more about the Fatima apparitions..

Thats what I thought after the dream. I prefer it but hadnt given it any further though. But after the dream ..I have quite a bit

It has drawn me to return- again and again and again and again .... even several times a week
and to adoration.

please let me know what church you visit- I would love to look it up on a map : ) God Bless you in your journey

No, it was a warning about the "pope" and high Catholic hierarchy. They are Satanic, which is why they promote the biblical burning bush fire god.

Our Lady worked a miracle before 70,000 people to prove that She is God.

[link to www.fatimamovement.com]

You need to read Avro Manhattan's books!!

My Church is within..

But I go to differentt churches..I dont have a fixed parish..

I prefer to pray on my own....
I prefer the latin mass though..new for me but I prefer it

Yes Wildhoney, the church within is where I remain

But the draw to the latin mass this year has given me nourishment

Me too..its murder on the knees though lol..but I offer it..I had a sports injury..and it hurts..lol..

I love the Traditional Mass...

I am surprised really..because it is new to me

But I do

Bump for 1/13/13.


During the first apparition (May 13/1917), Mary foretold that she would return yet a "7th time."

it is uncertain whether the seventh apparition happened already or pertains to a future public appearance to the apparition site.

You can google the relevant key words to find some discussion about the "seventh time."








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For the record I only posted one sentence on GLP between November 15 and today. One or two Canadians (troublemakers) that posted some similar words, were someone else entirely (one may be the fatimamovement guy). NOR am I the guy named "Fantom" on another site.
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If there is anything I learned in the last five months with the spiritual ups and downs, is that when I fall down and succumb to the drives of the flesh because of weakness, doubt, lack of effort/willpower/attention, or lack of minding God's will.....I should NOT suddenly stop praying.

I'm sorry but I'm a wretched failure that can't keep himself planted firmly on God's path. Always falling back on my ass.

Before that, from 1994 through mid 2012, when I fell into the trap of sin, guilt followed my failures as sure as night follows day, and I almost always STOPPED praying immediately afterwards as a result of the guilt(distance created) from that day until the next time I made a fully determined effort towards changing myself spiritually (sometimes my periods of having abandoned God lasted for many months to multiple years between the efforts).

What I have come to realize quite recently, is that it is significantly better...spiritually and emotionally...if I continue offering daily prayer in the morning and evening instead of "QUITTING GOD ALTOGETHER" and stop praying after falling.

I would say, for myself, it's become or is becoming essential to continue to say the Lord's prayer 21 to 30 times as soon as I wake up. Start the day conversing with God. In the evening, another 21 to 30 prayers, while adding a third prayer session when I feel the need. It might be equivalent in minutes to saying a minimum of 30 Hail Mary's each time.

I've noticed that saying the Lord's prayer only 10 times is not enough to make a difference within my perception (some kind of feeling).

Perhaps those that pray the Rosary think even the above amount is not enough prayer time. I won't say I disagree.
It's better to start off with an amount that doesn't feel overwhelming and progress from there.

Sometimes it's good to completely abandon oneself in prayer and lose track of time and numbers.

This may not be a great prayer habit, but often I pray when walking around, when eating, or when watching television. I state this to reduce the hurdles of wanting to start praying.

Prayer alone doesn't significantly impact other negative habits such as arrogant behavior, road rage, etc. Each habit can be worked on separately for self improvement.

I've seen it written on an apparitions forum that one of the posters felt joy(or happiness) when fasting. From my fasting experience (which is probably a lot less than that particular poster's fasting experiences) fasting alone provides unpleasant sensations....however when much praying is done at the same time as the fast, sometimes it does actually feel interestingly pleasant...so I know what he is saying is true.

Friendly advice perhaps to those slightly depressed more than to others: Start off the day with God and pray not just 10 times but 20 or 25 times. Repeat again in the evening. Repeat when starting to feel blue. God Bless!



Phantomfire707.

Sorry, I'm not one of those people that has the gift of gab.

If you Grow up being the shy-ist kid on the block,you might not develop great communication, vocabulary and writing skills, as you avoid many conversations as a youth. Quick witted I am not.

I never enjoyed talking to audiences. Even skipped presentations in high school and college.

Nor do I wish to speak to crowds in the future.

