. Instead things went well for me and I am blessed. That made them so angry....because it made them fear that what they were believing was wrong.

But sometimes I still wonder if it would have been better to just bury what I found out and continue my "calling"....

Would the true GOD have been angry with me? Perhaps....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582681


I have been on a similar journey myself over the past year or so. The emotional cruelty and spiritual abuse doled out to me by my Christian brothers and sisters pushed me to it. (They claim to be my "friends" who "love me deeply".) What a blessing in disguise!

I have not gone quite as deep as you, but I am finding similar truths. And I am experiencing similar reactions from my Christian brothers and sisters as you describe, while receiving God's blessings just like you. Your comments have given me even more strength and peace. Thank you!
 Quoting: Renaissance Woman


I too have been subjected to the ignorant taunts and name calling by alleged Christians.

I have often been called "of the devil" or "of Satan" and it just washes over me like water off a duck's back. Many believers seem to love threatening hellfire and damnation on their GOD's behalf.

They arrogantly have decided that they can and will speak for GOD...

I have pointed out where the Bible simply can't be the word of a loving GOD. I usually use the words "something must be wrong", but when I quote the precise Bible passages, (mostly from Jesus), I get attacked.

I always point out that I didn't write the passage and always try to give Chapter and Verse.

The simple fact I have realised is, that most who claim to be Christian have very rarely studied the Bible OR use very poor study methods.

They have never studied the history of the Bible, and they seem to be able to morph easily blending Jesus and GOD into one being and then back to separate beings as it suits, despite the clear things that Jesus was alleged to have said.

It is easier for them to abuse you than actually put their brains, (which GOD allegedly gave them), into gear and to do a bit of thinking logically.

Hang tough guys... People show their true colours when they attack you for analysing and actually studying things.

As I said earlier it is far easier to be lazy and just accept & bleieve rubbish dogma than to actually analyse things.

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