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the violin is a wonderful instrument,,

the bow creates the perfect resonance,,

the seed shall grow with sweet music indeed,,

much love,,
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love all,,

forgive all,,

understand this is how love is,,

all choices of others that may seem wrong or right,, are only the judgements of an ego based [a particular , in fact, necessary] perception,,

so it may be realised that the essence of the greator lesson is love,,

the duality perception serves as the lesson,,


perhaps it is a good time too graduate,,


much love,,
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you seem like a sweet guy, nobody.

i've watched your posts become more and more cryptic/lyrical over these past coupla years and while many are opaque, we are left with sweetness, if not a bit of head scratching...

but i gotta say, while "love" is a great lesson, and is the best conduit thru which to touch/communicate with God, humans, and animals alike, it is, by no means the sole and last destination.

love is a pathway that leads to data flow(understanding) that informs choices that lead to *action*.

"action" being just as important as "love" in this metaphysical equation.

so many regurgitate "love" "love" "love" and while this is sweet, it leaves the pratically minded at a bit of a loss. They are left asking: why? particularly when their hearts tell them that truth is to be found in action: in demonstration.

"the proof in the pudding"

why love? whats the point? what does it achieve? WHY should i/they make myself/themselves vulnerable like that? they might ask themselves...

and i would say because love is the 'wire', the conduit, the *pathway* to a data rich communication channel that informs : whether we seek understanding from God or our loved ones.

and its not a "tit for tat" sorta deal. do not 'give' love in order to receive it. we open ourselves thru love and caring to our half of the data network that includes all beings, and God, of course.

love is not a 'gift'. it is an openning of a door, a switching of the valve, an unlocking of the heart.

love leads to information/understanding that informs choices and leads to ACTION. anything else is just pretending: acting.

and i am here to tell you, nobody, that when the door is opened and the channel established, the resulting experience is an indescribably amazing full body/mind *HOLY FUCK*!!!

and it always leads to action: to expression in the tangible.


just sayin'
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Well said. In those times when you can't think of the words to say or the steps to make, remember, your heart still beats.
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Hosea 2:16 "In that day," declares the LORD, "you will call me 'my husband'; you will no longer call me 'my master.'

Hosea 2:19 I will betroth you to me forever; I will betroth you in righteousness and justice, in love and compassion.


Consummation C:


The other half in truth is Christ.


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you seem like a sweet guy, nobody.

i've watched your posts become more and more cryptic/lyrical over these past coupla years and while many are opaque, we are left with sweetness, if not a bit of head scratching...

but i gotta say, while "love" is a great lesson, and is the best conduit thru which to touch/communicate with God, humans, and animals alike, it is, by no means the sole and last destination.

love is a pathway that leads to data flow(understanding) that informs choices that lead to *action*.

"action" being just as important as "love" in this metaphysical equation.

so many regurgitate "love" "love" "love" and while this is sweet, it leaves the pratically minded at a bit of a loss. They are left asking: why? particularly when their hearts tell them that truth is to be found in action: in demonstration.

"the proof in the pudding"

why love? whats the point? what does it achieve? WHY should i/they make myself/themselves vulnerable like that? they might ask themselves...

and i would say because love is the 'wire', the conduit, the *pathway* to a data rich communication channel that informs : whether we seek understanding from God or our loved ones.

and its not a "tit for tat" sorta deal. do not 'give' love in order to receive it. we open ourselves thru love and caring to our half of the data network that includes all beings, and God, of course.

love is not a 'gift'. it is an openning of a door, a switching of the valve, an unlocking of the heart.

love leads to information/understanding that informs choices and leads to ACTION. anything else is just pretending: acting.

and i am here to tell you, nobody, that when the door is opened and the channel established, the resulting experience is an indescribably amazing full body/mind *HOLY FUCK*!!!

and it always leads to action: to expression in the tangible.


just sayin'
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yes, 'love' is a much confused term for many. but then again, the expression of the heart can infuse any term, and more so 'love'

what do you talk about, is the heart center proper. Which is of fiery essence, and is the center of Buddhi.

