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TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!

 
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Its the total electron count in the upper ionosphere.Here ya go.

This has been going on for almost 2 months. The TEC count has spiked off and on weekly, this is a very bad sign for total ionospheric stability.When counts are this high there aren't enough + ions to nullify these particles and they can cause F1 layer instability and become ground current active. At this stage they can become catalysts for quakes

This gives you an idea of the process!


[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Good post, wondered when this anomaly would be noticed
 Quoting: shadasonic


Please explain what this means!!

I'm not familiar with TEC!
 Quoting: Texas2012

 Quoting: shadasonic

This is why we need more solar activity.
look at this chart see how the TEC keeps going down with solar activity.
[link to www.ips.gov.au]

or more specific the TEC goes down when geomagnetic activity goes up.

so here we are seeing effects of the low solar activity in our atmosphere. what all this means ?????? i do not know........
 Quoting: psyoptics


Exactly,as crazy as it sounds we need solar flares for normalcy,our star has experienced these solar max energy outputs, well forever, and we need this energy distribution as much as the sun needs to go through them for its polarity flip. This is the same reason we're experiencing an uptick in cosmic rays(grbs),we the suns energy as a protective 'blanket' ,so to speak!
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Notwithstanding, 5 stars for real information and something most wouldnt think of looking into or sharing. just stop complaining when people dont react the way you want. I do the same-well used to-and it destroys ones desire to respect your efforts.
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Is it any coincidence that when you started responding, the TEC started to drop?
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Its the total electron count in the upper ionosphere.Here ya go.

This has been going on for almost 2 months. The TEC count has spiked off and on weekly, this is a very bad sign for total ionospheric stability.When counts are this high there aren't enough + ions to nullify these particles and they can cause F1 layer instability and become ground current active. At this stage they can become catalysts for quakes

This gives you an idea of the process!


[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Good post, wondered when this anomaly would be noticed
 Quoting: shadasonic


Please explain what this means!!

I'm not familiar with TEC!
 Quoting: Texas2012

 Quoting: shadasonic

This is why we need more solar activity.
look at this chart see how the TEC keeps going down with solar activity.
[link to www.ips.gov.au]

or more specific the TEC goes down when geomagnetic activity goes up.

so here we are seeing effects of the low solar activity in our atmosphere. what all this means ?????? i do not know........
 Quoting: psyoptics


Exactly,as crazy as it sounds we need solar flares for normalcy,our star has experienced these solar max energy outputs, well forever, and we need this energy distribution as much as the sun needs to go through them for its polarity flip. This is the same reason we're experiencing an uptick in cosmic rays(grbs),we the suns energy as a protective 'blanket' ,so to speak!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15732022


That was me psy,not logged in
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Notwithstanding, 5 stars for real information and something most wouldnt think of looking into or sharing. just stop complaining when people dont react the way you want. I do the same-well used to-and it destroys ones desire to respect your efforts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1172403


People on here watch this all the time. Solar threads and e.q. Threads will always let you know when it is extreme. Why does this stay pinned ?
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this one is fake btw, it's not updated, just an image with the date and was mentioned earlier by someone in this thread:

[link to iono.jpl.nasa.gov]

this one from same source is working:
[link to iono.jpl.nasa.gov]

but it's now at ordinairy levels like everyday!

but anyway, this one is way more interesting from time to time:
[link to iswa.ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] (magnetosphere simulation)
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Of course, politics are more important to pin than scientific anomalies. What was I thinking?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Got that right, wolfy... Now excuse me while I look into this TEC matter...


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OK - it's obvious that an 8-9 mag EQ is on the way for that region, but I'd check with EAT or Frankie for confirmation... Thanks for your work!
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All kidding aside, thanks for the info!
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There are some very spiteful and angry people on this site.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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There are some very spiteful and angry people on this site.
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hf

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 Quoting: Rising Son


hf

yinyang
 Quoting: Waterbug


Thank you, just what I needed :-)

hf

Last Edited by Rising Son on 10/19/2012 11:00 AM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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Having perused the map, does anyone wonder if this 'red' area in the south pacific has anything to do with the supposed US/Chinese war against "malevolent aliens" that was reported by Veterans Today a couple of weeks ago??
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So wait... you've been watching that map for 45 mins?

