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Anyone have experience with the Golden Dawn (occult order, not Greek party)?

 
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good luck to you: it is risky and i have more faith in you as a rogue force than you trained by an organizaton.
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Thanks. That's what I aspire to be in the end...
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Might I suggest Enochian over Golden Dawn.
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OP, all of what you seek is present in kabbalah, if you seek good.

You will understand and see connections not known to you before.

The Kabbalah Tree by Heindel is a good start.
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Might I suggest Enochian over Golden Dawn.
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OP, all of what you seek is present in kabbalah, if you seek good.

You will understand and see connections not known to you before.

The Kabbalah Tree by Heindel is a good start.
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I love the kabbalah, but I also seek the most exclusive knowledge, rigorous training, and like-minded connections.
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There's the dark arts; the occult of petty evil like behavioral manipulation and OSOD (occult shield of defense); concealment, deception, agenda's, the pursuit of power and the exhaltation of the serpent of self.

then theres the transparency teachings; the emphasis is on staying OUT with the following basic fundamentals:

“Before the eyes can see, they must be incapable of tears.”

“Before the ear can hear, it must have lost it's sensitiveness.”

“Before the voice can speak in the presence of the masters, it must have lost the power to wound.”

“Before the soul can stand in the presence of the masters, its feet must be washed in the blood of the heart.”



IMO It is not about embracing beliefs, but SEE ing the commencement of true, actual life.

Personally, It will take me several lifetimes; I am short of this goal now so I am a work in progress....

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You will of course do as you wish, but the real Golden Dawn has not existed since the late 1800's. All that came after has been based on the publicly accessible writings that the original members left. Crowley was the dog chasing after the car as it drove away, he failed. Good luck on your journey, the path you want to follow is the one that resonates with you.
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You will of course do as you wish, but the real Golden Dawn has not existed since the late 1800's. All that came after has been based on the publicly accessible writings that the original members left. Crowley was the dog chasing after the car as it drove away, he failed. Good luck on your journey, the path you want to follow is the one that resonates with you.
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Yes, the lineage is not quite a straight line... Do you know of an order that remains in its original state?
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There's the dark arts; the occult of petty evil like behavioral manipulation and OSOD (occult shield of defense); concealment, deception, agenda's, the pursuit of power and the exhaltation of the serpent of self.

then theres the transparency teachings; the emphasis is on staying OUT with the following basic fundamentals:

“Before the eyes can see, they must be incapable of tears.”

“Before the ear can hear, it must have lost it's sensitiveness.”

“Before the voice can speak in the presence of the masters, it must have lost the power to wound.”

“Before the soul can stand in the presence of the masters, its feet must be washed in the blood of the heart.”



IMO It is not about embracing beliefs, but SEE ing the commencement of true, actual life.

Personally, It will take me several lifetimes; I am short of this goal now so I am a work in progress....
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"Seeing the commencement of true, actual life" is just too abstract for me. I need a procedure to move forward.
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"Seeing the commencement of true, actual life" is just too abstract for me. I need a procedure to move forward.
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And this is where Enochian Magick comes in. Do you think you know better than them? Too scared? :D

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Might I suggest Enochian over Golden Dawn.
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I would think Enochian groups are harder to locate?
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Very much so.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Can one learn this on their own? I've been told that it is very difficult but I am very interested in learning.
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Sandra Tabatha Cicero is a Hermetic Christian. What does that say to you?
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Might I suggest Enochian over Golden Dawn.
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I would think Enochian groups are harder to locate?
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Very much so.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Can one learn this on their own? I've been told that it is very difficult but I am very interested in learning.
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Click the link I originally posted to get you started.
~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few.

~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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OP,

If your still here,

I am in The Golden Dawn.

Some quick facts, your initial post, already an occultist and looking to join a group to move further. That was exactly my reasoning for joining and it has been way better than I expected, it's a FRATERNITY of open minded individuals, the curriculum, the friendships, the heavy duty rituals in temple and without...

