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Watch as it Develops - The Staged War Against Islamists in Northern Mali

 
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Background - About a year ago, I stumbled on a website run by a group of students in France. They represented an organization called the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA is its initials in French).

I kept up with their movement to establish an independent Taureg state in Northern Mali. As I followed their statements and the occasional MSM article, it became apparent that something was not quite right. These kids were being set up. I came to believe that I was watching Western intelligence operation to create the pretext for Western intervention in Africa (in other words, I was watching a "false flag" war in the making)...

By early October, the yellow journalism building the case for war was undeniable...So, I decided to create this thread. Using MSM news sources (with occasional commentary posts) I tried to give the background on what is happening in Mali & why it might be happening....

Thanks for reading - Here is my original post...

Who do I root for?

Foreign jihadists from Sudan and Western Sahara pour into northern Mali

HUNDREDS of jihadist fighters, mainly from Sudan and Western Sahara, arrived in northern Mali over the weekend to support the Islamist groups ahead of a threatened regional intervention, witnesses and a security source say.

[link to www.theaustralian.com.au]
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You can root for batman to fight and suoerman/littlefoot too.
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Background....

(After Gaddafi's death) Taureg exiles from Libya joined forces with a Tuareg rebel group, the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA) whose goal was complete independence from Mali. . .

But just as the Tuareg stood on the brink of historic victory, their secessionist and largely secular rebellion was hijacked by al-Qaeda affiliates. . .

With the major population centres of the north under rebel control, Ansar Dine (''Defenders of the Faith'') . . who were allied with AQIM (& MUJWA), brought the formidable financial resources of al-Qaeda to bear on their one-time allies: within days of seizing Timbuktu Ansar Dine expelled the MNLA from all rebel-held urban centres.

Fighters from regional Islamist groups - including the feared Boko Haram from Nigeria - swelled their ranks as they prepared for an armed response from the Malian government.

Read more: [link to www.smh.com.au]
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Welcome Mali, our newest crisis! Open your maps. . .

France used to rule Mali as part of its West African Empire, and still has deep financial, military, commercial and intelligence interests in the region.

The US has been rapidly expanding its influence in France’s former African sphere of influence, both in a drive for resources and to block China’s growing activity on the continent. . .

France wants the West African economic group ECOWAS to lead the charge. But this is merely the kind of "coalition" fig-leaf favored by the US . . .Any real fighting and transport will be done by French military units from Europe or bases in central Africa and Chad. And, of course, the Legion.

Washington has a different plan - the model used to fight Somalia’s Shebab movement. . . led by its sexy new star, Africa Command.

All this seems like a lot of effort to combat a bunch of Saharan tribesmen and trouble-makers in pickup trucks in a place whose main city, Timbuktu, is a synonym for remoteness and obscurity. . .

On to Timbuktu! A New Jolly Little War We Can’t Find on a Map by Eric Margolis [link to lewrockwell.com]
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From Today - France says fight against Mali Islamists will be ‘difficult’

Excerpt - Military intervention to recapture Mali’s north from al-Qaeda linked Islamists will be an uphill task requiring “toughened” soldiers, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said Sunday. . .

[link to english.alarabiya.net]

Hint Hint - Like maybe the French Foreign Legion?
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Article about new leader of AFRICOM

AFRICOM was supposed to be a humanitarian command, but for some reason it's new commander is a fight in' man...

The nomination of General David Rodriguez, who designed the troop surge in Afghanistan, to head US counterterrorism efforts in Africa is a testament to how serious security challenges on the continent . . .

The greatest thorn in his side may be a country that few Americans have taken notice of: Mali, where Islamic militias allied with Al Qaeda have captured half of the country.

Failure looms for Mali [link to b.globe.com] via @BostonGlobe
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Blast for the past.... Anyone remember the US special forces soldiers who died in Mali last Spring?

In pre-dawn darkness, a ­Toyota Land Cruiser skidded off a bridge in North Africa in the spring, plunging into the Niger River. When rescuers arrived, they found the bodies of three U.S. Army commandos — alongside three dead women.

