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"The stone which the builders rejected..."

 
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Who are the builders? Are they the ancient stone cutters guild also known as the Masons?

In reference to Jesus the Christ, and our Lord the prophecies say this "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone[capstone]; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'"

I have heard that masons claim that Christ rose from the dead in their tradition, and by the esoteric forces they employ. As a Catholic I believe that Christ was raised by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the former claim is merely a marketing ploy for their order.

Are Masons necessarily anti-christ? If so it would lend credence to my theory that the builders are the Masons, and they should maybe reconsider their position.

Honest questions for those with honest answers. Correct me if I am wrong-I am open to hearing others ideas and learning.
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please keep in mind that I am not trying to be abrasive or anti-masonic, but only wish to enter into honest and open dialogue. If there are any Masons willing to comment on the above scripture in light of their own understanding or experience I would love to listen.
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I always took it to mean the masons, or the esoteric schools or the priesthood that controlled all knowledge and therefore the progress of civilization.

christ expresses pure freedom around their controls, by rising from their death sentence.
They reject him, and he rejects their power.

He cursed the priests for hoarding and hiding all the knowledge given to mankind, they hide it and control it to control others.

"dogs in the feed trough, so the sheep cannot eat freely" (paraphrased)
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Interestingly I am under the impression that Masons have some strange fixation on discerning the name of God. What would Masons say in light of this:

3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
 Quoting: Philipians 2


Also if there is a sense of elitism found amongst masons and other esoteric/secret schools, does this fly in the face of the sort of humility, that Christ embodied, which we are admonished to emulate?
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I always took it to mean the masons, or the esoteric schools or the priesthood that controlled all knowledge and therefore the progress of civilization.

christ expresses pure freedom around their controls, by rising from their death sentence.
They reject him, and he rejects their power.

He cursed the priests for hoarding and hiding all the knowledge given to mankind, they hide it and control it to control others.

"dogs in the feed trough, so the sheep cannot eat freely" (paraphrased)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26055325
here's all the knowledge unhoarded in this thread> 777 is the number of god because i am god..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many.
 Quoting: Mark 13:6


Be careful.
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Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many.
 Quoting: Mark 13:6
that's because their isn't a "he",its the spirit within all of us we all share and can claim...jesus was the name of the ark that the spirit spoke through..there aint no god,goddess ,savior ,prophet etc with a different spirit from what we all have..a house divided cannot stand ,therefore the spirit cannot be divided into separate religious concepts...we are the creators/co-creator spirit...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Your flesh and soul are inextricably connected as a human being. That is one of the fundamental flaws of Gnosticism.
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Your flesh and soul are inextricably connected as a human being. That is one of the fundamental flaws of Gnosticism.
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there is no soul,were all spirit...we are the co-creator spirit not the concepts..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Gnosticism


This is a key word.

They did not have it when the new testament was written, probably had a different word for this old spirit, but evil men claimed to be disciples of Jesus that had received secret
teaching of the mystical/metaphysical from HIM were trying to lure new converts away from the real apostles.

The Talmud and Kabbalah were such types of Jewish material written from the time of their Babylonian captivity (time of Daniel and on) and those traditions were common when Messiah was there visiting HIS people and they rejected HIM.

The Solomon connection before Israel was divided into the northern and southern kingdoms, Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines from all over the known world and Solomon allowed these women to practice their pagan religions in Jerusalem.

No big surprise that Masons can identify with Solomon, he
screwed up royally.
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Who are the builders? Are they the ancient stone cutters guild also known as the Masons?

In reference to Jesus the Christ, and our Lord the prophecies say this "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone[capstone]; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'"

I have heard that masons claim that Christ rose from the dead in their tradition, and by the esoteric forces they employ. As a Catholic I believe that Christ was raised by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the former claim is merely a marketing ploy for their order.

Are Masons necessarily anti-christ? If so it would lend credence to my theory that the builders are the Masons, and they should maybe reconsider their position.

Honest questions for those with honest answers. Correct me if I am wrong-I am open to hearing others ideas and learning.
 Quoting: PEER 22415989


Peer, I think Scripture says God the Father raised Our Lord from the dead. I'll check [link to www.drbo.org]
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2 Peter 2:4-5
If so be you have tasted that the Lord is sweet. Unto whom coming, as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen and made honourable by God: [5] Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


Jesus is the "living stone" our high priest, men are also
"as living stones"...

His priest sons. There is a ministerial priesthood to offer
sacrifice in the New Covenant too. Like the Old but greater. Where is the ministerial priesthood in Protestantism?
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Who are the builders? Are they the ancient stone cutters guild also known as the Masons?