Good god....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10097155


Yes, it would be much better to say spend 45 minutes watching Jersey Shore or American Idol...than rather learn something important about the earth....and people wonder why we are in the mess we are today - you are a great example why with your ignorance and judgement.
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Can't people have an original thought? It really lacks imagination to keep repeating the "...watching American Idol.." line over an over.
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But, why is it that when I go back and look at other time periods I don't see any difference? Look at it now - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

From a year ago - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Damn, it was higher a year ago!

This thread is like the one about the Magnetometer the other day...
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But, why is it that when I go back and look at other time periods I don't see any difference? Look at it now - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

From a year ago - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Damn, it was higher a year ago!

This thread is like the one about the Magnetometer the other day...
 Quoting: TBar1984


yep, nothing to see here
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But, why is it that when I go back and look at other time periods I don't see any difference? Look at it now - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

From a year ago - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Damn, it was higher a year ago!

This thread is like the one about the Magnetometer the other day...
 Quoting: TBar1984


yep, nothing to see here
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Actually, there is something to see here. It's called learning that when someone on a YouTube video says "the highest I'VE ever seen", maybe you should check that out.

The charts were prettier a while back, check this one [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] OMG, the TEC was banging 60! How did we ever survive?
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But, why is it that when I go back and look at other time periods I don't see any difference? Look at it now - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

From a year ago - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Damn, it was higher a year ago!

This thread is like the one about the Magnetometer the other day...
 Quoting: TBar1984


yep, nothing to see here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1691552

Actually, there is something to see here. It's called learning that when someone on a YouTube video says "the highest I'VE ever seen", maybe you should check that out.

The charts were prettier a while back, check this one [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] OMG, the TEC was banging 60! How did we ever survive?
 Quoting: TBar1984


Are you satisfied yet, or do you have more garbage to spew? You must really have a sad life if you get joy out of ridiculing others. Just remember, that says more about you than the object of your immaturity.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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But, why is it that when I go back and look at other time periods I don't see any difference? Look at it now - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

From a year ago - [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Damn, it was higher a year ago!

This thread is like the one about the Magnetometer the other day...
 Quoting: TBar1984


yep, nothing to see here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1691552

Actually, there is something to see here. It's called learning that when someone on a YouTube video says "the highest I'VE ever seen", maybe you should check that out.

The charts were prettier a while back, check this one [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] OMG, the TEC was banging 60! How did we ever survive?
 Quoting: TBar1984


Are you satisfied yet, or do you have more garbage to spew? You must really have a sad life if you get joy out of ridiculing others. Just remember, that says more about you than the object of your immaturity.
 Quoting: Rising Son

You must hate it when someone does research and presents facts. It must suck to be you.

Prove it's garbage.
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yep, nothing to see here
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Actually, there is something to see here. It's called learning that when someone on a YouTube video says "the highest I'VE ever seen", maybe you should check that out.

The charts were prettier a while back, check this one [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] OMG, the TEC was banging 60! How did we ever survive?
 Quoting: TBar1984


Are you satisfied yet, or do you have more garbage to spew? You must really have a sad life if you get joy out of ridiculing others. Just remember, that says more about you than the object of your immaturity.
 Quoting: Rising Son

You must hate it when someone does research and presents facts. It must suck to be you.

Prove it's garbage.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I guess you weren't done. I have said before that I am new to this and that I was simply presenting something I thought was important. Instead of politely showing me the error of my ways, you chose to instead demonstrate your own arrogance. That's okay, you'll learn eventually.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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Actually, there is something to see here. It's called learning that when someone on a YouTube video says "the highest I'VE ever seen", maybe you should check that out.

