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more about the Fatima apparitions..

 
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Day 2.


the prophecies I am captivated by typically focus on two popes.

The first Pope is the "persecuted" Pope. (He witnesses the revolution/invasion and flees for his life)
The second Pope is the successor that guides the boat directly into or almost into the period of peace.

If Pope Benedict XVI passed away instead of resigning, it would have been clear by now that he was not yet the persecuted Pope mentioned in prophecy.

It makes a huge difference toward recognizing the truth when TSHTF whether Pope Francis is the first Pope or the second Pope according to prophecy.

The true identity of the persecuted Pope, makes all the difference on how people would perceive the Pope that succeeds Pope Francis.

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Let us examine a completely obscured detail of the La Salette Secret shall we.

Within the two Secrets of La Salette written in 1851 (one by Maximin Giraud and one by Melanie Mathieu), the secrets contain the word "Pope"("Pape") a total of three times:

1. "Then, after [that], our Holy Father the Pope will be persecuted." ("Puis, après [cela], notre Saint-Père le pape sera persecuté.")
2. "The pope will be persecuted from all sides" ("Le pape sera persecuté de toutes parts")
3. "I pray to Our Holy Father the Pope to give me his holy blessing." ("Je prie Notre Saint Père le Pape de me donner sa sainte bénédiction.")



So when the Mother Mary wishes to speak of the Pope, she stated clearly the word Pope(Pape)

HOWEVER, in the translation of these secrets we find the world "pontiff" used once.



As it happens to be, despite the perception, the word "Pontiff" is not the same as the word Pope. A Pope is a Pope but a pontiff refers to a Bishop as well as a Pope:

[link to www.catholicreference.net]
"pontiff - High priest, and therefore any bishop, as successor of the Apostles. Now reserved as the title of the Pope."

[link to www.thefreedictionary.com]
"pon·tiff
a. The pope.
b. A bishop."


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"Pontiff - The term "pontiff" was later applied to any high or chief priest and, in Christian ecclesiastical usage, to a bishop and more particularly to the Bishop of Rome, the Pope or 'Roman Pontiff'"




Therefore, the La Salette prophecy actually states two possible messages here:

1. "our Holy Father the Pope will be persecuted. His successor will be a POPE(pontiff) that nobody expects."

2. -OR- "His successor will be a BISHOP that nobody expects."


What is really amazing is that when pretty much everybody is thinking in terms of that successor Pope from these prophecies as being precisely a future "Pope" at the time of the initial fulfillment, Our lady of Fatima gives a vision to three uneducated children about not a Pope but instead of a "Bishop dressed in white".


Everyone, INCLUDING MYSELF, jumped to the obvious assumption that the "Bishop" wasn't really a Bishop in the vision. Yet it seems that a Bishop in a prophecy can indeed be a Bishop.


Whether his prophecy was true or not, I owe this perceptual shift regarding the "pontiff that nobody expects", on the words by "Duke Puntalangit." It took me about 22 months from reading his alleged "prophecy"(which was: "A bishop he shall be when crowned and shall ascend, an ordinary coming from the bottom")...I repeat 22 months of knowing and thinking about Duke's prophecy....until I actually checked the meaning of the word pontiff and realized the La Salette secret could actually refer to a prophecy about a Bishop. An interpretation astonishingly bolstered by the vision of Fatima.


Why is this future Pope only a "Bishop" at the time?

It would probably be due to the sequence of events starting with the First Pope being ousted from Rome, followed by the persecution that has a stranglehold over most of the Cardinals of the Church (consider imprisonment, death, and schism involving the Cardinals)(Bishop against Bishop, Cardinal against Cardinal). And when this first persecuted Pope dies, the underground true Church finds it impossible for a Pope to be canonically elected.


After the physical fleeing of the first Pope from Vatican City as a result of the soldiers/rebellion/governments the secular world/Italian government/Russians/or less likely the Muslims or some combination of them, shall install their own illegitimate modern anti-Pope inside the Vatican walls.

After Pope Francis(if indeed it is he) was exiled and the Vatican is conquered by force, and immediately after Pope Francis died....if it was impossible for a new Pope to be elected because of the persecution, would the Catholic Church remain without a head?


I indeed accept some of the prophecies that speak of anti-Popes and of a "bad priest" that inflicts great damage upon the Church regarding this entire period.


