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ARCH ANGEL MICHAEL IS NOT WHO YOU THINK HE IS

 
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according to rabbanical litreture.

michael is the defender of israel in the heavenly court, samael is the accuser.

but deep down, they are the same entity
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... when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

<< Joshua 5 >>
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... when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

<< Joshua 5 >>
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Joshua' spirit lies with the IDF. "oh dont be afraid joshua, for i will be with you"
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... when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

<< Joshua 5 >>
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515


Joshua' spirit lies with the IDF. "oh dont be afraid joshua, for i will be with you"
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Only if they do God´s Will.

Doubtful. "By their fruit you will recognise them."
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... when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

<< Joshua 5 >>
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515


Joshua' spirit lies with the IDF. "oh dont be afraid joshua, for i will be with you"
 Quoting: DPS


Only if they do God´s Will.

Doubtful. "By their fruit you will recognise them."
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God´s promisses are never unconditional.
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This is interesting because when i first learned the st. Michael prayer i found myself switching up the words in my memory and calling satan the prince. There's something very funny about that prayer.

Something about the wording and the way its written. I also thouht it was odd that the prayer is supposed to counter demons. Wouldn't we want to call on God for that?
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ArchAngel Michael is God the father creator.

God the father throughout the old and new testament is called the 'Angel of the Lord'. Whenever God reveals himself to mankind he is called 'the Angel of the Lord'.

The Angel of the Lord God appeared to Joseph in his dreams to take Jesus into Egypt also to return to Israel. As the prophecy said, God called his son from Egypt.

Also God the father appeared as 'the Angel of the Lord' to the shepherds at Jesus birth, God's bright light glory shone around the shepherds.

Also at Jesus resurrection God the father descended from heaven as 'the Angel of the Lord' and rolled back the stone and sat on it.

Also when Jesus went up the mount of transfiguration God the father in the bright cloud overshadowed Jesus, Moses & Elijah and said with a loud voice, "this is my beloved son, hear ye him".

The 'word of God' is not Jesus, the word of God is the father creator God. The father God will become a man like Jesus. Only God the father has almighty power and decides the order of all things throughout history. Jesus cannot be God because he didn't send himself into the world. Also Jesus was given authority and power by his father, Jesus is not a self-existing creator God.

Study through the book of Revelation, all the way through Jesus is called the lamb, never God. It is always he(the father God)who sits upon the throne and the lamb, the word(father)of God and the lamb, always making a differential between the two individuals. The teachings of the trinity idea is a lie from the pit of hell. There is only one creator God of all, and that is Yahweh.
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
 Quoting: DPS

Don't despair, you'll be forgiven by ArchAngel Michael who is God the father creator who is the 'Angel of the Lord'.
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
 Quoting: DPS

Don't despair, you'll be forgiven by ArchAngel Michael who is God the father creator who is the 'Angel of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


No angel is Lord God, the Father who is Uncreated, no one has ever seen Him but the Son, the Son of man. Not an angel either.
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
 Quoting: DPS

Don't despair, you'll be forgiven by ArchAngel Michael who is God the father creator who is the 'Angel of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


No angel is Lord God, the Father who is Uncreated, no one has ever seen Him but the Son, the Son of man. Not an angel either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515


i agree with you.

michael and lucifer are equal in strength, G-d devided his powers between michael and lucifer.
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
 Quoting: DPS

Don't despair, you'll be forgiven by ArchAngel Michael who is God the father creator who is the 'Angel of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


No angel is Lord God, the Father who is Uncreated, no one has ever seen Him but the Son, the Son of man. Not an angel either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

As I already said God Almighty throughout the old and new testament is call 'The Angel (or presence) of the Lord'.
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
 Quoting: DPS

Don't despair, you'll be forgiven by ArchAngel Michael who is God the father creator who is the 'Angel of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


No angel is Lord God, the Father who is Uncreated, no one has ever seen Him but the Son, the Son of man. Not an angel either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

As I already said God Almighty throughout the old and new testament is call 'The Angel (or presence) of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


God is much-much more than what He has been called on Earth. Think again. ... Be born Again.
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Don't despair, you'll be forgiven by ArchAngel Michael who is God the father creator who is the 'Angel of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


No angel is Lord God, the Father who is Uncreated, no one has ever seen Him but the Son, the Son of man. Not an angel either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

As I already said God Almighty throughout the old and new testament is call 'The Angel (or presence) of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


God is much-much more than what He has been called on Earth. Think again. ... Be born Again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

Don't be an idiot, this isn't a time to convert.

