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Reincarnation is a lie. If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

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Nice cartoon.

Man created Hell NOT GOD. "Hell" is the result of Mans mis-thinking. All of the pain, suffering, torment, and anguish (in greater or lesser degrees) is the result of believing oneself to be strictly "human", of believing oneself to be separate from God- and all of the thoughts and actions that come forth from that false belief.

When an "evil" "person" "dies" they find them self in a place where their thoughts, their beliefs, the sum total of what they created them self to be in their "life" on Earth are made manifest much more quickly. That would certainly seem like "Hell" would it not?

Yet the only one "punishing" them is them self. Certainly not God, as some think of God being.

No, "Hell" is on Earth, as well as the so called afterlife, and only exists as a direct manifestation of Man's mis-creation.

"Hell" is on "your" side of that wall. "Heaven" is on Gods side. Tear down that wall!
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Every soul has a purpose! hf

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We have to learn to awaken our INNER MEMORY to learn that we are more than our physical bodies.

Because inside that memory is the Truth of Who we are.

And so these things that I will say to you, if they are true for you, you will know it because they will resonate within that memory even though this world has so many ways to keep us from accessing that part of our memory.

And you will also learn that our EGO is our enemy’s biggest ally.

How can we do that? ............ That’s what I hope through this thread, to share with you, from what I am learning, so that we can all learn it, IF WE CHOOSE TO.

Then, I promise you, things become much more fun.
Especially when you learn Who will help each of us get through this.

Its probably impossible to do it all alone, therefore God has given us just the right Teachers and Helpers.
And as you learn Who they are it will amaze you.


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Thats were you are partly wrong.
The eror the new age systems teach us is that we must dismantle,kill,destroy our ego and that is fail.
You will have to will something hard enough for it to be so, without a ego you cant will anything, lost in the clouds.
Dont fall for it, your will to help someone is allso driven by your ego.
Drive your ego just dont let it drive you, but do not try to erase it then you will be in trouble.
hf

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Thank you for your response.

Yes, in the many different New Age systems we can find all sorts strange "reasoning".
And much of it won't help us.

So, we have to look carefully to try to find where the real Truth is to be found.

When I studied ACIM for a long time, the Course said that the way to find the value of anything if by asking yourself the following:

"what can I do now that I have studied it, that I could not do before I knew anything about it."

Its not an exact quote but its close enough.

And I had studied a lot of metaphysical and spiritual material before which was mostly all very interesting, but didn't help me be able to do anything that I could not do before I studied it.

Most of it was just thoughts and concepts that sounded good, (like a pie in the sky, as they say) but that I could not really apply, and mostly the promises they made of the great benefits found in them were not found there by me.

Some of them were solid and true, like my study of the Huna religion, from which I learned a lot.

With ACIM within several months I was doing some serious spiritual healing, which was what I had wanted to learn for over 10yrs, and which I have described a little of in some posts of this thread. And I did it for about 11 yrs.
Now to me that was proof that what it taught was the TRUTH, and it came from God. And I studied it every day for 29yrs.

I eventually a couple of years ago found out about the Real Jesus website, from a thread on GLP, and even though I was still studying ACIM, and had started some threads about ACIM, somewhere in the midst of those threads I posted information that I was then studying directly from Jesus' website, even though I felt that ACIM was a valid teaching, and defended it from the many attacks I was receiving on those threads.

But my new study was to learn from the Living Jesus himself. And without going into detail, what Jesus teaches PROVED to me in absolute fact that it was a True teaching right from God through Jesus and the Ascended Hosts.

Now I know you were concerned about what I had said about the ego, and what you believe the new age says about the ego as being a negative force, is not accurate according to your accepted belief.

If you read further in the posts on this thread you will see more information provided about why the ego is a dangerous "guide" to follow. I gave as many reasons as I could think of, and the two best sources I found regarding information about the ego and its true nature is from ACIM, but much much more information about it and how important it is to learn what the true nature of the ego really is comes from Jesus himself in discourses he gave on his website.

In fact I will even give you a short series he gives about the ego on that website which I have studied and may be of interest to you.
just scroll down a little and you will find them.

[link to www.askrealjesus.com]


And the home page to Jesus' website is this:

[link to www.askrealjesus.com]

Let us know what you think, if you care to.

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We have to learn to awaken our INNER MEMORY to learn that we are more than our physical bodies.

Because inside that memory is the Truth of Who we are.

And so these things that I will say to you, if they are true for you, you will know it because they will resonate within that memory even though this world has so many ways to keep us from accessing that part of our memory.

And you will also learn that our EGO is our enemy’s biggest ally.

How can we do that? ............ That’s what I hope through this thread, to share with you, from what I am learning, so that we can all learn it, IF WE CHOOSE TO.

Then, I promise you, things become much more fun.
Especially when you learn Who will help each of us get through this.

Its probably impossible to do it all alone, therefore God has given us just the right Teachers and Helpers.
And as you learn Who they are it will amaze you.


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Thats were you are partly wrong.
The eror the new age systems teach us is that we must dismantle,kill,destroy our ego and that is fail.
You will have to will something hard enough for it to be so, without a ego you cant will anything, lost in the clouds.
Dont fall for it, your will to help someone is allso driven by your ego.
Drive your ego just dont let it drive you, but do not try to erase it then you will be in trouble.
hf
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The ego must be transcended, transformed, Surrendered. "Self" gets redefined. The ego and all of it's false creation will disappear. And when it does you find that you never were "that". The Real You is found.

You don't "will" it, you BE it. Unlimited Consciousness transcends the limited "linear thinking" of mans mind. And yet when you begin the process of waking up you must use the ego to overcome the ego.

No, when the ego is erased you become FREE. Only fear makes you think that that could be trouble.
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You should listen to the song Magic by Olivia Newton John.

This is one of the most "spiritual" songs there is. The whole album even tells a Story. Even the movie in which it appeared (the bomb that it was) tried to tell this Story, much like the Wizard of Oz.
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I probably should have done this earlier in this thread, but I just thought about it and am doing it now.

And this following section of this post is part of a discourse you can find on Jesus' website regarding what he needs at least 10,000 of us for to help him and the Ascended Hosts with him.

This is also in his book called 'The Christ is Born in You', which I read and have in my computer now as an E-book.

I'm also studying now another of Jesus' books called "Master Keys to Personal Christhood" with an E-book.

alright here it is:

"The following discourse explains who Jesus is trying to reach with the teachings on this website. It also explains the very core of his true message, his inner message, that has been almost completely lost over the past 2,000 years. The discourse also explains why it is so crucial for people to rediscover Jesus' true message and apply this knowledge in our time.

Note: This discourse is an excerpt from a chapter in the book The Christ Is Born in You. You can read the entire chapter here.
The only possible solution to human problems


"Beloved hearts, to explain why I am pleading with you to make the decision to seek Christ consciousness, let me summarize what we have looked at so far.

We have seen that God has not created the current state of suffering, limitation and misery found on planet earth. Instead, human beings have created their own situation.

We have seen that there is only one possible solution to the problems found on planet earth. That solution is the Christ consciousness.

I have told you about the universal Christ consciousness. Yet, the solution to the problems of earth is not the universal Christ consciousness. The reason being that the universal Christ consciousness simply cannot enter this world.

God has created the law of free will, and no being in heaven will ever violate the free will of human beings. Therefore, the cosmic Christ consciousness itself simply cannot act in this world.