If Pope Benedict XVI did not remove himself from the picture and let someone else take his place legitimately, perhaps due to prophetic considerations regarding his successor, it could have been that God might have raised soon by miraculous means in front of the whole world some person or several to be Bishops (not a Pope), that Pope Benedect XVI himself would have made that person a Bishop after the events transpired and that this Bishop would have been very obedient to Pope Benedict XVI. Pope Benedict XVI did not stick around to wait for that possible outcome.


On the flip side I was brutally aware of a prophecy that made it extremely difficult to discern whether such a Bishop that rises up to the Popes feet is a Fatima Bishop or whether such a person would have been a critical tool of Satan.

...I was absolutely and acutely aware of both possible realities.


Personally, I believe this obscure interpretation of a future "Bishop in white" is the correct interpretation.

Also I believe the following prophecy about the Bishop of Rome taking a second name refers to the "Bishop" in the Fatima Secret receiving his papal name as the 2nd name.

from Monaco Basilio of Kronstadt (St Petersburg, 1700): "When the bishop of Rome will take two names an empire will be about to collapse: one of blasphemy. But it would be folly to exult with joy, because it is not the end but the beginning of sorrows." ("Quando il vescovo di Roma assumerà due nomi un impero sarà prossimo a crollare: quello della bestemmia. Ma sarebbe follia esultare di gioia, perché non sarà la fine ma l'inizio dei dolori")


In the marrow of my bones, I sense that his second name will be the name Pope Fatima. A name that serves as a divine function that glorifies Our Lady of Fatima and all her warnings to the world.
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Hi,

Two seers are hearing Pope Francis is the "Bishop dressed
in white." Pray for the Holy Father!! If they are true,
God is going to bring a great GOOD out something very evil.

Thread: it has been partially released, (3rd Secret) but at this instant when it is about the fulfillment of the same


p.s. hello wildhoney rose, Mary
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Day 3.

I'm not quite sure what to think of my experiences and observations. I will focus on some of it on a different day, probably just enough to prove I was speaking the truth.

For now, let's just call the following some kind of extremely bizarre speculation that evolved out of everything that came my way.


CRAZY SPECULATION:

That the forerunner of the antichrist.....nothing less than a Russian version of Hitler would rise to power by the most sudden, criminal, and terrifying manner.


I guess the first moment I started to recognize this as a possibility was when I dreamed myself saying to some Russian lady at a soccer game that the men, woman, and children of Russia would believe his ascent to power was from God. Before that dream, I was thinking nothing of the sort. Half a year after that I still wasn't sure how such would be possible.

Eventually the idea made sense to me.

speculation continued...
One day, God would send forth an unknown messenger with a very specific and detailed prophecy. The message would be whispered in the wrong place at the wrong time, making it's way silently across the lands and around the world, making it's way to the ear of a Russian politician carrying the same disgusting mentality as Adolf Hitler. This Russian politician would cast aside the message at first, maybe for many years perhaps even passing the story along to a son or grandson politician of equal wretchedness. At the moment it becomes clear of its authenticity, he or his grandson weaves the secret information into a tale of grandeur, telling the people that the Lord spoke to him giving him this great message to prove he is the one chosen to rebuild the Russian empire to its never-ending glory. He takes hold of the Russian media and proclaims throughout Russia what God told him is imminently about to happen. Than it arrives, and all of Russia is dazed, dazzled and amazed by this Russian plagiarist that stole from God. The woman, men and children of Russia, bear witness to the fulfillment as the whole world shakes with terror and believe the hand of God lifted him up. They follow him and become one with him as he takes power overnight by force(coup) or gains power through legitimate means. The Russian Hitler when it becomes clear to him what he is about to do, and clear to him that he can't afford to leave witnesses to his great lie, sends assassins in attempt to kill the original much lesser known messenger(s?) that he plagiarized from, that he stole from, so that only he would possess the prophecy fully. If the original messengers were protected, they would have survived the attack. And they do survive in order to condemn the Russian Hitler's crime against heaven.



This bizarre speculation reminded me somewhat of something Pope John Paul II stated at Fulda Germany, that he didn't wish to publish the 3rd Secret because it may cause the world power of Communism(Russia) to make certain moves. The "moves" he was speaking about are clearly not the same, but some thought the Third Secret contained such detailed instructions that would allow the communists Russia to utterly exploit the weakness of the western world if they found out the text of the secret.