If you want to debate God's transcendence or immanence, those are completely other matters.
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I'm married to a Michael and have a son and a brother named Michael. All 3 are arrogant, selfish and act like children. Probably true of Archangel too.
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No angel is Lord God, the Father who is Uncreated, no one has ever seen Him but the Son, the Son of man. Not an angel either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

As I already said God Almighty throughout the old and new testament is call 'The Angel (or presence) of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


God is much-much more than what He has been called on Earth. Think again. ... Be born Again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

Don't be an idiot, this isn't a time to convert.

If you want to debate God's transcendence or immanence, those are completely other matters.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


God is not an angel, God is the Spirit. Period. Angels are but spiritual beings of God.

Anyway, believe what you want. I have to go now.
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...

As I already said God Almighty throughout the old and new testament is call 'The Angel (or presence) of the Lord'.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


God is much-much more than what He has been called on Earth. Think again. ... Be born Again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

Don't be an idiot, this isn't a time to convert.

If you want to debate God's transcendence or immanence, those are completely other matters.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


God is not an angel, God is the Spirit. Period. Angels are but spiritual beings of God.

Anyway, believe what you want. I have to go now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25666515

THE word 'angel' means messenger or presence of a non-human being. God is clearly called throughout the old and new testament 'The Angel of the Lord' or in other words the presence in a higher human shaped form God himself.
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the angel of the lord means the angel of the lord, not the lord
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the angel of the lord means the angel of the lord, not the lord
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Have you ever studied the old or new testament? God Almighty or Yahweh is called either 'the Angel of the Lord' or 'God' at the same time, both references are used interchangeably.
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the angel of the lord means the angel of the lord, not the lord
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Have you ever studied the old or new testament? God Almighty or Yahweh is called either 'the Angel of the Lord' or 'God' at the same time, both references are used interchangeably.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


no. good is called yehova, adonai, adonai ztevahot.

and not mal'ah'ch ha'elohim
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i am sorry for what ive said above, upon further learning ive discovered that michael is not samael. they are related but are opposites, i am sorry for disrespecting michael, after all he is the advocate of my people.

i hope you will not be mislead but what i wrote above.

infact, i ask the mods to delete this thread
 Quoting: DPS


Good move! I'm glad you've seen the error here xXx
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the angel of the lord means the angel of the lord, not the lord
 Quoting: DPS

Have you ever studied the old or new testament? God Almighty or Yahweh is called either 'the Angel of the Lord' or 'God' at the same time, both references are used interchangeably.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo

Here is an example of what I'm talking about.

Exodus 3
1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

7 And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
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the angel of the lord means the angel of the lord, not the lord
 Quoting: DPS

Have you ever studied the old or new testament? God Almighty or Yahweh is called either 'the Angel of the Lord' or 'God' at the same time, both references are used interchangeably.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo

Here is an example of what I'm talking about.

Exodus 3
1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

7 And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


the angel lured moses as the bush, but the bush is not god.

the angel was what moses had seen, god was the one who spoke through the bush.
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the angel of the lord means the angel of the lord, not the lord
 Quoting: DPS

Have you ever studied the old or new testament? God Almighty or Yahweh is called either 'the Angel of the Lord' or 'God' at the same time, both references are used interchangeably.
 Quoting: Monkey Doo

Here is an example of what I'm talking about.

Exodus 3
1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

7 And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
 Quoting: Monkey Doo


the angel lured moses as the bush, but the bush is not god.

the angel was what moses had seen, god was the one who spoke through the bush.
 Quoting: DPS

Oh my God your a nutter with no sense at all.
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"the angel of the lord" its self explainatory... he is the angel OF the lord... not the lord
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"the angel of the lord" its self explainatory... he is the angel OF the lord... not the lord
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Whatever idiot, have you been dribbling much lately?
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It's not Jackie Chan???

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arch angel michael, the second in command after G-d, is definatley not the protecter of heaven, or atleast thats not his only job.

if you read scripture or outside of the bible books, it is obvious that michael comes off as arrogant, aggresive, and childish.

was it michael, that casted satan out of heaven? or was it michael himself that fell??

in the book of genesis, it is michael who seduced eve, michael was the serpent of paradise, michael's other half is samael - satan.



it seems theres a traitor in heaven.
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This.

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It isnt John Travolta?
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chuckle

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