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This is a summary, an outline, of what I personally believe to be the order of events yet to come. I am not predicting any timing as to when this begins, but only offering a possible scenario for what to expect once it does. I'm not claiming to have all knowledge, or to be infallible, or to have anything but reading comprehension to go on; I am not a prophet or seer or have a special standing with God beyond any other believers. And I certainly expect to be wrong about at least some of it, but that can only be known in hindsight.

So I would ask that people don't post ridiculous nonsense (yet somebody will), or flame me for having an opinion they don't like (they do anyway), or expect me to chase every debate challenge thrown at me (and label me a coward for not accepting). It's just an expression of my opinion.

The Bible is not one book but 66 of them, written over a period of over 1400 years, by some 40 different writers on various continents and from various cultures. Yet it carries a unified theme of creation, fall, redemption, mercy, and final justice in the next life. It shows that God changes the parameters from one epoch to another, such that the requirements for gaining His favor are not always the same. People get prophecies all mixed together and reach erroneous conclusions if they don't recognize this critical fact. That is, one cannot lift a prophecy for the nation of Israel and indiscriminately apply it to the "church" and vice versa. Epoch or age is as much a part of context as anything else and cannot be ignored. So proof-texts or "helicopter exegesis" will not fly with me (pun intended); know your ages (a.k.a. "dispensations", which literally means "house rules").
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1. The Rapture. I believe in the pre-tribulation Rapture of the believers to end this "age of grace through faith", and I believe it solely upon the text of scripture. There are many lies being repeated about some vision of Margaret MacDonald in the middle ages, or Darby, or Schofield, or a hundred other scapegoats who aren't here to defend themselves. Nobody I know who believes in the Rapture depends on those people or writings outside of the Bible.

2. A span of time, anywhere from days to 3-1/2 years. This may be the time of the Seal judgments:
1-4 the four horses (conquest, hot war, economic crash, death of 1/4 the earth's population, and pestilence)
5- mass martyrdom of those holding to "the testimony of Jesus"
6- many huge natural and cosmic disasters
7- a brief respite before the next set of 7 judgments

3. The confirmation or formal enactment of a 7-year treaty that involves "many" people. It is signed by the Antichrist, and marks the beginning of the Tribulation, which also lasts 7 years. The length of the years may be shorter at that time due to the previous natural/cosmic disasters; the likely number of days is 360, which is explicitly stated as such or one of its multiples or divisibles.

4. The seven Trumpet judgments:
1- Hail, fire, 1/3 of the earth burned up
2- A "blazing mountain" strikes the sea, destroying 1/3 of it
3- The star Wormwood, also ablaze, strikes the rivers and poisons 1/3 of them
4- Light from the heavenly bodies is reduced by 1/3
5- The Abyss is opened, releasing an army of locust-like beings who are allowed to torment people (except those having the Seal of God on their foreheads) for 5 months; they will want to die but will not be able
6- Four powerful angels bound at the Euphrates River are released to lead an army of 200 million mounted troops (human soldiers? demons? creatures? bots?) to kill 1/3 of the earth's population
7- The two Beasts are described (a.k.a. the Beast and the False Prophet), and there are 3-1/2 years (1260 days, "a time, times, and half a time") left to go. This is when the Mark of the Beast is commanded. Believing Jews are to flee to "a place prepared for them in the desert", likely the ancient city Petra, where they will ride out the final 3-1/2 years in safety.

5. The seven Bowls, a.k.a. "The Great Tribulation"
1- Terrible ulcers break out on people who took the Mark of the Beast and worshiped his image (idol)
2- The sea becomes blood and everything in it dies
3- The rivers become blood
4- The sun scorches people severely
5- A thick and terrible darkness descends upon the kingdom of the Beast
6- The Euphrates River is dried up and "unclean" spirits cross over
7- The Battle of Armageddon, a global earthquake that levels all the cities and mountains and destroys all the islands, and hail stones weighing 100 pounds begin to fall

6. Jesus returns to earth, this time not just to the air above it, followed by the armies of heaven. He immediately destroys the vast army arrayed against Him and his people, and he throws the Beast and the False Prophet into the Lake of Fire. Satan is bound and thrown into the Abyss for the duration of the Millennium.