As a result, the key to changing the current situation on planet earth is not the universal Christ consciousness, but the individualized Christ consciousness. When I walked the earth, I expressed my individualized Christ consciousness in this world. I was, quite literally, the light of the world. It is true that I was completely united with the universal Christ consciousness. Yet, I still was not expressing the universal Christ mind. I was expressing my individualized Christ mind.

The essential point is that you cannot expect some spiritual force from heaven to suddenly descend and solve all of the problems on earth. You cannot expect that God or myself will suddenly appear in the sky and whisk away all of humankind’s problems.
This simply will not happen.

God can indeed solve all of the problems on earth, but God can only do so through his sons and daughters. God can only bring about change if you decide to be the instrument for bringing about change by putting on your personal Christhood.

When you consider the impact that my short mission has had on this planet, I think you can see the potential impact of thousands of Christed beings walking the earth.

I hold a very high and beautiful vision for this planet.
I hold the vision of 10,000 Christed beings in physical embodiment. I desire to give you a glimpse of my vision.

I see a large-scale and dramatic change in people’s consciousness. I see a large-scale awakening, whereby millions upon millions of people will come to a realization and a conscious acceptance of the spiritual side to life, their spiritual identity and their spiritual potential.

I see a vision of millions of people recognizing their potential to put on Christ consciousness. I see them making the conscious decision to put on that Christ consciousness and to engage in the spiritual path that will lead them to that goal.

I see the potential for a golden age of progress, peace and growth that will turn this planet into a bright star, as opposed to the dark star it is today.

However, I also see that for this to happen, people must have examples to follow. My example took place too long ago. Furthermore, the intense cult of idolatry built around the outer person of Jesus Christ makes it very difficult for people to identify with me and to see me as an example.
That is why I need you.


The call for 10,000 christed ones

I know that 10,000 people are prepared at inner levels to attain the full measure of Christ consciousness in this lifetime. Most of these people volunteered for this mission before they came into embodiment. Most of these people have not yet come to a conscious realization of their mission.

However, if those 10,000 people receive these teachings and accept my message, they can quickly rise to a high level of Christ consciousness. Thereby, they can become the shining examples that millions of other people can follow.

Most of these 10,000 souls have already attained a high level of Christ consciousness at inner levels. They simply need to come to a conscious acceptance of their inner attainment. Therefore, many of these people have the potential to go through a very swift and dramatic transformation from their current level of consciousness to a high degree of Christhood.

I can assure you that if 10,000 people manifested a high level of Christ consciousness and continued towards the full Christ consciousness, you would begin to see some very dramatic changes on planet earth.

I also know that millions of people are prepared at inner levels to come to a conscious acceptance of their potential to become the Christ. These people have already attained a certain level of Christ consciousness. They still have a ways to go to attain the full measure, but if they will make a sincere effort, it can be attained in this lifetime. I can assure you that if these millions of people were to receive these teachings, they would make an immense contribution to the positive change on planet earth......."

(you can read the rest of this discourse here:

[link to www.askrealjesus.com]

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Excellent
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Op the only thing that can be faithfully channeled is Wisdom.
True Wisdom is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
It is only based upon lack of understanding that one would enter in the game of chaneling the REAL Jesus :)))
Although much of the content from that site might contain wisdom, it is an ego-driven error of kim that he thinks he chanels the REAL jesus.

Wisdom does not need big names for it to be heard, my friend.
From the level where wisdom is chaneled there are no such individuals beings that we might make sense with the ordinary intellectual state of mind in such a way, that we could discern that we channel a certain particular being.

From the point of view of the ordinary intellectual mind state, at the level of Love/Wisdom supra-reality there is only One and it does not go by any names, in the fashion that we here on earth name and individuate beings.

To pretend that you chanel the Real Jesus is to claim a false guarantee of the perfection of the message.

Any honest and wise human that can stand himself in the state of chaneling wisdom would not claim such an absurdity. Real wisdom does not allow for such.

The quality of any message from the higher spheres of wisdom depends on the state of elevation at that moment of the messenger.

And any humble messenger will make a disclaimer as such, being aware of the fact that he might have slips due to personal distortion. To claim on the contrary chaneling of a certain spiritual being, is only the dumb idea of the ego :)

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Op the only thing that can be faithfully channeled is Wisdom.
True Wisdom is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
It is only based upon lack of understanding that one would enter in the game of chaneling the REAL Jesus :)))
Although much of the content from that site might contain wisdom, it is an ego-driven error of kim that he thinks he chanels the REAL jesus.

Wisdom does not need big names for it to be heard, my friend.
From the level where wisdom is chaneled there are no such individuals beings that we might make sense with the ordinary intellectual state of mind in such a way, that we could discern that we channel a certain particular being.

From the point of view of the ordinary intellectual mind state, at the level of Love/Wisdom supra-reality there is only One and it does not go by any names, in the fashion that we here on earth name and individuate beings.

To pretend that you chanel the Real Jesus is to claim a false guarantee of the perfection of the message.

Any honest and wise human that can stand himself in the state of chaneling wisdom would not claim such an absurdity. Real wisdom does not allow for such.

The quality of any message from the higher spheres of wisdom depends on the state of elevation at that moment of the messenger.

And any humble messenger will make a disclaimer as such, being aware of the fact that he might have slips due to personal distortion. To claim on the contrary chaneling of a certain spiritual being, is only the dumb idea of the ego :)
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Do you know for a fact that he does NOT channel the "real Jesus"? I am not disagreeing with you. I like your post! But just who is the Real Jesus? He (and all ascended Beings) already Knows that "He" is beyond names, beyond being a "person", beyond any limited identity.

The thing to realize about all "channelings", about all books of wisdom, about all teachers of Truth, is not the Messenger but the Wisdom itself. And besides shouldn't you be going within and asking There for the Truth to be revealed? And when you sincerely do, don't judge the source it comes from. If it comes from a horses ass then Bless it.

Allow and judge not. When you fully trust God within there is never ever any need or desire to judge "another" for anything. There is never ever any need or desire to convince another of "your truth" either. The need to convince "another" of your truth only means that you do not own it. Sharing, with LOVE is the way to go.

Steps. Many are not ready for the raw Truth. They need something they can relate to to help them get to the next plateau of understanding. To get to the point where they can LIVE IT themselves. It is the wisdom that counts NOT the source, not the messenger.
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Do you know for a fact that he does NOT channel the "real Jesus"? I am not disagreeing with you. I like your post! But just who is the Real Jesus? He (and all ascended Beings) already Knows that "He" is beyond names, beyond being a "person", beyond any limited identity.

The thing to realize about all "channelings", about all books of wisdom, about all teachers of Truth, is not the Messenger but the Wisdom itself. And besides shouldn't you be going within and asking There for the Truth to be revealed? And when you sincerely do, don't judge the source it comes from. If it comes from a horses ass then Bless it.

Allow and judge not. When you fully trust God within there is never ever any need or desire to judge "another" for anything. There is never ever any need or desire to convince another of "your truth" either. The need to convince "another" of your truth only means that you do not own it. Sharing, with LOVE is the way to go.

Steps. Many are not ready for the raw Truth. They need something they can relate to to help them get to the next plateau of understanding. To get to the point where they can LIVE IT themselves. It is the wisdom that counts NOT the source, not the messenger.
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wisdom comes from pure heart and it is best transmitted in one to one communication.
i read op thread and i tried to connect to him through this post.
you have read it, understood it and made in turn a response to me, addressing valid points.
precisely because many are not ready for the raw Truth, i did not say that that site does not fulfill the purpose at a certain level.
But as the subject of the thread was the Ego, it was the least i could do to try to connect with op to try to give him some hints in his honest search of achieving wisdom.
The essence of his message is correct and he will continue to spread his according to his abilities. As you will do yours. And I will do mine.
but when we meet we also try to listen and then to share. I listened first and then i shared.
And now i communicate with you and it is in a good way.

