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Have you done it? Should it really be punished?

I have stolen food when i couldn't make ends meet. Yes, it's bad and i knew, but hunger does amazing things to your morals.

Up until the 70's there was a law in Germany for this, called Mundraub (mouth theft), basically saying, if someone steals food because he's hungry, it's not punishable. Of course that law is long gone and people go to jail for not being able to pay their 400€ punishment over 4€ of groceries.

Your opinion please. No hate.
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There's this practice called gleaning (I think) where people go along after the harvest and collect the less than perfect fruits, the leftovers, and the fallen fruit, etc from the field. I think that should always be open to the hungry.
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^^ Good idea but not possible in a city...

Posted this thread because of all the hate in the Snickers thief thread. Yes, you could go to a charity organization and sit between junkies and homeless people and eat something there. But i guess the reason people steal food instead of going to charity, is shame.
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^^ Good idea but not possible in a city...

Posted this thread because of all the hate in the Snickers thief thread. Yes, you could go to a charity organization and sit between junkies and homeless people and eat something there. But i guess the reason people steal food instead of going to charity, is shame.
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Dumpster (skip) diving is probably the gleaning of the cities...going behind the grocers after they close and getting the recently expired and imperfect items they throw out.

Honestly, I think the entire system is fucked and food is being used as a mechanism of control. No one should go hungry just because they are not producing (earning money) at any given time, not when the fields are producing enough to feed everyone.

I used to work in charity. I was amazed by the amount of seemingly middle class people that would come in for help and then hide from me in public because of shame... that's something people just need to work through and get over.
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Have you done it? Should it really be punished?

I have stolen food when i couldn't make ends meet. Yes, it's bad and i knew, but hunger does amazing things to your morals.

Up until the 70's there was a law in Germany for this, called Mundraub (mouth theft), basically saying, if someone steals food because he's hungry, it's not punishable. Of course that law is long gone and people go to jail for not being able to pay their 400€ punishment over 4€ of groceries.

Your opinion please. No hate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25235716


if it really is food then thats sad. but im just saying. snickers or skitles dont count as food
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Have you done it? Should it really be punished?

I have stolen food when i couldn't make ends meet. Yes, it's bad and i knew, but hunger does amazing things to your morals.

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What did you steal, OP? And from where?

Just curious. I'd like to hear your story.

And yes, to be honest, I have stolen in the past. Not proud of it either. I am of the opinion that it is better to give than to receive, and I try to live by that maxim. But I think that probably most people have stolen in one way or another, even if it's through tax avoidance, or being complicit in the rape of the resources of third world countries...while we grow rich...they starve...etc..I would say that very few are innocent.
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if it really is food then thats sad. but im just saying. snickers or skitles dont count as food
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Snickers at least contain peanuts (protein). I'm going to have to agree on the skittles.
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i am a proud camel not a monkey
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i am a proud camel not a monkey
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10/21/2012 08:10 AM
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OP, hang out at Costco for food samples. You'll be stuffed in no time.
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I have also stolen to eat. But it was many years ago, when food stamps were few and far between - in fact you did not get food stamps, YOU GOT CHEESE! Today, there is really no need to steal to eat, at least in America. We have a welfare system that covers just about any contingency for anyone, all they have to do is ask a gov't entity. Don't know how it works in Germany.

If the society you live in does not have a system whereby a hunger person/family can find a way to feed themselves (whether through food stamps, or faith-based orgs, or food kitchens), then I say if they steal FOOD (and only nutrituous food), they not be prosecuted. Cigs do not count, alcohol does not count, candy bars do not count.

Also, it should not be a shameful thing to have to go to a food kichen to eat. If they make you feel ashamed, SHAME ON THEM. That is what they are supposed to be there for - to help the unfortunate.
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Dumpster (skip) diving is probably the gleaning of the cities...
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I worked for almost 8 years in retail store development, for large chains such as Tesco, Asda, and many others.

And I can tell you from first hand experience that the amount of food thrown away daily could probably best be described as criminal. Simply because it has reached its sell by/display by date. They are not allowed to sell you the food at a reduced rate, or even give it away. It has to be thrown.

For almost the past two years I have been working in frozen food manufacture, supplying those same stores, and I find it curious that we often make the exact same product for a number of High Street stores, yet one such store will specify that we print a sell by date of 12 months on the product, while another will require that we print the date at 18 months....for exactly the same product!