The only consolation in that, is that Moses had a similar affliction: EXODUS 4:10 - " Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”

The Time has come to state something outright about the Fatima Prophecies.



The non-verbal portion of the third secret begins with a vision in which God's judgement(depicted by an "angel with a flaming sword" that "would set the world on fire"), IS PREVENTED FROM REACHING THE WORLD and PREVENTED FROM SETTING THE WORLD ON FIRE, through the DIRECT INTERCESSION of Our Lady.

According to the third secret, She INTERCEDES HUGELY at least in one decisive moment of history!!!



As far as I can see, from the developments that have caught my attention, the stage is almost completely set, for God's justice to fall upon mankind and ignite the economic and political fields with the most frightening of consequences. Requiring only the final steps of fetching a match, lighting and tossing it upon the political/economic fields of the nations. Look at what Israel's enemies are saying.


HOWEVER....will OUR LADY OF FATIMA catch the fiery match at the last moment????

THAT IS THE BIG YET TO BE ANSWERED QUESTION.



This is the 13th year of this century. I am mostly convinced it is the big year Heaven has prepared for God's punishment to come to the verge of exploding upon this world from end to end.


The first possibility for this year, is the greatest INTERCESSION BY HEAVENLY FORCES IN CENTURIES since Christ died on the cross...happens...

with Our Lady intervening as the third secret CLEARLY depicts at the beginning of the third secret.

-OR-

it is the year that God commands, once and for all, His punishment to fall(suddenly and violently) upon the entire world as indicated precisely in the Fatima Prophecies. With Our Lady no longer having the permission to intervene against God's judgement.



In the greatest apparition in nineteen centuries, Heaven choose to appear to the children on the 13th, the 13th, the 13th, the 13th, and the 13th.

I am not aware of any other apparition that focused all it's appearances on a particular date before (be it the 15th or 31st or any other particular number), so the heavenly choice does have a sense of divine meaning to it.


So certainly, I am convinced the appearance repeatedly on the 13th has great prophetic relevance. In that case, the interpretation most likely to be correct and embraced in hindsight: is that Our Lady choose the calendar date of "13" because of heaven's plan to punish the world on the subsequent 13th year to occur(2013)....OR....

OR it was choosen because it is the big year that God's wrath comes within a millimeter(much smaller than an INCH for those that use other measurement units) of shattering the global sense of comfort and safety in the lives of all people living without mind of God...BUT FAILS AT THE LAST MOMENT TO ARRIVE BECAUSE OF THE GRAND INTERCESSION OF THE MOTHER OF ALL PEOPLE. A year when the world came within a milimeter of the most upsetting of developments effecting all life everywhere on the planet.... BUT FAILS AT THE LAST MOMENT TO ARRIVE BECAUSE OF THE GRAND INTERCESSION OF THE MOTHER OF ALL PEOPLE.

Thus it is also very possible that Mary came on the 13th because of the relevance to heaven of the power of Our Lady's INTERCESSION due to her self sacrifice NON-STOP SUFFERING(see La Salette) and LOVE.

When the torture and severe hunger arrives, the followers of prophecy that can't wait for events to arrive will long for the days of boredom and relative comfort before Mary's power to intervene came to an end.


God's plan of Christ's crucifixion, of living the Gospel, of prayer and penance, is all about salvation for oneself AND ASSITING IN THE PLAN TO SAVE OTHERS from hell itself and from hell on earth. So it is very fitting that God permits a great intervention as revealed in the third secret for some major point in history. I just don't know for sure if this great intervention is for the 13th year of this century or not. The intervention could also pertain to the great but relatively short period of peace foretold or it could pertain to some other moment in history.

Fatima is all about the number 13. This is the first 13th year of a century since the events happened at Fatima.

(Third Secret of Fatima, 2000 release): "we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated"

One way or the other, we are at the biggest fork in the road for all of humanity.

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From Malachi Martin's book "The Keys of this Blood":
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PAGE 634 - "If there was one dominant element in that 'Third Secret,' it was Russia. The provisos of the 'Third Secret' made sense only in relation to Russia....The geopolitical change implied by the "Third Secret" was not far off. RUSSIA WAS ITS WOMB. Russia was it's focal point. Russia was to be the main agent of change."