Simply put, to respond to your first question, it is Not the real jesus, because jesus himself when he walked upon the earth did not claim such big titles. He claimed to be a Man in the first place. And what humans need to learn is to be Humans. Not gods and not humans. They need to learn that Wisdom springs from each pure Heart. They need to learn to achieve pure Hearts through words and deeds, second by second, and thus to hear Wisdom for the first time speaking through their own mouths but not from their own ego-minds.

Too much humans bowed down before other humans, before godly figures. When the point was all along just to be Humans.

And this you can not learn somebody else by claiming that you chanel the Real Jesus, because you just keep doing the same old wrong way. Making false idols for people who do not hear wisdom yet in their own hearts. And for those who already hear it, there is no need of big names, to hear the wisdom contained in the message.
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Do you know for a fact that he does NOT channel the "real Jesus"? I am not disagreeing with you. I like your post! But just who is the Real Jesus? He (and all ascended Beings) already Knows that "He" is beyond names, beyond being a "person", beyond any limited identity.

The thing to realize about all "channelings", about all books of wisdom, about all teachers of Truth, is not the Messenger but the Wisdom itself. And besides shouldn't you be going within and asking There for the Truth to be revealed? And when you sincerely do, don't judge the source it comes from. If it comes from a horses ass then Bless it.

Allow and judge not. When you fully trust God within there is never ever any need or desire to judge "another" for anything. There is never ever any need or desire to convince another of "your truth" either. The need to convince "another" of your truth only means that you do not own it. Sharing, with LOVE is the way to go.

Steps. Many are not ready for the raw Truth. They need something they can relate to to help them get to the next plateau of understanding. To get to the point where they can LIVE IT themselves. It is the wisdom that counts NOT the source, not the messenger.
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wisdom comes from pure heart and it is best transmitted in one to one communication.
i read op thread and i tried to connect to him through this post.
you have read it, understood it and made in turn a response to me, addressing valid points.
precisely because many are not ready for the raw Truth, i did not say that that site does not fulfill the purpose at a certain level.
But as the subject of the thread was the Ego, it was the least i could do to try to connect with op to try to give him some hints in his honest search of achieving wisdom.
The essence of his message is correct and he will continue to spread his according to his abilities. As you will do yours. And I will do mine.
but when we meet we also try to listen and then to share. I listened first and then i shared.
And now i communicate with you and it is in a good way.

Simply put, to respond to your first question, it is Not the real jesus, because jesus himself when he walked upon the earth did not claim such big titles. He claimed to be a Man in the first place. And what humans need to learn is to be Humans. Not gods and not humans. They need to learn that Wisdom springs from each pure Heart. They need to learn to achieve pure Hearts through words and deeds, second by second, and thus to hear Wisdom for the first time speaking through their own mouths but not from their own ego-minds.

Too much humans bowed down before other humans, before godly figures. When the point was all along just to be Humans.

And this you can not learn somebody else by claiming that you chanel the Real Jesus, because you just keep doing the same old wrong way. Making false idols for people who do not hear wisdom yet in their own hearts. And for those who already hear it, there is no need of big names, to hear the wisdom contained in the message.
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You have made some valid points. I appreciate you sharing your perspective!
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What is WISDOM?
Wisdom may be even the realization that things are not going well and need to change. That’s wisdom. Even a sudden awareness, which only seems sudden, but was from an idea that was working its way from the heart to our outer consciousness and had to slip by the blocks which one’s ego uses to keep things and us from changing.

The ego doesn’t like change, it scares the ego, because spontaneity means it’s possible for the ego to have loss of control over us, and spontaneity is a creative activity. The ego is not really ever creative either, although ‘artists’ and egos seem to go together. But not if you got to know a REAL artist. A real artist often has humility, and would know that when his or her best work happens, it comes through them as if from another world. And the real artist is not usually sucked into the games of the so-called “art world”.

Creativity means to be NEW, but the ego wants things to remain always somewhat the same, and never drifting too far from its control. And people under the control of their egos will not find the courage to explore as they should do, but instead stay with the “accepted”, even though what they have allowed themselves to accept doesn’t serve them well at all. They have let their egos make them afraid to change any of the things and activities that they continue to do, or try to believe in, even though there is a part of them, a small voice that sometimes they can still faintly hear or feel, that tells them, ‘there is more to life than what you are seeing and doing.”

A challenge to one’s ideas is always good, for I find that it lets me examine my thoughts and ideas to see if they are true. Or if they are under the control of my ego. So examining them keeps me on the straight and narrow path so I don’t let my ego make me go somewhere else and get lost again. The ego is very clever, and will even use what I think I know well, in some way that will make me choose wrong, unless I’m very attentive. I have to always watch it. Its very tricky.

I believe Wisdom is like a stream of light that comes to me in my conscious self from my Holy Christ Self whenever I need it to overcome any situation or problem presented to me. It comes from God through my connection to my I AM PRESENCE, and to my Christ Self then to my conscious self.

Does it come from my past experience only?
I don’t think so, because there are sometimes situations where one gets a feeling about a situation and when they immediately go with it and finds that spontaneous response was just what was needed to succeed. And if one had tried to “think it through” before responding, their mind would have given them as many reasons not to do something as it would provide reasons to do them. And they would have been too confused and paralyzed to make a decision.

But I don’t think that one should impulsively go with every idea that comes up, or they will be in deep trouble since the ego may be in control, and can easily give us the wrong impulse and idea to react to.

That’s why the study of the EGO is one of the most important studies one can make. And from my experience the deepest study of it is right from Jesus’ website through his discourses on the ego, and one can also learn some things about the ego from the study of ACIM.


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First I want to thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts, I appreciate that. And it gives me a chance to reexamine my own thoughts on what you bring up to consider. I will try to show your post and ideas in my response, and after each section I will see if I have anything to say about what you have shared. And I will separate the different writers by a method other than the dark blue section for quotes since I find it too dark to read with any comfort as it’s used now; it should be a much lighter blue.

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Op the only thing that can be faithfully channeled is Wisdom.
True Wisdom is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
It is only based upon lack of understanding that one would enter in the game of chaneling the REAL Jesus :)))
Although much of the content from that site might contain wisdom, it is an ego-driven error of kim that he thinks he chanels the REAL jesus.


OP
If we are getting information from the Holy Spirit, Who is the Christ self within us then we have to use another word other than “channel’ because the wisdom and guidance is coming to us direct from an actual part of us as spiritual beings. God gave us our Holy Spirit/ Holy Christ self, to be His Voice in us to guide us. It is often referred to as our Right Mind. ....... Channeling would be more accepted when some spirit from another spiritual level is speaking to someone in our material world, and that is what I think is happening with Kim Michaels who Jesus selected to be the one he would bring his discourses and books through to us. I have no problem with that. As Helen Schucman was chosen for the ACIM book.
Nor would I characterize it as an “game of chaneling the REAL Jesus. I don’t see it as a game. I see it as very serious, and I have had unmistakable PROOF of the Truth that Jesus has given us, from my practices and uses of the spiritual tools that I have tried, and found they WORK! (And I’m not new to this kind of stuff, nor do I like to waste my time with scammers.) I have given many others who make claims about being Jesus, and there was a part of me that knew it wasn’t true. I even read their books at the urging of friends and that feeling didn’t change, it was not Jesus it said. And by them it wasn’t. But from Kim Michaels it is Jesus, and I am learning a whole lot. And I am grateful.