7. The Millennium, a thousand years of peace under the rule of Jesus Himself.

8. The brief release of Satan from the Abyss, to "deceive the nations" into rebellion against Jesus and his kingdom. He is immediately thrown into the Lake of Fire. Then a judgment hall is convened in order to judge the deeds of all who ever rebelled.

9. The old earth and space will be discarded and replaced. The New Jerusalem will be brought down from heaven to its permanent location, either just above or on the surface of the earth. There will be no more suffering, no more death, no more pain for all who belong to God, forever.

Further reading:
[link to bible.fether.net] (choose Rev. from the dropdown)
[link to bible.fether.net] (commentary)
[link to www.fether.net] (ref. also the OT prophecies that pertain to the Tribulation, as well as other NT prophecies of the same)
[link to www.raptureme.com] (scholar Thomas Ice)
[link to gracethrufaith.com] (Jack Kelley, see articles in sidebar)

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I thought I should probably add why I felt the need to post this. A while back I posted one on "spiritual prepper instructions" because preparing one's spirit in these times of doom is the first order of business, because nothing else matters if you "lose your own soul" as Jesus said. So now I thought I should leave some kind of road map or indicators for those who were not prepared as of the Rapture, and might remember these things as they happen. My hope is that they'll see that the Bible is accurate and true, and give their souls to God during the Tribulation. Better late than never, IMHO.
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I believe there is the Day of the Lord and it is the judgement of America because that is where the lost 10 tribes of Israel are..you can tell that because they received all the blessings of deuteronomy that were promised to God's children. Now that this nation has turned away from God the curses are coming and I think that is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation that 7 years consisting of two 42 month periods..so I think there are 3 of the 42 month periods instead of what most people think of only being two 42 month periods. Before this Day of the Lord comes I'm looking for an Elijah to show up to warn the people of the judgement that is coming just as malachi promised would be sent before the great and terrible day of the lord. So people who are waiting for a 7 year peace treaty to be signed to signal the 7 year tribulation are going to be 42 months late for the judgement coming.
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I believe there is the Day of the Lord and it is the judgement of America because that is where the lost 10 tribes of Israel are..you can tell that because they received all the blessings of deuteronomy that were promised to God's children. Now that this nation has turned away from God the curses are coming and I think that is a 42 month period before the 7 year tribulation that 7 years consisting of two 42 month periods..so I think there are 3 of the 42 month periods instead of what most people think of only being two 42 month periods. Before this Day of the Lord comes I'm looking for an Elijah to show up to warn the people of the judgement that is coming just as malachi promised would be sent before the great and terrible day of the lord. So people who are waiting for a 7 year peace treaty to be signed to signal the 7 year tribulation are going to be 42 months late for the judgement coming.
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I believe there very well could be a 3-1/2 year gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation. As I said above, this may be the time of the Seal judgments. But the most definitive marker for the Tribulation is what happens at the midpoint: the Beast sits in the Temple and declares himself God. This is the "abomination" the Jews are to look for as their signal to run to the desert immediately.

As for America, consider the other, ancient civilizations that have come and gone, powerful though they were, and evil though they were. God does send judgments outside of those of the Tribulation, but none of them were prophesied; it seems that God largely ignores the western continents. America today hardly has a monopoly on evil or forsaking God, I think we can agree on that. But I still don't see it as part of the final judgments, whose purpose as told by Daniel is to both judge unfaithful Israel and to punish the people of the earth. The whole world has abandoned the one true God and invented a thousand "Jesuses" to suit their whims, so it is the whole world that will be judged.

