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BREAKING- October Surprise Drops! Obama Denied Help For Besieged Benghazi Consulate AT LEAST TWICE, In Real Time!

 
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Arent special ops, spooks swarming Benghazi responsible for anything?
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The CIA stood down twice because the fighting died down twice. And right now there is some soldiers facing off the Taliban in Afganistan, but who cant engage them since Obama didnt order them too. Their dead because they are too stupid to think for themselves.
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WTF are you talking about? They will engage because such engagements are already authorized. If it weren't, they'd do it anyway like the soldiers did in the Benghazi attack.

Getting air support in a country where there isn't a war zone (though, I'd still consider it one personally) requires direct authorization. You can't expect a gunship to start firing in a foreign nation without authorization, let alone flying into such a country. Being denied this aid during the 4 hour battle is absurd.
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You think NATO is subservient to local militias? Hardly. They have airbases and lots of military hardware. And yes it is a warzone, or at least the war continues in country. And they dont need to fly "into the country" since they are already there. And of course they can fire their guns to their hearts content esp to respond to hostile attack. Read Rules of engagement. Common sense. Local commanders can employ those assets, for sure. Even if Obama was to micromanage from the White House, he would do so by consulting with local commanders.

Your belief in the story of Obama's active interference hangs on many assumptions which simply arent true.

We could pretend Obama made a call to local commanders just before or after Stevens made a call for help, and ordered them to "stand down". Afterall, the evidence for such a call is right here on GLP and no where else. Totally fabricated evidence, but evidence nevertheless...
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Typical low brow attack by a low life. I could care less which idiot you idiots elect.
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according to the expert they had on john bachelor last night, it was Iran not just Al-queda, so watch out fellow Americans....it's coming. But on a patriotic good note, those two former Navy SEALS they went anyways....fucking awesome...proud to be retired Navy!!!! an an American.



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For those that lack reading comprehension, the CIA simply said that nobody was refused help, they did the best they could do with the situation and there were many lives saved because of it.
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Watch the damage control disinfo groups really try to go to work on this one. It's unraveling faster than they can compensate. The Intel Community has had it with being made looking like incompetent scapegoats. They're fighting back and BHO and his Administration are up shit creek without a paddle.


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They don't need damage control because nobody is reporting it. It's front page on Fox News, but I can't find it anywhere else.
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Ya... I would like to see another news source reporting this.

Fox's "sources" are anything but reliable.

I would not be surprised if it was pure made up BS.

...and to tell these lies to the father of that one soldier who died to get a emotional reaction from him in a phone interview is despicable. We will see what other sources can dig up to validate or invalidate this story.

If Fox's sources are exclusively talking to them and nobody else then I am going to have to call
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I did not see a link that said Obama denied help for Benghazi ?



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...and weren't demonstrators protesting at the same time this attack occurred? To send in forces when no clear enemy is identified may have resulted in a much larger incident involving the death of many non-combatants ...and you can only imagine what that may have escalated into. Full involvement in the region? War?

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The State Department account from 10/10/2012, which I summarized above, as reported by R**ters & Foreign Policy magazine, said there was no protests outside the consulate at 9:40 (when the attack began).

The scene became a free for all with looters taking everything, but they arrived after the gun battle/fires...

I would suggest that anyone interested in the Benghazi attack read the r**ters article - it is still just about the most complete account out there...
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Thank you... I take it links from their site are a bannable offense such as from so many other sites?
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Because Obama and his handlers didn't want footage of AMERICANS KILLING MUZZIES on TV during the election!!

THEY FOUGHT FOR SEVEN HOURS, only to be left to die by the Queer Media Messiah, afraid of what the morning news shows would say! The Lame Stream Media can't ignore this one if it pans out to be true....

This confirms my initial reaction...
Obama likely pounded the table and declared:
“We will NOT inject American forces into another mid-East country and create the impression we’re involved in a civil war!”

From there, these bastards set about inventing excuses.

Jennifer Griffin reported that every request for permission/authorization to aid those in the consulate was denied. These requests were not just made by those in the annex, but by several units that had mobilized, waiting for the go.

All requests to offer support was met with “STAND DOWN” from the Obama White Hut.

So now we know that the military WAS activated, and were told they could not do what they are trained to do in this kind of situation.

And since the SEALs were right there, and told not to do anything, at the very least their denial of permission wasn’t an issue of crossing into Libyan territory. Somebody was not allowing ANYBODY to try to help.