You refer to him as ‘kim’, maybe you know him in some way that I don’t. I only care that he is taking the time to do all of this work to bring to us the information from Jesus. And I am very grateful to Kim Michaels. He is not in the way of any of the information I am studying. And the CONSCIOUSNESS of Jesus is beyond anything any person on earth can even imagine. His explanations for ideas and profound concepts are given to us in a way that is easy to understand. Not all of it, because some of the concepts are beyond anything I ever came across, but I am beginning to understand them because of the clarity of his teaching. That is the sign of a great teacher, to make difficult concepts easily understood to those who never knew about them. (He could have explained in a couple of sentences what takes me a lot of writing to explain.

andreidita
Wisdom does not need big names for it to be heard, my friend.
From the level where wisdom is chaneled there are no such individuals beings that we might make sense with the ordinary intellectual state of mind in such a way, that we could discern that we channel a certain particular being.

OP
It seems that you have already accepted a concept of what its like “from where wisdom is channeled”. How would you know? How could you be so sure?
I think you might benefit more if you could re-consider your ideas about what the spiritual side from where the messages are given to us is like.
I respect your opinion about it, but from my own personal experiences, and experiments with what I have studied by Jesus from his discourses on his website, I feel fine with the explanation that Jesus gives about all he describes in his discourses. And I honestly feel in my heart that it is absolutely as he says. And I believe him as I would if I had an older brother telling me about things I had no memory of about what they are like. I trust this is really Jesus, completely. And I have my own personal tangible proof and facts that it is him and what he says to me that I have experienced is true.
Now I am just sharing my thoughts about my experiences and benefits from my spiritual discoveries so that others who may not have known about any of this being available could check it out themselves. If they are ready for it they will know it, if not they will know it too, by not accepting that it is Jesus, because he doesn’t conform to their idea of what Jesus should be like.
I have no problems with that. There was a time that I would have not been able to accept it either.


andreidita
From the point of view of the ordinary intellectual mind state, at the level of Love/Wisdom supra-reality there is only One and it does not go by any names, in the fashion that we here on earth name and individuate beings.

OP
That’s OK if you feel that way. If that is working for you right now, then stay with it. I know my ideas are not acceptable to everyone, this is not new to me. And Jesus knows that even most people who today think they are “Christians” would very likely not be able to accept him today, nor his message. But there are plenty of us who do accept it, and have been waiting for it, so we can also do our part in God’s plan for salvation.
In my study of ACIM it says that God will prove to you in a way that you will understand that He is real, and that we are His sons and daughters.
(Actually in ACIM it would only say sons, I added the daughters part here. Gender wasn’t specified as many would like to hear it.)


andreidita
To pretend that you chanel the Real Jesus is to claim a false guarantee of the perfection of the message.

OP
IF SOMETHING IS TRUE, THEN IT IS TRUE.
Regardless what some want to believe. And if you have doubts, do some experiments to see if you may have been wrong in your judgments.
Only those OPEN to learn will learn. And for some it is a scary thing while under the ego’s control to learn something new, because to learn means to change. And the ego does not like change. And will do all it can to keep anyone from changing especially if it is to go towards God.


andreidita

Any honest and wise human that can stand himself in the state of chaneling wisdom would not claim such an absurdity. Real wisdom does not allow for such.

OP
You seem to be making some direct personal judgments about Kim Michaels, and maybe you have some history with him, but I don’t. I only learned about Jesus’ website just over 2 years ago. And I appreciate the tremendous amount of work Kim Michaels has accepted and does. That is a huge website, and a lot of writing that any of us from anywhere in the world can read for free.



andreidita
The quality of any message from the higher spheres of wisdom depends on the state of elevation at that moment of the messenger.
And any humble messenger will make a disclaimer as such, being aware of the fact that he might have slips due to personal distortion. To claim on the contrary chaneling of a certain spiritual being, is only the dumb idea of the ego :)

OP.
I think you might benefit more by examining where “your thoughts” are actually coming from. Because to me they don’t ring like something that would be coming from the Christ self.



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andreidita
wisdom comes from pure heart and it is best transmitted in one to one communication.
i read op thread and i tried to connect to him through this post.
you have read it, understood it and made in turn a response to me, addressing valid points.
precisely because many are not ready for the raw Truth, i did not say that that site does not fulfill the purpose at a certain level.
But as the subject of the thread was the Ego, it was the least i could do to try to connect with op to try to give him some hints in his honest search of achieving wisdom.
The essence of his message is correct and he will continue to spread his according to his abilities. As you will do yours. And I will do mine.
but when we meet we also try to listen and then to share. I listened first and then i shared.
And now i communicate with you and it is in a good way.

OP
I appreciate your concern, but we just have a different opinion about the Real Jesus website. You do not feel it is Jesus, and you seem to not like Kim Michaels very much either.
And I am in full support of it because Jesus has proven to me that he is the REAL Jesus, and I appreciate so much being able to study all that I want to study from him on his website and his books.


andreidita

Simply put, to respond to your first question, it is Not the real jesus, because jesus himself when he walked upon the earth did not claim such big titles. He claimed to be a Man in the first place. And what humans need to learn is to be Humans. Not gods and not humans. They need to learn that Wisdom springs from each pure Heart. They need to learn to achieve pure Hearts through words and deeds, second by second, and thus to hear Wisdom for the first time speaking through their own mouths but not from their own ego-minds.

Too much humans bowed down before other humans, before godly figures. When the point was all along just to be Humans.

And this you can not learn somebody else by claiming that you chanel the Real Jesus, because you just keep doing the same old wrong way. Making false idols for people who do not hear wisdom yet in their own hearts. And for those who already hear it, there is no need of big names, to hear the wisdom contained in the message.


OP
I think we are getting to a point that seems to show that you seem to be uncomfortable with the FACT that we are not really a species of “humans” as you insist we are and as science has classified.

We are SPIRITUAL BEINGS and even this Earth is made of LIGHT and ENERGY, and it is ALL God.
Look at the atom and how it is composed SPACE and energy. That’s it, frequencies. And this material world is an extension of the spiritual realm.

EVERYTHING IS JUST SPACE AND ENERGY AS A FORM OF LIGHT. .............Frequencies!

And before God created ALL that He created there was ONLY God, and He created EVERYTHING out of Himself. Because there was nothing else but God.
So God is in everything, even in the dirt and in the blade of grass; all of it is God.
Isn’t that great?

Thank you for your thoughts, because of them I have done a lot more reflection and study so I could reply to your post.
Much love to you.


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We have to learn to awaken our INNER MEMORY to learn that we are more than our physical bodies.

Because inside that memory is the Truth of Who we are.

And so these things that I will say to you, if they are true for you, you will know it because they will resonate within that memory even though this world has so many ways to keep us from accessing that part of our memory.

And you will also learn that our EGO is our enemy’s biggest ally.

How can we do that? ............ That’s what I hope through this thread, to share with you, from what I am learning, so that we can all learn it, IF WE CHOOSE TO.

Then, I promise you, things become much more fun.
Especially when you learn Who will help each of us get through this.

Its probably impossible to do it all alone, therefore God has given us just the right Teachers and Helpers.
And as you learn Who they are it will amaze you.


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Thats were you are partly wrong.
The eror the new age systems teach us is that we must dismantle,kill,destroy our ego and that is fail.
You will have to will something hard enough for it to be so, without a ego you cant will anything, lost in the clouds.
Dont fall for it, your will to help someone is allso driven by your ego.
Drive your ego just dont let it drive you, but do not try to erase it then you will be in trouble.
hf
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The ego must be transcended, transformed, Surrendered. "Self" gets redefined. The ego and all of it's false creation will disappear. And when it does you find that you never were "that". The Real You is found.