"And now, with regard to the heart, one should understand the heart not as a symbol but as a great laboratory, where the transmutation of our consciousness and therefore of our whole being is taking place. The heart is the highest manifestation of the sixth principle. The heart is the abode of Brahma. One cannot separate the physical from the spiritual. All things are so interwoven and so interdependent. Precisely, this unity manifests its harmony. There are subtle and astral sensations, just as there are physical ones, but their flow is correspondingly subtle. It is impossible to treat them separately. It is always necessary to realize the complete correspondence between the subtle and the physical bodies. Hence, the formula "as above, so below" should always be remembered."

" Thus, the highest (seventh) or fundamental principle, which contains potentially the synthesis of all the others, is the fiery energy of life or spirit, which is spread throughout the entire Cosmos. For its focus it requires the sixth principle, or Buddhi (often called "the spirit soul" as distinct from the human-animal soul). Thus the monad is formed, which is the primary, unconscious, incarnated Ego. Then follows the fifth principle - the Manas, self-consciousness, "the thinker" (higher intelligence). These three principles form the higher triad, or the conscious, immortal Ego. In Devachan, this Ego survives after the dissolution of the other principles which form man's earthly personality, or, as the Easterners would put it, man's lower ego, or self. In the Teaching, this Higher Ego, or the triad, is often treated as the seed of the spirit, which is unable directly or independently to manifest itself on earth. In order to manifest, this triad needs a fourth principle, called Kama, through which desire is expressed in two aspects: Kama-Manas, or the lower intellect (literally, the intellect of desires), and Kama-Rupa, or subjective form (the form of mental and physical desires and thoughts). This is the thinker in action. Kama, in connection with Manas (the higher) and Buddhi, forms the higher Subtle Body (the astral body, in order that it be not confused with its etheric double, is often called "the lower astral") or the spiritual soul of the spiritually developed man. Kama-Manas is a sort of bridge which connects the higher Manas with Kama-Rupa, thus connecting Manas and Form to make the Kama-Manas body, or human soul. When this bridge between Manas and its lower aspect, Kama-Manas, has been established, i.e., when man begins to receive the impressions from the higher Buddhi-Manas, we can say that man is spiritually developed and approaches immortality. Thus, for the achievement of true immortality, in other words, of the maintaining of consciousness on all four planes of existence, and for becoming an Arhat, it is essential to connect, precisely in the physical body, the fourth, fifth, and seventh principles and fuse them in the sixth - Buddhi. All the qualities of the basic energy, being separately transmuted by its fire, must be harmonized and expressed in the highest quality of psychic energy."

i use these quotes not as to theoretically prove something. i found them 'by chance' only after i have had certain experiences, so i could connect their simple truth post-experience.

this talks about the heart with much wisdom
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I have reason to believe that the simple word 'LOVE' has a special meaning and definition within it.

If you ask mystics, channellers and scholars, 'what is love?' they will describe it as an energy or a universal force.

However if you ask a 'regular person', they will tell you of kinship, caring, equality, empathy, mercy and many more 'positive' subjective terms.

This is why it is such a 'dense' word. It encapsulates what, how, why and everything else in between. You cannot 'wield the power' of love, without using it 'with love'.
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I have reason to believe that the simple word 'LOVE' has a special meaning and definition within it.

If you ask mystics, channellers and scholars, 'what is love?' they will describe it as an energy or a universal force.

However if you ask a 'regular person', they will tell you of kinship, caring, equality, empathy, mercy and many more 'positive' subjective terms.

This is why it is such a 'dense' word. It encapsulates what, how, why and everything else in between. You cannot 'wield the power' of love, without using it 'with love'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10610614


love and wisdom are usually connected. they are expressions of the same spring.

i will try to give a small example.

in the inner world there is always one who listens. and there are also the ones who talk. the rational one. the impatient one. the self-important one. and so on.

when i read something written by another first i read with the one who listens and tries to understand. that is to put himself in the position of speaking those words inside the inner world. then to listen and to debate between the inner players. through this process usually there comes a constructive response. because the reply of the other was integrated harmoniously in the inner world, and others gave their opinions and arguments, and the silent one concluded.

all this processing is now more and more subconscious, although in the past it was a conscious effort to understand the point of view of the other.

it's motivation lies in the heart, to try to offer sincere help to one that might need advice or else.

it can be consuming, but here lies the secret of that infinite source of love. by emptying the cup we enlarge it and it becomes even fuller.
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I have reason to believe that the simple word 'LOVE' has a special meaning and definition within it.

