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upgrad3

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Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was
 Quoting: upgrad3


NO not criminally, not an offense against the law.
But, if the people who owned it, thought it hurt them, they have the right to try to seek compensation from you.
This does not make it ILLEGAL or LEGAL.
This is all simply about trying to take over the internet and monetize every single thing people do on it.
When the internet first started there was patent trolls trying to say they invented the internet and people would have to pay royalty fees to browse the web.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25894429


An Australian speaking and debating United States law, yea, i accept you views as debate
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How can they do that? That's like the post office opening all your mail and reading it, then warning you if they think you might be doing something naughty.

Do the ISPs want to be "Common Carriers" or not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26102938


Nah its like this, the copyright trolls get the torrent and start downloading it themselves.
Then they get a list of IP addresses on the torrent and send requests to the ISP saying these people have infringed on us.
Then the ISP interrupts the customers service that they are paying for based on this petty irrelevant allegation.
And gives them fake legal advice(which is illegal) that downloading copied movies for personal use is a crime(when it is not).
And then spams them with ads on websites to buy things.
You see what a giant fail this is? cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25894429


With torrents you are uploading to your peers, so you are a distributor of copyrighted material, so you kinda fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


the real argument with torrents is you only own a packet of data and nothing else.... mr a through z own other packets... at the end of the day though, you end up with a product that you didn't pay for... that is kinda stealing no?
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Would you steal from a store?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


How fucking stupid are you? Did you have a brain injury as a child?
How fucking retarded do you have to be, to realize that if you take something from a store without paying for it.
They lose "the thing" itself?
And that copying a song and listening to it, because you don't WANT to buy it, is NOT stealing it?
You haven't removed anything from the person who made the song, they still have the ability to sell it.
Is it a crime that you chose not to buy their song?
You are seriously one fucked up lunatic retard to believe such crap.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25894429


Look, the same thing you get off the internet is the same thing people pay for in stores or online. Can you understand that? So, knowing you are getting what people pay for for free is stealing.

You can buy stuff from the store and throw it away too. Order it off iTunes and delete it. This is what people do who can afford it.

I see you hold to your philosophy like a toddler to his mom's leg.
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sriously
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just stop using the isp's that will enforce this and watch how fast they will change their minds
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just stop using the isp's that will enforce this and watch how fast they will change their minds
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26253406


Again I'll repost what I said since people are very uninformed:



Wow, really??? You realize that the companies that provide internet & telephony are monopolies right? You don't have a "choice" of whatever company you chose. You have a "choice" of what company is "in your area". Where I live it's either Verizon, Cablevision or Time Warner; that's it, and they all have the same policies.

Also, if you are stupid enough to download stuff from public torrent sites, use stupid P2P programs and unsecured sources you deserve to be punished. Unless you are downloading from secure places like through SFTP FTP servers or SSL capable usenet servers or private torrent sites that support SSL encryption while downloading your torrent, then you are asking to be arrested.
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10/25/2012 01:43 AM
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The old philosophy, "I wasn't going to buy it, so nobody's losing out."

It is not against the law to make backups of DVD's btw. It is however illegal, in the U.S.A., to distribute copyrighted material.

It is just a fact. I don't even care, but you are just coming off as stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


You call him stupid, yet something you say is "illegal" in the US should be punished by law....Yet, copying cassette tapes, vhs tapes, dvds, and now copying albums encoded in mp3 format and sharing with people is horrible.

I don't get it?? If you copied a VHS movie and gave it to your friend back 10 years no one would have cared and wouldn't think it was illegal. But downloading mp3s is???

Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was, but did anyone care? No? So why care about MP3s/FLAC??????
 Quoting: upgrad3


Come on now. You used to have to know someone who actually bought the product in the past. Copies degraded with each copy. More importantly, the scale of piracy is massive online, hence all the fast connections. With typical cable internet, you can download a movie in about 15 minutes. Music is only a matter of seconds. Etc. etc.