You don't "will" it, you BE it. Unlimited Consciousness transcends the limited "linear thinking" of mans mind. And yet when you begin the process of waking up you must use the ego to overcome the ego.

No, when the ego is erased you become FREE. Only fear makes you think that that could be trouble.
 Quoting: jc 25947914


Well I've been thinking about the ego quite a bit lately and how I've gone about using it to my own benefit so to speak. If you invert the ego and turn it back in on yourself so as to turn that competitive nature towards yourself and yourself alone, it really does work when the objective is to make better of yourself through getting to know yourself better.

What I'm a bit confused about though is how some people tend to approach it as a 'you need to destroy your ego' in order to progress' kind of tactic and I've always felt more comfortable with the dissolving of the ego into one's self. And there is a difference because just because something dissolves doesn't mean it is 'destroyed', rather that it has changed it's form to a more fluid, workable state.

I mean if our totality of being is comprised of both positive and negative aspects, would it not do ourselves great harm by destroying one half of ourselves?


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andreidita
wisdom comes from pure heart and it is best transmitted in one to one communication.
i read op thread and i tried to connect to him through this post.
you have read it, understood it and made in turn a response to me, addressing valid points.
precisely because many are not ready for the raw Truth, i did not say that that site does not fulfill the purpose at a certain level.
But as the subject of the thread was the Ego, it was the least i could do to try to connect with op to try to give him some hints in his honest search of achieving wisdom.
The essence of his message is correct and he will continue to spread his according to his abilities. As you will do yours. And I will do mine.
but when we meet we also try to listen and then to share. I listened first and then i shared.
And now i communicate with you and it is in a good way.

OP
I appreciate your concern, but we just have a different opinion about the Real Jesus website. You do not feel it is Jesus, and you seem to not like Kim Michaels very much either.
And I am in full support of it because Jesus has proven to me that he is the REAL Jesus, and I appreciate so much being able to study all that I want to study from him on his website and his books.


andreidita

Simply put, to respond to your first question, it is Not the real jesus, because jesus himself when he walked upon the earth did not claim such big titles. He claimed to be a Man in the first place. And what humans need to learn is to be Humans. Not gods and not humans. They need to learn that Wisdom springs from each pure Heart. They need to learn to achieve pure Hearts through words and deeds, second by second, and thus to hear Wisdom for the first time speaking through their own mouths but not from their own ego-minds.

Too much humans bowed down before other humans, before godly figures. When the point was all along just to be Humans.

And this you can not learn somebody else by claiming that you chanel the Real Jesus, because you just keep doing the same old wrong way. Making false idols for people who do not hear wisdom yet in their own hearts. And for those who already hear it, there is no need of big names, to hear the wisdom contained in the message.


OP
I think we are getting to a point that seems to show that you seem to be uncomfortable with the FACT that we are not really a species of “humans” as you insist we are and as science has classified.

We are SPIRITUAL BEINGS and even this Earth is made of LIGHT and ENERGY, and it is ALL God.
Look at the atom and how it is composed SPACE and energy. That’s it, frequencies. And this material world is an extension of the spiritual realm.

EVERYTHING IS JUST SPACE AND ENERGY AS A FORM OF LIGHT. .............Frequencies!

And before God created ALL that He created there was ONLY God, and He created EVERYTHING out of Himself. Because there was nothing else but God.
So God is in everything, even in the dirt and in the blade of grass; all of it is God.
Isn’t that great?

Thank you for your thoughts, because of them I have done a lot more reflection and study so I could reply to your post.
Much love to you.


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Ok, to clear some of the statements i made.

I do not know Kim in person and i did not knew of the site before. The familiar way i speak is a way of style.
I have no quarrel with him and with his messages. I already said that it might contain much wisdom. From what i saw it is generally ok.

More than that is not my business to judge anyone work. What i wanted to do is talk with you, and i chose to respond that way to create a real communication between us (and that happened) to allow me to make a more one to one response.

you are aware that wisdom has a way to speak through one's own heart, if that heart meets certain conditions.
on the other hand what is called chaneling is a different process, it has to do with the abstract mind.
To let the Heart of god speak through you, which is wisdom is a process achievable by humbleness and purity and innocence.

But to let the Mind of god speak through you, which is what is aimed at by those who chanel, it is a process that needs perfecting the mind first, on top of having a pure heart.

and through this process of perfecting the mind, which is not some strange feat but implies just honestly following the way of the abstract logical mind in its purest form, it is easy to see errors of mind concerning various concepts.


when i spoke of Humans i was referring to Spiritual Human, that's why the big H, humans with small h are the biological narrow concept.

walk in peace my friend and may you find bliss
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Ok, to clear some of the statements i made.

I do not know Kim in person and i did not knew of the site before. The familiar way i speak is a way of style.
I have no quarrel with him and with his messages. I already said that it might contain much wisdom. From what i saw it is generally ok.

More than that is not my business to judge anyone work. What i wanted to do is talk with you, and i chose to respond that way to create a real communication between us (and that happened) to allow me to make a more one to one response.

you are aware that wisdom has a way to speak through one's own heart, if that heart meets certain conditions.
on the other hand what is called chaneling is a different process, it has to do with the abstract mind.
To let the Heart of god speak through you, which is wisdom is a process achievable by humbleness and purity and innocence.

But to let the Mind of god speak through you, which is what is aimed at by those who chanel, it is a process that needs perfecting the mind first, on top of having a pure heart.

and through this process of perfecting the mind, which is not some strange feat but implies just honestly following the way of the abstract logical mind in its purest form, it is easy to see errors of mind concerning various concepts.


when i spoke of Humans i was referring to Spiritual Human, that's why the big H, humans with small h are the biological narrow concept.

walk in peace my friend and may you find bliss
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I just found this which seems appropriate to our thoughts today.
I am trying to find a discourse where he says why he chose Kim, its pretty interesting, I just have to find where it is. I think it clears up what you brought up.

A welcome message by Jesus

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also . . . (John 14:12)


If no one dares to follow in my footsteps, then I have failed as a teacher. I am indeed the real Jesus Christ, and I am come to call my own. I call you to take up the path that I demonstrated, namely the path of personal Christhood.

I am a spiritual being, and I am very much alive. I am fully aware that millions of people have been given a distorted image of me and my teachings. Therefore, so many wonderful people have an image of me that is dominated by inner conflicts, emotional pain, negative feelings and unanswered questions.

I have instructed my messenger to create this website, because I desire to give you an opportunity to heal your relationship to me. I desire to commune with my own, so that you and I can build a personal relationship. I am aware that you cannot build such a relationship until you resolve your inner conflicts and find answers to your questions.
This website will give you the opportunity to ask me a direct question and receive my direct answer.

This site is an unprecedented step, and it will give you an opportunity to commune with me through an outer form of communication. I give you this opportunity, because I hope it will inspire you to commune with me through a direct, inner communication. Do not let this outer communion prevent you from striving for the inner communion.

If you will make use of this site, you can come to fully understand my true teachings. When I walked the earth 2,000 years ago, there was much I could not reveal. Today, things are different, and I can tell you much more about my mission. It is my sincere hope that you will use these teachings to rise to a higher awareness, an inner knowing, of who you are and why you are here on this beautiful, but troubled, planet.
You know my voice

I understand that your initial reaction to this website might be surprise and skepticism. How can you know that the teachings on this website come directly from the real Jesus Christ?