What the men were doing in the impoverished country of Mali, and why they were still there a month after the United States suspended military relations with its government, is at the crux of a mystery that officials have not fully explained even 10 weeks later.

At the very least, the April 20 accident exposed a team of Special Operations forces that had been working for months in Mali . . . More broadly, the crash has provided a rare glimpse of elite U.S. commando units in North Africa, where they have been secretly engaged in counterterrorism actions against al-Qaeda affiliates....

Two of the soldiers, Capt. ­Daniel H. Utley, 33, and Sgt. 1st Class Marciano E. Myrthil, 39, were members of the 91st Civil Affairs Battalion, 95th Civil Affairs Brigade, which is based at Fort Bragg, N.C.

For two months after the crash, the U.S. military withheld the identity of the third soldier killed. In response to inquiries from The Washington Post, the Army named him as Master Sgt. Trevor J. Bast, 39, a communications technician with the Intelligence and Security Command at Fort Belvoir. The Intelligence and Security Command is a little-known and secretive branch of the Army that specializes in communications intercepts. . . .

At least two of the soldiers in Mali had been trained as communications or intelligence specialists. Bast was described as a “communications expert” and he was posthumously given the Meritorious Service Medal but the Army declined to say why. . . . Utley, the captain, joined the Army in 2002 to work as a signals and communications officer but later transferred to the Special Forces.

Mysterious crash provides rare glimpse of U.S. commandos in Mali [link to www.washingtonpost.com] -
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Another Blast from the Past - Qatar comes to Northern Mali too...

From the Moor Next Door...

Suspicions that Ansar Ed-Dine has been receiving funding from Qatar has circulated in Mali for several months. Reports (as yet unconfirmed) that a ‘Qatari’ aircraft landed at Gao, full of weapons, money and drugs, for example, emerged near the beginning of the conflict. The original report cites a French military intelligence report as indicating that Qatar has provided financial support to all three of the main armed groups in northern Mali: Iyad Ag Ghali’s Ansar Ed-Dine, al-Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) and the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa (MUJWA). . .

On 02 July 2012, al-Arab published an article (‘Monitoring $5 million in relief programs: A Field Office of the Qatari Red Crescent in northern Mali’) describing the work of the four Qatari Red Crescent workers whose activities in Gao have been fuel for a number of rumours about Qatar’s supposed role in Mali, which has been a favourite subject of the Algerian and French press over the last few months. Al-Arab’s article lays out the men’s activities during the June confrontations in Gao. The men arrived in May.
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Who do I root for?

 Quoting: DarbyDoom


You can just do what I do and not care either way. I assure you, the outcome will be the same no matter who you "root" for.
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Summary -

When did US Intelligence assets in Mali die in a "mysterious" (possibly staged) car accident?

April 20, 2012

When did the Qatari Red Crescent team arrive in Mali?

early May, 2012

When did the "well-funded" Ansar Dine & MUJWA take over the cities? (Keep in mind the Taureg are famously impecunious).

Late June, 2012

Who is ramping up for military actions in Mali?

USA & the those formidable fighting men of France...
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Who should I root for?

Well, it looks like Team France/USA can't even agree on a game plan...

The Jihadists have the home field advantage...

And, with the mysterious shooting of the Mauritanian President, our back-up players aren't even on the field....

I'll pick the fat princes from Qatar for an eventual blow-out...

(besides we're on the same team as the French)

Why did we help them get rid of Gaddafi again?
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Good job DD

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Everything is in place.

Snip; President Obama has nominated Army General David M. Rodriguez to succeed Army General Carter F. Ham as the commander of U.S. Africa Command, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said, October 18, 2012.

[link to www.africom.mil]
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France sending drones to Mali...



[link to abcnews.go.com]
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US & France in secret talks over Mali

Top-level American and French military leaders and diplomats, including U.S. assistant secretary of state for African affairs Johnnie Carson, began two days of talks in Paris on Monday on intelligence-gathering and security in Mali and the rest of the Sahel region. . .

