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Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima not dropping

"TOKYO (AP) — Radioactive cesium levels in most kinds of fish caught off the coast of Fukushima haven't declined in the year following Japan's nuclear disaster, a signal that the seafloor or leakage from the damaged reactors must be continuing to contaminate the waters — possibly threatening fisheries for decades, a researcher says."

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Re: Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima
Everyone who believed that they are going down already
is a Fool!

Also they are stirring up the Seafloor and some Areas
spec. close to the Plant get/ got a Concrete Layer!

I still eat Fish but nothing from the Ground or Fishes
who eat something from there!

But we are in a way lucky here in Tokyo
because we can get Fish from the South of America,
from the Atlantic or Antarctica, People in a small Village
can do this, they get the Fish from the Neighbour
who is a Fisherman!
G.Y.!B.E.
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People can see the Results from Tepco,
this is for a 20Km Radius around That Daiichi Plant:

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Re: Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima
Decades, ha. Try millennia.

South American atlantic fish are the only seafood that can be eaten - now and forever.
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Decades, ha. Try millennia.

South American atlantic fish are the only seafood that can be eaten - now and forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26240188


have you ever heard of "big fish, little fish"?

all of these fish and other critters are going to
get eaten by bigger critter, etc. etc., and, in
decades to come the CESIUM will migrate it's way
all around the planet (in fish)

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Re: Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima
when i posted this thread, i was curious to see if anyone
would pick-up on the BIG PROBLEM:

the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!

the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
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Decades, ha. Try millennia.

South American atlantic fish are the only seafood that can be eaten - now and forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26240188


have you ever heard of "big fish, little fish"?

all of these fish and other critters are going to
get eaten by bigger critter, etc. etc., and, in
decades to come the CESIUM will migrate it's way
all around the plant (in fish)
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Nah, c'mon!

This Caesium is not something "Endless",
by my Calculation we pass the max. Amount
already in 15o Years!
G.Y.!B.E.
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Decades, ha. Try millennia.

South American atlantic fish are the only seafood that can be eaten - now and forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26240188


have you ever heard of "big fish, little fish"?

all of these fish and other critters are going to
get eaten by bigger critter, etc. etc., and, in
decades to come the CESIUM will migrate it's way
all around the planet (in fish)
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Nah, c'mon!

This Caesium is not something "Endless",
by my Calculation we pass the max. Amount
already in 15o Years!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!

the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....

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bump
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bump
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the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!


the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


This is Bs. and Pseudo-Knowledge!

The Cooling Water is moving in a Circle,
from the Core to the Water Treatment and back,
Tepco is not using this Water only one Time
and after use they let it flow to the Ocean,
this is wrong!

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

This happen in this Way since the Re-Establishment of
the cooling Cycle!

[link to i.ytimg.com]

[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

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the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!


the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


This is Bs. and Pseudo-Knowledge!

The Cooling Water is moving in a Circle,
from the Core to the Water Treatment and back,
Tepco is not using this Water only one Time
and after use they let it flow to the Ocean,
this is wrong!

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

This happen in this Way since the Re-Establishment of
the cooling Cycle!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


bsflagbsflagbsflag

bsmeter2
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@ Op.

So desu Ka?

Please study this Accident before you are scared!

[link to www.google.co.jp]

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The ultimate water treatment system
01 August 2012

Construction of an ambitious project to decontaminate water accumulated in the basements of Fukushima Daiichi reactor and turbine buildings has begun. In its scope, throughput, and decontamination factor, the project is unprecedented in liquid radwaste management. By Will Dalrymple

Efforts to restart emergency diesel generators at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were foiled early last year by the discovery of huge amounts of highly contaminated water flooding the basements of site buildings.

Over the following months, TEPCO developed and built temporary systems for water decontamination, which started up in June 2011. Initially the temporary water treatment system used a decontamination system from AREVA and was later supplemented by one, and then two, lines of a Toshiba SARRY decontamination system. Both systems incorporated adsorption towers with ion-exchange resins to grab and immobilise radionuclides present in the water.