In reference to Jesus the Christ, and our Lord the prophecies say this "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone[capstone]; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'"

I have heard that masons claim that Christ rose from the dead in their tradition, and by the esoteric forces they employ. As a Catholic I believe that Christ was raised by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the former claim is merely a marketing ploy for their order.

Are Masons necessarily anti-christ? If so it would lend credence to my theory that the builders are the Masons, and they should maybe reconsider their position.

Honest questions for those with honest answers. Correct me if I am wrong-I am open to hearing others ideas and learning.
 Quoting: PEER 22415989


Peer, I think Scripture says God the Father raised Our Lord from the dead. I'll check [link to www.drbo.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


Acts 2:32
This Jesus hath God raised again, whereof all we are witnesses
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Jesus rose again because he had faith in the Holy Spirit, not because he had faith in Mans Word.
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Jesus rose again because he had faith in the Holy Spirit, not because he had faith in Mans Word.
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Our Lord is God, like God the Holy Spirit.

"Faith Alone" came from Martin Luther not God.
Read James 2:24.
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Who are the builders? Are they the ancient stone cutters guild also known as the Masons?

In reference to Jesus the Christ, and our Lord the prophecies say this "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone[capstone]; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'"

I have heard that masons claim that Christ rose from the dead in their tradition, and by the esoteric forces they employ. As a Catholic I believe that Christ was raised by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the former claim is merely a marketing ploy for their order.

Are Masons necessarily anti-christ? If so it would lend credence to my theory that the builders are the Masons, and they should maybe reconsider their position.

Honest questions for those with honest answers. Correct me if I am wrong-I am open to hearing others ideas and learning.
 Quoting: PEER 22415989


Maybe it's the reverse. :)
Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders.
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Masons are using a capstone in their rituals and it represents their personal freedom I think.
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Who are the builders? Are they the ancient stone cutters guild also known as the Masons?

In reference to Jesus the Christ, and our Lord the prophecies say this "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone[capstone]; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'"

I have heard that masons claim that Christ rose from the dead in their tradition, and by the esoteric forces they employ. As a Catholic I believe that Christ was raised by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the former claim is merely a marketing ploy for their order.

Are Masons necessarily anti-christ? If so it would lend credence to my theory that the builders are the Masons, and they should maybe reconsider their position.

Honest questions for those with honest answers. Correct me if I am wrong-I am open to hearing others ideas and learning.
 Quoting: PEER 22415989


Interesting....Perhaps JC IS the capstone that the Mason's have rejected!!...as far as marketing ploy's.......oh come on...your a catholic.....the original Saatchi & Saatchi's of the Christian world!!.....and some might say that Catholicism is indeed the real Anti Christ!
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Jesus rose again because he had faith in the Holy Spirit, not because he had faith in Mans Word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483
i rose from the dead at age 8,does that make me Jesus? lol,I didn't stay dead for very long but dead is dead after you turn blue...

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I always took it to mean the masons, or the esoteric schools or the priesthood that controlled all knowledge and therefore the progress of civilization.

christ expresses pure freedom around their controls, by rising from their death sentence.
They reject him, and he rejects their power.

He cursed the priests for hoarding and hiding all the knowledge given to mankind, they hide it and control it to control others.

"dogs in the feed trough, so the sheep cannot eat freely" (paraphrased)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26055325
here's all the knowledge unhoarded in this thread> 777 is the number of god because i am god..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg



well you derailed the thread nicely didnt you. Youll have more gruel in your tray tonight wont you.
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I always took it to mean the masons, or the esoteric schools or the priesthood that controlled all knowledge and therefore the progress of civilization.

christ expresses pure freedom around their controls, by rising from their death sentence.
They reject him, and he rejects their power.

He cursed the priests for hoarding and hiding all the knowledge given to mankind, they hide it and control it to control others.

"dogs in the feed trough, so the sheep cannot eat freely" (paraphrased)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26055325
here's all the knowledge unhoarded in this thread> 777 is the number of god because i am god..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg



well you derailed the thread nicely didnt you. Youll have more gruel in your tray tonight wont you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26184163
who derailed the thread? i am a capstone,I'm half grail and half vril bloodline...that's why i revealed all the mysteries...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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In reference to Jesus the Christ, and our Lord the prophecies say this "'The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone[capstone]; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'"

The error begins with seeing this verse of the bible as a reference to Christ Jesus. This verse is in reference to just what Christ Jesus will accomplish, not of and by himself, but for a follower of his Way.