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America was the land of milk and honey but we have turned it into the land of Egypt(full of idols) and turned away from God. God will bring judgement and will destroy all the idols and take his people through the furnace of affliction into the desert and into slavery just as deuteronomy says will happen under the curses that happen to the children of God when they turn away from Him. If you can see it basically it is the same thing that happened during the time of moses an aaron only in reverse...and again God will raise up a deliverer like moses to lead the people and teach them righteosness and send an aaron with him, or the two witnesses of revelation and the joshua and zerubabble type of zechariah. This moses type will feed the people during the 7 year tribulation spiritually just as Joseph fed the people physically because he knew what the dream or plan was. This aaron type is the Elijah to come and the Moses type is the greater of the two witnesses.

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America was the land of milk and honey but we have turned it into the land of Egypt(full of idols) and turned away from God. God will bring judgement and will destroy all the idols and take his people through the furnace of affliction into the desert and into slavery just as deuteronomy says will happen under the curses that happen to the children of God when they turn away from Him. If you can see it basically it is the same thing that happened during the time of moses an aaron...and again God will raise up a deliverer like moses to lead the people and teach them righteosness and send an aaron with him, or the two witnesses of revelation and the joshua and zerubabble type of zechariah. This moses type will feed the people during the 7 year tribulation spiritually just as Joseph fed the people physically because he knew what the dream or plan was. This aaron type is the Elijah to come and the Moses type is the greater of the two witnesses.
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America will indeed be judged... as will the rest of the world. But America never had a covenant with God; only Israel as a nation has ever had that. God's only other covenant is with individual believers, not nations. So he may well send people to warn America, just as he might send them to the UK or Australia or anyplace else. The blessings the western world has enjoyed are, IMHO, due to the "salty" influence of the believers wherever they were, and now the "salt has lost its savor" so we see all this doom and evil. I honestly don't see any specific, unique, covenant relationship between God and America.
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America was the land of milk and honey but we have turned it into the land of Egypt(full of idols) and turned away from God. God will bring judgement and will destroy all the idols and take his people through the furnace of affliction into the desert and into slavery just as deuteronomy says will happen under the curses that happen to the children of God when they turn away from Him. If you can see it basically it is the same thing that happened during the time of moses an aaron...and again God will raise up a deliverer like moses to lead the people and teach them righteosness and send an aaron with him, or the two witnesses of revelation and the joshua and zerubabble type of zechariah. This moses type will feed the people during the 7 year tribulation spiritually just as Joseph fed the people physically because he knew what the dream or plan was. This aaron type is the Elijah to come and the Moses type is the greater of the two witnesses.
 Quoting: waterman


America will indeed be judged... as will the rest of the world. But America never had a covenant with God; only Israel as a nation has ever had that. God's only other covenant is with individual believers, not nations. So he may well send people to warn America, just as he might send them to the UK or Australia or anyplace else. The blessings the western world has enjoyed are, IMHO, due to the "salty" influence of the believers wherever they were, and now the "salt has lost its savor" so we see all this doom and evil. I honestly don't see any specific, unique, covenant relationship between God and America.
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during the time of solomon Israel divided into two kingdoms the northern kingdom was Israel and the southern kingdom was Judah..both were invaded by the enemy. The northern kingdom was invaded and taken into captivity and was never reunited(lost 10 tribes). Same thing happend to the southern kingdome Judah 135 years later but they came to gether again later and formed Judah and is Israel today but the lost 10 tribes still need to be reunited and this is what will happen and then when this moses and aaron type come they reunite the northern and southern kingdom and all of Israel will be one again.

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OP- nice synopsis. I think Islam will play a major role in prophetic events. My person belief is that the 12 Mahdi will be the Beast from the Earth ( The Well)

And the last Pope will be the beast from the sea. (Holy See)