Such a bizarre situation would also somewhat allude to to the following passage, albeit with different persons symbolized:
Revelation 12:4 - "The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born."

Rev 12:4 speaks about the devil preparing to destroy what God sends, at the first moment it appears. In this case the Russian Hitler waiting to steal and destroy God's prophecy and message the first moment it manifests in fulfillment.


Like I originally stated, I believed the Russian Hitler would rise to power by the most sudden, criminal, and terrifying manner. Still possible. But really this is purely most extreme speculation. The more insane the speculation the less likely the person to get it right. And this post here is definitely contains some of the most extreme speculation regarding Fatima prophecy, that you'll read.
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Day 4.


Since I am definitely free from a fate as to the information is this post, I can finally get it off my chest:

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Did you suspect I had developed a delusion of grandeur.....?

Was I in was in fear of actually becoming.....


the next Pope?

and in fear of suffering unbridled hatred from every part of the world in consequence?



Well, my mothers name, spoken in her native tongue is the equivalent to the name "Petrus"

and my Father's name, spoken in his birth country, is the equivalent to the name "Romanus"


Strange but absolutely completely true.


And that was just one of many reasons for such a "delusion of grandeur".

If you suspected I believed such a thing, Now you know.


name translation website:
[link to www.behindthename.com]
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The OP has my permission (not that she needs it) to delete all my posts from the last several pages at a time of her choosing.


I feel I am being more harmful than helpful, so I will bring this to completion today.

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A prophecy of not one but two different days of light is what seems to be foretold. I'm guessing the first one happens early on, and the second day of light is the great warning of Garabandal that happens when things are at their worst for the Catholic Church:


Marie Julie Jahanny: "Quando vedrete apparire l'aurora boreale, sappiate che sarà il segno di una prossima guerra. Quando la luce sarà di nuovo visibile, allora la mia Madre si terrà in piedi, dinanzi al sole che tramonta, per avvertire i buoni che il tempo è giunto. I cattivi vedranno uno spaventoso animale, e grideranno terrorizzati e disperati: ma sarà troppo tardi. Io salverò molte, molte anime (per l'altra vita).

English translation: "When you will see appear the aurora borealis(sent directly from God, different than all others), know it will be the sign of the next war. When the light will become newly visible (that's a second appearance of the glowing sky) then my mother shall be raised up standing before the sun sets, to warn the good people that the time has come. The wicked will see a dreadful animal/beast and cry terrified in desperation."

Technically the great "aurora borealis" type illumination could be the one that Sister Lucia spoke about in 1938.


Elena Aiello's prophecy from the 1950's: "Quando nel cielo apparirà un segno straordinario, sappiano gli uomini che prossima sarà la punizione del mondo!"(Jan 7, 1950)

English translation: "When in the sky appears an extraordinary sign, know it (gentlemen)men that next will (come) the punishment of the world!"


I was led to the very obscure prophet named Edith(e) Royer and a few of her prophecies:

She foretold of a bright light, of some person that would rise up AFTER THAT LIGHT giving the Pope a gift basket, and because of that person (scandal or something else) a great upset would rock the entire ordinance of the scene, followed by an even greater manifestation of the LIGHT from God.

From here:
[link to yannickcharbonnelreligion.blogspot.ca]
"(Madame Royer naquit le 14 juin 1841)..."Au sommet de gradins s’élevant en forme de pyramide était assis le Souverain Pontife sous les traits d’un vieillard vêtu de blanc portant un sceptre. De chaque côté, des ecclésiastiques en différents costumes, garnissant les degrés. Ceux qui portaient les vêtements les plus simples et avaient les mains vides étaient les préférés de Notre-Seigneur. Au milieu de ces gradins, dans une lumière éblouissante, un agneau reposait, couché sur une croix. Les rayons de cette lumière atteignaient les ecclésiastiques et les pénétraient dans la mesure où ils ressemblaient à cet agneau immaculé. Un homme, porteur d’une corbeille, gravit les degrés et offrit un présent au Souverain Pontife. Madame Royer sentait qu’il s’agissait d’une proposition perfide. Un grand désordre vint bouleverser toute l’ordonnance de cette scène. Puis reparut la grande lumière dont l’éclat n’illuminait plus seulement les gradins de l’estrade, comme auparavant, mais descendait beaucoup plus bas, où des multitudes allaient et venaient fort empressées à leurs affaires et occupées de leurs soucis, et pourtant s’arrêtaient frappées par la splendeur de cette lumière.»