The charts were prettier a while back, check this one [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] OMG, the TEC was banging 60! How did we ever survive?
 Quoting: TBar1984


Are you satisfied yet, or do you have more garbage to spew? You must really have a sad life if you get joy out of ridiculing others. Just remember, that says more about you than the object of your immaturity.
 Quoting: Rising Son

You must hate it when someone does research and presents facts. It must suck to be you.

Prove it's garbage.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I guess you weren't done. I have said before that I am new to this and that I was simply presenting something I thought was important. Instead of politely showing me the error of my ways, you chose to instead demonstrate your own arrogance. That's okay, you'll learn eventually.
 Quoting: Rising Son

We are at page 6. Have you even bothered to check any prior data? It isn't difficult. It's very easy. Why haven't you bothered to do the least amount of research? Had you planned to check any prior data? When someone fails to do the most basic of research, their intentions become suspect. My intentions are clear, yours....not so much.
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Are you satisfied yet, or do you have more garbage to spew? You must really have a sad life if you get joy out of ridiculing others. Just remember, that says more about you than the object of your immaturity.
 Quoting: Rising Son

You must hate it when someone does research and presents facts. It must suck to be you.

Prove it's garbage.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I guess you weren't done. I have said before that I am new to this and that I was simply presenting something I thought was important. Instead of politely showing me the error of my ways, you chose to instead demonstrate your own arrogance. That's okay, you'll learn eventually.
 Quoting: Rising Son

We are at page 6. Have you even bothered to check any prior data? It isn't difficult. It's very easy. Why haven't you bothered to do the least amount of research? Had you planned to check any prior data? When someone fails to do the most basic of research, their intentions become suspect. My intentions are clear, yours....not so much.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I agree - your intentions are crystal clear. No doubt about it.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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So, a model has predicted the TEC for certain areas. This is not a measurement, it's a model.

What's your thesis? Just pointing at the data is not enough. What do you think the implications are, now that this predictive model has "maxed out?"

I see a lot of people linking to solar and atmospheric and ionospheric data readouts, and commenting on how "high" or "low" they appear to be, but what's the significance of it in your opinion?

I'm only mildly qualified, as an amateur radio operator, to give an opinion on space weather. I'd like to hear your opinion on these matters.

I wouldn't be too surprised at the chicken little comments, though, because if you are herpin' and derpin' doom and nothing happens, you lost a lot of credibility. It's not "hate" it's an ongoing assessment of the usefulness of your theses.
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Are you satisfied yet, or do you have more garbage to spew? You must really have a sad life if you get joy out of ridiculing others. Just remember, that says more about you than the object of your immaturity.
 Quoting: Rising Son

You must hate it when someone does research and presents facts. It must suck to be you.

Prove it's garbage.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I guess you weren't done. I have said before that I am new to this and that I was simply presenting something I thought was important. Instead of politely showing me the error of my ways, you chose to instead demonstrate your own arrogance. That's okay, you'll learn eventually.
 Quoting: Rising Son

We are at page 6. Have you even bothered to check any prior data? It isn't difficult. It's very easy. Why haven't you bothered to do the least amount of research? Had you planned to check any prior data? When someone fails to do the most basic of research, their intentions become suspect. My intentions are clear, yours....not so much.
 Quoting: TBar1984


What the heck is going on around here with all you science guys who seem to not be able to keep your anger and sarcasim in check recently? Unless you are one of the GLP Science God's, you shouldn't be posting anything related to solar activity?

Can I remind you first of all that you are on GLP. If you were all that as a science guy, you'd be on some science forum debating with the experts rather than being on GLP.

I suggest you read this thread from the beginning, afterwhich you can read this:
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
(I know, you already know where to find this information)

Then understand that the TEC is behaving in a manner we are not accustomed to seeing very recently and a thread on this subject is appropriate. I don't really care about researching the previous tech maps and charts. What is currently happening cannot be compared to any chart from six months ago. Yes the tech has been this high in the past. However, this was generally due to solar activity...not inactivity.

