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Update: Sinkhole 52,000 gallons mystery crude oil collected, shocking growth exposed

 
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This citizen reporter has produced a video documenting that the sinkhole area is subsiding more than official reports indicate, the area appears to have a second sinkhole (denied by officials), and seismic activity is experienced in the area on a regular basis.

Seismic activity has registered on local monitors before major changes in the sinkhole and before the Crosstex flare occurred last week.

(Watch the YouTube video on this page for viewer-friendly documentation of sinkhole-related maps, charts, photos and video clips of methane bubbles, seismic activity and expanding subsidence.)

Citizen reporter Idahopicker also provides the links below, demonstrating the rapid deterioration of the sinkhole area. (He notes that some "reports are No longer Available. Been deleted??")

Officials have confirmed that the crude oil that had been covering the giant sinkhole in Assumption Parish, LA was from a massive underground formation(s) of crude oil and gas that officials have said they do not know how to stop.

Through fingerprinting, four sources of the leaking hydrocarbons have been ruled out so far, according to DNR in an Oct. 11 state declaration: "Chevron Natural Gas Cavern, Acadian Natural Gas Cavern, Crosstex Butane Caverns, Residual Gas from 2003 Gulf South Blow-out."

According to that declaration, formations of crude oil and methane (natural gas) are sole sources still publicly discussed for the crude oil and gas surfacing for miles around the sinkhole.

Read more: [link to www.examiner.com]

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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
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1 cubic meter of commerical gas = roughly 39 megajoules of energy, look that shit up. If I was within 500 miles of that sinkhole I would get the fuck out of there.
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ahhh
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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
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You sure? 5.187 TRILLION megajoules or 5.18700 x 10(18)?

Aren't we talking end of the planet at that point?

We'd be talking bigger than this, right? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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It's starting to get out now. Shouldn't be long before we see some major movement.
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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25870406


You sure? 5.187 TRILLION megajoules or 5.18700 x 10(18)?

Aren't we talking end of the planet at that point?

We'd be talking bigger than this, right? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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5 trillion I think I added a few too many 000's
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But yea, it would be bigger than any nuke we have ever detonated I believe. Tsar bomb is the biggest at 200 MT correct? Lets find out what that would do..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

ANd i'm only talking about the natural gas, what about the methane and the oil?
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You know that new map of america keeps popping into my mind. The one with the huge split down the middle of the US. I wonder..
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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25870406


You sure? 5.187 TRILLION megajoules or 5.18700 x 10(18)?

Aren't we talking end of the planet at that point?

We'd be talking bigger than this, right? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Present and Aware


1 Gigaton of TNT = 4.184×10(18) J

But you're talking on the order of over a million times that (megajoules)?

Me thinks your calculations may be a tad off. At least I hope so.

Is there a math whiz in the house?
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not totally world ending. THe explosive radius wouldn't come close to reaching across the planet some 28000~ km. But it would be very very very extreme in the first at least 500 square miles.
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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25870406


You sure? 5.187 TRILLION megajoules or 5.18700 x 10(18)?

Aren't we talking end of the planet at that point?

We'd be talking bigger than this, right? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Present and Aware


5 trillion I think I added a few too many 000's
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Oh that's good. I feel much better now. So basically we'll only see the bottom half of the US blown up instead of the entire hemisphere?
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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25870406


You sure? 5.187 TRILLION megajoules or 5.18700 x 10(18)?

Aren't we talking end of the planet at that point?

We'd be talking bigger than this, right? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Present and Aware


1 Gigaton of TNT = 4.184×10(18) J

But you're talking on the order of over a million times that (megajoules)?

Me thinks your calculations may be a tad off. At least I hope so.