My spiritual brothers and sisters know my voice, even when I am speaking through one of their brothers. I am indeed your Jesus, and when I walked the earth, I made a promise that applies to every human being on this planet: “I am with you always, even onto the end of the world.”

I am offering these teachings because I desire you to know that I have kept that promise and that I intend to keep it in the future. I have been with you always, I am with you now and I will be with you always.

You might wonder why you do not realize or experience that I am with you. The reason is that you have allowed yourself to create a sense of separation from me. If you will read and absorb these teachings, you might realize that the sense of separation exists only in your own mind. I am an unlimited cosmic being, and there are no barriers I cannot cross. Only one thing can separate me from you, and that is your decision to see yourself as separated from me.

I understand that you are concerned about the authenticity of this site. How is it possible that I, the real Jesus Christ, can speak to you through a website?

I am asking you to please consider the situation from my perspective. I know that the human mind is able to question and doubt absolutely anything. Therefore, how could I possibly give you an outer proof of the authenticity of this site? I think an objective evaluation would show you that nothing I could possibly say would constitute such a proof. However, I do not need to give you an outer proof, because you have the ability to find an inner proof.

Science has told you that everything in this universe is made of energy. Energy is vibration. Your physical senses are simply instruments that are designed to detect vibrations in the material world. You also have an inner sense, and you can use it to detect vibrations that are beyond the material world.

The living truth that I bring, the living truth that I am, is a form of spiritual energy or vibration. If you will silence your analytical mind and go deeply within your heart, you can activate the inner sense that allows you to detect the vibration of spiritual light, spiritual energy. Through this inner sense, you can feel the vibration of the words I am speaking to you through this site. Through your inner sense, you can know that it is indeed my voice. You can know that I am the real Jesus Christ, and that I am here to call my own.

As you continue to study this site, use your inner sense of the heart. Read these teachings with your mind, but absorb them with your heart. Your heart will tell you the truth; the living truth that I am.

Ask and you shall receive an answer. Knock and the door shall be opened. Let us be about our Father’s business of bringing his kingdom to Earth.

I am your brother and teacher, I am your

Jesus



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Have you seen this?

Stop it at the frames just before impact, .... then use the right arrow and left arrow to move it one frame at a time and you will see a real angel saving a person about to become killed by a truck.

Archangel Michael has BILLIONS of angels with him ready to help us.

One helped this guy on the day this happened.

[link to www.youtube.com]

This is pretty amazing.
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I just found this which seems appropriate to our thoughts today.
I am trying to find a discourse where he says why he chose Kim, its pretty interesting, I just have to find where it is. I think it clears up what you brought up.


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my friend i already met that infinite being of love of which many cultures speak in different names.
being baptized under orthodox christian faith i perceive him at that time in the form of the one known as jesus christ.
it happened 8 years ago in dream state.
at that moment my ego received his judgement, and the soul started to tip the scales.
2 years ago battle to the death between soul and ego was fought. ego accepted death that day, and from that moment submits to the will of the soul.
from that moment i accepted the cross that others accepted before me.

you have free will to believe whatever you wish to believe. but it is my duty to make you aware that messages given to others imply responsibility, and each one will be judged according to his words and deeds.

there are good intentions in what you try to do. but you also know what it is said of good intentions...

i pray that your soul will have the honor to feel that presence, directly and not mediated through other persons, or websites. If that will happen you will understand what true humbleness means and also the sanctity of respecting the free will of your fellow beings. Also you will understand the sacred intimacy of divine communion, and that it is a sin against holy spirit to try to interfere in the ways you do, by promoting A Way for other beings to follow.

How would I know these things? It is irrelevant. I as an ego do not know nothing anymore. The words above will be read by you and by others. Some will understand the message some will not.

May you find the communion with Holy Spirit that your Soul yearns for.
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We have to learn to awaken our INNER MEMORY to learn that we are more than our physical bodies.

Because inside that memory is the Truth of Who we are.

And so these things that I will say to you, if they are true for you, you will know it because they will resonate within that memory even though this world has so many ways to keep us from accessing that part of our memory.

And you will also learn that our EGO is our enemy’s biggest ally.

How can we do that? ............ That’s what I hope through this thread, to share with you, from what I am learning, so that we can all learn it, IF WE CHOOSE TO.

Then, I promise you, things become much more fun.
Especially when you learn Who will help each of us get through this.

Its probably impossible to do it all alone, therefore God has given us just the right Teachers and Helpers.
And as you learn Who they are it will amaze you.


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 Quoting: T of G 25944836


Thats were you are partly wrong.
The eror the new age systems teach us is that we must dismantle,kill,destroy our ego and that is fail.
You will have to will something hard enough for it to be so, without a ego you cant will anything, lost in the clouds.
Dont fall for it, your will to help someone is allso driven by your ego.
Drive your ego just dont let it drive you, but do not try to erase it then you will be in trouble.
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26220796


The ego must be transcended, transformed, Surrendered. "Self" gets redefined. The ego and all of it's false creation will disappear. And when it does you find that you never were "that". The Real You is found.

You don't "will" it, you BE it. Unlimited Consciousness transcends the limited "linear thinking" of mans mind. And yet when you begin the process of waking up you must use the ego to overcome the ego.

No, when the ego is erased you become FREE. Only fear makes you think that that could be trouble.
 Quoting: jc 25947914


Well I've been thinking about the ego quite a bit lately and how I've gone about using it to my own benefit so to speak. If you invert the ego and turn it back in on yourself so as to turn that competitive nature towards yourself and yourself alone, it really does work when the objective is to make better of yourself through getting to know yourself better.

What I'm a bit confused about though is how some people tend to approach it as a 'you need to destroy your ego' in order to progress' kind of tactic and I've always felt more comfortable with the dissolving of the ego into one's self. And there is a difference because just because something dissolves doesn't mean it is 'destroyed', rather that it has changed it's form to a more fluid, workable state.

I mean if our totality of being is comprised of both positive and negative aspects, would it not do ourselves great harm by destroying one half of ourselves?


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Good thoughts Bowman.

The more you erase, the more you "let go", the more you forget the personality/ego and all of it's false creation, the more the Real You and true Reality stands forth revealed. You are not the ego, never have been. You don't destroy it, you forgive it. When someone says you need to destroy the ego they mean well. Words, they are so limiting. Try to read between the lines, to grasp the higher meaning that the words are trying to convey.

"Self" gets redefined as "you" overcome what you "thought" you were, as you reform, recreate your self from a higher perspective. Much as a child lets go of childhood things, as he realizes there is something more to what he is. We all went through that process even though you may not remember the details. It is good to remember the details. As you realized something more, something greater, you began to question your self, to redefine self. "Is this who I am?" "Am I this child or am I something more?"

And when one realizes there is something more to what they are than being a mere human being, then the process of letting go, of recreating self anew can be used again to bring forth a "higher" version of your self.

For this you need an Ideal, something to replace the old "you" with. Many Masters, including Jesus, have presented aspects, perspectives, ways to bring forth this Ideal throughout the illusionary ages of "mankind". You have been clinging to that belief of being a mere mortal for countless "lives". Had enough? How many times can you continue to repeat the same things over and over and over?

The child is still malleable. They have not decided yet who they are, who they wish to be. When they accept (unknowingly), through social consciousness, the belief that they are merely a human being, a man or a woman, then the process stops and most live out yet another "life" in the illusion.

Become as a child again. Return to the Present and become the Observer. Let go of the old "you" and replace it with something New. Live It. And then watch in amazement as your life changes to reflect it back.
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I just found this which seems appropriate to our thoughts today.
I am trying to find a discourse where he says why he chose Kim, its pretty interesting, I just have to find where it is. I think it clears up what you brought up.


