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Survival Skills: Make fire by hand

 
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12/11/2012 08:00 PM
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Re: Survival Skills: Make fire by hand
You think this will still be possible after 2012?
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12/11/2012 10:30 PM
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Re: Survival Skills: Make fire by hand
Anyone got more good survival tips and info, links or videos?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28542619


Ideally you can survive two ways.

Either take the tools and equipment for comfort and to prop up a lacking skill set, or better is to develop your skill set to a level where you dont need much.

Ideally you would want to be able to survive with the cloths on your back and whats in your pockets. The Tom Brown JR survival school had 34 levels I think. Level 34 is in Montana in the middle of winter for 3 weeks or so.

Amazon Jungle, Natives typically will go out with very little, machete and a bow and arrows. They will build a shelter or a hammock etc. I did watch a ray mears video lately where some tribe in the amazon had been using matches and lighters and in 1-2 generations had lost the skill of friction fire making.

Tom Brown books, Youtube - Ray Mears, Cody Lundin, Dave Cantabury (Dual survival), etc. Bear grills is too much entertainment. Do what he does and you will probably die PDQ.

I liked the show Man Woman Wild.

Basically in this order or close to it, in any sort of climate you need

Shelter, fire and Water all sort of go together, but you will die from exposure, Hypo-Hyperthermia before you die of thirst. Fire can be used in cold to keep you warm.

You need to go out and practice this stuff to be able to survive the extremes.

1. Shelter
Practice setting up and building shelters. If you are building a debris shelter it takes time and if its 1 hour before dark you need to know what you are doing. Even if you get the wrong kind of tent, non tested you can snap poles (especially fiberglass) , find out its not really waterproof etc forgot my stakes.

In winter - Could be a tent ground pad and sleeping bag, Tarp hammock and wool blanket, or it could be a DIY Lean to with a fire in front or a debris shelter or a wikiup, or most anything you can find between. In the Desert it could be a tarp, an umbrella or whatever.

2. Fire
Practice building fires different ways in all sorts of weather including drizzling rain and damp.
Carry 4-5 ways. Need it for warmth and to boil water mostly and cooking if you are that lucky. If you get Giardia in the outback lost you are screwed. FULL lighter or two, water proof matches, striker and steel, maybe a magnifyng glass or whatever else you can think of. Last resort should be a bow drill. Wet fire is a good thing to have. A cut up inner tube is a bullet proof fire starter and free (bands) and will burn wet.

3. Water
Carry it or find it. Not easy to find in Deserts and you need skills there and a lot of containers. Solar stills work but you need plastic. In snow you need to melt it. In creeks and streams you must purify it especially in S. America. Hepatitis is in some ground water sources in south America and other parts of the world.

4. Medical
Carry a small kit of some sort and know how to use it.
Even just a needle and thread, suture bandaid, super glue, quick clot, pad or two, some duct tape, and a mini antibiotic might be enough.

5. Food
If you are lucky you might have some, If not you will have to gather it or trap it. If you have no wild food skill sets to ID wild food, pass on that as you will most likely eat the wrong thing and get sick. Trapping, best thing you can do is carry a good length of wire and large rat traps. Trapping is low percentage though but you can survive a long time without food.

Ideally what I would carry minimally would be a good full tang knife barely big enough to baton wood, a healthy length of paracord or triptease, some polycro plastic and or a mylar space blanket as an ad-hoc shelter, Fire kit as above, a few platypus water bottles with a simple water treatment drops, (you want chemicals or boil to get rid of viruses and Hep etc), Med as above, compass.

If you have a super skill set you can get by with a good knife and some paracord.

Go on the internet and look up the 10 essentials.

I carry a couple of micro EDC survival kits every day in my pocket. Part on my keychain and part in a small altoids can.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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12/17/2012 01:21 PM
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Re: Survival Skills: Make fire by hand
Anyone got more good survival tips and info, links or videos?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28542619


Ideally you can survive two ways.

Either take the tools and equipment for comfort and to prop up a lacking skill set, or better is to develop your skill set to a level where you dont need much.