English Translation: (Madam Royer was born on June 14, 1841)(in 1871 she saw in a vision): "At the top of the the bleachers shaped like a rising pyramid sat the Pope in the guise of an old man dressed in white holding a scepter. On each side were clergymen dressed in different costumes filling the levels of the bleachers. Those wearing the simplest clothing with empty hands were the favorite of Our Lord. In the midst of these steps rested a lamb lying on a cross in a blinding light. The RAYS OF LIGHT(Fatima warning?) reached the ecclesiastics and penetrated(influenced) each according to the extent they resembled the immaculate lamb. A man, bearing a basket/trash bin, scrambled up the levels, and offered a present to the Sovereign Pope. Madame Royer felt it regarded a treacherous proposal. (Consequently) a great disorder upset the entire ordinance of this scene. Then reappeared the great light whose light not only lit the bleachers of the "dais" as before, but (reached) down much more lower, where the multitudes were strenuously attending to their affairs and occupied with their worries and yet stopped struck by the splendor of the light."


The person in the vision that carries the basket/trashcan to the Pope may or may not be the same person foretold by a different prophet with the same last name Royer(named Jean Royer rather than Edith Royer).

Jean Royer foretold in the 18th century: "I see that when the Second Coming of Christ approaches, a bad priest will do much harm to the Church"

Jean Royer - "When the persecution against the Church has spread like a wild raging fire even to place where it was thought there was no danger then the Lord who knows how to draw glory out of everything will suddenly command the mighty stream and Satan to halt. Then will universal peace be proclaimed.”


John Bosco's dream: "It was a dark night, and men could no longer find their way back to their own countries. Suddenly a most brilliant light shone in the sky, illuminating their way as at high noon."
[link to www.franciscan-archive.org]
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The reason I strongly suspect we have just passed the point within the Prophecy that states:
"we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendor that Our Lady radiated"


Is because most of the information I had encountered, ended up converging into a focal point for this month. IF the suffering of Mary did not purchase a reprieve as I certainly believe it did, Obama would have died on March 9, 2013. The beginning of the economic crash would have been triggered by his death. The enemies of Israel would have attacked Israel on March 16, 3013, commencing a 13-day countdown that ended on March 29, 2013. And 13 weeks after March 16, to the day, the Russian Hitler would have become president (according to my understanding).

I know this, unless I'm deluded, because my 2011 dream of economic collapse for March 9th turned out to be a date that was six-hundred and sixty six days after the solar manifestation(sun-halo) at Fatima Portugal on May 13, 2011. (to find the original post of that dream Google the following: "and had a dream that pinpointed March 9th in relation to a future economic collapse")

(The other date within that dream is no longer important,)

Also the day that the Russian Hitler would have become president (precisely 13-weeks to the day after Israel was attacked) was also seven hundred and seventy seven days after the solar manifestation(sun-halo) at Fatima Portugal on May 13, 2011.


If you have followed my posts in the past you should know the prophecy I base such dates on.


March 16, 2013, the day Israel would have been attacked if God did not grant this final great reprieve from His wrath was 13-days before G.Fri (which is connected to the other signs (Holy Friday 2011 was 777 days after the stock market hit a low of 666, and I discovered that piece of information 777 days after the stock market fell 777 points.))



It seems to me that heaven also revealed another piece of the puzzle, that if God carried through with His great earthquake punishment this month that would happen after the death of Obama and after the attack of Israel, the illumination of the night skies would have happened on March 27 which was 777 days before a future May 13 Fatima anniversary. This piece of the puzzle was actually more integrated into prophecy than all the other things mentioned in this post. That's all I wish to say about that one piece of the puzzle.



Thus the big assassination, the day of Israel's attack, the day of the great earthquake, the day of the illumination, the day that the Russian Hitler would have been crowned, were all events attached to a divine puzzle manifested with 666's and 777's and the special Fatima dates -- In my opinion.