The Paris meetings follow a U.N. Security Council resolution that gives Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon about a month to help Malian authorities devise a plan to regain control of the north.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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What is all the Qatari Money Buying?

Child Soldiers & Sex Slaves....

They are also buying child soldiers, paying families $600 (£375) per child, Ivan Simonovic said after a fact-finding visit to the country.

Mr Simonovic painted a grim picture of human rights abuses there.

Women's rights were being particularly restricted, said Mr Simonovic, citing the compilation of a "frightening" list of unmarried women who were pregnant or had borne children.

More women were being forced into marriage - with a wife costing less than $1,000 - and some were then being resold in "a smokescreen for enforced prostitution", added Mr Simonovic.

"Human rights violations are becoming more systematic," he told reporters at UN headquarters in New York, adding that Islamists had "imposed an extremist version of Sharia".

This article is great yellow journalism (sort of). It gives real reasons to hate our evil enemies. One problem - where is all the money coming from?

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Mali in the US Presidential Debate...

Mali! . . . Mitt Romney name-checked this land-locked West African state in his first answer. He cited the rise of “al-Qaeda types” in the country as part of a warning that Islamist terrorists are, he says, on the rise. . .

Romney referenced Mali again a few minutes later, which has got to be a world record. Al-Qaeda and extremists are rising, he said, “with North Mali having been taken over by al-Qaeda,” also citing other examples.

Mittens is on board...I don't think this was a message to our allies (France)..They would already know that he's on board...Was it a message to our enemies (China?)


[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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Who do I root for?

Foreign jihadists from Sudan and Western Sahara pour into northern Mali

HUNDREDS of jihadist fighters, mainly from Sudan and Western Sahara, arrived in northern Mali over the weekend to support the Islamist groups ahead of a threatened regional intervention, witnesses and a security source say.

[link to www.theaustralian.com.au]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom




LOL - you mean you actually THINK they are on different sides?

OMG - it is the same old same old pattern - and at the end of the day, western corporations get Mali's resources and rebuilding contracts.



America's manufacturing days have all come down to one thing: America is best at manufacturing fake enemies - and America ONLY gets away with it because its population are retarded fat ignorant twat-heads who couldn't give a fuck, let alone understand it all.
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Mali conflict puts freedom of 'slave descendants' in peril

The plight of slave descendants is even more insecure following a rebellion by Tuareg separatists backed by al-Qaida-linked extremists. In March, the uprising triggered a military coup by troops frustrated at the ineffectual government response. Now, military intervention from Ecowas, the west African regional group, looms.

"The slave population is already defenceless; it will become even more so as the conflict intensifies. We are like the straw that will be trampled underfoot when elephants fight," said Ibrahim Ag Idbaltanat, an activist who received the international anti-slavery award in London last Wednesday.

Slavery was formally abolished in Mali in the 1960s, after the country gained independence from France. However, although slavery is not allowed under the constitution, there is no anti-slavery law and descent-based slavery through the maternal bloodline still exists in northern regions.

People descended from slaves remain the "property" of their "masters", either living with them and serving them directly, or living separately but remaining under their control.

...Slavery is still practised in the far north between Berber-descended Tuareg nomads and darker-skinned Bella or black Tamasheq people.

[link to guardian.urlshrtener]

More Yellow Journalism - War planning 101 - there's always a group of innocent victims to save...
Here it's black people, women, and those poor child soldiers...

How many of them did we save in Libya?
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Foreign fighters have arrived in a town in northern Mali, Gao's exiled mayor has told the BBC, confirming reports of an influx of jihadists to the north.

Mr Diallo told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme the foreign fighters were lightly armed and had arrived in Gao on 93 trucks.

"They were identified as coming mainly from Western Sahara and Algeria. They seem to be instructors. They bring small arms with them, not heavy weapons," he said, adding that one or two of the fighters were from Sudan.