The whole copying movies took time and also reduced quality. Redistributing digital goods does not degrade quality. There used to always be poorer quality and more effort in duplication.

I never said anything about punishing anybody, in fact I said I don't care. I just want the economy to do well, and all of this will scare more people into buying what they can afford.
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10/25/2012 01:44 AM
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Would you steal from a store?
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How fucking stupid are you? Did you have a brain injury as a child?
How fucking retarded do you have to be, to realize that if you take something from a store without paying for it.
They lose "the thing" itself?
And that copying a song and listening to it, because you don't WANT to buy it, is NOT stealing it?
You haven't removed anything from the person who made the song, they still have the ability to sell it.
Is it a crime that you chose not to buy their song?
You are seriously one fucked up lunatic retard to believe such crap.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25894429


stealing from a store: you take an object off the shelf, put in your pocket, and walk out. that is stealing.

but, if someone made 1,578,343 copies of that item on the shelf (and it is still on the shelf) and offered the copies for free to anybody who wants one, and you took one...

would that be stealing?

no.
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The old philosophy, "I wasn't going to buy it, so nobody's losing out."

It is not against the law to make backups of DVD's btw. It is however illegal, in the U.S.A., to distribute copyrighted material.

It is just a fact. I don't even care, but you are just coming off as stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


You call him stupid, yet something you say is "illegal" in the US should be punished by law....Yet, copying cassette tapes, vhs tapes, dvds, and now copying albums encoded in mp3 format and sharing with people is horrible.

I don't get it?? If you copied a VHS movie and gave it to your friend back 10 years no one would have cared and wouldn't think it was illegal. But downloading mp3s is???

Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was, but did anyone care? No? So why care about MP3s/FLAC??????
 Quoting: upgrad3


Come on now. You used to have to know someone who actually bought the product in the past. Copies degraded with each copy. More importantly, the scale of piracy is massive online, hence all the fast connections. With typical cable internet, you can download a movie in about 15 minutes. Music is only a matter of seconds. Etc. etc.

The whole copying movies took time and also reduced quality. Redistributing digital goods does not degrade quality. There used to always be poorer quality and more effort in duplication.

I never said anything about punishing anybody, in fact I said I don't care. I just want the economy to do well, and all of this will scare more people into buying what they can afford.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


I appreciate your calm reply :D

But the economy, in regards to the music/movie industry isn't doing poorly due to illegal downloads...I for one, just like many people will download a movie then go see it in the theater. Or listen to an album and then go buy it. So "piracy" really isn't hurting the industrty
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10/25/2012 01:48 AM
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this is fucking bullshit!
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10/25/2012 01:50 AM
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ok, so if i file a suit against youtube for distributing copyrighted material then i should under this logic win my case. They cannot win this, it is impossible. Everyone needs to open their own wifi, then they cannot prove it was downloaded by you, just someone using your network while using their network.. then who is responsible ? If the company does not send someone out to secure your network and i mean full proof from any hackers anywhere then ultimately we cannot be held responsible. This would put every anti virus software out of business also. If i am responsible for securing my wifi then they are responsible for securing the internet, while i am at it i should sue them for allowing child pornography sites which they willingly distribute all over the world through their service.
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Why do they willingly advertise torrents through their internet service, if i am watching TV and an advert comes on or TV program that offends me i can complain to them as they must approve everything that comes through their service.. So the same should apply to the internet that they provide as i am using their service, how do i know the difference ?
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10/25/2012 01:57 AM
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come on, It has its benefits to these artists as well. Lets take a music artist for example. its free advertisement, free distribution on a much bigger scale then any large record company could do physically. That is of course if the music is good. Stealing? nahh, . I know even in my own case that i've gone out and purchased something only after hearing it first on the web. If your music sucked , well that just keeps me from buying your crappy album.
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10/25/2012 01:58 AM
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Lets say I used Time Warner Roadrunner. And let's say I used Utorrent to download torrents from the more popular sites, how would I protect myself, how to get around it, never used encryption and don't know what peer block is. Of course this is all hypothetical
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10/25/2012 01:59 AM
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The old philosophy, "I wasn't going to buy it, so nobody's losing out."

