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Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.

 
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Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.

Can you imagine if McCain had won and did precisely what Obama has done, with every speech and every political maneuver overseas? Thered be riots in the streets about the people were killing. And yet because its Obama, and hes better looking and better at reading the teleprompter, we let him get away with it.

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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
Google "Obama drone strikes"

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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
He has already authorized 283 strikes in Pakistan, six times more than the number during President George W. Bush's eight years in office.
As a result, the number of estimated deaths from the Obama administration's drone strikes is more than four times what it was during the Bush administration -- somewhere between 1,494 and 2,618.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
the CFR marches merrily on and on. the actors change.

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

- Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.

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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The MSM has completely ignored this.

COMPLETELY
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
"Double the numbers"??

Wtf?

Bush killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US troops after cutting their combat pay.

Is there some massive land invasion that Obama has carried out that I haven't heard about?

What is Penn smoking??
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The MSM ignores all of the REAL issues and focuses on garbage to keep the sheeple distracted from what is really going on. They have been doing this for decades, nothing new here.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The MSM has completely ignored this.

COMPLETELY
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The media has completely ignored what?
Obama's escalation of drone strikes?

You obviously don't read much.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The MSM has completely ignored this.

COMPLETELY
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The media has completely ignored what?
Obama's escalation of drone strikes?

You obviously don't read much.
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Really, have they reported these numbers?

Where. Yes they have reported drone strikes but certainly not all of these numbers
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The number of estimated deaths from drone strikes is four times higher under Obama

[link to counterterrorism.newamerica.net]


Speaking only for our own troops, the Afghanistan casualty list is now thrice as long

[link to www.justforeignpolicy.org]


Report: Obama Redefines 'Militant' to Avoid Counting Civilian Drone Deaths

[link to news.yahoo.com]

Finally, here's a pretty comprehensive list of everything Bush did that Obama's continued. It's long.

[link to stpeteforpeace.org]
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
He has already authorized 283 strikes in Pakistan, six times more than the number during President George W. Bush's eight years in office.
As a result, the number of estimated deaths from the Obama administration's drone strikes is more than four times what it was during the Bush administration -- somewhere between 1,494 and 2,618.
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bush carpet bombed iraq and afghan for his whole career.

plus killing a million civilians from clean water sanctions.

WTF is penn saying? just about drone strikes?
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
"Double the numbers"??

Wtf?

Bush killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US troops after cutting their combat pay.

Is there some massive land invasion that Obama has carried out that I haven't heard about?

What is Penn smoking??
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killing more americans too.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The MSM has completely ignored this.

COMPLETELY
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The media has completely ignored what?
Obama's escalation of drone strikes?

You obviously don't read much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25997290


Really, have they reported these numbers?

Where. Yes they have reported drone strikes but certainly not all of these numbers
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Ffs, more people were killed in a typical month during Bush's Iraq misadventure than by Obama's targeted Al Qaeda blasting.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The MSM has completely ignored this.

COMPLETELY
 Quoting: Philligan


The media has completely ignored what?
Obama's escalation of drone strikes?

You obviously don't read much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25997290


Really, have they reported these numbers?

Where. Yes they have reported drone strikes but certainly not all of these numbers
 Quoting: Philligan


Ffs, more people were killed in a typical month during Bush's Iraq misadventure than by Obama's targeted Al Qaeda blasting.
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lol Im talking about drone strikes.

Read the thread go back and read it
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
also read the Afghanistan numbers.

The media controls most of it
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
"Double the numbers"??

Wtf?

Bush killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US troops after cutting their combat pay.

Is there some massive land invasion that Obama has carried out that I haven't heard about?

What is Penn smoking??
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killing more americans too.
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Really?

How many Americans died fighting for George Bush?
How many have died fighting for Obama?
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
also read the Afghanistan numbers.

The media controls most of it
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The fuck are you talking about??
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
He has already authorized 283 strikes in Pakistan, six times more than the number during President George W. Bush's eight years in office.
As a result, the number of estimated deaths from the Obama administration's drone strikes is more than four times what it was during the Bush administration -- somewhere between 1,494 and 2,618.
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bush carpet bombed iraq and afghan for his whole career.

plus killing a million civilians from clean water sanctions.

WTF is penn saying? just about drone strikes?
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It's a little sad watching people defend a murderer just because the murderer happens to be a Democrat.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
He has already authorized 283 strikes in Pakistan, six times more than the number during President George W. Bush's eight years in office.
As a result, the number of estimated deaths from the Obama administration's drone strikes is more than four times what it was during the Bush administration -- somewhere between 1,494 and 2,618.
 Quoting: Philligan


bush carpet bombed iraq and afghan for his whole career.

plus killing a million civilians from clean water sanctions.

WTF is penn saying? just about drone strikes?
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It's a little sad watching people defend a murderer just because the murderer happens to be a Democrat.
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I WANT Al Qaeda murdered.
All of them.


What I don't want is a stupid multi-trillion dollar land invasion.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
Bush prosecuted more bankers for fraud.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
"Double the numbers"??