This verse is in clear reference to the capstone of the Bride, Body and Church of Christ Jesus. The initial builders of Israel were the religious and political leaders of that select, called and chosen people of the prsent nation Israel. Our present day builders are thosewho claim to hold a seat of power and authority of our present day Christian Church. They have rejected in our day and age the capstone of the Bride, Body and Church of Christ Jesus. That being the flesh and blood mortal heir to the throne of David as God has promised. Christ Jesus is not the heir of any mortal man. Christ Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, by way of the virgin birth, brought about by the very seed of God's most Holy Spirit. Thus once again the seed of no mortal man. As such, Christ Jesus was completely free of the Adamic sin that causes one and all to die. In order for mere mortal man to have eternal life, Christ Jesus, God's only begotten son, in his sin offering of his life upon the cross is the answer. Excepting what God's only begotten Son has done for you is the beginning of the way to eternal life with the all of God forever more.

Now just who should one and all be expecting in our present day? Not Christ Jesus, for he has already come and fulfilled all he was give by his Lord and God and Father to do. One and all should be expecting God to fulfill his promise to the former King of Israel, David. Where a seed of his bloodline will sit upon his earthly throne forever more. Thus, the Son of David as heir also known as Messiah ben David, the eternal king of the present day nation Israel. The Lion of the tribe of Judah, and not once again, the perfect Lamb of God, Christ Jesus.

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the stone that the builder refuse, shall always be the head cornerstone. Because the things people refuse, are the things they should choose. Hear what I say,

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Doe's anyone know what is on the cornerstone of temple mount?What inscriptions if any?

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there are layers to interpret these words..

one of them is that the cornerstone, the foundation, is yesod, is sexual energy.


ps: Marley ftw

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-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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Solomon was cool, I believe he was Amenhotep III.

See, his son, Akhenaten, raised up the Aten, or the "Sun Disc". But you see, his dad Amenhotep III had called himself "The Gleaming Sun Disc" before Akhenaten was even born.

So in Amarna, it was essentially, the story of Solomon, who had "sinned" against the true God, by having foreign idols of goddesses sent to him (this is preserved in the Amarna Letters that Amenhotep III actually did just this very thing) and so his son, was the one who tried to set things right.

It is true that Amenhotep III was the largest and greatest builder and beloved for the most part and fear, yes, by his people. But also, he had made deals with the evil priests.

So Akhenaten, being of course, Moses himself (Freud surmised they were just buddies but Ahmed Osman says they were the same guy), is the man who elevated his father to the God-disc, whilst removing his father at the same time. In this way, he tried to leave the evil priests and change the system.

Well Akhenaten, Moses, the son of Amenhotep III aka Solomon, was erased from existence except in the Moses Ghost Myth which the rabbis took, and still to this day they surf on the corpse of Moses/Akhenaten. Their ally, the Jesuits (started by a Jew, Ignacious Loyola) have the black Aten as their symbol. This is a direct counter-position to Moses, and perhaps they don't realize that they are also angering the spirit of Amenhotep III by doing so?

Ask yourself: Who would be more pissed if they incarnated back onto Earth? Jesus, Moses or Solomon? What would be their character if they did?
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666 is unperfected person , 777 is perfected person , 999 is the number of GOD. 666 gets you nowhere , 777 gets you to the luminous water with 5 seals,there you must remain until he comes..................sheep

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Solomon was cool, I believe he was Amenhotep III.

See, his son, Akhenaten, raised up the Aten, or the "Sun Disc". But you see, his dad Amenhotep III had called himself "The Gleaming Sun Disc" before Akhenaten was even born.

So in Amarna, it was essentially, the story of Solomon, who had "sinned" against the true God, by having foreign idols of goddesses sent to him (this is preserved in the Amarna Letters that Amenhotep III actually did just this very thing) and so his son, was the one who tried to set things right.

It is true that Amenhotep III was the largest and greatest builder and beloved for the most part and fear, yes, by his people. But also, he had made deals with the evil priests.

So Akhenaten, being of course, Moses himself (Freud surmised they were just buddies but Ahmed Osman says they were the same guy), is the man who elevated his father to the God-disc, whilst removing his father at the same time. In this way, he tried to leave the evil priests and change the system.

Well Akhenaten, Moses, the son of Amenhotep III aka Solomon, was erased from existence except in the Moses Ghost Myth which the rabbis took, and still to this day they surf on the corpse of Moses/Akhenaten. Their ally, the Jesuits (started by a Jew, Ignacious Loyola) have the black Aten as their symbol. This is a direct counter-position to Moses, and perhaps they don't realize that they are also angering the spirit of Amenhotep III by doing so?

Ask yourself: Who would be more pissed if they incarnated back onto Earth? Jesus, Moses or Solomon? What would be their character if they did?
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Have you read The Falcon of Sheba? very interesting read........sheep
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Your flesh and soul are inextricably connected as a human being. That is one of the fundamental flaws of Gnosticism.
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At least a living breathing one. So then i ask you ? Let the dead bury the dead ?

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