It is not against the law to make backups of DVD's btw. It is however illegal, in the U.S.A., to distribute copyrighted material.

It is just a fact. I don't even care, but you are just coming off as stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


You call him stupid, yet something you say is "illegal" in the US should be punished by law....Yet, copying cassette tapes, vhs tapes, dvds, and now copying albums encoded in mp3 format and sharing with people is horrible.

I don't get it?? If you copied a VHS movie and gave it to your friend back 10 years no one would have cared and wouldn't think it was illegal. But downloading mp3s is???

Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was, but did anyone care? No? So why care about MP3s/FLAC??????
 Quoting: upgrad3


Come on now. You used to have to know someone who actually bought the product in the past. Copies degraded with each copy. More importantly, the scale of piracy is massive online, hence all the fast connections. With typical cable internet, you can download a movie in about 15 minutes. Music is only a matter of seconds. Etc. etc.

The whole copying movies took time and also reduced quality. Redistributing digital goods does not degrade quality. There used to always be poorer quality and more effort in duplication.

I never said anything about punishing anybody, in fact I said I don't care. I just want the economy to do well, and all of this will scare more people into buying what they can afford.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


I appreciate your calm reply :D

But the economy, in regards to the music/movie industry isn't doing poorly due to illegal downloads...I for one, just like many people will download a movie then go see it in the theater. Or listen to an album and then go buy it. So "piracy" really isn't hurting the industrty
 Quoting: upgrad3


Not from people like you :), but... there are plenty of those who don't follow up with the purchasing process after reviewing the product. It is undeniable.

Movie tickets this summer soared after they started cracking down, breaking ticket sales records on movies that weren't special.

That is what I am glad about.
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You call him stupid, yet something you say is "illegal" in the US should be punished by law....Yet, copying cassette tapes, vhs tapes, dvds, and now copying albums encoded in mp3 format and sharing with people is horrible.

I don't get it?? If you copied a VHS movie and gave it to your friend back 10 years no one would have cared and wouldn't think it was illegal. But downloading mp3s is???

Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was, but did anyone care? No? So why care about MP3s/FLAC??????
 Quoting: upgrad3


Come on now. You used to have to know someone who actually bought the product in the past. Copies degraded with each copy. More importantly, the scale of piracy is massive online, hence all the fast connections. With typical cable internet, you can download a movie in about 15 minutes. Music is only a matter of seconds. Etc. etc.

The whole copying movies took time and also reduced quality. Redistributing digital goods does not degrade quality. There used to always be poorer quality and more effort in duplication.

I never said anything about punishing anybody, in fact I said I don't care. I just want the economy to do well, and all of this will scare more people into buying what they can afford.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


I appreciate your calm reply :D

But the economy, in regards to the music/movie industry isn't doing poorly due to illegal downloads...I for one, just like many people will download a movie then go see it in the theater. Or listen to an album and then go buy it. So "piracy" really isn't hurting the industrty
 Quoting: upgrad3


Not from people like you :), but... there are plenty of those who don't follow up with the purchasing process after reviewing the product. It is undeniable.

Movie tickets this summer soared after they started cracking down, breaking ticket sales records on movies that weren't special.

That is what I am glad about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


Lolz! And you know what I'm glad about??? That I don't have to waste my money on horrible Hollywood movies and music label releases!

You keep spending your money thinking you are "doing the right thing".