I don't think it matters anyway. You probably have already derailed this thread which was your intention. So if that is the case and you read this TBar, consider this. The world learned what it has learned without you in the past. Nobody has assigned you as the guardian of science information on GLP. I am a free willed person and will read any thread on GLP I want and then IF I CHOOSE, I'll research to verify the information I read.

So now, why don't you let the OP alone or better yet, go to Anon. Astrophysicist's thread. That's where this kind of behavior is at it's best. You'll get along just fine there. Another option is for you science people who think you are all that, to start a new solar thread where you can behave any way you want. I really am saddened by your behavior on this thread.

OP, please carry on and I will bump your thread.
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So, a model has predicted the TEC for certain areas. This is not a measurement, it's a model.

What's your thesis? Just pointing at the data is not enough. What do you think the implications are, now that this predictive model has "maxed out?"

I see a lot of people linking to solar and atmospheric and ionospheric data readouts, and commenting on how "high" or "low" they appear to be, but what's the significance of it in your opinion?

I'm only mildly qualified, as an amateur radio operator, to give an opinion on space weather. I'd like to hear your opinion on these matters.

I wouldn't be too surprised at the chicken little comments, though, because if you are herpin' and derpin' doom and nothing happens, you lost a lot of credibility. It's not "hate" it's an ongoing assessment of the usefulness of your theses.
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So rather than being condescending like this, why don't you simply educate and stop trying to make people feel so uneducated.

Why don't you tell us why the TEC is higher than average in the absence of solar activity.
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So, a model has predicted the TEC for certain areas. This is not a measurement, it's a model.

What's your thesis? Just pointing at the data is not enough. What do you think the implications are, now that this predictive model has "maxed out?"

I see a lot of people linking to solar and atmospheric and ionospheric data readouts, and commenting on how "high" or "low" they appear to be, but what's the significance of it in your opinion?

I'm only mildly qualified, as an amateur radio operator, to give an opinion on space weather. I'd like to hear your opinion on these matters.

I wouldn't be too surprised at the chicken little comments, though, because if you are herpin' and derpin' doom and nothing happens, you lost a lot of credibility. It's not "hate" it's an ongoing assessment of the usefulness of your theses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22342469


So rather than being condescending like this, why don't you simply educate and stop trying to make people feel so uneducated.

Why don't you tell us why the TEC is higher than average in the absence of solar activity.
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I only said I'm mildly qualified to talk about space weather. I'm not the OP, who apparently knows something BIG is coming! At least, that's the impression he gives us.

Look at his headline - "TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!" Getting "worse?" That would imply that the current MODELED (not measured!) TEC is somehow bad, and yet he doesn't tell us why? I'd be directing my pissy-pants rage at the OP for playing Chicken Little, and not at me for merely asking why this is "bad" and why it is going to get "worse." Especially when we are looking at a modeled prediction, and not a measurement.

This chicken little, sky is falling, herpy derpy dum dum shit needs to stop. A more appropriate way to open this thread would be with a headline like this:

TEC count seems unusually high! Does anybody know why this is?

NOT this:

TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!

One makes you sound like a curious, scientific minded person who wants to understand the data. The other makes you sound like an alarmist doomtard, and unless your doomy predictions actually result in REAL DOOM, you lose LOTS OF CREDIBILITY!

Now we know that the OP is the kind of guy who likes looking at bouncing readouts and once they get into the "red" well, hoooooboy it's time to sound the alarm! Never mind that he doesn't understand what the needle even measures!
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So, a model has predicted the TEC for certain areas. This is not a measurement, it's a model.

What's your thesis? Just pointing at the data is not enough. What do you think the implications are, now that this predictive model has "maxed out?"

I see a lot of people linking to solar and atmospheric and ionospheric data readouts, and commenting on how "high" or "low" they appear to be, but what's the significance of it in your opinion?

I'm only mildly qualified, as an amateur radio operator, to give an opinion on space weather. I'd like to hear your opinion on these matters.

I wouldn't be too surprised at the chicken little comments, though, because if you are herpin' and derpin' doom and nothing happens, you lost a lot of credibility. It's not "hate" it's an ongoing assessment of the usefulness of your theses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22342469


So rather than being condescending like this, why don't you simply educate and stop trying to make people feel so uneducated.