I believe Islam was birthed through the Roman Catholic Church and is one of the Whore of Babylon's daughters. RCC is the whore riding the beast drunk with blood of saints.
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during the time of solomon Israel divided into two kingdoms the northern kingdom was Israel and the southern kingdom was Judah..both were invaded by the enemy. The northern kingdom was invaded and taken into captivity and was never reunited(lost 10 tribes). Same thing happend to the southern kingdome Judah 135 years later but they came to gether again later and formed Judah and is Israel today but the lost 10 tribes still need to be reunited and this is what will happen and then when this moses and aaron type come they reunite the northern and southern kingdom and all of Israel will be one again.
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I'm familiar with the "lost tribes" theory but I don't agree with it. In the NT, written long after the split, Paul wrote that God has certainly not forsaken His people, and James wrote his letter to "the scattered twelve tribes"-- not the ten or two. In any case, the nation called American has had no covenant relationship with God.
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Jesus always told parables or stories to explain thing so that those who didn't search for the truth couldn't find it. The story of Sampson alone should show you that the most powerful man around represents the most powerful nation around and just as Sampson turned from God by going against Nazarene laws of cutting his hair and living as he was living just as americans have turned against their God. Judgement came on Sampson and he went into slavery more than likely 42 months because that is about how long it would take to grow his hair back just as the americans will go into slavery 42 months before God raises up that deliverer
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OP- nice synopsis. I think Islam will play a major role in prophetic events. My person belief is that the 12 Mahdi will be the Beast from the Earth ( The Well)

And the last Pope will be the beast from the sea. (Holy See)

I believe Islam was birthed through the Roman Catholic Church and is one of the Whore of Babylon's daughters. RCC is the whore riding the beast drunk with blood of saints.
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Thanks AC. hf

I do think Islam will play a role, possibly as the enforcement arm of the Beast, esp. since some of the martyrs are specifically noted to have been beheaded. But I think it's important to note that the origin of the Beast is from a people, an ethnicity, rather than a religion. He "will have no regard for the gods of his fathers", and would have to come from some people group that was a part of the Roman empire as it was when it destroyed the 2nd temple in 70 AD. Regardless, I'm sure that the Muslims will claim him as their Mahdi.

Agree about the Pope as well, as the False Prophet/2nd Beast.

I also tend to agree that Islam is being used to do the RCC's dirty work. They can no longer openly conduct inquisitions, so they do so by proxy.
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Christianity and Islam are only God's tools to help the chosen people become the masters of this planet and defeat evil once and for all. You have fallen victim to an epic con. When the misery of your existence is revealed to you by the one who you thought loved you unconditionally you will weep and you will suffer as your soul is harvested for its energy.
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I read everything up to "I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture" and stopped. No real to need for me to absorb more of what nearly all Christians falsly believe. Reread Mathew 24 especially verses 24 thru 31.
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Christianity and Islam are only God's tools to help the chosen people become the masters of this planet and defeat evil once and for all. You have fallen victim to an epic con. When the misery of your existence is revealed to you by the one who you thought loved you unconditionally you will weep and you will suffer as your soul is harvested for its energy.
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I'm sure you're convinced you're right, but I disagree of course. Time will reveal the truth. And I don't even need to condemn or threaten you in return.

I read everything up to "I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture" and stopped. No real to need for me to absorb more of what nearly all Christians falsly believe. Reread Mathew 24 especially verses 24 thru 31.
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I've read the whole Bible many times, also parts in other languages (German and koine Greek). So I can assure you that I do not "falsly" believe anything. Feel free to read the huge amount of material at the Thomas Ice link I gave in the OP for well-argued defenses of the pre-trib Rapture.
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America was the land of milk and honey but we have turned it into the land of Egypt(full of idols) and turned away from God. God will bring judgement and will destroy all the idols and take his people through the furnace of affliction into the desert and into slavery just as deuteronomy says will happen under the curses that happen to the children of God when they turn away from Him. If you can see it basically it is the same thing that happened during the time of moses an aaron...and again God will raise up a deliverer like moses to lead the people and teach them righteosness and send an aaron with him, or the two witnesses of revelation and the joshua and zerubabble type of zechariah. This moses type will feed the people during the 7 year tribulation spiritually just as Joseph fed the people physically because he knew what the dream or plan was. This aaron type is the Elijah to come and the Moses type is the greater of the two witnesses.
 Quoting: waterman