PAGE 631 - ""Russia, according to the text of the 'Third Secret,' was the regulator of the timetable."


PAGE 630 - 631 "Lucia's single-page written formulation of the "Third Secret" covers three main topics. (i) A physical chastisement of the nations, involving catastrophes, man made or natural, on land, on water and in the atmosphere of the globe. (ii) A spiritual chastisement, far more frightening and distressing--especially for Roman Catholics--than physical hardship, since it would consist of the disappearance of religious belief(and persecution)...(iii) A central function of Russia in the two preceding series of events. In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to Lucia's letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet."



There is a good enough chance that Malachi Martin's insight about Russia will be proven correct soon enough.

Whatever happens or doesn't happen on the global scene, the answers if desired, are expected much sooner than much latter relative to the current year.

Nostradamus did say, “The great earthquake shall be in the month of May.” Just saying is all….

I believe we shall all be under Martial Law before May. Ninty percent of the world's population shall not see another July.

You have an excellent chance of being right about that.




Nope. The great events that come suddenly and begin it all, are not so much related to mass death(ie:nuclear winter), but related to terrible "changes" that start and aggravate wars, religious persecution, and all the other awful unpleasantries.

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Give my interpretation about Russia and the Fatima Secrets(2nd, and 3rd) a short number of months. If I am the one mistaken, after a few months I will give greater credence to other interpretations.

Fatima is rubbish.. Away with such popish puppetry! Do not become a marionette! Away with foolishness and papal pagentry!

Signs and wonders, visions and miracles, are pretended; by these the papal kingdom was first set up, and has all along been kept up, but they have false signs to support false doctrines; and lying wonders, or only pretended miracles that have served their cause, things false in fact, or fraudulently managed, to impose upon the people: and the diabolical deceits with which the antichristian state has been supported are notorious.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

6. We have the sin and ruin of the subjects of antichrist's kingdom declared, 2Th_2:11, 2Th_2:12. (1.) Their sin is this: They believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness: they did not love the truth, and therefore they did not believe it; and, because they did not believe the truth, therefore they had pleasure in unrighteousness, or in wicked actions, and were pleased with false notions. Note, An erroneous mind and vicious life often go together and help forward one another. (2.) Their ruin is thus expressed: God shall send them strong delusions, to believe a lie. Thus he will punish men for their unbelief, and for their dislike of the truth and love to sin and wickedness; not that God is the author of sin, but in righteousness he sometimes withdraws his grace from such sinners as are here mentioned; he gives them over to Satan, or leaves them to be deluded by his instruments; he gives them up to their own hearts' lusts, and leaves them to themselves, and then sin will follow of course, yea, the worst of wickedness, that shall end at last in eternal damnation. God is just when he inflicts spiritual judgments here, and eternal punishments hereafter, upon those who have no love to the truths of the gospel, who will not believe them, nor live suitably to them, but indulge false doctrines in their minds, and wicked practices in their lives and conversations.

Practically the whole world despises the divine truth. God will use Fatima to conceal his truth, thus every truth from Fatima will be despised and fully condemned by the world, when the events begin. I sense this more than most. You think Catholics will rally around Fatima? Wrong-o, in fact it will be the exact opposite. Fatima will be a curse on the popularity of any who greatly support it. You will be made to feel shame and embarrassment to support it, if my understanding is correct. You will be seen as the enemy of mankind if you support Fatima, Perhaps I am delusional and very mistaken about many things. :() But if my understanding is correct, that is exactly how it will be. A few months and you can declare I am indeed mistaken or you will see the truth manifest itself quickly.

By this means, through Fatima, shall the divine ways revealed in Matthew 23:29-35 against all the religious people that despise the simple divine truth shall be made manifest for this generation: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar."



Watch as the flock runs away from Fatima at great speed, inventing every fabrication and finding refuge in every excuse against everything heaven manifests from Our Lady of Fatima.

For this reason I have come to NOT want the Fatima prophecies to come true at this time. I am not at all looking forward to being hated and pursued to the extreme, therefore I have come to loathe the possibility of these events happening, preferring instead that it skips over our heads.

The message of the Bible is that the people reject God's revealed path. It also states (Isaiah 29:13-14) "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips,but their hearts are far from me....Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.”