Why don't you tell us why the TEC is higher than average in the absence of solar activity.
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I only said I'm mildly qualified to talk about space weather. I'm not the OP, who apparently knows something BIG is coming! At least, that's the impression he gives us.

Look at his headline - "TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!" Getting "worse?" That would imply that the current MODELED (not measured!) TEC is somehow bad, and yet he doesn't tell us why? I'd be directing my pissy-pants rage at the OP for playing Chicken Little, and not at me for merely asking why this is "bad" and why it is going to get "worse." Especially when we are looking at a modeled prediction, and not a measurement.

This chicken little, sky is falling, herpy derpy dum dum shit needs to stop. A more appropriate way to open this thread would be with a headline like this:

TEC count seems unusually high! Does anybody know why this is?

NOT this:

TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!

One makes you sound like a curious, scientific minded person who wants to understand the data. The other makes you sound like an alarmist doomtard, and unless your doomy predictions actually result in REAL DOOM, you lose LOTS OF CREDIBILITY!

Now we know that the OP is the kind of guy who likes looking at bouncing readouts and once they get into the "red" well, hoooooboy it's time to sound the alarm! Never mind that he doesn't understand what the needle even measures!
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LOL - you sound like a spoiled little child who has to share the attention with his newborn baby brother. That's what you are really upset about, and your jealousy gives you away.

When I mentioned earlier in the thread that I am new at this and that I would be remiss in making any predictions off of this data, I meant it. You stating that you are mildly qualified is a poor attempt to veil your arrogance. Wow.

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You must hate it when someone does research and presents facts. It must suck to be you.

Prove it's garbage.
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I guess you weren't done. I have said before that I am new to this and that I was simply presenting something I thought was important. Instead of politely showing me the error of my ways, you chose to instead demonstrate your own arrogance. That's okay, you'll learn eventually.
 Quoting: Rising Son

We are at page 6. Have you even bothered to check any prior data? It isn't difficult. It's very easy. Why haven't you bothered to do the least amount of research? Had you planned to check any prior data? When someone fails to do the most basic of research, their intentions become suspect. My intentions are clear, yours....not so much.
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What the heck is going on around here with all you science guys who seem to not be able to keep your anger and sarcasim in check recently? Unless you are one of the GLP Science God's, you shouldn't be posting anything related to solar activity?

Can I remind you first of all that you are on GLP. If you were all that as a science guy, you'd be on some science forum debating with the experts rather than being on GLP.

I suggest you read this thread from the beginning, afterwhich you can read this:
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
(I know, you already know where to find this information)

Then understand that the TEC is behaving in a manner we are not accustomed to seeing very recently and a thread on this subject is appropriate. I don't really care about researching the previous tech maps and charts. What is currently happening cannot be compared to any chart from six months ago. Yes the tech has been this high in the past. However, this was generally due to solar activity...not inactivity.

I don't think it matters anyway. You probably have already derailed this thread which was your intention. So if that is the case and you read this TBar, consider this. The world learned what it has learned without you in the past. Nobody has assigned you as the guardian of science information on GLP. I am a free willed person and will read any thread on GLP I want and then IF I CHOOSE, I'll research to verify the information I read.

So now, why don't you let the OP alone or better yet, go to Anon. Astrophysicist's thread. That's where this kind of behavior is at it's best. You'll get along just fine there. Another option is for you science people who think you are all that, to start a new solar thread where you can behave any way you want. I really am saddened by your behavior on this thread.

OP, please carry on and I will bump your thread.
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jerkit

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Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 202)

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So, a model has predicted the TEC for certain areas. This is not a measurement, it's a model.

What's your thesis? Just pointing at the data is not enough. What do you think the implications are, now that this predictive model has "maxed out?"

I see a lot of people linking to solar and atmospheric and ionospheric data readouts, and commenting on how "high" or "low" they appear to be, but what's the significance of it in your opinion?