Mr Diallo, Gao's elected mayor who was speaking from the capital, Bamako, said that the Islamist group controlling the town - the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa (Mujao) - had also recruited 200 students from local Koranic schools.

"There is a radical Muslim sect in surrounding villages and all young people from the Koranic schools in the area have joined Mujao... not because they support the group, but because they've lost hope after seven months of suffering, they're unemployed; they can't resist," he added.

He said Mujao paid them between $300 (about £190) and $400 a month...

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Who do I root for?

 Quoting: DarbyDoom


LOL - you mean you actually THINK they are on different sides?

OMG - it is the same old same old pattern - and at the end of the day, western corporations get Mali's resources and rebuilding contracts.

America's manufacturing days have all come down to one thing: America is best at manufacturing fake enemies - and America ONLY gets away with it because its population are retarded fat ignorant twat-heads who couldn't give a fuck, let alone understand it all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25922006


I'm not saying they are different sides....I know that the Emir of Qatar is a good friend of Prince Charles's....But other than that.....

What I am saying is that I've seen the man behind the curtain...

This began as a legitimate independence movement led by a group that was disenfranchised, disadvantaged and, thanks to Libya, well-armed. The Taureg wanted their Azawad...and they were willing to fight for it...

The Taureg "caught a break" when an incredibly stupid USMC-trained Malian military officer (wearing a US Flag pin no less) staged a coup and basically handed Northern Mali to them...

But then it gets "funny." Three Americans die. Islamists with lots of money show up...The Islamists take over and the Taureg leadership gets dragged through the streets of their own cities "Black Hawk Down" style.
..

Two members of the band Tinariwen barely made it out alive...they'd missed the band's recent tour trapped in Mali (hint - saying a Taureg is trapped in the desert is like saying B'rer Rabbit is trapped in his patch - they were fighting with the MNLA)....

When I watch West Side Story I root for the Jets....Doesn't mean I don't realize it's a play...
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Actually, this whole impending sh*tstorm was "funny" from the start...

The Taureg had a leader who was going to be the "Founding Father of Azawad." He was killed in a staged car accident in August of 2011...

After his death, there was a fight for leadership of the movement (the MNLA)...

The guy who lost that fight had found religion when he'd worked at the Malian Embassy in Saudi Arabia. He took his indignation of being passed over for the top job, and his new-found Wahhabism, and founded a group called Ansar Al Dine. They are the evil Islamists who first hijacked the MNLA's liberation of Azawad. When Ansar al Dine had some issues w/ killing their cousins, AQIM and MUJWA became major players.


Kill someone in a staged car accident....What kind of person would do something like that?

Anyway, here's a tribute to Ag Bahanga - Killed (or died in an "accident") August 2011...

Music by Tinariwen...

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Panetta says US seeks allied plan to deal with Al-Qaida-linked militants in Mali

Senior U.S. defense leaders are working with allies on a plan to deal with al-Qaida- linked militants in Mali and elsewhere in the North Africa region, with American assistance likely to center on intelligence and logistical support and not troops on the ground. . .

United States will provide intelligence and logistics support...

Sounds like Libya Part II....

But then it is Libya Part II....

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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This lady in an English Human Rights Activist who blogs on Northwest Africa...

Two weeks ago the President of Mauritania was accidentally shot five times...(Mauritania & Mali share long border)...

Three days before he was shot, this blogger posted an update on her Facebook page predicting a "false flag" attack in Mauritania before the visit of the US UnderSecretary of State Maria Otero. Ms. Otero was the highest ranking US Official to visit Mauritania in five years...(Basically the blogger (Anita) gave herself a five day window for this "false flag")

Anyway, the President was "accidentally shot" two days before Ms. Otero's visit (which was cancelled)...So, I'm thinking this blogger knows what she's talking about...(Has a GLP poster calling for a false flag w/I five days ever been correct?)

