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BREAKING- October Surprise Drops! Obama Denied Help For Besieged Benghazi Consulate AT LEAST TWICE, In Real Time!

 
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Sure...if I read it on a website...I'll believe it. No link just hysteria and right-wing teeth-nashing.

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Sure...if I read it on a website...I'll believe it. No link just hysteria and right-wing teeth-nashing.

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You can't use google or what?
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I actually think Obama is so intent to deny any jihad attacks against Americans on his watch that he will lie cheat & steal


Ft.Hood classified as 'workplace violence'

911 Benghazi attack 'mob reaction to a video'
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bump
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...so let me get this right.

The CIA makes the decision to not send in aid to possibly limit escalation or avoid being drawn into a potential trap. There is a multitude of reasons... including the typical "let it happen so we can have an excuse later to increase force deployment". Obama trusts his CIA advisers who may not have been relaying all of the information in real time to him. Who knows what he is actually told? ...but he relies on the advice on intel he is given and decided not to over ride decisions being made by the CIA.

Ok... so Obama is responsible ultimately because he is president but what makes you all think that Mitt would have done anything different based on advice given him by the CIA. What makes you think Obama was even aware of any requests for support? They were likely trying to downplay the severity of the attack and at one point had even thought the attack was over.

I point the blame at those within the chain of command and the usual bullshit political reasons for not doing something that should be reflexive. I do not blame those at the very top of the chain as they often have to rely on advisers and intel that is often delayed and incomplete.

Confusion in the chain may also likely be the cause for delayed response.

...and weren't demonstrators protesting at the same time this attack occurred? To send in forces when no clear enemy is identified may have resulted in a much larger incident involving the death of many non-combatants ...and you can only imagine what that may have escalated into. Full involvement in the region? War?

The weighting of these factors does not occur to those outside of the chain... but once you are in that seat choices such as these must be carefully considered.
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Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”



So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision.

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Sure...if I read it on a website...I'll believe it. No link just hysteria and right-wing teeth-nashing.

propoganda
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You can't use google or what?
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People can see the circle jerk repeating what they said to each other. This doesn't constitute research or authenticity.
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Sure...if I read it on a website...I'll believe it. No link just hysteria and right-wing teeth-nashing.

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Makes me wonder why those lives weren't worth saving, or to rephrase this statement, why was he killed? What did he know and what was he going to uncover? That is what comes to my mind.
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His campaign and image were more important to him that those men's lives.

Take note, soldiers.
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exactly this ^^^^^. take note soldiers. you are expendable. which of you is next?
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Watch the damage control disinfo groups really try to go to work on this one. It's unraveling faster than they can compensate. The Intel Community has had it with being made looking like incompetent scapegoats. They're fighting back and BHO and his Administration are up shit creek without a paddle.


Sucks to be them.
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does anyone have a link, credible or otherwise, to suggest the ambassador was supposed to be kidnapped...then released just before the election?

This is a BIG DEAL.

Let's don't joke about this or put out one liner GP bullshit...if this is true we arein deep doodoo people...this is our commander in chief that is being accused of outrageous behavior...

How is this breaking? Who is breaking it?
 Quoting: ScienceOnly 24013077


Not the one I read but another view... [link to www.freerepublic.com]

Could it be that Gun Running negotiations went bad and that some kind of an "October Surprize" was "supposed" to happen in Benghazi? After the kidnapping we would have seen an outraged Obama, stoked up and rightously indignant over this, on National TV claiming it would not be tolerated and that we would secure the release of Stevens. He would maybe even have "suspended his campaign to deal with it...for all Americans to see.

Then October would have been full of "that" story, and you can bet it would invariably have led to a Stevens release just before the election.

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Posted on 26/10/2012 1:26:31 AM by Jeff Head

Saddletramp, How The CIA Broke It Off In Obama's October Surprise...
10/16/2012 02:04 PM
Thread: How The CIA Broke It Off In Obama's October Surprise...