It's been incredibly wonderful and my first day, first initiation is a day of highlight in my life and one no one ever forgets ;) you couldn't make a better choice IMO. Of course I'm biased but i feel with good reason, I know the other orders/groups too, BOTA, SRIA, OTO (very familiar with OTO and lots of friends there).

As for Enochian, Enochian is of course The Angelic language rediscoverd by John Dee but originally given to Enoch by the great Angel Ave. It is a central part of the Golden Dawn.

The link you posted first post, that's David Griffins side of the GD (I have experiences with them as well), mostly european, generally here in the States, Chic and Tabby Ciccero are our mentors for the most part and this is their website:

[link to www.hermeticgoldendawn.org]

You will find contact information there, be persistent, we don't recruit and you will be checked out in many ways and if deemed of good character and intent, you MAY be invited for initiation. I may be able to help you a bit, may I ask what city you are closest too?

Pax et LVX,

Frater

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I would think Enochian groups are harder to locate?
 Quoting: Harpocrit


Very much so.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Can one learn this on their own? I've been told that it is very difficult but I am very interested in learning.
 Quoting: Bennu


Click the link I originally posted to get you started.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Hi Cheshire~Cat,

You have my curiosity going too :) but I do not see the link you mentioned having posted, would you please repost it?

Thank You and Best Wishes,

Frater
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OP,

If your still here,

I am in The Golden Dawn.

Some quick facts, your initial post, already an occultist and looking to join a group to move further. That was exactly my reasoning for joining and it has bee way better than I expected, it's a FRATERNITY of open minded individuals, the curriculum, the friendships, the heavy duty rituals in temple and without...

It's been incredibly wonderful and my first day, first initiation is a day of highlight in my life and one no one ever forgets ;) you could make a better choice IMO. Of course I'm biased but i feel with good reason, I know the other orders/groups too, BOTA, SRIA, OTO (very familiar with OTO and lots of friends there).

As for Enochian, Enochian is of course The Angelic language rediscoverd by John Dee. It is a central part of the Golden Dawn.

The link you posted first post, that's David Griffins side of the GD (I have experiences with them as well), mostly european, generally here in the States, Chic and Tabby Ciccero are our mentors for the most part and this is their website:

[link to www.hermeticgoldendawn.org]

You will find contact information there, be persistent, we don't recruit and you will be checked out in many ways and if deemed of good character and intent, you MAY be invited for initiation. I may be able to help you a bit, may I ask what city you are closest too?

Pax et LVX,

Frater
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Right, but, do you want a hybrid? Or the real thing. Don't train for the power. Train for the state of conciousness.

Pax et LVX....very eloquent :D
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[link to www.golden-dawn.com]

I am leaning towards the Golden Dawn because it has had the largest influence on Western occultism of any other organization. It is the original. (Eastern occultism is too flimsy for me--great for achieving happiness, peace, or nirvana, but not much else--not enough mystery)

I've considered theosophy, but they don't give much support to the individual member. It's more like a book club or something.

Thelema is kind of hedonistic and conflicts with a lot of my morals, like modesty and sacrifice. Aleister Crowley was a genius, but kind of creepy sometimes...

Freemasons are really shady and tend to be a bunch of old Christian men.

Rosicrucians are too splintered. The Golden Dawn is more intact.

The Golden Dawn is not like a religion and does not impose any morals on you or require that you think a certain way or believe certain philosophies. They just teach you the stuff, provide a close-knit society, and you do what you want with what you've learned. Anything but tell other people... But occult rituals would lose their power if a bunch of amateurs were attempting them without proper initiation. The power is in the secrecy. I know lots of people don't like that, but that's the way it is.

If I find out they're part of the NWO or something atrocious, I will betray them...because that is not what I will have signed up for. Otherwise, never.

I am tired of school, of life, of everything. I have other goals in life (like resistance), but I want to take a few years out and advance through all the levels until I am adept. I'm already an active occultist, but there are certain things you can only learn through an Order.

The problem is, there are several organizations that claim to be the Golden Dawn.