On the other hand you are free to condemn this type of information as something utterly rejected by heaven.


These dates ONLY apply to the punishment that would have arrived this month if Mary did not intervene. These dates are discarded from now on. As undoubtedly there is no way God will permit my sorry ass to get such dates right when ultimately the Mother of the Nations is no longer allowed to stand in the way of a King's Justice against her children. In any case, I no longer wish to pay attention or think about date-setting.


Yet the information all converged in order that someone could be able to recognize the moment the angel was about to strike the planet with God's fiery lightning sword only for the planet, the animals the young children of the world and everyone to be spared at the last moment from the hunger, sexual violence, death, and destruction that would have ensued. Thereby highlighting once again the plan of divine intervention that consists of suffering for the sake of other poor souls, exemplified by the death of Christ Jesus and by a Mother of all humanity that jumps in front of a bus to push her child out of the way in a self-sacrifice that allows her precious son or daughter more time on this earth.


On March 9th, Obama would have fell (I'm not sure that he would have been revived and viewed as the Antichrist or not). The political uncertainty in reaction to the news of his death would have dealt a powerful but NON lethal blow to the global markets. The war in the middle east a week latter would have put further strain on the markets, and finally the great global earthquake 13 days latter, would have handed the global economy the final death blow.


The March 9th date does not conflict with my other dream that mentioned the number 6 in relation to the assassination of the one mentioned by Puntalangit, as Duke very well knows from the email I sent him in April or May 2011. In that email I revealed to him the entire dream including the end of the dream in which my entire field of vision was swaying left and right as if attempting to flip over, so the number 6 was actually an upside down number 9, which I only understood after May 23, 2012. Therefore both dreams alluded to the same date.

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Many prophecies are saying that Pope Francis I could possibly be the false Pope, the one that is coerced by the Anti christ...

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If there is one prophecy that I can support because of a personal sign, it pertains to the following.

Canon Dispiney mentions a strange prophecy from Edith Royer:
"The Pope will be miserable(malheureux), the entire(toute) Church will be desolate(désolée) because of him. For him, for his deliverance, he will have to resort(recourir) to the Sacred Heart."

It could pertain to a future or present Pope.
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whichever comes first:


When God strikes the earth with a global earthquake the Pope will rush to reveal the Third Secret.

When the night of illumination happens, The Pope will hurry to publish the Third Secret.

At the start of world war 3 the Pope will release the Third Secret.

When the revolt against the Vatican happens, the Pope will act swiftly to reveal it.

At the start of the reign of the future Hitler shall the Secret be revealed.


whichever event arrives first shall quickly rearrange the priorities of the Pope.


Our Lady of Fatima made it known that they will not obey these particular requests until it's too late than they shall regret it.

If The Third Secret refers to a future Russian leader as a devil incarnate or something equally extreme about the Cardinals and Bishops, the Vatican will not risk publishing the intolerable words of the Third Secret until it becomes equally intolerable to keep it a secret anymore.
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Pope Francis is not a false prophet, nor is he an anti-Pope.


If anything, he might be a Pope that dies at the start of chastisement during the global earthquake sent by God. That would be an unpleasant turn of events that would turn many Catholics against such a divine manifestation.








I think I'm done with this thread now. I leave it to the OP to decide if it's better to remove my posts from her thread.
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Many prophecies are saying that Pope Francis I could possibly be the false Pope, the one that is coerced by the Anti christ...

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Not this one , don't think so
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Pope Francis is not a false prophet, nor is he an anti-Pope.


If anything, he might be a Pope that dies at the start of chastisement during the global earthquake sent by God. That would be an unpleasant turn of events that would turn many Catholics against such a divine manifestation.








I think I'm done with this thread now. I leave it to the OP to decide if it's better to remove my posts from her thread.
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Let me clarify, I only think Pope Francis would die from the global earthquake, if Pope Benedict XVI based his decision to resign because of the Essef prophecies and because of the information from this thread. If he resigned for the other believable reasons than I suspect Pope Francis is the Pope that suffers much.
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Pope Francis is the legitimate Pope I have no doubt. He could be a very holy man indeed. If he cleanses the inside of the cup and many are against him for it because he leaves the outside of the cup dirty, I believe he is still a good Pope that draws favor from heaven.

If he cleanses the outside of the cup but leaves the inside of the cup filthy he does not serve God.