The answer is this: Jarrett wanted an October Surprise that would make Obama look like a hero prior to the elections, so they arranged to have Stevens (a close friend of Obama's) go to Benghazi where he and his military trained security detail would be taken captive by protestors that stormed the consulate because of the obscure youtube video, Obama would then coming riding to the rescue and free the Ambassador and his team to the cheers and adoration of the American electorate...

This GLP poster made this theory up a full 10 days before the freerepublic made the same speculation.

Cool.
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What a tangled web we weave...

Dishonest people will always bring themselves down in the company of better people than they are. The question remains who are they bringing down with them?
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dcomp LINK! SOURCE!
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Watch the damage control disinfo groups really try to go to work on this one. It's unraveling faster than they can compensate. The Intel Community has had it with being made looking like incompetent scapegoats. They're fighting back and BHO and his Administration are up shit creek without a paddle.


Sucks to be them.
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They don't need damage control because nobody is reporting it. It's front page on Fox News, but I can't find it anywhere else.
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dcomp LINK! SOURCE!
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it's the election, stupid. They dont need no friggin link.
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...and weren't demonstrators protesting at the same time this attack occurred? To send in forces when no clear enemy is identified may have resulted in a much larger incident involving the death of many non-combatants ...and you can only imagine what that may have escalated into. Full involvement in the region? War?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


The State Department account from 10/10/2012, which I summarized above, as reported by R**ters & Foreign Policy magazine, said there was no protests outside the consulate at 9:40 (when the attack began).

The scene became a free for all with looters taking everything, but they arrived after the gun battle/fires...

I would suggest that anyone interested in the Benghazi attack read the r**ters article - it is still just about the most complete account out there...
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If the CIA put out a statement like that then it is obvious all the blame lies with White House!!!!
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dcomp LINK! SOURCE!
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it's the election, stupid. They dont need no friggin link.
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[link to www.foxnews.com]
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Cool story brah.

No link. . .

This is just fairy tales and propaganda.

Your name only pretends to be ironic, 'pravda', you parasitic sociopath.
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go trim your mustache michelle
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This makes me sad for the victims families...

To lose a loved one, then hear they asked for help from our government and were denied....

Obama literally hung them out to dry..
 Quoting: *Evan*


The voters are about to hang him out to dry on 6 Nov.

Even the Liberal Media polls are showing Romney ahead & getting stronger.
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What about in Ohio?

That's the big one.
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If Ohio goes to Obama then people should steer clear of Ohio - leave them to fend for themselves and use your money elsewhere in responsible states who care about America.
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dcomp LINK! SOURCE!
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it's the election, stupid. They dont need no friggin link.
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[link to www.foxnews.com]
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FOX didnt invent the "kidnap Stevens, Obama to the rescue" theory. A GLP poster did. The theory that local assets in Benghazi need presidential authority to defend themselves, is pure right-wing blogosphere fantasy.
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This makes me sad for the victims families...

To lose a loved one, then hear they asked for help from our government and were denied....

Obama literally hung them out to dry..
 Quoting: *Evan*


The voters are about to hang him out to dry on 6 Nov.

Even the Liberal Media polls are showing Romney ahead & getting stronger.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


What about in Ohio?

That's the big one.
 Quoting: *Evan*


If Ohio goes to Obama then people should steer clear of Ohio - leave them to fend for themselves and use your money elsewhere in responsible states who care about America.
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I think we should just avoid the US no matter who is elected.
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...so let me get this right.

The CIA makes the decision to not send in aid to possibly limit escalation or avoid being drawn into a potential trap. There is a multitude of reasons... including the typical "let it happen so we can have an excuse later to increase force deployment". Obama trusts his CIA advisers who may not have been relaying all of the information in real time to him. Who knows what he is actually told? ...but he relies on the advice on intel he is given and decided not to over ride decisions being made by the CIA.

Ok... so Obama is responsible ultimately because he is president but what makes you all think that Mitt would have done anything different based on advice given him by the CIA. What makes you think Obama was even aware of any requests for support? They were likely trying to downplay the severity of the attack and at one point had even thought the attack was over.