Considering the perishing of wisdom and intelligence on spiritual matters....If almost the whole future world rejects Fatima, when the time comes, what does it reveal about the biblical warning of "strong delusion"? Some kind of double-reverse delusion, I think, that ensnares the world into folly at every turn.

Revelations makes clear that the world embraces Antichrist and the cohorts of Antichrist, and the world celebrates the death of the two witnesses that will have every divine power at their disposal (they are 30 to 80 years away from arriving). What do you suppose the world will say about the two witnesses (that do not arrive for many years still ) ?...the world will obviously say that the Antichrist is the true messiah and they will say the two witnesses are empowered by satan. SO MUCH FOR THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD of people that refuse at every opportunity to embrace the teachings of Christ. I am a big failure, so you do not need to listen to my words, nevertheless these words are probably very true.

Posted 3 rd.november 2012

Bisogna pregare per il Santo Padre e per i Cardenali nella loro prossima scelta di successore,
Grazie

...Time of the Angels....

:-) :hf:

In 1960, Paul John XXIII opened the sealed prophecy and read it, and the faithful anxiously awaited its promised revelation. But it was not to be. In apparent defiance of the Blessed Mother's instructions, the Pope refused to reveal the contents of the prophecy saying, "This prophecy does not relate to my time." According to Kathleen A. Keating, however, author of The Final Warning: Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium, "John XXIII fainted when he read the third secret because it specifically states, according to eyewitnesses, that the Pope would betray the flock and turn his sheep over to the slaughter devised by Lucifer himself. John XXIII fainted because he thought he would be the Pope who would open the door to Satan and that he would be the long awaited antipope."

On May 13 1967 we all saw her on television – and with what anguish – weeping after her meeting with Paul VI… "It was a moving moment… Pressed on all sides, Lucy asked the Holy Father whether she might speak to him for a moment in secret. He refused her this grace in icy terms. Under the television lens and a hundred snapping cameras, before the eyes of all, she wept. She did not weep for herself, but for us, and – let us be quite certain about this – Heaven wept alongside the rejected confidant of the Virgin Mary as she was ushered away." (Letters to my friends, no. 246, 13 May 1967, p.3)

Cardinal Mario Ciappi, the Papal Theologian, said in 1995, "In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top." Father Alonso, a Fátima historian said that the Third Secret refers to the guilt of a number of Priests, Bishops and Cardinals for the state of apostasy within the Church today. Prior to Father Alonso’s published statements, Sister Lucy had been called upon to refute false theories about the Third Secret and she did. But, Sister Lucy to this day has never denied, or attacked, or tried to correct in any way, Father Alonso’s analysis of the Third Secret.

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]

In his book (which drew on many of Father Alonso's works), Frère Michel reports that, when questioned about the Secret, Sister Lucy said: "It’s in the Gospel and in the Apocalypse, read them!" He notes that she then particularly indicated Chapters VIII through XIII of the Apocalypse (Chapter XIII specifically concerns the rise of the Antichrist). In his study of the Third Secret, Frère Michel builds a powerful and compelling case that the Third Secret is a grave warning of apostasy within the Catholic Faith and a serious indictment of those in the Church hierarchy who have promoted dissent and outright heresy.

Following is a part of the Third Secret released by the Vatican. The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.




It's like a puzzle.

Once again, another Canadian posting a provocative Fatima thread the other day, was not me.


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Despite Pope Benedict XVI's announced resignation, I still think it is highly possible that Mary and the angels shall intercede at the last moment, to prevent the wrath of God from exploding upon this world.

I really don't think the Pope has the power (through his resignation and hastening of the next (or last) Pope) to interfere with Heaven's plans, whether the decision by heaven is to unleash God's judgement upon mankind in the near future, or whether the decision of heaven is to permit the Mother of Christ and the Angels to stay the almighty hand of God this year.

Truly the decision is God's alone, not the Pope's.

It's a strange situation this resignation, that does not bring long-term alignment between the various prophecies and fulfillment.

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It seems at the moment, I'll post my answers/evidence, shortly after the next Pope is chosen. Especially if I discern the moment of judgement is not to happen this time. That post will not be discouraging like the last time I went through the same situation.