If he makes the inside and outside of the cup pristine the world will hate him for it.


As far as I'm concerned, when it all truly begins, the persecution and the war. The Pope that is forced to flee from the soldiers is indeed the Pope mentioned by various prophecies that will have much to suffer. That's kind of obvious.

I'm also guessing that the Third Secret will be something the Russians and ENTIRE WORLD will loathe to hear, so much so that, the people will despise the Pope for announcing it accusing the Pope of a grand fabrication, of engaging in fear-mongering out of desperation, and of much worse conspiratorial things.

Thus the Pope that reveals the Third Secret, which could very well be Pope Francis, has a 98% chance of being the Pope mentioned by the various prophecies, the one that suffers much. Yet the issue is that Pope Benedict XVI remains and could possibly be the one that ends up revealing the Third Secret were Pope Francis to fall during that great day sent by God as mentioned by Sister Elena. With the Third Secret getting revealed soon after, and Pope Benedict XVI being chased out by the rebellion or soldiers before a new Pope is elected.

You can classify this as speculation.

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Wonderful news..wonderful signs

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A Prelude to the Consecration of Russia?





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BENEDICT, AND THE TRIUMPH

Pope Benedict prayed three years ago that God would “hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”2 He qualified this statement in an interview with Peter Seewald:I said the “triumph” will draw closer. This is equivalent in meaning to our praying for the coming of God’s Kingdom. This statement was not intended—I may be too rationalistic for that—to express any expectation on my part that there is going to be a huge turnaround and that history will suddenly take a totally different course. The point was rather that the power of evil is restrained again and again, that again and again the power of God himself is shown in the Mother’s power and keeps it alive. The Church is always called upon to do what God asked of Abraham, which is to see to it that there are enough righteous men to repress evil and destruction. I
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this is what you should know about Fatima


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I believe it is imperative that I provide some support for Pope Francis, prophetic-wise.

What I can ascertain is that the prophecies from Sister Aiello should absolutely be seen as support towards Saint John Bosco's dream revelations pertaining to the Pope.


This is Sister Aiello prophecy:
"A great revolution develops and the streets will be reddened with blood. The Pope will suffer greatly and all this suffering will be for him as an agony that will shorten his earthly pilgrimage. His successor WILL GUIDE THE SHIP IN THE STORM. But it will not delay the punishment of the wicked. That day will be scary in a manner most terrible: the earth/land will tremble and shake all of humanity."


(In Italian - "una grande rivoluzione e le vie saranno arrossate di sangue. Il Papa soffrirà molto e tutto questo soffrire sarà per lui come un'agonia che abbrevierà il suo pellegrinaggio terreno. Il suo Successore guiderà la nave nella tempesta. Ma non tarderà la punizione degli empi. Quel giorno sarà spaventoso, nel modo più terribile: la terra tremerà e scuoterà tutta l'umanità."


Although it is possible her prophecies are false, there is no doubt if Sister Aiello's prophecy are from heaven, her prophecy that speaks of the successor Pope "guiding the ship in the storm" directly affirms the validity of John Bosco's dream precisely about the Popes guiding the ship through the storm.



(A brief side note here: Pertaining to one of the dreams of Saint John Bosco. "19__" refers to 1917, indicating that the Victory comes through Our Lady of Fatima. The date contained in the Neues Europa article may even be due to the misinterpretation of the Fatima related Bosco dreams.)


Here is the prophetic dream of Saint John Bosco, which Sister Aiello's prophecy pertains to:
"The flagship commander - the Roman Pontiff - seeing the enemy's fury and his auxiliary ships very grave predicament, summons his captains...However, as they discuss their strategy, a furious storm breaks out and they must return to their ships...the storm rages again. Standing at the helm, the Pope strains every muscle to steer his ship between the two columns from whose summits hang many anchors and strong hooks linked to chains.

The entire enemy fleet closes in to intercept and sink the flagship at all costs. They bombard it with everything they have: books and pamphlets, incendiary bombs, firearms, cannons. The battle rages ever more furious. Beaked prows ram the flagship again and again, but to no avail, as, unscathed and undaunted, it keeps on its course. At times a formidable ram splinters a gaping hole into its hull, but, immediately, a breeze from the two columns instantly seals the gash.