If you ask mystics, channellers and scholars, 'what is love?' they will describe it as an energy or a universal force.

However if you ask a 'regular person', they will tell you of kinship, caring, equality, empathy, mercy and many more 'positive' subjective terms.

This is why it is such a 'dense' word. It encapsulates what, how, why and everything else in between. You cannot 'wield the power' of love, without using it 'with love'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10610614


love and wisdom are usually connected. they are expressions of the same spring.

i will try to give a small example.

in the inner world there is always one who listens. and there are also the ones who talk. the rational one. the impatient one. the self-important one. and so on.

when i read something written by another first i read with the one who listens and tries to understand. that is to put himself in the position of speaking those words inside the inner world. then to listen and to debate between the inner players. through this process usually there comes a constructive response. because the reply of the other was integrated harmoniously in the inner world, and others gave their opinions and arguments, and the silent one concluded.

all this processing is now more and more subconscious, although in the past it was a conscious effort to understand the point of view of the other.

it's motivation lies in the heart, to try to offer sincere help to one that might need advice or else.

it can be consuming, but here lies the secret of that infinite source of love. by emptying the cup we enlarge it and it becomes even fuller.
 Quoting: andreidita


+1
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love and wisdom are usually connected. they are expressions of the same spring.

i will try to give a small example.

in the inner world there is always one who listens. and there are also the ones who talk. the rational one. the impatient one. the self-important one. and so on.

when i read something written by another first i read with the one who listens and tries to understand. that is to put himself in the position of speaking those words inside the inner world. then to listen and to debate between the inner players. through this process usually there comes a constructive response. because the reply of the other was integrated harmoniously in the inner world, and others gave their opinions and arguments, and the silent one concluded.

all this processing is now more and more subconscious, although in the past it was a conscious effort to understand the point of view of the other.

it's motivation lies in the heart, to try to offer sincere help to one that might need advice or else.

it can be consuming, but here lies the secret of that infinite source of love. by emptying the cup we enlarge it and it becomes even fuller.
 Quoting: andreidita


Yup... I agree... as ever you bring the triadic to my duality... I suppose I try to be the voice of the silent one, after the deliberations... when I have a voice that is... until then I just try to keep my gob shut. This is part of my 'rectification' nature I guess.
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I have reason to believe that the simple word 'LOVE' has a special meaning and definition within it.

If you ask mystics, channellers and scholars, 'what is love?' they will describe it as an energy or a universal force.

However if you ask a 'regular person', they will tell you of kinship, caring, equality, empathy, mercy and many more 'positive' subjective terms.

This is why it is such a 'dense' word. It encapsulates what, how, why and everything else in between. You cannot 'wield the power' of love, without using it 'with love'.
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love and wisdom are usually connected. they are expressions of the same spring.

i will try to give a small example.
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When the New Jerusalem descends, the story will be complete. The war between good and evil will be over. The world will be decimated. Billions of people will be dead from war, hunger, plagues, cosmic disasters, earthquakes, torture, etc., etc. The environment and the animal life will be destroyed. All the deceptions of the Antichrist will have been played out. Everyone will know and understand what the New Jerusalem is...

and every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
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... A negative "evolution" spiral progressing with every "circle", until almost everyone is corrupted and the "age of men" is over. :)
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You have now the opportunity to prove my ideology wrong by going into an organic growth cycle without the destructions until the olafs/flaming swords and open your eyes & co and their 666 beast are together in "shamballah" with the andreiditas/avalonias & their 777 beast, together with the as of now very corrupted and even more deluded inhabitans of earth.