I point the blame at those within the chain of command and the usual bullshit political reasons for not doing something that should be reflexive. I do not blame those at the very top of the chain as they often have to rely on advisers and intel that is often delayed and incomplete.

Confusion in the chain may also likely be the cause for delayed response.

...and weren't demonstrators protesting at the same time this attack occurred? To send in forces when no clear enemy is identified may have resulted in a much larger incident involving the death of many non-combatants ...and you can only imagine what that may have escalated into. Full involvement in the region? War?

The weighting of these factors does not occur to those outside of the chain... but once you are in that seat choices such as these must be carefully considered.
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Yeah just keep trying to sell that crap.
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If the CIA put out a statement like that then it is obvious all the blame lies with White House!!!!
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How so? They are responding to a story that they did not respond for calls to help Stevens. They did not "not respond" -- typical spook double speak.
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it's the election, stupid. They dont need no friggin link.
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...


The voters are about to hang him out to dry on 6 Nov.

Even the Liberal Media polls are showing Romney ahead & getting stronger.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


What about in Ohio?

That's the big one.
 Quoting: *Evan*


If Ohio goes to Obama then people should steer clear of Ohio - leave them to fend for themselves and use your money elsewhere in responsible states who care about America.
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I think we should just avoid the US no matter who is elected.
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Mexicans avoiding the US - illegal immigration problem solved.
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it's the election, stupid. They dont need no friggin link.
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[link to www.foxnews.com]
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THANKS! much appreciated
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your welcome
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Mormons will baptise those that died, everything is fine. They were not true believing Mormons in their short lives, but now that they are dead, they are true Mormons.

When Romney is president, nationwide Mormon baptisms will be common, even from the oval office.

Romney will be the best president. All of his executive orders will be done with seer-stone in hand.

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...


What about in Ohio?

That's the big one.
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If Ohio goes to Obama then people should steer clear of Ohio - leave them to fend for themselves and use your money elsewhere in responsible states who care about America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18813251


I think we should just avoid the US no matter who is elected.
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Mexicans avoiding the US - illegal immigration problem solved.
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Yes, for sure.
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Watch the damage control disinfo groups really try to go to work on this one. It's unraveling faster than they can compensate. The Intel Community has had it with being made looking like incompetent scapegoats. They're fighting back and BHO and his Administration are up shit creek without a paddle.


Sucks to be them.
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The MSM is still for the most part not doing their job{because of the damned election}. It needs more coverage but it will all come out and I hope there are consequences for whomever chose not to go to the aid of our people over there. Someone inside needs to break ranks and spill the beans which I'd bet will happen pretty soon.
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The CIA stood down twice because the fighting died down twice. And right now there is some soldiers facing off the Taliban in Afganistan, but who cant engage them since Obama didnt order them too. Their dead because they are too stupid to think for themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26222015


WTF are you talking about? They will engage because such engagements are already authorized. If it weren't, they'd do it anyway like the soldiers did in the Benghazi attack.

Getting air support in a country where there isn't a war zone (though, I'd still consider it one personally) requires direct authorization. You can't expect a gunship to start firing in a foreign nation without authorization, let alone flying into such a country. Being denied this aid during the 4 hour battle is absurd.
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You think NATO is subservient to local militias? Hardly. They have airbases and lots of military hardware. And yes it is a warzone, or at least the war continues in country. And they dont need to fly "into the country" since they are already there. And of course they can fire their guns to their hearts content esp to respond to hostile attack. Read Rules of engagement. Common sense. Local commanders can employ those assets, for sure. Even if Obama was to micromanage from the White House, he would do so by consulting with local commanders.

Your belief in the story of Obama's active interference hangs on many assumptions which simply arent true.

We could pretend Obama made a call to local commanders just before or after Stevens made a call for help, and ordered them to "stand down". Afterall, the evidence for such a call is right here on GLP and no where else. Totally fabricated evidence, but evidence nevertheless...
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i get the impression that barry's trouser snake has tickled your tonsils

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