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'Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession'

 
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'Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession'
Excerpts from the new book by Chuck Thompson which argues that the North would be far better off without the South.



Hang out in my living room on any national election night and at some point in the evening, usually around 7 p.m. Pacific time, you're almost certain to hear me scream something like: "Why in the hell does the United States—and by extension the entire free world, capitalist dominion, and all of Christendom—allow its government to be held hostage by a coalition of bought-and-paid-for political swamp scum from the most uneducated, morbidly obese, racist, indigent, xenophobic, socially stunted, and generally ass-backwards part of the country?"
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The Solid South's evangelical rigidity of thought not only confers upon the region an inordinate influence in presidential politics, it enables the South to assume a disproportionate control of Congress through the assumption of congressional committee chairmanships. The seniority system for chairmanships adopted by Congress in 1910 has allowed change-fearing southern voters—who tend more than others to return the same officials to Washington year in and out—to seize control of House and Senate leadership positions. Thus have the most reactionary and entrenched politicians in the country wrested control of the laws and policies of the entire nation.
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The South is bad for the American economy in the same way that China and Mexico are bad for the American economy. By keeping corporate taxes low, schools underfunded, and workers' rights to organize negligible, it's southern politicians who make it so. By separating itself from this suppurating cancer in our midst, the rest of the country would at least be able to deal with the South as it would any other Third World entity, rather than as the in-house parasite that bleeds the country far more than it contributes to its collective health.
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So true.

The Southern U.S has its charms, but for the most it is a cesspool.
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It's not that religious freaks won't compromise. It's that they can't. If they could they wouldn't be religious freaks in the first place. And wouldn't get elected to office. Not in the South, anyway.
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The auto industry in the United States isn't dead. It's thriving. But it's doing so with cut-rate workers in southern states whose leaders have adopted the business tactics of banana republic despots who take jobs from American workers by shamelessly exploiting their own.

It wasn't just Japan and Korea and Mexican laborers that killed Detroit. Essentially operating as its own country with its own economic interests in mind, the "patriotic" South has done plenty to help wreck the Motor City.
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Indeed, one could make the argument that in terms of economic practice the South is profoundly un-American for the way in which it betrays our own citizens by prostrating itself to foreign interests and fat-cat traitors who sell out America's dwindling middle class for the short-term gain of a pocketful of euros and yuan; and that despite a few misleading statistics and specious political claims, northern citizens might actually be better off without the ball and chain of the southern economy.

By underscoring the three pillars of southern economic philosophy—abuse labor, fellate corporate interests (especially foreign ones), and fuck the environment—I intend to make that every argument.
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Who's going to fight Jew York's wars when the South is another country?
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What the majority of southerners are, and always have been … is willing to allow the most strident, mouth-breathing "patriotic" firebrands among them to remain in control of their society's most powerful and influential positions. This is true whether they operate in the realms of religion, politics, business, education, or just basic day-to-day civic operations, like the hamlet nabobs in Laurens, South Carolina, who, knowing it's wrong, still grant a business license to a guy who sells Klan shit from a shop in front of their picturesque little courthouse....
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Maybe the fanatics do represent a minority, say one in three southerners—that's a fair guess, in my estimation. That's still an extremely potent one-in-three that the rest of the South enables—or succumbs to—or aligns with—or votes for—year after year, decade after decade, century after century. Theirs are the voices that perpetuate the agenda because theirs are the voices that ring with the most sincerity, that are most bereft of apology, that in their bellicosity resonate as the most authentically "southern." If there's one thing about the South that hasn't ever changed it's the hypnotic influence of the angry crusader.
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The South's economic disregard for public education is incongruous with the rest of the country's determination to reestablish American schools as a standard-bearer for the world. The southern "approach" to education is nearly as dismal now as it ever was. The rest of us can no longer afford to drag the South's truant ass kicking and screaming into the world of twenty-first century knowledge and discovery….
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Who's going to fight Jew York's wars when the South is another country?
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We were dragged into a multi-trillion dollar debacle of a war with Iraq by Texass and the voters of the south.
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Who's going to fight Jew York's wars when the South is another country?
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We were dragged into a multi-trillion dollar debacle of a war with Iraq by Texass and the voters of the south.
bushtard
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I believe G. W. Bush is a native of Connecticut.
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Who's going to fight Jew York's wars when the South is another country?
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We were dragged into a multi-trillion dollar debacle of a war with Iraq by Texass and the voters of the south.
bushtard
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The Bush family didn't come from Texas, ya dummy.

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Who's going to fight Jew York's wars when the South is another country?
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We were dragged into a multi-trillion dollar debacle of a war with Iraq by Texass and the voters of the south.
bushtard
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The Bush family didn't come from Texas, ya dummy.