Meanwhile, enemy cannons blow up, firearms and beaks fall to pieces, ships crack up and sink to the bottom. In blind fury the enemy takes to hand-to-hand combat, cursing and blaspheming. Suddenly the Pope falls, seriously wounded. He is instantly helped up but, struck down a second time, dies. A shout of victory rises from the enemy and wild rejoicing sweeps their ships. But no sooner is the Pope dead than another takes his place. The captains of the auxiliary ships elected him so quickly that the news of the Pope's death coincides with that of his successor's election. The enemy's self-assurance wanes.

Breaking through all resistance, the new Pope steers his ship safely between the two columns and moors it to the two columns; first to the one surmounted by the Host, and then to the other, topped by the statue of the Virgin. At this point something unexpected happens. The enemy ships panic and disperse, colliding with and scuttling each other. Some auxiliary ships which had gallantly fought alongside their flagship are the first to tie up at the two columns.

Many others, which had fearfully kept far away from the fight, stand still, cautiously waiting until the wrecked enemy ships vanish under the waves. Then, they too head for the two columns, tie up at the swinging hooks, and ride safe and tranquil beside their flagship. A great calm now covers the sea." (end of dream)




Here are some other E. Aiello messages from Mary regarding the Pope(s) during the chastisement period:

-"You must suffer for the Pope and Christ, and thus Christ will be safe on earth; and the Pope, with his redemptive word, will, in part, save the world."
-“My heart bleeds for Italy also, which will be safe only in part for the Pope! Oh!, what grief to see the representative of Christ on earth hated, persecuted, outraged!”
-“He, who is the Spiritual Father of the people, the defender of the Faith and of truth, whose face, radiant with light, shines upon the world, is greatly hated.”
-"A humble chief pastor guides the new peoples/nations: will be to everyone unknown/unfamiliar, but he shall be granted many graces and extraordinary gifts by the Holy Spirit and humanity will receive prosperity and peace. For my Immaculate Heart it will not be long before the triumph of the light over the power of darkness.") (original: "Un umile Pastore supremo guiderà i nuovi popoli: sarà a tutti sconosciuto, ma a Lui saranno concesse molte grazie e doni straordinari dallo SPIRITO SANTO e l'umanità avrà prosperità e pace. PER IL MIO CUORE IMMACOLATO NON TARDERÀ' POI IL TRIONFO DELLA LUCE SULLA POTENZA DELLE TENEBRE.")
-“He, who personifies Christ on earth, doing good for all, becomes thus outraged with impunity!”
-"The flock is about to be dispersed and the Pope must suffer greatly!’"
-"“Oh, what a horrible vision I see! A great revolution is going on in Rome! They are entering the Vatican. The Pope is all alone; he s praying. They are holding the Pope. They take him by force. They knock him down to the floor. They are tying him. Oh, God! Oh God! They are kicking him. What a horrible scene! How dreadful! Our Blessed Mother is drawing near. Like corpses those evil men fall down to the floor. Our Lady helps the Pope to his feet and, taking him by the arm, she covers him with her mantle saying: ‘Fear not!’ "



Another prophetic dream from Saint John Bosco regarding the Pope:

-"It was a dark night, and men could no longer find their way back to their countries. Suddenly a most brilliant light shone in the sky, illuminating their way as at high noon. At that moment from the Vatican came forth, as in procession, a multitude of men and women, young children, monks, nuns, and priests, and at the head was the pope. But a furious storm then broke out, somewhat dimming that light, as if light and darkness were locked in battle ...The ranks of the procession thinned considerably. After a two-hundred-day march, all realized that they were no longer in Rome. In dismay they swarmed about the Pontiff to protect him and minister to him in his needs. At that moment two angels appeared, bearing a banner which they presented to the Supreme Pontiff, saying: "Take the banner of her who battles and routs the most powerful armies on earth. Your enemies have vanished; with tears and sighs your children plead for your return." One side of the banner bore the inscription: 'Queen conceived without sin' and the other side read: 'Help of Christians.' The Pontiff accepted the banner gladly, but he became very distressed to see how few were his followers. But the two angels went on: 'Go now, comfort your children. Write to your brothers scattered throughout the world that men must reform their lives. This cannot be achieved unless the bread of the Divine Word is broken among the peoples. Teach children their catechism and preach detachment from earthly things. The time has come,' the two angels concluded, 'when the poor will evangelize the world. Priests shall be sought among those who wield the hoe, the spade, and the hammer, as David prophesied: 'He raises up the lowly from the dust; from the dunghill he lifts up the poor. To seat them with princes, with the princes of his own people'. On hearing this, the Pontiff moved on, and the ranks began to swell. Upon reaching the Holy City, the Pontiff wept at the sight of its desolate citizens, for many of them were no longer. He then entered Saint Peter's and intoned the Te Deum, to which a chorus of angels responded, singing: 'Glory to God in the highest, and peace on earth to men of good will.' When the song was over, all darkness vanished and a blazing sun shone."
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A few things to note about the Bosco dream.
1. When the angels appear to the Pope, it is a moment in which the Pope has a shockingly low number of followers: "he became very distressed to see how few were his followers."
2. That prophetic dream is clearly connected to Fatima ("It was a dark night...Suddenly a most brilliant light shone in the sky, illuminating their way as at high noon.")
3. Once the first seven month march away from the Vatican is over, the second march back to Rome does NOT immediately follow. (probably takes place years latter.)
5. when this brilliant illumination happens, from the hand of God, it will not go well for the Pope. (ie: The world/including most Catholics will revolt against these signs from God and against the Pope. (Sister Aiello's prophecy - "My heart of Mother, and mediatrix of men, close to the mercy of God, invites, with many MANIFESTATIONS and many SIGNS, the people to penance and to pardon. But they respond with a STORM OF HATE, blasphemies and sacrilegious profanations, as if blinded by an INFERNAL RAGE.")
It takes a mere 7 months after the illumination that the Pope has so few followers as if being totally abandoned?!?



Prophecy of Monaco Basilio of Kronstadt (St Petersburg, 1700):
"To the patriarchs: The bishop of Rome that bathes the earth with his blood, Heaven will entrust the task of bringing the church back to its origins"



Premol(1783) -
-"“And a voice fell from the heavens: 'Here are those whom I have chosen'(Great Monarch and the Holy Pope) he placed his hand in the Pontiff's hand...."
-"And that is not all, O Lord; your Church is rent asunder by her own children!"
-"One camp is faithful to the fleeing Pontiff, the other is subject to the new government of Rome which has broken the Tiara. But Almighty God will, in His mercy, put an end to this confusion and a new age will begin."


My understanding of the possible prophecy "apostasy from the top," probably pertains to the Bishops and Cardinals. The revealing of the Secret could clear that issue up quickly.

Even if the Third Secret mentions an evil Pope, La Salette suggests it is speaking about the Antichrist (and logically False prophet tandem) that arrive after the great peace. The moment the words of the Third Secret are revealed, the answer is known.


One prophecy from J.Royer(18th or 19th century) speaks of a bad priest that inflicts major damage to the Church. Another I posted previously by Edith Royer mentions a man carrying a gift-basket/trashcan up to the Pope in which the consequence is a disturbance of the entire ordinance of the scene around the time of the illumination(I think it happens prior to the great illumination but after some miracle is granted by God to the Pope.) John Bosco speaks of the great storm/darkness against the Church (that comes out of the crisis) which becomes a furious battle between light and dark after the illumination, the battle possible starting before it. La Salette refers to this crisis period as "grand troubles arriving" in the Church and everywhere just before they come armed with their rage against the Pope. Akita indicates some of the consequences: Bishops against Bishops, Cardinals against Cardinals. In context of the anger directed against the Church, Sister Aiello mentions a great "revolution" and streets running red with blood" which possibly refer to the mood triggered by the crisis. When the Pope is forced to flee over the corpses of his Bishops and leave Rome, the government of Rome will install a new Pope that will embody the teachings they desire, the anti-Gospel. This false Pope that will meet the approval of the rest of the world, will stand in opposition to the important teachings of Christ, thus will he lead souls to hell. He will provide a stark contrast to the suffering Pope.

I have no plans to post further. Please don't abandon your prayers.
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You think Jesuits are hated now?

Witness the Jesuit Pope despised for enacting the "end of the world" agenda.

The Jesuit identity is an unbelievable magnet for hate . . to a Pope that experiences the fulfillment of such prophecies mentioned here.
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