Just remember how bad the music/movie industry is RAPING you. :D
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Lets say I used Time Warner Roadrunner. And let's say I used Utorrent to download torrents from the more popular sites, how would I protect myself, how to get around it, never used encryption and don't know what peer block is. Of course this is all hypothetical
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ISP, if i walk in on my young teenager watching porn on the internet then am i responsible for not blocking every pornographic site in the world or is it the ISP who ALLOWS it to be broadcast straight into my home unregulated that is responsible.
I know that if i do not allow my child to watch TV after 9 then due to the watershed i will never expose them to material that we collectively find unsuitable for their eyes or ears, so why does my ISP not get regulated in the same manner ? My teenager cannot just walk into any newspaper outlet and buy a porn magazine as the shop owner is ultimately responsible, not the teenager. The same can be said about selling alcohol to underagers, is it the child breaking the law for attempting to get their hands on it or is it the Shop owner for willingly putting it in their hands.
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I just want the economy to do well, and all of this will scare more people into buying what they can afford.
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i don't think its just about people being greedy, i wanted to buy something legit online & got fucked around for ages with their bullshit websites making it 100 times more complex than it needed to be.

said fuckit & found want i wanted in under a minute on torrents.

its not just greed, people are fuckin lazy & sick of having their time wasted by moron companies who don't want to just sell you something anymore they want to put their hand up your ass as well.
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But seriously you guys, the biggest trove of pirated material along with the worst of the internet is completely overlooked because most people don't know about it. One of these servers has been tried to be shut down, but it couldn't because of free speech.

Enough about this for me though.
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just a scare tactic nothing has changed all monitoring is still being done outside the isp

worse case the isp may block a site just use the ip address like they do in china

as usual don't be your own worst enemy and call some number in an email and spill the beans
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Ive gotten tons of emails from my old Iso, Cox, they even shut my Internet off a few times. They always turned it back on after I bitched them out and played dumb though.
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You call him stupid, yet something you say is "illegal" in the US should be punished by law....Yet, copying cassette tapes, vhs tapes, dvds, and now copying albums encoded in mp3 format and sharing with people is horrible.

I don't get it?? If you copied a VHS movie and gave it to your friend back 10 years no one would have cared and wouldn't think it was illegal. But downloading mp3s is???

Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was, but did anyone care? No? So why care about MP3s/FLAC??????
 Quoting: upgrad3


Come on now. You used to have to know someone who actually bought the product in the past. Copies degraded with each copy. More importantly, the scale of piracy is massive online, hence all the fast connections. With typical cable internet, you can download a movie in about 15 minutes. Music is only a matter of seconds. Etc. etc.

The whole copying movies took time and also reduced quality. Redistributing digital goods does not degrade quality. There used to always be poorer quality and more effort in duplication.

I never said anything about punishing anybody, in fact I said I don't care. I just want the economy to do well, and all of this will scare more people into buying what they can afford.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


I appreciate your calm reply :D

But the economy, in regards to the music/movie industry isn't doing poorly due to illegal downloads...I for one, just like many people will download a movie then go see it in the theater. Or listen to an album and then go buy it. So "piracy" really isn't hurting the industrty
 Quoting: upgrad3


Not from people like you :), but... there are plenty of those who don't follow up with the purchasing process after reviewing the product. It is undeniable.

Movie tickets this summer soared after they started cracking down, breaking ticket sales records on movies that weren't special.

That is what I am glad about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


what would the outcome be if the reverse happened ?

like "Movie tickets sells fell this summer fell after they started cracking down"

tomato
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bittorrent uses random sourced 16kB pieces which does not legally qualify as copying or distibuting a work

best practice privacy settings in utorrent enc. forced, uTp only, DHT on, use magnet links blanking out

trackers on import
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ISP, if i walk in on my young teenager watching porn on the internet then am i responsible for not blocking every pornographic site in the world or is it the ISP who ALLOWS it to be broadcast straight into my home unregulated that is responsible.
I know that if i do not allow my child to watch TV after 9 then due to the watershed i will never expose them to material that we collectively find unsuitable for their eyes or ears, so why does my ISP not get regulated in the same manner ? My teenager cannot just walk into any newspaper outlet and buy a porn magazine as the shop owner is ultimately responsible, not the teenager. The same can be said about selling alcohol to underagers, is it the child breaking the law for attempting to get their hands on it or is it the Shop owner for willingly putting it in their hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25811740


is it the station's fault for putting on unsuitable material after 9pm?