The systems focused primarily on removing the relatively long-lived caesium radionuclides (Cs-134, Cs-137) which accounted for a major portion of the water’s activity, in absence of radioactive iodine (I-133), whose relatively short half-life of three months was progressively reducing the risk it posed.

Over the following months, the system was improved, and a return loop with desalination added so that treated water could be used to cool the reactors.

By the end of May 2012, the system had treated 177,000 m3 of water, and, by storing the treated water in huge tank farms on site, managed to lower the flooding levels in the buildings to below the water table.

But with nearly 160,000 m3 of highly-active water stored in tanks around the site, and the continuing use of some fresh water for the 500 m3 of daily cooling injection into reactor units 1, 2 and 3, the situation is clearly unsustainable.

So TEPCO has started to build a system to treat all of the contaminated water. Three aspects of the system’s designed scope are unprecedented outside of Fukushima.

First, its processing rate. Two decontamination trains (with a third installed but idle as a backup) aim to each process 250m3/day. For comparison, the EnergySolutions Advanced Liquid Processing System (ALPS) processing system designed for the shut-down UK Bradwell nuclear power plant aims to process about 500m3/year. Although the SARRY ion-exchange system currently in operation on site can process approximately double that much, it was designed specifically to keep up with reactor injection, according to Toshiba. The new system’s operating pressure is about the same as SARRY, it said. But the SARRY system only removes caesium isotopes.

Second, the new system will remove not one, but 62 radionuclides (see Table 1). These are not all of the radionuclides present—researchers have identified more than 1000—but are the ones judged to approach the closest to regulatory maximum levels for seawater, according to Japanese reactor regulations (section six, appendix 2). The nuclides present in the system fall into three types: fission products and transuranics, which come from the fission chain reaction inside the reactor, and corrosion products: particles corroded from originally-inert equipment that has become activated (such as Fe, Co, Mn). Alpha, beta and gamma radiation emitters are all included. One notable nuclide that will not be substantially removed by this system is tritium (beta-emitter, half-life 12.5 years), which TEPCO says is difficult to remove.

Third, TEPCO has set extremely stringent decontamination factors. Water treatment processes in general do not eradicate every last active molecule; they are designed to conform to discharge limits set by the national regulator. These vary by country and radionuclide. The maximum discharge level set by TEPCO for this project is not the maximum level set by law, but an amount 100 times lower. These guidelines bring radioisotope concentrations post-treatment close to, or below, the limits of detection. The low limits should help smooth the way for government approval to eventually release the water back to the sea, although TEPCO has not yet announced any plans to do so.

The project

TEPCO chose Toshiba as the prime contractor for the so-called ‘multi-nuclide removal system’. Although officially a subcontractor, EnergySolutions is credited by Toshiba as the creator of the system concept, and will work jointly with Toshiba to supply the system to TEPCO. Other vendors will supply components, including Fortum of Finland and subcontractors to supply ion-exchange resins. R&D for the project lasted six months, culminating in a pilot test on site that verified achievement of non-detect levels of 62 radionuclides.

Table 1 shows the results of this work, listing all of the high-risk nuclides by mass number and their decontamination levels experienced by both desalinated and concentrated salt water samples. However, TEPCO warns that because the decontamination data was collected at different times in different operational set-ups, it is difficult to draw conclusions based on the differences between concentrated salinated and desalinated water decontamination results.

An upland location on a former tennis court near an office building was chosen to locate the system, and civil construction work was underway in May. According to Toshiba, system elements will be installed for several months starting this month (July), after which cold and hot testing will begin. The system should begin operation toward the end of the year. According to a late 2011 roadmap, accumulated water processing will last into at least 2020.


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There is more to read but i need to observe the 50% Rule

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Re: Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima
Everyone who believed that they are going down already
is a Fool!

Also they are stirring up the Seafloor and some Areas
spec. close to the Plant get/ got a Concrete Layer!

I still eat Fish but nothing from the Ground or Fishes
who eat something from there!

But we are in a way lucky here in Tokyo
because we can get Fish from the South of America,
from the Atlantic or Antarctica, People in a small Village
can do this, they get the Fish from the Neighbour
who is a Fisherman!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


I think you should eat it for a year Atom, just for a trial.
You can document the effects and send a report to TEPCO along with your undercover disinfo-shill reports and papers.
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the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!


the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


This is Bs. and Pseudo-Knowledge!