Wtf?

Bush killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US troops after cutting their combat pay.

Is there some massive land invasion that Obama has carried out that I haven't heard about?

What is Penn smoking??
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killing more americans too.
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Really?

How many Americans died fighting for George Bush?
How many have died fighting for Obama?
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That's a very good question!

The media doesn't seem to reporting the casualties anymore, for some odd reason.

The counter on this page

[link to www.justforeignpolicy.org]

says that 1,475 Americans have died in Afghanistan fighting for the Magnificent O, versus 575 that died fighting for the other dancing monkey.

CNN and the rest of the watchdog press don't seem to be following the corpse count all that closely.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
To be serious, while I can understand not liking how Obama has been authorizing so many drone strikes... Double the numbers? Only if you completely ignore the death tolls of the Iraq and Afiganisan wars.

A good way to get your argument ignored is to engage in hyperbole like that.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.

Can you imagine if McCain had won and did precisely what Obama has done, with every speech and every political maneuver overseas? Thered be riots in the streets about the people were killing. And yet because its Obama, and hes better looking and better at reading the teleprompter, we let him get away with it.

[link to www.goodreads.com]
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Bullshit.

At least Obaa is smart, and finds a way to get the people over there to fight for themselves.

If it had been Bush, McCain or Romney, there will be American boots on the ground getting killed for oil and Israel.


Obama is more surgical. He uses drones and airstrikes instead of putting our soldiers in harms way.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.

Can you imagine if McCain had won and did precisely what Obama has done, with every speech and every political maneuver overseas? Thered be riots in the streets about the people were killing. And yet because its Obama, and hes better looking and better at reading the teleprompter, we let him get away with it.

[link to www.goodreads.com]
 Quoting: Philligan


Bullshit.

At least Obaa is smart, and finds a way to get the people over there to fight for themselves.

If it had been Bush, McCain or Romney, there will be American boots on the ground getting killed for oil and Israel.


Obama is more surgical. He uses drones and airstrikes instead of putting our soldiers in harms way.
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More American soldiers have died in Afghanistan during the last 4 years than died during the 8 years Bush was "president".

U.S. Deaths in Afghanistan: Obama vs Bush
[link to www.justforeignpolicy.org]

Get your facts straight.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
Obama sure is a good 'Muslim'

Killed more than any other president. rofl.
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
"Double the numbers"??

Wtf?

Bush killed
hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US troops after cutting their combat pay.

Is there some massive land invasion that Obama has carried out that I haven't heard about?

What is Penn smoking??
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What have you been smoking?
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
"Double the numbers"??

Wtf?

Bush killed
hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and tens of thousands of US troops after cutting their combat pay.

Is there some massive land invasion that Obama has carried out that I haven't heard about?

What is Penn smoking??
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What have you been smoking?
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How do you sleep at night after voting for Bush??
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.

Can you imagine if McCain had won and did precisely what Obama has done, with every speech and every political maneuver overseas? Thered be riots in the streets about the people were killing. And yet because its Obama, and hes better looking and better at reading the teleprompter, we let him get away with it.

[link to www.goodreads.com]
 Quoting: Philligan


Bullshit.

At least Obaa is smart, and finds a way to get the people over there to fight for themselves.

If it had been Bush, McCain or Romney, there will be American boots on the ground getting killed for oil and Israel.


Obama is more surgical. He uses drones and airstrikes instead of putting our soldiers in harms way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18723832


More American soldiers have died in Afghanistan during the last 4 years than died during the 8 years Bush was "president".

U.S. Deaths in Afghanistan: Obama vs Bush
[link to www.justforeignpolicy.org]

Get your facts straight.
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Exactly why Obama ended the Iraq war, and is trying to end the A-stan war that the Neo-cons started...

How are you going to blame the deaths in A-stan on Obama when Bush started that war?
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Re: Penn Jillette: The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.
The only difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama is killing more people. Hes about double the numbers now.

Can you imagine if McCain had won and did precisely what Obama has done, with every speech and every political maneuver overseas? Thered be riots in the streets about the people were killing. And yet because its Obama, and hes better looking and better at reading the teleprompter, we let him get away with it.

[link to www.goodreads.com]
 Quoting: Philligan


Bullshit.

At least Obaa is smart, and finds a way to get the people over there to fight for themselves.

If it had been Bush, McCain or Romney, there will be American boots on the ground getting killed for oil and Israel.


Obama is more surgical. He uses drones and airstrikes instead of putting our soldiers in harms way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18723832


More American soldiers have died in Afghanistan during the last 4 years than died during the 8 years Bush was "president".

U.S. Deaths in Afghanistan: Obama vs Bush
[link to www.justforeignpolicy.org]

Get your facts straight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25947881


Exactly why Obama ended the Iraq war, and is trying to end the A-stan war that the Neo-cons started...

How are you going to blame the deaths in A-stan on Obama when Bush started that war?
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Oblamebush didn't end the Iraq war. We left on the exact day that Bush had agreed to years prior.

Typical liberal lying asses tell it like Obungle did something great though.

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