no, the convention is you as a parent are aware of the 9pm issue & take appropriate steps.

just as its the convention that you as a parent are aware of the unsuitable material on the internet & install appropriate software to mediate your teenager's connection.
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DOWNLOAD A CAR!
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ISP, if i walk in on my young teenager watching porn on the internet then am i responsible for not blocking every pornographic site in the world or is it the ISP who ALLOWS it to be broadcast straight into my home unregulated that is responsible.
I know that if i do not allow my child to watch TV after 9 then due to the watershed i will never expose them to material that we collectively find unsuitable for their eyes or ears, so why does my ISP not get regulated in the same manner ? My teenager cannot just walk into any newspaper outlet and buy a porn magazine as the shop owner is ultimately responsible, not the teenager. The same can be said about selling alcohol to underagers, is it the child breaking the law for attempting to get their hands on it or is it the Shop owner for willingly putting it in their hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25811740


is it the station's fault for putting on unsuitable material after 9pm?

no, the convention is you as a parent are aware of the 9pm issue & take appropriate steps.

just as its the convention that you as a parent are aware of the unsuitable material on the internet & install appropriate software to mediate your teenager's connection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26253406


If i am not aware because i am not tech savvy ? i just thought the internet was for shopping and facebook, never knew there was those kind of sites out there, they willingly allow these kinds of sites on a service they provide... ISP = Internet service provider.
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DOWNLOAD A CAR!
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Not as far fetched as it sounds.
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I read that there are basically 6 steps to this program. All warning/educational. There is no seventh step, because the companies have no intention of going beyond simple warnings. It will deter a fair number of people even if there is no actual penalty stage.,
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ISP, if i walk in on my young teenager watching porn on the internet then am i responsible for not blocking every pornographic site in the world or is it the ISP who ALLOWS it to be broadcast straight into my home unregulated that is responsible.
I know that if i do not allow my child to watch TV after 9 then due to the watershed i will never expose them to material that we collectively find unsuitable for their eyes or ears, so why does my ISP not get regulated in the same manner ? My teenager cannot just walk into any newspaper outlet and buy a porn magazine as the shop owner is ultimately responsible, not the teenager. The same can be said about selling alcohol to underagers, is it the child breaking the law for attempting to get their hands on it or is it the Shop owner for willingly putting it in their hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25811740


is it the station's fault for putting on unsuitable material after 9pm?

no, the convention is you as a parent are aware of the 9pm issue & take appropriate steps.

just as its the convention that you as a parent are aware of the unsuitable material on the internet & install appropriate software to mediate your teenager's connection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26253406


If i am not aware because i am not tech savvy ? i just thought the internet was for shopping and facebook, never knew there was those kind of sites out there, they willingly allow these kinds of sites on a service they provide... ISP = Internet service provider.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25811740


even on facebook someone could say or post something inappropriate, thats the isp's fault too?

you use glp but "couldnt imagine" there's inappropriate sites on the internet?
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Making a mix tape of stuff that was recorded from the radio back in the day, was that illegal? Technically it was
 Quoting: upgrad3


NO not criminally, not an offense against the law.
But, if the people who owned it, thought it hurt them, they have the right to try to seek compensation from you.
This does not make it ILLEGAL or LEGAL.
This is all simply about trying to take over the internet and monetize every single thing people do on it.
When the internet first started there was patent trolls trying to say they invented the internet and people would have to pay royalty fees to browse the web.
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An Australian speaking and debating United States law, yea, i accept you views as debate
 Quoting: upgrad3


FFs are you that stupid? Seriously? Find me one American arrested and charged with a crime for file sharing? Come on tough guy?

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