Ideally you would want to be able to survive with the cloths on your back and whats in your pockets. The Tom Brown JR survival school had 34 levels I think. Level 34 is in Montana in the middle of winter for 3 weeks or so.

Amazon Jungle, Natives typically will go out with very little, machete and a bow and arrows. They will build a shelter or a hammock etc. I did watch a ray mears video lately where some tribe in the amazon had been using matches and lighters and in 1-2 generations had lost the skill of friction fire making.

Tom Brown books, Youtube - Ray Mears, Cody Lundin, Dave Cantabury (Dual survival), etc. Bear grills is too much entertainment. Do what he does and you will probably die PDQ.

I liked the show Man Woman Wild.

Basically in this order or close to it, in any sort of climate you need

Shelter, fire and Water all sort of go together, but you will die from exposure, Hypo-Hyperthermia before you die of thirst. Fire can be used in cold to keep you warm.

You need to go out and practice this stuff to be able to survive the extremes.

1. Shelter
Practice setting up and building shelters. If you are building a debris shelter it takes time and if its 1 hour before dark you need to know what you are doing. Even if you get the wrong kind of tent, non tested you can snap poles (especially fiberglass) , find out its not really waterproof etc forgot my stakes.

In winter - Could be a tent ground pad and sleeping bag, Tarp hammock and wool blanket, or it could be a DIY Lean to with a fire in front or a debris shelter or a wikiup, or most anything you can find between. In the Desert it could be a tarp, an umbrella or whatever.

2. Fire
Practice building fires different ways in all sorts of weather including drizzling rain and damp.
Carry 4-5 ways. Need it for warmth and to boil water mostly and cooking if you are that lucky. If you get Giardia in the outback lost you are screwed. FULL lighter or two, water proof matches, striker and steel, maybe a magnifyng glass or whatever else you can think of. Last resort should be a bow drill. Wet fire is a good thing to have. A cut up inner tube is a bullet proof fire starter and free (bands) and will burn wet.

3. Water
Carry it or find it. Not easy to find in Deserts and you need skills there and a lot of containers. Solar stills work but you need plastic. In snow you need to melt it. In creeks and streams you must purify it especially in S. America. Hepatitis is in some ground water sources in south America and other parts of the world.

4. Medical
Carry a small kit of some sort and know how to use it.
Even just a needle and thread, suture bandaid, super glue, quick clot, pad or two, some duct tape, and a mini antibiotic might be enough.

5. Food
If you are lucky you might have some, If not you will have to gather it or trap it. If you have no wild food skill sets to ID wild food, pass on that as you will most likely eat the wrong thing and get sick. Trapping, best thing you can do is carry a good length of wire and large rat traps. Trapping is low percentage though but you can survive a long time without food.

Ideally what I would carry minimally would be a good full tang knife barely big enough to baton wood, a healthy length of paracord or triptease, some polycro plastic and or a mylar space blanket as an ad-hoc shelter, Fire kit as above, a few platypus water bottles with a simple water treatment drops, (you want chemicals or boil to get rid of viruses and Hep etc), Med as above, compass.

If you have a super skill set you can get by with a good knife and some paracord.

Go on the internet and look up the 10 essentials.

I carry a couple of micro EDC survival kits every day in my pocket. Part on my keychain and part in a small altoids can.

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29664506


Wow thats the most comprehensive list of useful tips ever presented in this forum! Thanks a lot for sharing!!

Too bad I cant star og pin suggest single posts in a thread :)
Zeff

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12/17/2012 01:54 PM

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and how you make fire in the wild with totally wet wood and wet/cold environment ? like autumn/winter ?

you just dont and bear with it, even a fuking lighter is useless in this case.

experience talks.

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and how you make fire in the wild with totally wet wood and wet/cold environment ? like autumn/winter ?

you just dont and bear with it, even a fuking lighter is useless in this case.

experience talks.
 Quoting: Zeff


You remove the upper wet layer of material and find dry below. Then you seek cover if it is still raining, obviously, and dont try to lit it up with the rain falling over you.