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Tom Bombadil

 
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Did Peter Jackson make a mistake leaving him out?
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I think so. While not having read the book myself, I heard my brother say, after having watched the films, his omission was quite a surprise to him. After all Frodo spends two nights in Tom's house while en route to Mordor and it is there they find out he possesses the unique trait of not being influenced by the One Ring at all.
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10/19/2012 10:51 PM
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yes. hes a huge part of the book
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10/19/2012 11:02 PM
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This is not the only omision. Hell they even added shit to the movies that didnt happen in the books. Like the elves coming to helms deep. That was the fucking rangers not the elves!
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10/19/2012 11:22 PM
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The official answers are recorded on wikipedia are likely true. specifically, most of the directors felt Bombadil would confuse the audience and perhaps set the screenplay storytelling back.

It would be like if you knew that that a) The Japanese ambassadors delivered the declaration of war to the USA two days before pearl harbor. b) they picked up the approaching japanese aircraft on radar and did not sound the alarm. a+b = means you dont have to explain the true geo politics behind WWII and that it was baked in the cake. Then you can demonize an incredibly honorable people like the japanese. Or, if you figured out just a) or b) you can blame it on just the subterfuge or incompetence of just that compartmentalized set of actors.

If the Bombadil story was included, they'd have to explain that the council did not chose him to carry the ring or be part of the party. mess with story in regard to the hero's shown, and the failed heros.

In this metaphor, Tolkienverse Tom Bombadil joining the fellowship would probably have been like the USA's role in WWII. But in How could you explain the reality world today if the USA did not get involved?
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10/19/2012 11:24 PM
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The official answers are recorded on wikipedia are likely true. specifically, most of the directors felt Bombadil would confuse the audience and perhaps set the screenplay storytelling back.

It would be like if you knew that that a) The Japanese ambassadors delivered the declaration of war to the USA two days before pearl harbor. b) they picked up the approaching japanese aircraft on radar and did not sound the alarm. a+b = means you dont have to explain the true geo politics behind WWII and that it was baked in the cake. Then you can demonize an incredibly honorable people like the japanese. Or, if you figured out just a) or b) you can blame it on just the subterfuge or incompetence of just that compartmentalized set of actors.

If the Bombadil story was included, they'd have to explain that the council did not chose him to carry the ring or be part of the party. mess with story in regard to the hero's shown, and the failed heros.

In this metaphor, Tolkienverse Tom Bombadil joining the fellowship would probably have been like the USA's role in WWII. But in How could you explain the reality world today if the USA did not get involved?
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no Gandalf explains that at the end of the books
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Worst of all was the death of Saruman in the movie
and skipping the entire Scouring of the Shire but making a 30 minute closing sceen at the docks

I don't have my books here to reference
but it was a horrible hack job
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10/19/2012 11:29 PM
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I like how the movie skips from buckleberry ferry right to the gate at Bree
then you wait for the special extended version and it's still not in there
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10/19/2012 11:30 PM
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no Gandalf explains that at the end of the books
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How do you interpret gandalf's explanation? Remember, Tolkien said "the characters in my books are my characters, they are not me (the author)" Meaning just because treebeard says he is the oldest being in middle earth, that does not mean he (the character) is correct.
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also most of the fight in Moria was completely way wrong and they didn't battle a cave troll, they ran away

also they made 45 minutes of them jumping accross a chasm on a collapsing stone stairs that never happened in the book either

but they included enough of Lothlorien, to put you to sleep

The entire fight with Shelob in the movie was someone elses imagination

the whole movie was screwed up eye candy

The Trilogy was awesome to read, why change it?
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10/19/2012 11:45 PM
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no Gandalf explains that at the end of the books
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How do you interpret gandalf's explanation? Remember, Tolkien said "the characters in my books are my characters, they are not me (the author)" Meaning just because treebeard says he is the oldest being in middle earth, that does not mean he (the character) is correct.
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i don't have the books here, but Gandalf says that Tom Bombadil had no intrest in such things or something like that, and then he says if Bombadil even would accept to keep it, he would forget about it or throw it away.

I guess Tolkien was stressing that not everyone was compeled to join the Fellowship. He did save the Hobbits Twice and helped alot. After all it was voluntary. Tolkien seemd to give the impression that it did not matter much to Bombadil who had the ring, but I think he might have said that even Bombadil would fall eventually.