I just happen to consider this a VERY remote possibility and prefer to paddle as fast as i can and watch this "spectacle" from a distance. :)
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You have now the opportunity to prove my ideology wrong by going into an organic growth cycle without the destructions until the olafs/flaming swords and open your eyes & co and their 666 beast are together in "shamballah" with the andreiditas/avalonias & their 777 beast, together with the as of now very corrupted and even more deluded inhabitans of earth.

I just happen to consider this a VERY remote possibility and prefer to paddle as fast as i can and watch this "spectacle" from a distance. :)
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bon voyage. and shall we meet again in another corner of the universe :)
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"And when the mother wanted to retrieve the power which she had given to the chief archon, she petitioned the Mother-Father of the All, who is most merciful. He sent, by means of the holy decree, the five lights down upon the place of the angels of the chief archon. They advised him that they should bring forth the power of the mother. And they said to Yaltabaoth, 'Blow into his face something of your spirit and his body will arise.' And he blew into his face the spirit which is the power of his mother; he did not know (this), for he exists in ignorance. And the power of the mother went out of Yaltabaoth into the natural body, which they had fashioned after the image of the one who exists from the beginning. The body moved and gained strength, and it was luminous.

"And in that moment the rest of the powers became jealous, because he had come into being through all of them and they had given their power to the man, and his intelligence was greater than that of those who had made him, and greater than that of the chief archon. And when they recognized that he was luminous, and that he could think better than they, and that he was free from wickedness, they took him and threw him into the lowest region of all matter."
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they took him and threw him into the lowest region of all matter."

And then???

Marty
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It is also written that he went voluntarily.

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If two make peace with each other in a single house, they will say to the mountain, 'move from here' and it will move - Gospel of Thomas
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Has any of you - the corrupted ones - actually even a basic idea where you are really going and MOST LIKELY to STAY?

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Whatever will unfold it will never be pleasant to act within it - for the real ones -, due to a certain responsibility they carry, but sooner or later the time will come to watch it just from the distance. :)
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Thread: Nobody’s like an ordinary man, and he suffers, until he understands that heaven has used him to realize its great plans ...

The great plan spoken about is to use a sadistic environment(which this so called "heaven" has of course zero problems about as well as using and misusing people) as an excuse to create even more sadism for > 99,5% or so of the people in the lower worlds. :)
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Violence is his "lifestyle" choice - maybe this will change, but rather not.
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I have reason to believe that the simple word 'LOVE' has a special meaning and definition within it.

If you ask mystics, channellers and scholars, 'what is love?' they will describe it as an energy or a universal force.

However if you ask a 'regular person', they will tell you of kinship, caring, equality, empathy, mercy and many more 'positive' subjective terms.

This is why it is such a 'dense' word. It encapsulates what, how, why and everything else in between. You cannot 'wield the power' of love, without using it 'with love'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10610614


love and wisdom are usually connected. they are expressions of the same spring.

i will try to give a small example.

in the inner world there is always one who listens. and there are also the ones who talk. the rational one. the impatient one. the self-important one. and so on.

when i read something written by another first i read with the one who listens and tries to understand. that is to put himself in the position of speaking those words inside the inner world. then to listen and to debate between the inner players. through this process usually there comes a constructive response. because the reply of the other was integrated harmoniously in the inner world, and others gave their opinions and arguments, and the silent one concluded.

all this processing is now more and more subconscious, although in the past it was a conscious effort to understand the point of view of the other.

it's motivation lies in the heart, to try to offer sincere help to one that might need advice or else.

it can be consuming, but here lies the secret of that infinite source of love. by emptying the cup we enlarge it and it becomes even fuller.
 Quoting: andreidita


i really like reading yer posts, dita.

did you know that the physical heart in your body has more neurons than it does muscle fiber? it is , in fact, as well as in truth, another 'brain'.

we think the 'mind' is in the brain..the head. this is incorrect. while a lot happens in there and it is by many measures, the 'switchbourd' of the mind, and certainly does a bunch of high level processing, it is by no means the 'seat' of all our processing and be no means the 'center' of the mind.

a long winded way of saying that there actually *is* a heart to be listening with and how i wish we all new how to do it and could experience these ease of actually *hearing* another.

it changes everything. no joke.

and its so very nice to see it in another.