I'm only mildly qualified, as an amateur radio operator, to give an opinion on space weather. I'd like to hear your opinion on these matters.

I wouldn't be too surprised at the chicken little comments, though, because if you are herpin' and derpin' doom and nothing happens, you lost a lot of credibility. It's not "hate" it's an ongoing assessment of the usefulness of your theses.
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So rather than being condescending like this, why don't you simply educate and stop trying to make people feel so uneducated.

Why don't you tell us why the TEC is higher than average in the absence of solar activity.
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I only said I'm mildly qualified to talk about space weather. I'm not the OP, who apparently knows something BIG is coming! At least, that's the impression he gives us.

Look at his headline - "TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!" Getting "worse?" That would imply that the current MODELED (not measured!) TEC is somehow bad, and yet he doesn't tell us why? I'd be directing my pissy-pants rage at the OP for playing Chicken Little, and not at me for merely asking why this is "bad" and why it is going to get "worse." Especially when we are looking at a modeled prediction, and not a measurement.

This chicken little, sky is falling, herpy derpy dum dum shit needs to stop. A more appropriate way to open this thread would be with a headline like this:

TEC count seems unusually high! Does anybody know why this is?

NOT this:

TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!

One makes you sound like a curious, scientific minded person who wants to understand the data. The other makes you sound like an alarmist doomtard, and unless your doomy predictions actually result in REAL DOOM, you lose LOTS OF CREDIBILITY!

Now we know that the OP is the kind of guy who likes looking at bouncing readouts and once they get into the "red" well, hoooooboy it's time to sound the alarm! Never mind that he doesn't understand what the needle even measures!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22342469


LOL - you sound like a spoiled little child who has to share the attention with his newborn baby brother. When I mentioned earlier in the thread that I am new at this and that I would be remiss in making any predictions off of this data, I meant it. You stating that you are mildly qualified is a poor attempt to veil your arrogance. Wow.

baby
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I find this curious - you decided to post an alarmist thread about some MODELED (NOT MEASURED) data, about how the situation's "getting worse" (implying that it's already bad) and now you come back and call me a petulant child for calling you out as a doomtard?

I'm not arrogant, I think you are for making doomy noises and then veiling your ignorance by claiming you're "new at this." New at what? What is it exactly that you're new at? Staring at charts and just magically coming up statements regarding their significance? What's your thesis? Without a thesis of some kind, based upon observation, you will never be able to use the data (well, it's not even data, it's a computer model) in order to arrive at any kind of understanding.

You're full of it. You know it, I know it, the rest of the people here know it. Why don't you apologize for your crass, doomy, ridiculous headline? Or am I arrogant for suggesting such a course of action?

yoda
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There are some very spiteful and angry people on this site.
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So, a model has predicted the TEC for certain areas. This is not a measurement, it's a model.

This is the link in the original thread:
[link to www.ips.gov.au]

This near real-time ionospheric Total Electron Content (TEC) global map is produced at IPS by using the IRI-2007 ionospheric model with real-time foF2 data obtained from the region. You can compare this derived product with the NASA JPL Global TEC Map. Note that the IPS dervied map may lag the NASA JPL map by an hour and is centred on a different longitude.

Many people use this map. Are you saying that all of them are looking at the wrong map? I work in the research industry (not solar related) and I do know what derived means. It means it is data that is extracted from various sources and not directly from one source. This does not mean the data is not correct by any means.

What's your thesis? Just pointing at the data is not enough. What do you think the implications are, now that this predictive model has "maxed out?"

I see a lot of people linking to solar and atmospheric and ionospheric data readouts, and commenting on how "high" or "low" they appear to be, but what's the significance of it in your opinion?

Why does this bother you so much that you have to come onto this thread and heckle the OP? Other people have come onto this thread and given their knowledge, thus this thread is not useless.

I'm only mildly qualified, as an amateur radio operator, to give an opinion on space weather. I'd like to hear your opinion on these matters.