But then why didn't Elrond or Galadriel go either?
Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond had the three rings of the Elves still. They chose stealth and evasion not marching into Mordor as an army.
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Bombadil and Goldberry were like Adam and Eve still living in the Garden of Eden.

And why did Gandalf have one of the three Elves rings? He was one of the 5 Wizards called the 'Istari' from the Undying Lands. It doesen't say he was an elf. It says they just showed up as old men. I think it was given to him but I can't remember.

Anyway if you read the books by Christopher Tolkien they go into detail about the subplot and how Tolkien came up with the final drafts through reworking his ideas until he was satisfied.

Aragorn starts out as a Hobbit named 'Trotter' with his feet amputated by Sauron and has wooden feet.
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Bombadil even takes the ring and puts it on. It doesn't do anything to him.
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10/19/2012 11:57 PM
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Maybe power struggles just weren't Bombadil's gig.
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i don't have the books here, but Gandalf says that Tom Bombadil had no intrest in such things or something like that, and then he says if Bombadil even would accept to keep it, he would forget about it or throw it away.

I guess Tolkien was stressing that not everyone was compeled to join the Fellowship. He did save the Hobbits Twice and helped alot. After all it was voluntary. Tolkien seemd to give the impression that it did not matter much to Bombadil who had the ring, but I think he might have said that even Bombadil would fall eventually.

But then why didn't Elrond or Galadriel go either?
Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond had the three rings of the Elves still. They chose stealth and evasion not marching into Mordor as an army.
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based on what you said, I think you and I are about 90% in agreement, but that 10% is the stuff that makes it seem a full contrast. My metaphor is probably not as good as it should be. But if the typical american knew the subterfuge used to bring them into the final colonial world war (WWII) it is very unlikely they would get involved.

Perhaps for selfish reasons, in that the USA did not need colonies. they had vast land and resources, including (at the time) pristine wilderness... they were also basically invincible on their home turf ... or they might have just thought it silly... like tom.

Just my crazy idea. but I do know Tolkien was heavy influenced by WWI and WWII.

As far as the elven royalty, well, you know what I would say next. well met sir.
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Bombadil even takes the ring and puts it on. It doesn't do anything to him.
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I know it wasn't a perfect rendition, but let's face it, at least PJ brought to life one the most inspiring pieces of literature written in the last century. Had he not this generation and many others would not have even known the wonders of Middle Earth and it's occupants. It's not exactly required reading in public schools, unfortunately.

I can't wait for the Hobbit to hit the screens. It's inspiring my kids to read the books.
Definitely not made for this world--at least not this century.

...you are dangerous to everyone---not because you are ungifted, but because you embrace evil with your teachings. In so doing, in trying to be kind, to be unselfish, in trying to be nonjudgmental, you allow evil to become far more powerful than it otherwise would. You refuse to see evil, and so you welcome it among you. You allow it to exist. You give it power over you. You are a people who have welcomed death and refuse to denounce it. You are an empire naked to the shadow of evil. Terry Goodkind, NAKED EMPIRE
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I went to bed but I came back to gripe some more about the movie

Most of the Going away party was made up by Jackson.
Like the fact that 3 Hobbits left Hobbiton, on their own. Gandalf wasn't even there anymore. They skipped Farmer Maggots place and had him running through the fields with a scythe. And there was no Crickhollow in the Movie. And the fourth Hobbit conspirator didn't meet up with them until they got to Buckland.
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Bombadil even takes the ring and puts it on. It doesn't do anything to him.
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I know it wasn't a perfect rendition, but let's face it, at least PJ brought to life one the most inspiring pieces of literature written in the last century. Had he not this generation and many others would not have even known the wonders of Middle Earth and it's occupants. It's not exactly required reading in public schools, unfortunately.

I can't wait for the Hobbit to hit the screens. It's inspiring my kids to read the books.
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no he butchered it
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Now we get three movies from a tiny prequell The Hobbit that you can read in a couple days.
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Now we get three movies from a tiny prequell The Hobbit that you can read in a couple days.
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This is the true fail. after the first trilogy Christopher Lee was quoted as saying he passionately wanted to be apart of the prequel to show Sauramon's fall/corruption. (he used to be a good guy for the folks who dont know)

Jackson and the studio got into a pissing match over money, so there was no way he could start filming those scenes while Lee was willing to travel (dude was 80 at the time, now he is 90)

So now we are going to get 180 minutes of CGI blood and gore. and maybe 100 minutes of legitimate film.

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