Anyone have experience or know which is the real one?
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Golden Dawn are pretty silly. Mostly renn faire types and rpg gamers who like to role play and dress up. If that's your thing, you'll have a blast but don't expect any great spiritual awakening to occur or to learn anything about the Universe.
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Very much so.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Can one learn this on their own? I've been told that it is very difficult but I am very interested in learning.
 Quoting: Bennu


Click the link I originally posted to get you started.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Hi Cheshire~Cat,

You have my curiosity going too :) but I do not see the link you mentioned having posted, would you please repost it?

Thank You and Best Wishes,

Frater
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Sure no prob :)

[link to www.scribd.com]
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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Right, but, do you want a hybrid? Or the real thing. Don't train for the power. Train for the state of conciousness.

Pax et LVX....very eloquent :D



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Can one learn this on their own? I've been told that it is very difficult but I am very interested in learning.
 Quoting: Bennu


Click the link I originally posted to get you started.
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Hi Cheshire~Cat,

You have my curiosity going too :) but I do not see the link you mentioned having posted, would you please repost it?

Thank You and Best Wishes,

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


Sure no prob :)

[link to www.scribd.com]
 Quoting: Cheshire~Cat


Oh, yes I see, I will get that doc from TheOccult.bz...

The GD has actually been critized for using Enochian, some like Dr Paul Foster Case felt it too dangerous. I do not but feel it should not be spoken callously or for anything other than High purposes. I.H.N.B. LOL

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Frater
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You're right. It is extremely dangerous. I suppose I did throw it out there very lightly.

You need to have actual contact with an EE and obtain their blessing or you'll be cursed for using it.

edit: the symptoms are real. whether or not you're even aware of this school.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 10/17/2012 10:28 PM
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~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.
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OP,

If your still here,

I am in The Golden Dawn.

Some quick facts, your initial post, already an occultist and looking to join a group to move further. That was exactly my reasoning for joining and it has been way better than I expected, it's a FRATERNITY of open minded individuals, the curriculum, the friendships, the heavy duty rituals in temple and without...

It's been incredibly wonderful and my first day, first initiation is a day of highlight in my life and one no one ever forgets ;) you couldn't make a better choice IMO. Of course I'm biased but i feel with good reason, I know the other orders/groups too, BOTA, SRIA, OTO (very familiar with OTO and lots of friends there).

As for Enochian, Enochian is of course The Angelic language rediscoverd by John Dee but originally given to Enoch by the great Angel Ave. It is a central part of the Golden Dawn.

The link you posted first post, that's David Griffins side of the GD (I have experiences with them as well), mostly european, generally here in the States, Chic and Tabby Ciccero are our mentors for the most part and this is their website:

[link to www.hermeticgoldendawn.org]

You will find contact information there, be persistent, we don't recruit and you will be checked out in many ways and if deemed of good character and intent, you MAY be invited for initiation. I may be able to help you a bit, may I ask what city you are closest too?

Pax et LVX,

Frater

Edited for spelling and stuff
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Wow, I'm so glad I posted this thread and then remembered to come back to it! Thanks for the help!

The city I'm in now is kind of irrelevant, because I won't be here for longer and my work is based in the Great Lakes region, Chicago and Michigan. I'm not American and I wasn't planning on staying in the US much longer. I thought it might be fun to learn occultism in Ireland or New Zealand. Some place green and rainy. I know there are Golden Dawn temples there, but I don't know exactly which faction they belong to.

When I was 13 years old, I discovered occultism and faced immense opposition from my strict religious mother and abusive father, to the point where I felt they would do anything to control my mind and I almost committed suicide because I thought it was the only way to escape. It wasn't a matter of mental illness or clinical depression--it was purely due to my circumstance and I only came close once. Then I decided never to let them win. I instead swore to spend my life fighting injustice. Dramatic, I know, but why I mention that is, I had a sustaining fantasy of going to some kind of magical academy on a green, rainy island-nation. Now I'm 18 at last and have left my family. I don't talk to my dad at all and never plan to see him again.