Why do you want OP's opinion. You sound to me like you are baiting him. You obviously know more th him from your statement above. If so, why don't you tell others your knowledge instead of putting people down rather than act like you are uneducated and know little. It is apparent from your questions that you are far more knowlegeable than you say?

I wouldn't be too surprised at the chicken little comments, though, because if you are herpin' and derpin' doom and nothing happens, you lost a lot of credibility. It's not "hate" it's an ongoing assessment of the usefulness of your theses.
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So rather than being condescending like this, why don't you simply educate and stop trying to make people feel so uneducated.

Why don't you tell us why the TEC is higher than average in the absence of solar activity.
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I only said I'm mildly qualified to talk about space weather. I'm not the OP, who apparently knows something BIG is coming! At least, that's the impression he gives us.

Again, I call BS. You know you are more than mildly qualified. Why are you harrassing this particular OP?

Look at his headline - "TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!" Getting "worse?" That would imply that the current MODELED (not measured!) TEC is somehow bad, and yet he doesn't tell us why? I'd be directing my pissy-pants rage at the OP for playing Chicken Little, and not at me for merely asking why this is "bad" and why it is going to get "worse." Especially when we are looking at a modeled prediction, and not a measurement.

This chicken little, sky is falling, herpy derpy dum dum shit needs to stop. A more appropriate way to open this thread would be with a headline like this:

TEC count seems unusually high! Does anybody know why this is?

NOT this:

TEC Is Literally Off The Charts And Getting Worse!!!!!
This is GLP. Everyone sensationalizes their titles to get people to look at their threads. If you don't care for that kind of thing, you are on the wrong forum.

One makes you sound like a curious, scientific minded person who wants to understand the data. The other makes you sound like an alarmist doomtard, and unless your doomy predictions actually result in REAL DOOM, you lose LOTS OF CREDIBILITY!

Now we know that the OP is the kind of guy who likes looking at bouncing readouts and once they get into the "red" well, hoooooboy it's time to sound the alarm! Never mind that he doesn't understand what the needle even measures!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22342469


Please see my responses to your post above and below:

OP has continuously qualified himself througout this entire thread in a very humble manner. Here are some of the things he has said:

It stands for Total Electron Content, and it is a measurement of the amount of electrons within the ionosphere. It is a very good indication of significant solar radiation reaching earth's atmosphere.

I believe each site is linked to a different sensor, or their data path may be different. I've found the Australian link to be particularly helpful and easy to use.

I'm in the same boat. I certainly don't claim to be an expert on any of this, but I have learned a lot from sites like this and others.

As Lady Annie pointed out, this is right over the same area as the 8.9M double EQ earlier this year, along the Indo-Australian plate. All we can do is look at the data, as far as predicting an earthquake - your guess is as good as mine

I appreciate your input, and as I said in an earlier post, I would be remiss in attempting to predict any type of weather or geo anomaly using this data. I was simply pointing out that the TEC was much higher and widespread than I've seen it before. I also watch it on a daily basis, but I've only started doing so this year. I prefer to keep an open mind, and contemplate all possibilities.


OP has qualified himself as a novice. So I want to ask again. What is your reason for harrassing this OP...both you and TBar?

I do believe you have successfully derailed this thread, so I'm sure you will move on now.

Please before you do, I would seriously like to understand why you and others use this type of offensive behavior. There were a few people who came on this thread and were respectful and offered information that was solid.
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I guess you weren't done. I have said before that I am new to this and that I was simply presenting something I thought was important. Instead of politely showing me the error of my ways, you chose to instead demonstrate your own arrogance. That's okay, you'll learn eventually.
 Quoting: Rising Son

We are at page 6. Have you even bothered to check any prior data? It isn't difficult. It's very easy. Why haven't you bothered to do the least amount of research? Had you planned to check any prior data? When someone fails to do the most basic of research, their intentions become suspect. My intentions are clear, yours....not so much.
 Quoting: TBar1984


What the heck is going on around here with all you science guys who seem to not be able to keep your anger and sarcasim in check recently? Unless you are one of the GLP Science God's, you shouldn't be posting anything related to solar activity?