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my friend i already met that infinite being of love of which many cultures speak in different names.
being baptized under orthodox christian faith i perceive him at that time in the form of the one known as jesus christ.
it happened 8 years ago in dream state.
at that moment my ego received his judgement, and the soul started to tip the scales.
2 years ago battle to the death between soul and ego was fought. ego accepted death that day, and from that moment submits to the will of the soul.
from that moment i accepted the cross that others accepted before me.

you have free will to believe whatever you wish to believe. but it is my duty to make you aware that messages given to others imply responsibility, and each one will be judged according to his words and deeds.

there are good intentions in what you try to do. but you also know what it is said of good intentions...

i pray that your soul will have the honor to feel that presence, directly and not mediated through other persons, or websites. If that will happen you will understand what true humbleness means and also the sanctity of respecting the free will of your fellow beings. Also you will understand the sacred intimacy of divine communion, and that it is a sin against holy spirit to try to interfere in the ways you do, by promoting A Way for other beings to follow.

How would I know these things? It is irrelevant. I as an ego do not know nothing anymore. The words above will be read by you and by others. Some will understand the message some will not.

May you find the communion with Holy Spirit that your Soul yearns for.
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andreidita, from what you say about yourself, and your experience you seem to be quite happy with the way things are for you, and I respect that.

And it is absolutely true what you say that there is a responsibility I have to accept for all my actions, including what I say to all others. And that goes for ALL of us.

I am very aware of the responsibility especially through my study of God’s law of karma, and Jesus has made me understand that from an even deeper level in his discourses in ways that I had never heard of or considered before.

I have no fear about what I am doing. I don’t know how much of this thread you have actually read, or if you skimmed through it and went to the most current posts right away, but there are a lot of good posts worth reading on this thread. And you would have a better understanding of what I am doing and also why I do what I am doing. I believe I made it clear, but one can never tell if the understanding by someone is communicated to others.

I can see that you have some apprehension about the website I am saying is Jesus’, and also seem a bit concerned and perhaps fearful that it could be some malevolent spirit instead of Jesus or perhaps even some scammer trying to manipulate others.

Don’t be afraid, or concerned for me. I am completely convinced that it is Jesus, and in fact, I don’t just believe it, I know it. Especially from my personal experiences that I have had by studying his discourses and books from him. And using the spiritual tools he and the Ascended Hosts make available for us on that website, even to remove evil spirits, and to change negative conditions, and for me personally to also completely heal a health condition which there was no remedy for, neither by the established and in control medical quacks, nor by the alternative medicine methods which uses the most helpful methods in my opinion. It was not a life threatening condition, but a very chronic and often quite painful one. I was facing just to accept it and get used to it until I die, well within 2 or 3 days of using one of the spiritual tool it was gone! And I had it for about 3yrs.

Now I know what a spiritual healing is, because as I have written I had many years of experience practicing it for others, and only on occasion would it work for me. It is an ironic thing that self healing is very difficult to do with the spiritual methods I learned from ACIM. But I am very knowledgeable of the many methods used and practiced, because I studied and did it for a long time.

andreidita, I think you are making conclusions about things that you haven’t really given yourself a chance to understand yet. And that is fine, and quite alright with me. My only intentions are to SHARE what I learned with others so that they can know what I know, or at least know where I learned it, and be able to do what I have done and even more interesting things. Just as Jesus said, its true for us too, and Its why we are alive. God wants us to share what we have found that can help us. He wants us to multiply our creative powers by learning how to use God’s own spiritual laws to take dominion over the material universe”. We have spiritual reasons for being here, this was no accident that we are here. And we have to WAKE PEOPLE UP!
jc is right in line with this and he has some great ideas to share too.

Check out the other posts in this thread, you may see things differently.

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Now I know what a spiritual healing is, because as I have written I had many years of experience practicing it for others, and only on occasion would it work for me. It is an ironic thing that self healing is very difficult to do with the spiritual methods I learned from ACIM. But I am very knowledgeable of the many methods used and practiced, because I studied and did it for a long time.

andreidita, I think you are making conclusions about things that you haven’t really given yourself a chance to understand yet. And that is fine, and quite alright with me. My only intentions are to SHARE what I learned with others so that they can know what I know, or at least know where I learned it, and be able to do what I have done and even more interesting things. Just as Jesus said, its true for us too, and Its why we are alive. God wants us to share what we have found that can help us. He wants us to multiply our creative powers by learning how to use God’s own spiritual laws to take dominion over the material universe”. We have spiritual reasons for being here, this was no accident that we are here. And we have to WAKE PEOPLE UP!
jc is right in line with this and he has some great ideas to share too.

Check out the other posts in this thread, you may see things differently.

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friend, i do not make conclusions. do not misunderstand me. i communicate one to one with you and i felt to tell you those words.
i am not in a position to judge the ways of the Spirit.
each of us as an individual has his specific road towards meeting Spirit.
you seem set on your way. and may Spirit guide you in your soul mission.
this is the essence of what i felt to say to you. it might seem judgmental in some points, but that was not the point. But to see whether you are aware of certain responsibilities implied by this path.
You are. About the content of the messages, i have no intention to interfere with it. I already said that it seems ok. The ones who need to read it, will be surely guided to do so.
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Thats were you are partly wrong.
The eror the new age systems teach us is that we must dismantle,kill,destroy our ego and that is fail.
You will have to will something hard enough for it to be so, without a ego you cant will anything, lost in the clouds.
Dont fall for it, your will to help someone is allso driven by your ego.
Drive your ego just dont let it drive you, but do not try to erase it then you will be in trouble.
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The ego must be transcended, transformed, Surrendered. "Self" gets redefined. The ego and all of it's false creation will disappear. And when it does you find that you never were "that". The Real You is found.

You don't "will" it, you BE it. Unlimited Consciousness transcends the limited "linear thinking" of mans mind. And yet when you begin the process of waking up you must use the ego to overcome the ego.

No, when the ego is erased you become FREE. Only fear makes you think that that could be trouble.
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Well I've been thinking about the ego quite a bit lately and how I've gone about using it to my own benefit so to speak. If you invert the ego and turn it back in on yourself so as to turn that competitive nature towards yourself and yourself alone, it really does work when the objective is to make better of yourself through getting to know yourself better.

What I'm a bit confused about though is how some people tend to approach it as a 'you need to destroy your ego' in order to progress' kind of tactic and I've always felt more comfortable with the dissolving of the ego into one's self. And there is a difference because just because something dissolves doesn't mean it is 'destroyed', rather that it has changed it's form to a more fluid, workable state.

I mean if our totality of being is comprised of both positive and negative aspects, would it not do ourselves great harm by destroying one half of ourselves?


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Good thoughts Bowman.

The more you erase, the more you "let go", the more you forget the personality/ego and all of it's false creation, the more the Real You and true Reality stands forth revealed. You are not the ego, never have been. You don't destroy it, you forgive it. When someone says you need to destroy the ego they mean well. Words, they are so limiting. Try to read between the lines, to grasp the higher meaning that the words are trying to convey.

"Self" gets redefined as "you" overcome what you "thought" you were, as you reform, recreate your self from a higher perspective. Much as a child lets go of childhood things, as he realizes there is something more to what he is. We all went through that process even though you may not remember the details. It is good to remember the details. As you realized something more, something greater, you began to question your self, to redefine self. "Is this who I am?" "Am I this child or am I something more?"