So I can tell you that enormous amounts of food are thrown away needlessly, based on the date setting of the client, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with a product's viability.
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I have also stolen to eat. But it was many years ago, when food stamps were few and far between - in fact you did not get food stamps, YOU GOT CHEESE! Today, there is really no need to steal to eat, at least in America. We have a welfare system that covers just about any contingency for anyone, all they have to do is ask a gov't entity. Don't know how it works in Germany.

If the society you live in does not have a system whereby a hunger person/family can find a way to feed themselves (whether through food stamps, or faith-based orgs, or food kitchens), then I say if they steal FOOD (and only nutrituous food), they not be prosecuted. Cigs do not count, alcohol does not count, candy bars do not count.

Also, it should not be a shameful thing to have to go to a food kichen to eat. If they make you feel ashamed, SHAME ON THEM. That is what they are supposed to be there for - to help the unfortunate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821


Interestingly, the only times I've really craved cheap sugar products (soda, etc) were when I was poor and otherwise getting sustenance foods. Maybe it was the feeling of doing without that made me crave it? Whatever it was it made me break down and drink soda regularly..bleh. I can see why the poor go for the cheap comfort foods with no nutritional value.
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Have you done it? Should it really be punished?

I have stolen food when i couldn't make ends meet. Yes, it's bad and i knew, but hunger does amazing things to your morals.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25235716


What did you steal, OP? And from where?

Just curious. I'd like to hear your story.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny

It's been a few times... Noodles, bread, ketchup, cheese. Such stuff. Unemployed (inb4 get a job). This month should be better, got some small jobs, helping people move and such.

Re: Snickers not being food: Indeed, he should have stolen groceries if hungry. But, who knows, maybe he saw no chance getting some good stuff and just went for the Snickers, at least something.
We dunno the full story and in this light the hate in that thread disgusted me even more. "Chop his hands off!!!", the same guys who use every chance to agitate against Islam now want Sharia law, lol?
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10/21/2012 08:24 AM
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Dumpster (skip) diving is probably the gleaning of the cities...going behind the grocers after they close and getting the recently expired and imperfect items they throw out.

Honestly, I think the entire system is fucked and food is being used as a mechanism of control. No one should go hungry just because they are not producing (earning money) at any given time, not when the fields are producing enough to feed everyone.

I used to work in charity. I was amazed by the amount of seemingly middle class people that would come in for help and then hide from me in public because of shame... that's something people just need to work through and get over.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door

Yeah dumpster diving got quite popular here in Berlin in the last few years. So popular, that most shops now have a lock on their containers...

Conditionless income could be a solution, but that's impossible to realize with the current regime.
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10/21/2012 08:29 AM
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Cigs do not count, alcohol does not count, candy bars do not count.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821

Of course. Regarding the shame on charity, i think it's that people don't want to realize they got to the bottom. Also, no soup kitchens on the country.

We have this funny thing called "Tafel" (table), only for unemployed (you need to bring some formulars. Homeless and no formular, bad luck), where you get 1 or 2 bags full of old food (2 days due) for 2€. Never been there, heard too many horror stories.
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10/21/2012 08:49 AM
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I dont think its bad if youre hungry and theres no other way to get food.
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Dumpster (skip) diving is probably the gleaning of the cities...going behind the grocers after they close and getting the recently expired and imperfect items they throw out.

Honestly, I think the entire system is fucked and food is being used as a mechanism of control. No one should go hungry just because they are not producing (earning money) at any given time, not when the fields are producing enough to feed everyone.

I used to work in charity. I was amazed by the amount of seemingly middle class people that would come in for help and then hide from me in public because of shame... that's something people just need to work through and get over.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door

Yeah dumpster diving got quite popular here in Berlin in the last few years. So popular, that most shops now have a lock on their containers...

Conditionless income could be a solution, but that's impossible to realize with the current regime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25235716


Putting a lock on the containers, what are they hurting by taking the food the store threw away out? If theyre dumpster diving, they must be pretty damn desperate, are they supposed to starve?
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Have you done it? Should it really be punished?

I have stolen food when i couldn't make ends meet. Yes, it's bad and i knew, but hunger does amazing things to your morals.

Up until the 70's there was a law in Germany for this, called Mundraub (mouth theft), basically saying, if someone steals food because he's hungry, it's not punishable. Of course that law is long gone and people go to jail for not being able to pay their 400€ punishment over 4€ of groceries.

Your opinion please. No hate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25235716


if it really is food then thats sad. but im just saying. snickers or skitles dont count as food
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1285189


Snickers and Skittles are edible and are sold as candy, I would count it as food. Sure even more so for a starving person that hasnt been able to get food.
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10/21/2012 09:00 AM
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I'd view it as a capital offense. Death.
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10/21/2012 09:01 AM
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Very few people have gone through life without stealing something, in one way or another. Stealing food when you're hungry - absolutely forgivable.