Can I remind you first of all that you are on GLP. If you were all that as a science guy, you'd be on some science forum debating with the experts rather than being on GLP.

I suggest you read this thread from the beginning, afterwhich you can read this:
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
(I know, you already know where to find this information)

Then understand that the TEC is behaving in a manner we are not accustomed to seeing very recently and a thread on this subject is appropriate. I don't really care about researching the previous tech maps and charts. What is currently happening cannot be compared to any chart from six months ago. Yes the tech has been this high in the past. However, this was generally due to solar activity...not inactivity.

I don't think it matters anyway. You probably have already derailed this thread which was your intention. So if that is the case and you read this TBar, consider this. The world learned what it has learned without you in the past. Nobody has assigned you as the guardian of science information on GLP. I am a free willed person and will read any thread on GLP I want and then IF I CHOOSE, I'll research to verify the information I read.

So now, why don't you let the OP alone or better yet, go to Anon. Astrophysicist's thread. That's where this kind of behavior is at it's best. You'll get along just fine there. Another option is for you science people who think you are all that, to start a new solar thread where you can behave any way you want. I really am saddened by your behavior on this thread.

OP, please carry on and I will bump your thread.
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jerkit

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Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 202)

rofl
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tomato ROFLMAO. I knew you had to have been on that thread too. You seem to have too much time on your hands.
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Here are some of the GLP threads at the moment:

super pinned thread:
Thread: WTF?! Where's the DOOM - Where are the conspiracies?

Now here is a well thought out thread that is pinned:
Thread: 95% of blacks thhought OJ was innocent ,95% of blacks support Obama......

Another pinned thread:
Thread: Girl Breaks Up with Boyfriend Right Before He Buys $30,500,000 Lottery Ticket


I think that is enough. Again, why this particular thread? You are in the wrong place if you want to harrass a person for the title of their thread....just saying!
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We are at page 6. Have you even bothered to check any prior data? It isn't difficult. It's very easy. Why haven't you bothered to do the least amount of research? Had you planned to check any prior data? When someone fails to do the most basic of research, their intentions become suspect. My intentions are clear, yours....not so much.
 Quoting: TBar1984


What the heck is going on around here with all you science guys who seem to not be able to keep your anger and sarcasim in check recently? Unless you are one of the GLP Science God's, you shouldn't be posting anything related to solar activity?

Can I remind you first of all that you are on GLP. If you were all that as a science guy, you'd be on some science forum debating with the experts rather than being on GLP.

I suggest you read this thread from the beginning, afterwhich you can read this:
[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]
(I know, you already know where to find this information)

Then understand that the TEC is behaving in a manner we are not accustomed to seeing very recently and a thread on this subject is appropriate. I don't really care about researching the previous tech maps and charts. What is currently happening cannot be compared to any chart from six months ago. Yes the tech has been this high in the past. However, this was generally due to solar activity...not inactivity.

I don't think it matters anyway. You probably have already derailed this thread which was your intention. So if that is the case and you read this TBar, consider this. The world learned what it has learned without you in the past. Nobody has assigned you as the guardian of science information on GLP. I am a free willed person and will read any thread on GLP I want and then IF I CHOOSE, I'll research to verify the information I read.

So now, why don't you let the OP alone or better yet, go to Anon. Astrophysicist's thread. That's where this kind of behavior is at it's best. You'll get along just fine there. Another option is for you science people who think you are all that, to start a new solar thread where you can behave any way you want. I really am saddened by your behavior on this thread.

OP, please carry on and I will bump your thread.
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jerkit

[link to www.haarp.alaska.edu]

Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 202)

rofl
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tomato ROFLMAO. I knew you had to have been on that thread too. You seem to have too much time on your hands.
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Retirement is a bitch. I'd leave retirement to work at a place such as the one below though. The new instruments coming out today are much better than anything from just a decade ago. Too bad some people try to insinuate every new source of data spells Doomsday even though some of the data wasn't even possible just a few years ago. How do they know what the data would have shown a few decades ago? Whatever.


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