The Cooling Water is moving in a Circle,
from the Core to the Water Treatment and back,
Tepco is not using this Water only one Time
and after use they let it flow to the Ocean,
this is wrong!

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

This happen in this Way since the Re-Establishment of
the cooling Cycle!


 Quoting: the mighty Atom


the damn radiation levels all around that SITE are so
high, that there is no way in hell they could have ever
gotten any workers in there for long enough to construct
all of the "plumbing" necessary for such as TEPCO's
fictional water treatment system. (either last year or
today!)
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the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!


the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


This is Bs. and Pseudo-Knowledge!

The Cooling Water is moving in a Circle,
from the Core to the Water Treatment and back,
Tepco is not using this Water only one Time
and after use they let it flow to the Ocean,
this is wrong!

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

This happen in this Way since the Re-Establishment of
the cooling Cycle!


 Quoting: the mighty Atom


the damn radiation levels all around that SITE are so
high, that there is no way in hell they could have ever
gotten any workers in there for long enough to construct
all of the "plumbing" necessary for such as TEPCO's
fictional water treatment system. (either last year or
today!)
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Okay, you Won!

Facepalm

All is just wishful thinking and a Projection,
we all Hallucinate here in Nippon because of Radiation!
G.Y.!B.E.
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the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!


the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


This is Bs. and Pseudo-Knowledge!

The Cooling Water is moving in a Circle,
from the Core to the Water Treatment and back,
Tepco is not using this Water only one Time
and after use they let it flow to the Ocean,
this is wrong!

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

This happen in this Way since the Re-Establishment of
the cooling Cycle!


 Quoting: the mighty Atom


the damn radiation levels all around that SITE are so
high, that there is no way in hell they could have ever
gotten any workers in there for long enough to construct
all of the "plumbing" necessary for such as TEPCO's
fictional water treatment system. (either last year or
today!)
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Okay, you Won!

Facepalm

All is just wishful thinking and a Projection,
we all Hallucinate here in Nippon because of Radiation!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


boy, you and your handlers are really in a panic about
my assertions in this thread. right?
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The People who are interested know it already
but all the other ones are free to research it by and for them self!

You can use every Search Engine and use every Magazine
which is Reliable!


Stop the Ignorance, knowledge is the only Weapon!
G.Y.!B.E.
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Re: Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima
Can even start here:

10 workers spent 2 minutes each to fix the PVC joint that broke off in AREVA's unit at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant on July 13, according to Asahi (link is in Japanese). The air radiation level at the location is 100 to 150 millisieverts/hour. For 2 minutes work, a worker could have received 5 millisieverts radiation.

The on-again-off-again water treatment system is finally on again, but at this point all TEPCO cares about is probably that these Kurion-AREVA units keep hobbling along, at least processing the amount of water that's being injected into the RPVs (Reactors 1, 2 and 3) so that the highly contaminated water in the reactor and turbine buildings does not increase.

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TV: Could radioactivity levels in US tuna go up even? Are fish headed here with higher levels? (VIDEO)

Title: Radioactive traces from Japan found in NW albacore tuna
Source: NWCN
Date: Oct. 25, 2012

Reporter: The researchers point out these are preliminary findings. They plan to do more studies on albacore tuna in the future.

Anchor: Which leads to I’m sure many to ask — Is there a chance that this gets worse? Is there fish headed this way with higher levels perhaps?

Reporter: Well Joe that’s one of the reasons these researchers want to do more tests over the coming years. They want to see how those radiation levels fluctuate. Could they go up even? Of course eventually they expect the levels to return back to normal.

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The incident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant released a substantial radioactive contamination into the environment. With the predominant wind and current flow in this part of the North Pacific, these radionuclides will gradually spread to the US West Coast waters after a suitable period of time, with the possibility of affecting food quality throughout the food web (including humans).