/salute
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Yup! Totally alone.
(-Miss U Michelle!)
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I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith.

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For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
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Has any of you - the corrupted ones - actually even a basic idea where you are really going and MOST LIKELY to STAY?

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I had a dream upon waking today. I has hovering over a sea and sticking out of that sea was a pyramid of bodies. On the side there was a man, desperately scrambling over them, to get to the top. Then as one of those he was climbing over grabbed at his ankle and asked for help, he drew a luger and shot that person. When I asked why he would not help those he was using, he replied in an emotionless voice "I'm entitled".

Then I read this post and remembered the scene from Titanic, where an aristocrat uses a gun to push past the women and children, to snatch a place on the lifeboat. That aristocrat viewed himself as 'better' or 'less corrupt' and 'more entitled' than those he was denying salvation.

This then reminded me of another man in history who shares my name:

Laurence was ordered by the Prefect of Rome to hand over the church’s treasures. In response, he assembled the poor of the city, among whom he had shared the church’s possessions. He presented them to the Prefect, saying, 'These are the treasures of the church'.

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you are still the girl
i miss a lot
i fool you not
my heart is tied to yours
with tightest knot
forget me not
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"In Bruchteilen von Sekunden hatte ich die Vision eines Universums mit Millionen bewohnten Planeten, aus denen, von Lebewesen freigesetzt, die Lebenskraft für Götter und Dämonen dampft."

"Die Gnostiker waren die eigentlichen Vordenker unserer magischen und religiösen Tradition, und ich bin überzeugt, die Gnosis wird in naher Zukunft die christlichen Religionen wieder ablösen. Was ich in den letzten Wochen erlebt habe und erforschen konnte, bestätigt nähmlich genau das, was Basilides, Valentinos und andere Gnostiker lehrten. Es gibt Hierarchien, den Streit der Götter unter sich, und der Kampf um die Seelen (-Teile) der Menschen ist in ein entscheidendes Stadium getreten. Ein Teil der Menschheit ist dabei, mündig zu werden. Wenn es gelingt, dem Herrn der Welt sein letztes Geheimnis zu entreißen, können die Menschen die Götter entmachten."

"Im Glanz ewiger Weisheit, die unberührbar, nur jungfräuliche Gedanken spiegelnd, aus sich selbst heraus zeugend gebiert, erkannte ich die Sophia. Urbeginn des Bewusstseins, Grundlage des Geistes, Quell der Liebe, Mysterium allgegenwärtiger, allmächtiger Weiblichkeit".


"Die Übungen zielen darauf ab, aus den vier Grundbausteinen eine neue, gemeinsame Einheit zu schaffen. Ein vierpoliges Elemental, das eigentlich fünfpolig ist, weil ja der Betreffende selbst, als fünftes Element, die Zügel hält."


"Ich änderte zum Beispiel sofort einige Textstellen im Manuskript des Meisterbuches, um mit der schrecklichen Wahrheit, die ich verbreiten muss, den Menschen nicht vollends ihren Frieden zu rauben. Ich flocht deswegen sogar einige Unwahrheit ein."

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... is already out there since very very recently and therefore available as of now i believe only in one language.
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... and it needs badly a lot of translations, because Stejnar's book series is the sole accurate description what the afterlife is, how it looks like and what really matters. :)
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I believe the demonstration of the "right attitude" could be found here, but the necessary "techniques" and "deeper understanding" to continue the journey at some point of time is in this book series. :)
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you don't hear much from me here, I usually just read and observe from a nonjudgmental place.

Make no mistake this person is ALONE, and knows the bigger picture. They are not lonely, and MUST remain alone to do the work.

Much love to all of you (the other parts of ME)
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The only way to disprove the gnostics and what they constantly hint at is to make the idea of universal salvation true, otherwise the only way to go is to watch the titanic from a distance.
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The "other side" is more or less a "visualization" of what is inside of every soul here and most people won't like what they'll become to "see".
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The "other side" is more or less a "visualization" of what is inside of every soul here and most people won't like what they'll become to "see".
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What they see, if they don't like it can be changed.