She believes that the War on Mali is on (of course)...and that the President of Mauritania is deeply involved. She outlines the type of stories we should expect to see in the West drumming up support for this human rights interventions (and you will see those exact stories posted above) and then she gives us this gem....

They are having to rush the planned intervention into Mali....Why? Because under the Islamists, the economy is improving DRAMATICALLY... Refugees are returning... and you can't justify a humanitarian war if those nasty Islamists are actually making life better for the locals...

It explains why the Mail timetable has been pushed up from early 2013 to after the US Presidential elections in 2012...

Here's her blog, she's also on Facebook...

She seems somewhat shambolic, but the pattern is so obvious it is easily discernible to those who are watching...and she is watching...

#Mauritania: Sex, Lies and Videotape [link to lissnup.wordpress.com (secure)]
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The Whiff of Conflict Grows in Mali

A military strike to recapture Mali’s Islamist-held north is growing more likely, according to Western powers, regional bodies and the United Nations — a pronounced shift after months of hesitation and hopes that negotiations might end what is now seen as a far-reaching jihadist threat.

In recent weeks, for the first time, a broad-based international consensus has formed that war could soon be waged in the vast desert and savanna of northern Mali, an area roughly the size of France. Planning for such an operation remains embryonic. Who would take part? When would it occur? Who would command it?


Read more here:
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Welcome Mali, our newest crisis! Open your maps. . .

 Quoting: DarbyDoom


I love that quote! 5*
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Story on how Islamists are helping the local economy...

Who says crime doesn't pay...

...In Mali's north, residents have little doubt they are seeing the results of ransom payments. In August, rank-and-file members of MUJWA in the town of Gao were given large wads of cash soon after an Italian and two Spanish hostages were freed, according to two residents, both of whom had friends or contacts within the organisation. One resident said the minimum payment was about US$300.

Djibril Yalga, who repairs mobile and satellite telephones on a dusty street corner in Gao, said business was booming under Islamist rule and fighters with cash were ready to spend it to keep locals happy.

"Lots of people - mostly gunmen - come to charge their phones," he said, as Islamists perched nearby on pick-up trucks mounted with machineguns. "They pay well and seldom try and bargain. They let me keep the change...

[link to www.stuff.co.nz]
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I missed this, from two days ago.

Berlin - Germany could take part in any European training mission to Mali to help its government prepare troops to counter Islamist insurgents in the north of the African country, Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Monday.

[link to www.news24.com]
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We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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Oh no - Mali is great terrain for drones.. New test range for their expensive toys...US & France will never leave...

...The French have already deployed drones to the West African nation to track down six of their hostages they believe are being held there by an increasingly strong al Qaeda presence, comprised partially of French citizens. This operation began amid ongoing closed-door talks in Paris among Western intelligence powers concerned about what they see as a new hub for al Qaeda....

The Sahel region, by comparison, is open, sparsely populated and flat. . .

"There is not a lot of human terrain or physical terrain to hide in," ...

Stratfor has reports of U.S. reconnaissance aircraft over Mali along with the French drones, mostly there for surveillance and to "measure what's going on," Stewart says. The organization has classified the situation in northern Mali as unstable, and that it has become evident that "external action will be required to tilt the balance back in favor of Mali's central government," according to a report. . .

Despite Romney Claims, Mali Is No Afghanistan [link to t.usnews.com]

So, not only is the military-industrial complex getting us into wars so we consume their products....They are choosing wars that make their products look good. Both Mali & Libya were great locales for drone strikes, guided missiles, & air surveillance...
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More war propaganda...

'Gangster Jihadists' Savage Mali With Western Ransoms - you get to see the ugly dude who led the coup that toppled Malis's government

[link to news.linktv.org]

Also, all this talk of ransoms is supposed to explain where the Islamists' money comes from....BUT we know it comes from Qatar....

OT - I think the Emir of Qatar is the Henry Kissinger of this century....Pull back the curtain for every evil plot in the world and you will keep finding his ugly booty...On second though, keep those curtains closed.

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