America will indeed be judged... as will the rest of the world. But America never had a covenant with God; only Israel as a nation has ever had that. God's only other covenant is with individual believers, not nations. So he may well send people to warn America, just as he might send them to the UK or Australia or anyplace else. The blessings the western world has enjoyed are, IMHO, due to the "salty" influence of the believers wherever they were, and now the "salt has lost its savor" so we see all this doom and evil. I honestly don't see any specific, unique, covenant relationship between God and America.
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Well said. Thank you!
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America was the land of milk and honey but we have turned it into the land of Egypt(full of idols) and turned away from God. God will bring judgement and will destroy all the idols and take his people through the furnace of affliction into the desert and into slavery just as deuteronomy says will happen under the curses that happen to the children of God when they turn away from Him. If you can see it basically it is the same thing that happened during the time of moses an aaron...and again God will raise up a deliverer like moses to lead the people and teach them righteosness and send an aaron with him, or the two witnesses of revelation and the joshua and zerubabble type of zechariah. This moses type will feed the people during the 7 year tribulation spiritually just as Joseph fed the people physically because he knew what the dream or plan was. This aaron type is the Elijah to come and the Moses type is the greater of the two witnesses.
 Quoting: waterman


America will indeed be judged... as will the rest of the world. But America never had a covenant with God; only Israel as a nation has ever had that. God's only other covenant is with individual believers, not nations. So he may well send people to warn America, just as he might send them to the UK or Australia or anyplace else. The blessings the western world has enjoyed are, IMHO, due to the "salty" influence of the believers wherever they were, and now the "salt has lost its savor" so we see all this doom and evil. I honestly don't see any specific, unique, covenant relationship between God and America.
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during the time of solomon Israel divided into two kingdoms the northern kingdom was Israel and the southern kingdom was Judah..both were invaded by the enemy. The northern kingdom was invaded and taken into captivity and was never reunited(lost 10 tribes). Same thing happend to the southern kingdome Judah 135 years later but they came to gether again later and formed Judah and is Israel today but the lost 10 tribes still need to be reunited and this is what will happen and then when this moses and aaron type come they reunite the northern and southern kingdom and all of Israel will be one again.
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A related point is that I believe according to Jewish tradition [unsure whether in scripture or not] the Messiah can't have been Jesus Christ, because All Israel would have had to be reunited after the 10-tribe dispersion , to witness him, or Messiah wouldn't have come. But interestingly, a representative number of each of the 12 tribes was present in Judea and Jerusalem at the time,maybe because of dispersion.- the 10 tribes were so dispersed, some were even there!

What I wonder, is couldn't we all have lost tribe ancestry, known or not? I read some years ago that everyone on earth, or everyone in the northern hemisphere, or some huge area anyway, was a direct descendent of Charlemagne [around 800 CE]. If that's true, it stands to reason we'd all be descendents of every single 10 tribe person pre-dispersal, I think?
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A related point is that I believe according to Jewish tradition [unsure whether in scripture or not] the Messiah can't have been Jesus Christ, because All Israel would have had to be reunited after the 10-tribe dispersion , to witness him, or Messiah wouldn't have come. But interestingly, a representative number of each of the 12 tribes was present in Judea and Jerusalem at the time,maybe because of dispersion.- the 10 tribes were so dispersed, some were even there!

What I wonder, is couldn't we all have lost tribe ancestry, known or not? I read some years ago that everyone on earth, or everyone in the northern hemisphere, or some huge area anyway, was a direct descendent of Charlemagne [around 800 CE]. If that's true, it stands to reason we'd all be descendents of every single 10 tribe person pre-dispersal, I think?
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I don't know about the ancestry, but I wish they'd do genetic testing to prove it one way or the other so all the speculation could finally be laid to rest. All I can say for sure is that we're all related to Noah and his wife. :-)

Re. the Messiah, he was formally presented to Israel on Palm Sunday, when Jews from all over were gathered in Jerusalem for the Passover. So whether they lived there permanently or not, I don't see any reason that all 12 tribes couldn't have been present when He came, was crucified, and was risen.

The Jews also don't recognize that OT prophecy was partially fulfilled when Jesus was "cut off", and that this put a halt to the rest of the fulfillments that were supposed to have happened in rapid succession. This is where I think Preterists go astray; they don't think about the consequences of Jerusalem crucifying their Messiah. Jesus wept over this very thing.