Obama Denied, Americans Died!

Panetta Denied, Soldiers Died!

Pick one, folks!

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Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

. . .It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?


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Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

. . .It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?


[link to www.weeklystandard.com]
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A lot of this radio message traffic for Spec ops is usually recorded. Plus some of the emaisl and cables have been released. You also have the drone video.

If you want to believe no one knew anything, I got some ocean property to sell in in Arizona.
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Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

. . .It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?


[link to www.weeklystandard.com]
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Like you believe anything from the CIA.

The cover up is in FULL SWING. Everyone is running for the hills trying NOT to be blamed for doing NOTHING and letting 4 people, including a US Ambassador die.

This isn't over, it will get legs.
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For those that lack reading comprehension, the CIA simply said that nobody was refused help, they did the best they could do with the situation and there were many lives saved because of it.
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Now you people believe the CIA? Every other thread on this website bashes the CIA, now they're credible. You people crack me up!

Carry on
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Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

. . .It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it?


[link to www.weeklystandard.com]
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The rationale is very simple - but noone wants to face it - because then they'd have to act.
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For those that lack reading comprehension, the CIA simply said that nobody was refused help, they did the best they could do with the situation and there were many lives saved because of it.
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Now you people believe the CIA? Every other thread on this website bashes the CIA, now they're credible. You people crack me up!

Carry on
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slippery slope but I would take their word over the current administration
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For those that lack reading comprehension, the CIA simply said that nobody was refused help, they did the best they could do with the situation and there were many lives saved because of it.
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Now you people believe the CIA? Every other thread on this website bashes the CIA, now they're credible. You people crack me up!

Carry on
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The fifth column inside the US government - of which Barack Obama is the manchurian head - are all responsible. He issued the stand down orders. It's that simple. The buck stops with him. End of story.
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This makes me sad for the victims families...

To lose a loved one, then hear they asked for help from our government and were denied....

Obama literally hung them out to dry..
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For those that lack reading comprehension, the CIA simply said that nobody was refused help, they did the best they could do with the situation and there were many lives saved because of it.
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Now you people believe the CIA? Every other thread on this website bashes the CIA, now they're credible. You people crack me up!

Carry on
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slippery slope but I would take their word over the current administration
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^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
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For those that lack reading comprehension, the CIA simply said that nobody was refused help, they did the best they could do with the situation and there were many lives saved because of it.
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Now you people believe the CIA? Every other thread on this website bashes the CIA, now they're credible. You people crack me up!

Carry on
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slippery slope but I would take their word over the current administration
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Me, too. They aren't trying desperately to be re-elected. THe one who is is the one with the motive to lie and coverup. Plus he does it all the blessed time about everything under the sun so why would he suddenly be telling the truth just about this?
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All this begs a simple simple question. Why the hell would Bama NOT HELP???? Why would he purposely let these people die? Sorry OP, I don't but the muzzies dying on TV theory. We already know Drones and Special Forces were used in conjunction with Al Queada forces to overthrow daffy duck in Libya. We already know there are US troops killing muzzies every day in other parts of the middle east.

The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is that Glen Beck is right. Obama is funneling arms to Al Queada to arm rebels to overthrow Syria and other countries in the middle east. He had to do nothing and he had to cover it up lest Americans find out he's purposely arming our sworn enemies to do his will in the middle east.

If he gets caught its treason pure and simple. Imagine if one of those shoulder fired stinger missile makes it way back here. The damn terrorist will use it to shoot down an airliner.

This isn't funny stuff folks. This is probably the largest scandal we've ever faced. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE MUST BE TRIED FOR TREASON!
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^^^^ THIS ..... all of it.


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Words really cannot express how unqualified this man is to hold the office of President.

He is, by all evidence, The Ultimate Fucktard In All The Land.

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Words really cannot express how unqualified this man is to hold the office of President.

He is, by all evidence, The Ultimate Fucktard In All The Land.

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Words really cannot express how unqualified this man is to hold the office of President.

He is, by all evidence, The Ultimate Fucktard In All The Land.

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———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Dave H
Date: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Subject: AC-130U Gunship was On-Scene in Benghazi, Obama Admin Refused to Let It Fire
To:
If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not an American:

The security officer (SEAL) had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.


There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.

The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Kunduz

It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types, including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the administration had let it fire. As the excerpt above clearly shows, we had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.