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Most important words spoken to the children of Fatima:
***"Make of everything you can a sacrifice and offer it to God as an act of reparation for the sins by which He is offended"--The Angel of Peace, 1917***


"we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him"--Third Secret.


phantomfire707



ps: What if--according to prophecy--Pope Benedict XVI was supposed to be the Pope that ends up passing away in exile?

My interpretation of the lightening strike to hit St. Peter's Basilica, is...................that it was unquestionably not God's will that Pope Benedict XVI resign at this time.

I wonder that the lightening strike greatly reduces the possibility of the essef version of things being proven true next month.

However, because of the great confusion that may rise out of the above issues, it does give me a powerful sense that the chastisement will come soon. The greater the divine act, the greater the confusion caused by the other side to obscure the truth.



For the announced resignation of the Pope and the La Salette prophecy to align better, I believe at minimum one of the following must take place:


1. the next pope gives the keys of the petrine office back to Pope Benedict XVI, thus assuming the role of Pope only after Benedict's death. Probably only petrus romanus would be willing to do such a thing. (in this case, I'm certain, the beginning of chastisement would certainly be here or near)


2. if the expected events begin before the Pope officially resigns, the Pope may see wisdom in reversing his decision (it won't be popular with many and it will certainly make him a weaker Pope for it, but it might be God's will that he remains, so that he can release and defend the 3rd Secret as Pope. (it is far better that he admit the truth about the third secret, than to force the mess upon his successor.)


3. the big events do not happen this time, instead comes the reprieve, followed at a latter period, by God's direct intervention and the persecution.


4. If it's against God's will for the Pope to resign at this time and perhaps (i'm speculating) against God's will to possibly, potentially perhaps maybe attempt to hasten the the divine schedule for the next Pope.....the misguided act possibly creates intolerable conditions that the true prophecies can only be fulfilled by a path of much greater confusion that will be unpalatable to most. If nothing miraculous happens on behalf of the election of a Pope, YET if the great events arrive around that time, than what? The answer is great confusion. (petrus romanus here or not?) anti-pope in or out? I am well aware of both prophecies of the final good pope and of the anti-popes...it is truly an issue that I'm concerned about.

5. not something I believe is true regarding the picture, but a possibility nonetheless: a natural disaster prevents the election of the next Pope.

6. ?????


phantomfire707

that's "big" picture.

French: "Le pape sera persecuté de toutes parts: on lui tirera dessus, on voudra le mettre à mort, mais on ne lui pourra rien, le Vicaire de Dieu triomphera encore cette fois." - La Salette


English translation: "The Pope will be persecuted from all parts/sections(of the world): he forces/pushes onward, you/someone/one intend(desire/expect) to put him to death, but you/someone have no authority in the slightest(to do so), the Vicar of God triumphs again this time."





"The(le) Pope(pape) will be(sera) persecuted(persecute) from(de) all(toutes) parts/sections(parts)(of the world): he(on lui) forces/propels(tirera) onwards/upwards(dessus), you/someone/one(on) intend/desire/expect(voudra) him(le) to be put(mettre) to(a) death(morte), but(mais) you/someone (have) not(on ne lui) the power/ability/authority(pourra) in the slightest(rien), the(le) Vicar(Vicaire) of(de) God(Dieu) triumphs(triomphera) again(encore) this(cette) time(fois)."


"Le pape sera persecuté de toutes parts"
The Pope will be persecuted from all parts/sections(of the world)"


"le" (the, him)
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tirera (propels, excerts a force)
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dessus (on, upwards) -
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voudra (intend, desire, wish, expect to)
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mettre (put, give, suppose)
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pourra (power, ability, authority)
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rien (nothing, slightest)
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encore (still, again)
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if you examine the French secret written by Maximin Geraud (July 3,1851) very closely, you might realize it's for the century "plus(more) tard(late)" [more late = later] to the year 2000.

Within Melanie Mathieu's corresponding Secret written July 6, 1851, you see two 50 year periods mentioned. My guess is the first 50 year period was 1900-1950 (two world wars), and the 2nd 50 year period is 2000-2050. I could be wrong.




















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[link to www.sspxasia.com]

Are you at all interested in the 3Days of Darkness prophecies? They align with scripture in many books of the Old Testament. Talking about when the moon will turn blood red, and the sun black as ash clothe. Is the error which Russia would spread to the World strictly communism, or is it something else?