We also have to consider how the OT scriptures were indeed altered by the scribes after the Christians were using them to prove Jesus as Messiah. The OT used by the Jews in the first century was the LXX, the Greek translation. This was what Jesus referred to as well, including when he used them to show the two walking to Emmaus after his resurrection that the prophets had foretold him. But now, we are hard-pressed to see those proofs because the scribes and rabbis obfuscated them. They did this at first by making their own Greek translation, then by making the Masoretic text in Hebrew.
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Sounds freaky damned
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Sounds freaky damned
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Absolutely. Jesus called it "a time of trouble such as has never been before and will never be again". And that's why I wrote this: Thread: Spiritual "Prepper" Instructions
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Sounds freaky damned
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Absolutely. Jesus called it "a time of trouble such as has never been before and will never be again". And that's why I wrote this: Thread: Spiritual "Prepper" Instructions
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Well, all I can say is that it's all very disappointing for me.
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Sounds freaky damned
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Absolutely. Jesus called it "a time of trouble such as has never been before and will never be again". And that's why I wrote this: Thread: Spiritual "Prepper" Instructions
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Well, all I can say is that it's all very disappointing for me.
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Why?
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Sounds freaky damned
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Absolutely. Jesus called it "a time of trouble such as has never been before and will never be again". And that's why I wrote this: Thread: Spiritual "Prepper" Instructions
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Well, all I can say is that it's all very disappointing for me.
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Why?
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Hhhmm.

I was planning on dying this year, I had brain and lung cancer, so I thought I wouldn't be around to see this " hell on Earth ' that so many talk about.

Unfortunately, I had a remission that happened overnight back in February, so I'm disappointed because it's not fair to get ready to die, then have god decide to keep me alive by giving me a miraculous healing only to keep me around to witness something horrible, according to some.

That's why
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Hhhmm.

I was planning on dying this year, I had brain and lung cancer, so I thought I wouldn't be around to see this " hell on Earth ' that so many talk about.

Unfortunately, I had a remission that happened overnight back in February, so I'm disappointed because it's not fair to get ready to die, then have god decide to keep me alive by giving me a miraculous healing only to keep me around to witness something horrible, according to some.

That's why
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So... God gave you another chance at being saved so you won't have to go through his wrath, and this is bad? You know about the Rapture, right? It's in my first point in the OP.
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Hhhmm.

I was planning on dying this year, I had brain and lung cancer, so I thought I wouldn't be around to see this " hell on Earth ' that so many talk about.

Unfortunately, I had a remission that happened overnight back in February, so I'm disappointed because it's not fair to get ready to die, then have god decide to keep me alive by giving me a miraculous healing only to keep me around to witness something horrible, according to some.

That's why
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So... God gave you another chance at being saved so you won't have to go through his wrath, and this is bad? You know about the Rapture, right? It's in my first point in the OP.
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Well, truthfully I don't know. It may have had to do with what's in the first link in my signature, some family stuff, but the funny thing about all that is that I didn't know about any of it until after I had my remission. Not even my own birthmark of the 3 wise men ( Orion's belt ).

damned spooky
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9. The old earth and space will be discarded and replaced. The New Jerusalem will be brought down from heaven to its permanent location, either just above or on the surface of the earth. There will be no more suffering, no more death, no more pain for all who belong to God, forever.
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New Jerusalem is not a physical structure - it's merely God's people. If it were a literal building, its size would compare to something like this:

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Most of the pop-eschatalogical teachings they've been selling us for decades is all contrived junk. Most of christianity will not recognize anything that unfolds from here on in. Some keys that typically are not factored into the equation:

1 Corinthians 15 tells us that ultimately, God will become "all in all". How would this work with billions supposedly burning for all eternity in a lake of fire?

Daniel 2 talks about a Stone, cut without hands, that grinds Nebuchadnezzar's statue to dust, and then grows until it fills the earth. This Stone is Christ and His kingdom.

Habakkuk 2 tells us that eventually, "the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea".

