Jesus lied - period.

No, it challenges the Translations and Interpretation of the things written in the Bible.
Most commonly these are called "The Doctrines of Men".

They are man's interpretation of what God meant when he said or did something.
Men are often wrong, God is never wrong.
End of story.

No not at all.

Not those that know Christ's voice. He loves us all.

No, not billions ...

Data was changed due to a cognitive dissonance event that caused the Mediterranean people to choose the wrong path. This has nothing to do with a "god," as gods did not exist back then. The event is cyclical, the "help" is real. It will come from the sky but it takes the form of nothing you have considered yet.

Christians....if you will admit to yourself just one thing...it will make all this easier.

The reason you go on the attack when someone like myself or the OP say these things...is because it makes you doubt. These's this little tightness in your chest that makes you uncomfortable and makes you FEAR that what we are saying just might be true.

and you can't have that. Because if what we say is true...then you are afraid that means you aren't saved. That you are going to hell if you don't have faith in the bible and Jesus. You can't allow yourself to doubt, even for one minute...because of FEAR.

Christianity is a fear based religion...not a loved based religion. Contrary to what we said. I said it too. I preached love, but it was really fear. Fear of hell...fear of displeasing God, fear of God's wrath, fear of not enough faith, fear of stumbling and sinning....fear fear fear.

Of course, how can it be anything else if you believe the "god" of the Old Testament is the God of Christianity? No love there...only vengeance, wrath, discipline and rigid obedience.

The real GOD is love....not fear. Hell is a construct of ancient Egypt that the Israelites adopted. There is no hell. A God of love would never have such a place.

Stop fearing.

What if everything you have always known in this world from the time you were a child was only 1% of reality and layered with land mines, corruption, and deception guised as everyday life?

You are much older than the flesh fingers you use to type with. You are just not meant to see it and there is purpose to that.

It's all in the proper translation of the book. God wants you back.

I am finished here.

Blessings

Cheers! Well said, my friend!

No don't feel superior at all. Sad to see, the truth of the bible happening before my eyes. You will, as it is written in the bible, go to the pit as an unbeliever. You call me pathetic because to acknowledge the sins you've committed is more difficult and therefore you project your fear onto me. Glee? The only glee I have is feeling the love of Jesus Christ. If you believed, you would feel it too! Save yourself. Repent. Not much time left for you and other unbelievers to simply repent and come to know your creator who truly loves you.

No matter how you look at it, how you stumble around desperately trying to figure a way to get around it, the "end" was supposed to have come 2000 years ago. Simply put, it never happened. Paul was wrong, and every attempt to straighten this mess out - failed. Modern, unbiased, biblical scholars know this, but the people refuse to see it.

“For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”


When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Saul never knew Christ

Saul never knew Christ

I agree. Which brings up the question (again) regarding WHY nothing was known or written about (the gospels) until decades after the fact. If this was such a big deal, it would have spread like wildfire - and Paul needed a "call" from god to get in on it.

Yea. I love idiots make fools of themselves because they are too goddamned stupid , lazy and reprobate to actually GOOGLE the answer to their stupid asked a hundred times question.

I bet you think you are a smart one.

God is not a man, he's a BLACK MAN, right Bahamas?

Being from the Bahamas does not does not necessarily mean I am black. So

The only reason you're so eager for others to believe in your dogma is because it makes it stronger and thus it makes you more established in your beliefs. If more people believe you feel your beliefs are more true, because you're herd minded. If people stop sharing your beliefs you will feel unvalidated and thus your beliefs will crumble down and with them all your assurance in your pathetic perspective of life.

All because you can't have the humility to admit that there's things you just don't know, and that in that you're equal to most other people , not more righteous, as you now rejoice in believing.

You don't get it - this is not a denial of the person ... this is a denial of the entire picture based on data.

If we take this one step further, god does not exist either. The idea of "gods" is only 5000 - 5500 years old ... and beyond that is nothing.

This is where the evolution argument comes in because fear stops you from thinking rationally. You are scared to death that if you question this subject, god is going to kick your ass SOMEWHERE along the line. The idea of "study to show yourself approved" goes right out the window, because study could only be his word - and nothing else.

You can't / won't see it - MEN have created this mental conundrum to keep you in control. And, by the looks of things, they have done an excellent job.

Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

OP, I will pray you return to knowing the love of Christ. I pray that you see the truth that Satan has tempted you and allowed you to believe fantasy to elevate yourself into a grandoise delusional being.

I'm done. Tried to help you save yourself from Satan's grasp.

Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know. They were given those names bacause the Catholic Church wanted them to have legitimacy. They DON'T. They are made up stories.

and since they are the ONLY sources for info about Jesus...then there's a good chance that the person of Jesus was fiction as well...or based on an Essene holy man of that time period named Joshua who WAS crucified by the Romans.

This is all historical FACT. Just do some research. I did. I used to be a Southern Baptist minister, went to seminary and also believed in the infallibility of the bible.

but I went down the rabbit hole and REALLY researched the history of the bible and early CHristianity....veered from the information that I was spoon fed by the seminaries and actually looked at and read other sources of truth besides those texts I was TOLD to read...

I studies and researched my was right out of a religion.

I still believe in God, but not the "god" of the bible and there's a big question mark as far as an actual historical Jesus.

and BTW....all the earlist Christians were preterists. They ALL believed that Jesus was coming back SOON...like within a few years.

Since he didn't and they all died waiting, the Catholic Church had to do some quick editing of scripture and come up with another doctrine to cover....hence what we have today.

and if you think for a minute me coming to these conclusions was easy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. I gave up a way of life, a ministry, a faith, a church and a paycheck. I've been called heretic, going to hell, evil, deluded etc etc.

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.

jesus hasnt lied men lie, men dont understand, only the true father knows when all things will be finished not man not jesus not angel not devil,
only a few find the truth and open there eyes to it,
pray for that insight instead of knocking the bible try to understand it, not all is about the last days some things were fullfilled in the bible times its not just about today.

No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them. They were given the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" by a Catholic bishop. They could have been written by Harold the goat farmer for all we know.

No, Jesus didn't lie. The gospels were written anonymously. No one knows who wrote them.....

But above all else, I am loyal to TRUTH. Once I found out the truth....I couldn't UNKNOW it. Sometimes I wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then. Ignorance can be bliss.

Alas.

Hardness of heart, meaning non compliance to our dogma and thus weakening our ranks. Yeah, I am not gonna feed your BS, so fuck off.

Next time I'm faced with the mean-spirited Bible quoting by the petty tyrants at my former church, I am so using this comeback.

Next time I'm faced with the mean-spirited Bible quoting by the petty tyrants at my former church, I am so using this comeback.

CONGRATULATIONS on taking the journey you undertook... It must have been excruciatingly difficult.

GOD gave you a magnificent brain, which, unlike most, you chose to use.

You defeated centuries of dogma and indoctrination to arrive at where you are now.

IT is a very tough road... BUT you made it through.

It is always far easier to believe than question.

Well done!