And when one realizes there is something more to what they are than being a mere human being, then the process of letting go, of recreating self anew can be used again to bring forth a "higher" version of your self.

For this you need an Ideal, something to replace the old "you" with. Many Masters, including Jesus, have presented aspects, perspectives, ways to bring forth this Ideal throughout the illusionary ages of "mankind". You have been clinging to that belief of being a mere mortal for countless "lives". Had enough? How many times can you continue to repeat the same things over and over and over?

The child is still malleable. They have not decided yet who they are, who they wish to be. When they accept (unknowingly), through social consciousness, the belief that they are merely a human being, a man or a woman, then the process stops and most live out yet another "life" in the illusion.

Become as a child again. Return to the Present and become the Observer. Let go of the old "you" and replace it with something New. Live It. And then watch in amazement as your life changes to reflect it back.
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Thank you T of G and jc. Every word you spoke resonated deeply and as members of the Family of Light, I salute and love you for the work that you are doing and the messages you are spreading to awaken humanity.
Please read their words with an open heart, dear ones. Don't try to analyze everything to a minute detail. Allow yourselves to feel.

Remember who you are.

Love you very much, see you soon.
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Thank you T of G and jc. Every word you spoke resonated deeply and as members of the Family of Light, I salute and love you for the work that you are doing and the messages you are spreading to awaken humanity.
Please read their words with an open heart, dear ones. Don't try to analyze everything to a minute detail. Allow yourselves to feel.

Remember who you are.

Love you very much, see you soon.hf

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A welcome message by Jesus

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also . . . (John 14:12)


If no one dares to follow in my footsteps, then I have failed as a teacher. I am indeed the real Jesus Christ, and I am come to call my own. I call you to take up the path that I demonstrated, namely the path of personal Christhood.

I am a spiritual being, and I am very much alive. I am fully aware that millions of people have been given a distorted image of me and my teachings. Therefore, so many wonderful people have an image of me that is dominated by inner conflicts, emotional pain, negative feelings and unanswered questions.

I have instructed my messenger to create this website, because I desire to give you an opportunity to heal your relationship to me. I desire to commune with my own, so that you and I can build a personal relationship. I am aware that you cannot build such a relationship until you resolve your inner conflicts and find answers to your questions.
This website will give you the opportunity to ask me a direct question and receive my direct answer.

This site is an unprecedented step, and it will give you an opportunity to commune with me through an outer form of communication. I give you this opportunity, because I hope it will inspire you to commune with me through a direct, inner communication. Do not let this outer communion prevent you from striving for the inner communion.

If you will make use of this site, you can come to fully understand my true teachings. When I walked the earth 2,000 years ago, there was much I could not reveal. Today, things are different, and I can tell you much more about my mission. It is my sincere hope that you will use these teachings to rise to a higher awareness, an inner knowing, of who you are and why you are here on this beautiful, but troubled, planet.
You know my voice

I understand that your initial reaction to this website might be surprise and skepticism. How can you know that the teachings on this website come directly from the real Jesus Christ?

My spiritual brothers and sisters know my voice, even when I am speaking through one of their brothers. I am indeed your Jesus, and when I walked the earth, I made a promise that applies to every human being on this planet: “I am with you always, even onto the end of the world.”

I am offering these teachings because I desire you to know that I have kept that promise and that I intend to keep it in the future. I have been with you always, I am with you now and I will be with you always.

You might wonder why you do not realize or experience that I am with you. The reason is that you have allowed yourself to create a sense of separation from me. If you will read and absorb these teachings, you might realize that the sense of separation exists only in your own mind. I am an unlimited cosmic being, and there are no barriers I cannot cross. Only one thing can separate me from you, and that is your decision to see yourself as separated from me.

I understand that you are concerned about the authenticity of this site. How is it possible that I, the real Jesus Christ, can speak to you through a website?

I am asking you to please consider the situation from my perspective. I know that the human mind is able to question and doubt absolutely anything. Therefore, how could I possibly give you an outer proof of the authenticity of this site? I think an objective evaluation would show you that nothing I could possibly say would constitute such a proof. However, I do not need to give you an outer proof, because you have the ability to find an inner proof.

Science has told you that everything in this universe is made of energy. Energy is vibration. Your physical senses are simply instruments that are designed to detect vibrations in the material world. You also have an inner sense, and you can use it to detect vibrations that are beyond the material world.

The living truth that I bring, the living truth that I am, is a form of spiritual energy or vibration. If you will silence your analytical mind and go deeply within your heart, you can activate the inner sense that allows you to detect the vibration of spiritual light, spiritual energy. Through this inner sense, you can feel the vibration of the words I am speaking to you through this site. Through your inner sense, you can know that it is indeed my voice. You can know that I am the real Jesus Christ, and that I am here to call my own.

As you continue to study this site, use your inner sense of the heart. Read these teachings with your mind, but absorb them with your heart. Your heart will tell you the truth; the living truth that I am.

Ask and you shall receive an answer. Knock and the door shall be opened. Let us be about our Father’s business of bringing his kingdom to Earth.

I am your brother and teacher, I am your

Jesus



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Excellent advice given in this quote T of G.
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Thank you T of G and jc. Every word you spoke resonated deeply and as members of the Family of Light, I salute and love you for the work that you are doing and the messages you are spreading to awaken humanity.
Please read their words with an open heart, dear ones. Don't try to analyze everything to a minute detail. Allow yourselves to feel.

Remember who you are.

Love you very much, see you soon.hf
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Thank you Oneian! Yes "we" shall be "seeing" each other very very soon indeed. For Planet Earth is in the midst of major global changes. These changes are affecting everything, everyone upon and within Her. Right down to the very core of your being.

And, we are about to witness the most spectacular changes Planet Earth has ever experienced in Her entire history. The frequency of incoming light has reached the point where these changes will be swift, breathtaking. What you "see" happening, changing "without" is ALSO happening within.

Whether one is ready for this or not. Just know that there is nothing to fear! Be at Peace and remember Who You Are. There is more help available to you now than ever before so go within and ask.

"Life" as "you" have known it is at an End. You will be assimilated into a whole new reality. Resistance is futile.

There are many Mansions in Our Fathers House. And depending on your vibration there is one ready and waiting just for you.

It is ringing. The Liberty Bell tolls for Thee.
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Thank you T of G and jc. Every word you spoke resonated deeply and as members of the Family of Light, I salute and love you for the work that you are doing and the messages you are spreading to awaken humanity.
Please read their words with an open heart, dear ones. Don't try to analyze everything to a minute detail. Allow yourselves to feel.

Remember who you are.

Love you very much, see you soon.hf
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oneian, thank you for your post and kind thoughts.

It is a good feeling to know that what is being communicated is understood and appreciated by some of the people reading these posts. Its very encouraging, and its especially wonderful to see that there are people all around the world who are resonating with the same spiritual focus, it means that many of us are waking up to the reality that we are spiritual beings, and as we awaken, we can help others also awaken to the profound truth of Who we really are, and why we are here. And this is what can make a difference.

On our own we can't do it, we need to be guided, and Jesus and the Ascended Hosts will provide that Guidance.

I have never learned as much as I have been learning from Jesus' discourses and books. And he has also said that many of us now in this age, are at a much higher level of consciousness than were people in previous ages, especially those 2000yrs ago so that we can be told the deeper meaning of his teaching, and will be able to understand them, where others then would not have been able to understand the deeper concepts and meanings, and that is why they were told in a simpler way so that they could at least begin to comprehend what our true nature is.


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What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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Thank you jc and T of G, With love in our hearts we move forward to each waking day.
It is indeed, the greatest of all things.

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