Isaiah 26 tells that when God's judgments are in the earth, its inhabitants will learn righteousness.

Psalm 2 talks about being granted the heathen as an inheritance, and the ends of the earth as a possession.

In Revelation 22, the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the peoples (Greek = ethnos).

David tells the Father in Psalm 65 "Unto thee shall all flesh come".

In Revelation, we're told that the gates of New Jerusalem never close. Isaiah 60 elaborates upon this, saying in verse 11 that they remain open so that the kings and armies of the nations may be brought within (also, see verse 5).

These things all describe what Ephesians calls "the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus" to become evident in the coming ages.
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Well, truthfully I don't know. It may have had to do with what's in the first link in my signature, some family stuff, but the funny thing about all that is that I didn't know about any of it until after I had my remission. Not even my own birthmark of the 3 wise men ( Orion's belt ).

damned spooky
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Interesting.

What I know is that you're here, reading my comments, and I'm sure this is no accident. In my other thread I gave what I think is the simplest explanation I could muster for what I believe it takes to be reconciled with God. What do you think of what I wrote? The Rapture really wouldn't apply if you're not saved, which of course is something I can't know at this point.
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Sounds freaky damned
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Absolutely. Jesus called it "a time of trouble such as has never been before and will never be again". And that's why I wrote this: Thread: Spiritual "Prepper" Instructions
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It's entirely possible that this time of "trouble" already occurred at Jerusalem's siege in 70AD. It wasn't pretty. I'm convinced that much - if not most - of the doom mentioned in the gospels applies to that time and the factions present in those days. It might be a good idea to look into alternative views of prophecy.
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Well, truthfully I don't know. It may have had to do with what's in the first link in my signature, some family stuff, but the funny thing about all that is that I didn't know about any of it until after I had my remission. Not even my own birthmark of the 3 wise men ( Orion's belt ).

damned spooky
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Interesting.

What I know is that you're here, reading my comments, and I'm sure this is no accident. In my other thread I gave what I think is the simplest explanation I could muster for what I believe it takes to be reconciled with God. What do you think of what I wrote? The Rapture really wouldn't apply if you're not saved, which of course is something I can't know at this point.
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I'll have to think about it for a bit before replying, I'm in the middle of painting my house actually, and was just on a short break when I saw your thread.

I could offer offhand that your views and my views are perhaps very different, but I bet in the end we'd have more in common than not.
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New Jerusalem is not a physical structure - it's merely God's people. If it were a literal building, its size would compare to something like this:

[link to www.bprc.org]


Most of the pop-eschatalogical teachings they've been selling us for decades is all contrived junk. Most of christianity will not recognize anything that unfolds from here on in.
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So you think that if I disagree with you, it's because I'm too ignorant or close-minded or stupid to recognize "pop" eschatology? And it's "contrived junk" because you disagree with it? And that people like me can't grasp what you said next?

I just give my opinions rather than condescend to people like that. I relish a strong argument as much as anyone, but I don't start off with wholesale judgments of their intellect or spiritual maturity. With an attitude like that, I think there's another reason people might be reluctant to read "what unfolds from here on in".

Did you even read my request in the OP to just ask me questions? Or do you intend to turn this into a flame war or what must be wrong with me? Try reconsidering your approach, and I might just find a reason to help you with those other ideas of yours.
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Sounds freaky damned
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Absolutely. Jesus called it "a time of trouble such as has never been before and will never be again". And that's why I wrote this: Thread: Spiritual "Prepper" Instructions
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It's entirely possible that this time of "trouble" already occurred at Jerusalem's siege in 70AD. It wasn't pretty. I'm convinced that much - if not most - of the doom mentioned in the gospels applies to that time and the factions present in those days. It might be a good idea to look into alternative views of prophecy.
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I'm well familiar with Preterism. I consider it thoroughly debunked.
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I'll have to think about it for a bit before replying, I'm in the middle of painting my house actually, and was just on a short break when I saw your thread.

I could offer offhand that your views and my views are perhaps very different, but I bet in the end we'd have more in common than not.
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Works for me! And I pray that your health will continue to be good.
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