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Very few people have gone through life without stealing something, in one way or another. Stealing food when you're hungry - absolutely forgivable.

u2efine
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You know the poor and welfare dogs would steal out of convenience then out of thought anyway. So they'd first go to the house down the street then risk a store or anything. There's an 8 out of 10 chance the next house will be your own, no matter how much you lock it down.
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Very few people have gone through life without stealing something, in one way or another. Stealing food when you're hungry - absolutely forgivable.

u2efine
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You know the poor and welfare dogs would steal out of convenience then out of thought anyway. So they'd first go to the house down the street then risk a store or anything. There's an 8 out of 10 chance the next house will be your own, no matter how much you lock it down.
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And I was hoping your previous 'death' post was a joke. :(
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Very few people have gone through life without stealing something, in one way or another. Stealing food when you're hungry - absolutely forgivable.

u2efine
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22336920


You know the poor and welfare dogs would steal out of convenience then out of thought anyway. So they'd first go to the house down the street then risk a store or anything. There's an 8 out of 10 chance the next house will be your own, no matter how much you lock it down.
 Quoting: éntropy



And I was hoping your previous 'death' post was a joke. :(
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Me 2
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While this is understandable when you are hungry, theft from someone who is working to try to make ends meet isn't. How would you feel if somebody broke into your house and cleaned out your refrigerator or pantry?

In the states we have food stamps and welfare to keep a person afloat. But many others run out of money before pay day. I keep a bowl of fruit in my room for my students because most of them are low income and they rarely get fresh fruit at home (and school lunches suck).

Honestly, I don't know how families are able to afford nutritious meals these days. My husband is in the food industry and is sometimes able to purchase product at a discounted rate at food shows when companies are getting rid of their samples. Even though I have to purchase little meat, our grocery and household supply (shampoo, kleenex, cleaning products...) bill is still well over $100 per week and we cook almost everything from scratch since I don't eat gluten products. We can afford it right now, but I cringe to know that many are subsisting on canned pastas and peanut butter sandwiches with little fresh fruits and vegetables in their diet.
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OP, hang out at Costco for food samples. You'll be stuffed in no time.
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First you have to come up with the money to join the club.
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Fuck yea.

I was made homeless and was completly alone before I was a teenager.

I decided then and there that this is not happening I won't allow it so decided I would commit a crime that would give me enough to house and feed myself or if I get caught I will at least have a roof and 3 meals a day in jail.

That was around 25 years ago and if put in same position I would do it all over again.

We are robbed everyday by the ones that are voted in to power by the big corps forcing the farmers prices down by the police sorry enforcement officers fining us under illigal statuettes.

I say as long as you are not hurting an individual on a personal level you must do what you must to survive, the ones who judge are the ones who have never had to do things they are not proud of to survive.
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Fuck yea.

I was made homeless and was completly alone before I was a teenager.

I decided then and there that this is not happening I won't allow it so decided I would commit a crime that would give me enough to house and feed myself or if I get caught I will at least have a roof and 3 meals a day in jail.

That was around 25 years ago and if put in same position I would do it all over again.

We are robbed everyday by the ones that are voted in to power by the big corps forcing the farmers prices down by the police sorry enforcement officers fining us under illigal statuettes.

I say as long as you are not hurting an individual on a personal level you must do what you must to survive, the ones who judge are the ones who have never had to do things they are not proud of to survive.
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Have you done it? Should it really be punished?

I have stolen food when i couldn't make ends meet. Yes, it's bad and i knew, but hunger does amazing things to your morals.

Up until the 70's there was a law in Germany for this, called Mundraub (mouth theft), basically saying, if someone steals food because he's hungry, it's not punishable. Of course that law is long gone and people go to jail for not being able to pay their 400€ punishment over 4€ of groceries.

Your opinion please. No hate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25235716


No, but some stores have placed loaves of bread out back for people. I have in time of need, gotten the given bread.

Stores give to local farmers produce that is moving toward past. I feel sure that if a hungry family showed up they would give it to them instead.

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There's this practice called gleaning (I think) where people go along after the harvest and collect the less than perfect fruits, the leftovers, and the fallen fruit, etc from the field. I think that should always be open to the hungry.
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in harrisburg pa, this "church" mission on market street between 14th & 17th gives away to the poor i think its every thursday, rotten fruits/veggies.
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