An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.

There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors, and synthetic aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the dark of night, clouds, and smoke.

The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm Gatling gun for area suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can engage hard targets.

What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the terrorists and saving American lives.

See video of AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise

Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise. The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.


[link to www.youtube.com]

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One thing is clear.....

this Pravda is as much a joke as the Communist Russian Pravda.
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WTF are you talking about? They will engage because such engagements are already authorized. If it weren't, they'd do it anyway like the soldiers did in the Benghazi attack.

Getting air support in a country where there isn't a war zone (though, I'd still consider it one personally) requires direct authorization. You can't expect a gunship to start firing in a foreign nation without authorization, let alone flying into such a country. Being denied this aid during the 4 hour battle is absurd.
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You think NATO is subservient to local militias? Hardly. They have airbases and lots of military hardware. And yes it is a warzone, or at least the war continues in country. And they dont need to fly "into the country" since they are already there. And of course they can fire their guns to their hearts content esp to respond to hostile attack. Read Rules of engagement. Common sense. Local commanders can employ those assets, for sure. Even if Obama was to micromanage from the White House, he would do so by consulting with local commanders.

Your belief in the story of Obama's active interference hangs on many assumptions which simply arent true.

We could pretend Obama made a call to local commanders just before or after Stevens made a call for help, and ordered them to "stand down". Afterall, the evidence for such a call is right here on GLP and no where else. Totally fabricated evidence, but evidence nevertheless...
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i get the impression that barry's trouser snake has tickled your tonsils
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Typical low brow attack by a low life. I could care less which idiot you idiots elect.
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and yet here you are in another thread shilling away.
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All this begs a simple simple question. Why the hell would Bama NOT HELP???? Why would he purposely let these people die? Sorry OP, I don't but the muzzies dying on TV theory. We already know Drones and Special Forces were used in conjunction with Al Queada forces to overthrow daffy duck in Libya. We already know there are US troops killing muzzies every day in other parts of the middle east.

The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is that Glen Beck is right. Obama is funneling arms to Al Queada to arm rebels to overthrow Syria and other countries in the middle east. He had to do nothing and he had to cover it up lest Americans find out he's purposely arming our sworn enemies to do his will in the middle east.

If he gets caught its treason pure and simple. Imagine if one of those shoulder fired stinger missile makes it way back here. The damn terrorist will use it to shoot down an airliner.

This isn't funny stuff folks. This is probably the largest scandal we've ever faced. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE MUST BE TRIED FOR TREASON!
 Quoting: Squatch Hunter


^^^^ THIS ..... all of it.


5 stars.


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Somewhere in all this I heard very early on that there are 20,000 SAM missiles missing in Libya and that Obama was trying desperately to find them and get them back before they fell into the wrong hands. If I can find it again will post a link.
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One thing is clear.....

this Pravda is as much a joke as the Communist Russian Pravda.
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I grew up during the Watergate era. I saw the Liberal press go after Nixon like ravenous wolves for lying about a break in. Here, we have a President that was either criminally negligent or incompetent and people died!

If Obama gets re-elected, immediate Impeachment. If he loses, Romney needs to clean house at the DOJ then place criminal charges.

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OK, here we go. . .

U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner.

But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.

“Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-California, a member of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy and Transportation Committee.

The nightmare has been made real with the discovery in Libya that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.

The missiles, four to six-feet long and Russian-made, can weigh just 55 pounds with launcher. They lock on to the heat generated by the engines of aircraft, can be fired from a vehicle or from a combatant’s shoulder, and are accurate and deadly at a range of more than two miles.

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]

But it is quoting an abc news article.

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Re: BREAKING- October Surprise Drops! Obama Denied Help For Besieged Benghazi Consulate AT LEAST TWICE, In Real Time!
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CBS News correspondent Elizabeth Palmer reported last week on the efforts of a non-profit attempting to secure those munitions - a MAG team funded by the U.S. State Department's Office of Weapons Removal and Abatement.

. . .Peter Bouckaert of Human Rights Watch has been talking about the issues for many months now.

He recently told the Associated Press that lots of munitions appear to have been hidden in civilian buildings to avoid airstrikes by NATO.

At one unguarded site, Bouckaert said he found 100,000 anti-tank and anti-personnel mines. Elsewhere, he found weapons caches hidden under fruit trees.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy

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