[link to genealogy.about.com]
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Dubya lived there and still does even after selling off his fake brush-clearing ranch.
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Chucky Boy had his chance back in the 1860's. He needs to bitch about Abe Lincoln and leave everyone else alone.

Or he can get a real job and quit wasting paper and electrons.
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Who's going to fight Jew York's wars when the South is another country?
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We were dragged into a multi-trillion dollar debacle of a war with Iraq by Texass and the voters of the south.
bushtard
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The Bush family didn't come from Texas, ya dummy.

[link to genealogy.about.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25388275


Dubya lived there and still does even after selling off his fake brush-clearing ranch.
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So if you moved to Alabama next week you'd be a white trash Dixie boy too? battleflag
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This drawling idiot is a member of the Science, Space and Technology Committee in Congress, deciding science policy for the United States!!



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We were dragged into a multi-trillion dollar debacle of a war with Iraq by Texass and the voters of the south.
bushtard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25542232


The Bush family didn't come from Texas, ya dummy.

[link to genealogy.about.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25388275


Dubya lived there and still does even after selling off his fake brush-clearing ranch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25542232


So if you moved to Alabama next week you'd be a white trash Dixie boy too? battleflag
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What is your fucking point??
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i wish the north would leave, nobody would stop them. they could go full communist and the south could go capitalist, its going to happen eventually anyway.
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The Bush family didn't come from Texas, ya dummy.

[link to genealogy.about.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25388275


Dubya lived there and still does even after selling off his fake brush-clearing ranch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25542232


So if you moved to Alabama next week you'd be a white trash Dixie boy too? battleflag
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What is your fucking point??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25542232


My point is that the person you hate so much is probably yourself, and not all these other people you're trying to drag into your personal nightmare.
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Sounds like a good idea. Wherever there are mergers there are always workers and hangers-on. Like England/Scotland, and of course the bloody EU!
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Dubya lived there and still does even after selling off his fake brush-clearing ranch.
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So if you moved to Alabama next week you'd be a white trash Dixie boy too? battleflag


What is your fucking point??


My point is that the person you hate so much is probably yourself, and not all these other people you're trying to drag into your personal nightmare.
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You don't know a damn t
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ut me.
It doesn't bother you that Paul Broun and Todd Akin sit on the Science Committee? That our govt and nation is dragged down by political swamp scum?
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rove of it or you don't care?
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the north only consists of a few northeastern states with high minority populations that nobody wants to live in anymore, they couldnt even feed themselves without the south.
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Sounds like a good idea. Wherever there are mergers there are always workers and hangers-on. Like England/Scotland, and of course the bloody EU!
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We would be richer and have a much higher standard of living without the South. What would happen though, is that the South would depopulate as they fled north. It would be impossible to prevent that happening.
But it would probably still be better than what we have now since they wouldn't have such outsized political representation.
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Sounds like a good idea. Wherever there are mergers there are always workers and hangers-on. Like England/Scotland, and of course the bloody EU!
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We would be richer and have a much higher standard of living without the South. What would happen though, is that the South would depopulate as they fled north. It would be impossible to prevent that happening.
But it would probably still be better than what we have now since they wouldn't have such outsized political representation.
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but the opposite is happening right now, people are leaving the north in droves.
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the north only consists of a few northeastern states with high minority populations that nobody wants to live in anymore, they couldnt even feed themselves without the south.
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bsflag

We get California and you get Kansass.
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Oh thank God! That would be such a blessing!!!

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i wish the north would leave, nobody would stop them. they could go full communist and the south could go capitalist, its going to happen eventually anyway.
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Ummm...the Southern U.S is made up of taker states who all use a vastly disproportionate amount of tax payer dollars, you would be utterly fucked.

Capitalism??!?! hahahahaha....you are all Socialists already, you have so many welfare cases in the Southern U.S along with all the farming and other subsidies that keep the pathetic Southern U.S economies afloat.
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So we could send them damn ole yankies home then, right? They are really starting to piss me off moving down here and

taxing the fuck out of us! I say send em packing, gtfo and never come back!
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i wish the north would leave, nobody would stop them. they could go full communist and the south could go capitalist, its going to happen eventually anyway.
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Ummm...the Southern U.S is made up of taker states who all use a vastly disproportionate amount of tax payer dollars, you would be utterly fucked.

Capitalism??!?! hahahahaha....you are all Socialists already, you have so many welfare cases in the Southern U.S along with all the farming and other subsidies that keep the pathetic Southern U.S economies afloat.
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well the only way to find out is to try, lets go for it.

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