Is there a math whiz in the house?
 Quoting: Present and Aware


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do the math yourself

Quantities of natural gas are measured in normal cubic meters (corresponding to 0 °C at 101.325 kPa) or in standard cubic feet (corresponding to 60 °F (16 °C) and 14.73 psia). The gross heat of combustion of one cubic meter of commercial quality natural gas is around 39 megajoules (≈10.8 kWh), but this can vary by several percent. This comes to about 49 megajoules (≈13.5 kWh) for one kg of natural gas (assuming 0.8 kg/m^3, an approximate value).[citation needed]

Commercial quality is going to be much more refined then this gas so eliminate some portion for that. But I don't think that's too far off...
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And then you would have to take into account that the blast would be mostly forced upwards out of the sinkholes etc. So it wouldn't be a clean expanding explosion like a surface nuke. I wonder what the shock wave would be like and how long the estimated millions of barrels of crude would burn for.
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1000 joules = 1 megajoule if I remember my chemistry correctly lol
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either way we are talking about an explosion taht would probably be felt across the planet and yes, I would venture to guess at least most of the south eastern US would be severely affected.
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If someone like a simple geek can draw some very crude estimations that get numbers like that, I feel like this should be a much much bigger problem than its being treated like. Or in the public's eyes anyway.
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just did some math did you know that 500 billion cubic feet of natural gas all exploding at once would generate combustion energy that of 133~BILLION cubic meters x 39 Megajoules so=

5187000000000 megajoules of energy..... hahahahahhaahahhaahhahhahah biggest boom of our lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25870406


You sure? 5.187 TRILLION megajoules or 5.18700 x 10(18)?

Aren't we talking end of the planet at that point?

We'd be talking bigger than this, right? [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Present and Aware


1 Gigaton of TNT = 4.184×10(18) J

But you're talking on the order of over a million times that (megajoules)?

Me thinks your calculations may be a tad off. At least I hope so.

Is there a math whiz in the house?
 Quoting: Present and Aware


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do the math yourself

Quantities of natural gas are measured in normal cubic meters (corresponding to 0 °C at 101.325 kPa) or in standard cubic feet (corresponding to 60 °F (16 °C) and 14.73 psia). The gross heat of combustion of one cubic meter of commercial quality natural gas is around 39 megajoules (≈10.8 kWh), but this can vary by several percent. This comes to about 49 megajoules (≈13.5 kWh) for one kg of natural gas (assuming 0.8 kg/m^3, an approximate value).[citation needed]

Commercial quality is going to be much more refined then this gas so eliminate some portion for that. But I don't think that's too far off...
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My math skills would probably suck at 2 a.m. so not even going to attempt that right now.

Good comparison chart between butane and methane:

[link to www.diffen.com]
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Read up on that, who knows how dense some areas underneath us are of methane and natural gas. I would venture to guess its not uniform but probably more like pockets of gas that get trapped due to environmental factors.
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1000 joules = 1 megajoule if I remember my chemistry correctly lol
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1 megajoule = 1,000 KILOjoules actually

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so a megajoule= 1,000,000 joules then ?
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oh..........
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so a megajoule= 1,000,000 joules then ?
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Yes. Mega = million
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It's starting to get out now. Shouldn't be long before we see some major movement.
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Exactly.

Mainstream media won't be able to ignore it for long.
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[link to www.kylesconverter.com]

Well thats nifty, but again I believe that conversion would be for refined gas.
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And 1 joule is enough force to move 1 kilogram 1 meter, correct?
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oh some worker just throw a fukin match on the cunt , be done with it.
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And then you would have to take into account that the blast would be mostly forced upwards out of the sinkholes etc. So it wouldn't be a clean expanding explosion like a surface nuke. I wonder what the shock wave would be like and how long the estimated millions of barrels of crude would burn for.
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I cannot even wrap my head around this...holy sh**
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[link to www.theoildrum.com]
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1.2 X 10^18 so 1.2 exajoules. 1.4 i guess was the total electrical usage of the US in 2009.... [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Well shit, thats a rather large explosion.
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And then you would have to take into account that the blast would be mostly forced upwards out of the sinkholes etc. So it wouldn't be a clean expanding explosion like a surface nuke. I wonder what the shock wave would be like and how long the estimated millions of barrels of crude would burn for.
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Yikes.

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