I went to college, because my mom was devastated in the end that she helped ruin my life and turn me into an apparently hard, untrusting, single-minded, hostile person, so she offered to pay for it. I can't stand it and I have so many advanced high school credits that I'll have an associate's degree by the end of the year, even though it's my first year and I graduated from high school early too, so I don't plan on staying for much more. I'm about to buy a small online company with the money I've saved, so I'll be able to go anywhere and not worry about a job...

I thought everything would change the moment I turned 18 and had intellectual freedom, but I'm not spiritually free and still suffer the effects of many traumas I thought I would simply forget. I feel completely apathetic and can't get off my computer. XD

I had all these goals, like being a famous political blogger, starting a corporation, and publishing books on occultism, but I now realize that I've only touched the tip of the occult iceburg compared to everyone else out here in the real free world, and I can't accomplish any of these goals without first developing my willpower.
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Cool thread OP. Wish you the best!
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I personally stay away from use of the word 'ocult' prefering instead 'mystic, mystical, or mysticism.

also stay away from use of the word hermetic, because of the modern connotations of the term, but I like hermes..
hermetic is a loaded term in its modern usage and for this reason I prefer to stay away from it.

golden dawn - i prefer to stay away, no question..
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try to stay in the white light..
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I've had some experience with the OTO-I was bored silly. They mainly seem to want you to pay to get higher rank, kind of like a very inefficent Scientology. I was not learning anything.

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OTO - golden dawn prefer to stay away..
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[link to www.golden-dawn.com]

I am leaning towards the Golden Dawn because it has had the largest influence on Western occultism of any other organization. It is the original. (Eastern occultism is too flimsy for me--great for achieving happiness, peace, or nirvana, but not much else--not enough mystery)

I've considered theosophy, but they don't give much support to the individual member. It's more like a book club or something.

Thelema is kind of hedonistic and conflicts with a lot of my morals, like modesty and sacrifice. Aleister Crowley was a genius, but kind of creepy sometimes...

Freemasons are really shady and tend to be a bunch of old Christian men.

Rosicrucians are too splintered. The Golden Dawn is more intact.

The Golden Dawn is not like a religion and does not impose any morals on you or require that you think a certain way or believe certain philosophies. They just teach you the stuff, provide a close-knit society, and you do what you want with what you've learned. Anything but tell other people... But occult rituals would lose their power if a bunch of amateurs were attempting them without proper initiation. The power is in the secrecy. I know lots of people don't like that, but that's the way it is.

If I find out they're part of the NWO or something atrocious, I will betray them...because that is not what I will have signed up for. Otherwise, never.

I am tired of school, of life, of everything. I have other goals in life (like resistance), but I want to take a few years out and advance through all the levels until I am adept. I'm already an active occultist, but there are certain things you can only learn through an Order.

The problem is, there are several organizations that claim to be the Golden Dawn.

Anyone have experience or know which is the real one?
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OP nothing can be more shadier than Golden Dawn.
They are bunch of white supremacist KKK at the top.
Really really shady.

Just goole it.
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Sorry wrong link..
[link to golden-dawn-robert-zink-chic-cicero.blogspot.jp]
TRUTH: Golden Dawn Nazis Exposed! Chic Cicero, Robert Zink, David Griffin, Maria Babwahsingh, R.A. Gilbert, Tommy Westlund, Farrell, Leitsch, Webster

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn® (HOGD), a black magical, white supremacist organization with strong ties to Neo-Nazi and white supremacist political parties and organizations around the world, has in recent years taken control of a plethora of occult orders and esoteric societies using trademarks, lawsuits, and other forms of coercion.
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white light orders of rosecrucians, masons,

to get info, search google for 'solarson godlike'

his profile and thread will pop up

try to stay in the white light.

I have never participated

i have attended a church recently

currently gnostic, not attending

a church.

don't worship the 'it'

the 'thing'

if its that moral god in disconnect, i'm ok with that..
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more than likely, its the mother goddess

spoken of in sumer tablets and nag hammadi..
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