[SNIP]

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Thread: >>>Just In<<< More US Tuna Contaminated—Study: Entire food web “including humans” may be affected as Fukushima radionuclides spread
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Congress: Radiation might be detected in U.S. waters — “Could remain a valid concern for years” — Potential for corridor of “highly contaminated” water traveling away from Japan

[...] there remains the slight potential for a relatively narrow corridor of highly contaminated water leading away from Japan and a very patchy distribution of contaminated fish&#8213;extensive monitoring will determine the exact dispersion of these radioactive contaminants. [...]


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Thread: Congress: Radiation might be detected in U.S. waters “Could remain a valid concern for years” Potential for corridor of “highly contaminated”
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Nobody ever tests Alaska and Fukushima fallout made a beeline in that direction!!
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Yeah. Alaska, Canada, Seattle, & Portland were hit for sure. And it's still coming.
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Gundersen: If in Oregon, Wash., Calif. you need to demand officials test how Fukushima fallout has affected rivers and fish — Significant radiation hit west coast and settled in on Cascades (VIDEO)

At 53:35 in

I think if you’re on the west coast and the Cascades you need to demand more of your — you know Oregon, Washington State, California — of your local officials, or of the federal government, to look into what’s in the fish.

Not just the saltwater fish [...] but also what’s rained out on the land and is now in the local rivers.
At 55:10 in

It was a wave… significant radiation hit the west coast and sort of settled in on the Cascades.

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I think one of the main Problems in a "International Discussion"
is the definition of "How much is tooooo much"!

Thai People would say "Mai Pen Rai"
and People from Boulder/ Colorado would make Suicide!

For me as a European, who experienced already Chernobyl
and the Amounts of that Time, everything under 500 Bq is
"eatable", for me but not for Babies and Children!

20Bq for Babies and 50Bq for Kids,
100Bq until fully grown up (25 Years)
That is my max. Level!


Zero Bq. is a Illusion and will not come back for a very, very long Time,
in my Opinion not even in this Cycle of "Our Mankind"!

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@ Op.,

it is really not "that much" Water,
in the last Weeks it is ca. 450 Cubic Meter
a 24 Hours all together!
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@ Op.,

it is really not "that much" Water,
in the last Weeks it is ca. 450 Cubic Meter
a 24 Hours all together!
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well, the IAEA says it's 580 cubic meters, but that
still doesn't make it true.
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Everyone who believed that they are going down already
is a Fool!

Also they are stirring up the Seafloor and some Areas
spec. close to the Plant get/ got a Concrete Layer!

I still eat Fish but nothing from the Ground or Fishes
who eat something from there!

But we are in a way lucky here in Tokyo
because we can get Fish from the South of America,
from the Atlantic or Antarctica, People in a small Village
can do this, they get the Fish from the Neighbour
who is a Fisherman!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom



Costa Rican fish is good and safe, and I love my atlantic coast seafood as well I am glad to know you are staying away from the pacific fish and seaweed. Take care, you!!!
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IAEA Fukushima Daiichi Status Reports

[link to www.iaea.org]
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Decades, ha. Try millennia.

South American atlantic fish are the only seafood that can be eaten - now and forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26240188


have you ever heard of "big fish, little fish"?

all of these fish and other critters are going to
get eaten by bigger critter, etc. etc., and, in
decades to come the CESIUM will migrate it's way
all around the planet (in fish)
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


Nah, c'mon!

This Caesium is not something "Endless",
by my Calculation we pass the max. Amount
already in 15o Years!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


the Big Problem is that they are having to pump such a
humongous volume of cooling water on all of the Corium that
their "water treatment Facility" cannot keep-up with the
load, and ever since last year TEPCO has been dumping all
of this *radioactive cooling water* right back into the Ocean!

the result: Cesium, Cesium, Cesium.....
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Cesium levels in fish off Fukushima not dropping

"TOKYO (AP) — Radioactive cesium levels in most kinds of fish caught off the coast of Fukushima haven't declined in the year following Japan's nuclear disaster, a signal that the seafloor or leakage from the damaged reactors must be continuing to contaminate the waters — possibly threatening fisheries for decades, a researcher says."

[link to news.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: Dr Einstein


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