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BREAKING- October Surprise Drops! Obama Denied Help For Besieged Benghazi Consulate AT LEAST TWICE, In Real Time!

 
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Because Obama and his handlers didn't want footage of AMERICANS KILLING MUZZIES on TV during the election!!

THEY FOUGHT FOR SEVEN HOURS, only to be left to die by the Queer Media Messiah, afraid of what the morning news shows would say! The Lame Stream Media can't ignore this one if it pans out to be true....

This confirms my initial reaction...
Obama likely pounded the table and declared:
“We will NOT inject American forces into another mid-East country and create the impression we’re involved in a civil war!”

From there, these bastards set about inventing excuses.

Jennifer Griffin reported that every request for permission/authorization to aid those in the consulate was denied. These requests were not just made by those in the annex, but by several units that had mobilized, waiting for the go.

All requests to offer support was met with “STAND DOWN” from the Obama White Hut.

So now we know that the military WAS activated, and were told they could not do what they are trained to do in this kind of situation.

And since the SEALs were right there, and told not to do anything, at the very least their denial of permission wasn’t an issue of crossing into Libyan territory. Somebody was not allowing ANYBODY to try to help.

Obama Denied, Americans Died!

Panetta Denied, Soldiers Died!

Pick one, folks!

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because I'm ready to grind my teeth down to stubs.


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obongo is a mooslimf*ckwit and does not want to betray his muzzie allies.

panetta is a communist, from a long line of communists trying to degrade the US military in strength and worldwide stature.

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this was a false flag operation for sure. Except it was a staged kidnapping where Obama could trade the blind sheik for the Ambassador. Only Obama didn't count on the navy seals to step up and defend the embassy. Obama had a motive, a stupid youtube video that caused a demonstration. He had the drone overhead to follow the kidnappers in case they wandered off script. He had the military close by to swoop in and rescue the ambassador if the trade went south. We even have the kidnappers torching the compound to hide any pre-arranged evidence of the kidnapping. We had Susan Rice going out and staying on script even though the evidence didn't support her story. We even have CBS editing their interview with Obama to maintain the video caused the demonstration ruse. Time to drain the swamp, vote out Obama next week.
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Birth certificate, Stimulus cronyism, College records, Communist mentors, unconstitutional Executive orders and recess appointments, Gun Running, Voter fraud and intimidation, Secret Muslim, Secret Gay, Death Panels. None of these amounted to anything. You're still grasping for straws.
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None of it amounted to anything because the media either chose to ignore the issues or cover them in their usual extremely biased way. When Bush screwed up the media beat the wardrums 24/7 and you damn sure knew what he did. With Obama, they look the other way and scratch themselves...
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The one thing that always surprises me when "so-called" experts talk about the attack in Benghazi is that they completely ignore the underlying conditions in Libya...

Libya is a powder keg with periodic explosions. Any military action by the US would have lit a fuse....Who would have been burned? The US-installed, US citizen, Libyan ex-pats who have been nominally governing Libya since the fall of Gaddafi. This might have been a case of save the ambassador, lose the country....(save 4 Americans, lose several thousand)

In the midst of all the crime, inter-militia brawls, & looting sorties, there have been multiple instances of militia groups battling militias from rival tribes & ethnic groups (mini civil wars)

Yesterday, I compiled a partial list of the battles for my Bani Walid thread..

Here are the ones I remember -
Bani Walid - October 2012 - 600+ dead (count unknown)
Brak al Shati - September 2012 - 22 dead [link to www.libyaherald.com]
Kufra - July 2012 - 47 dead [link to english.alarabiya.net]
Shegaygah - June, 2012 - 105 killed [link to bbc.in]
Jabal Nafusa - June 2012 - 14 killed [link to www.panapress.com]
Murzuq - May 2012 - 10 killed. [link to humanrightsinvestigations.org]
Ghadames - May 2012 - 13 killed [link to www.liveleak.com]
Zuwara - April 2012 - 26 died. [link to articles.chicagotribune.com]
Sabha - March 2012 - 160 killed [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Wouldn't you think long & hard before sending troops in the middle of this cl*sterf*ck? Especially if you had reports that all staff were safely ensconced in "safe havens"
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Obama: 'Not personally aware' of security requests before Libya attack

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“The buck never got here! You muss be a RASSISS!” - Barack HUSSEIN Obama

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They didnt deny antyhing. Its even worse: The CIA PLANNED it.


I was among the first who said this on GLP, but americans are dumbfucked and brainwashed.

Classic False Flag Operation we had there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26347105


Totally agree - how do they explain a drone monitoring it and sending a live feed to the WH Situation room in real-time if it wasn't planned? A drone "just happened to be there"?
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They had to send a second drone becaue the first one had 'problems' - meaning it was likely shot down.
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Would.have been nice if they'd have sent one with a gun on it...
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You think NATO is subservient to local militias? Hardly. They have airbases and lots of military hardware. And yes it is a warzone, or at least the war continues in country. And they dont need to fly "into the country" since they are already there. And of course they can fire their guns to their hearts content esp to respond to hostile attack. Read Rules of engagement. Common sense. Local commanders can employ those assets, for sure. Even if Obama was to micromanage from the White House, he would do so by consulting with local commanders.

Your belief in the story of Obama's active interference hangs on many assumptions which simply arent true.

We could pretend Obama made a call to local commanders just before or after Stevens made a call for help, and ordered them to "stand down". Afterall, the evidence for such a call is right here on GLP and no where else. Totally fabricated evidence, but evidence nevertheless...
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i get the impression that barry's trouser snake has tickled your tonsils
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Typical low brow attack by a low life. I could care less which idiot you idiots elect.
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and yet here you are in another thread shilling away.
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The US is yours and the world is mine. The story is Libyan. So fuck off...
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OK, here we go. . .

U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner.

But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.

“Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-California, a member of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy and Transportation Committee.

The nightmare has been made real with the discovery in Libya that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.

The missiles, four to six-feet long and Russian-made, can weigh just 55 pounds with launcher. They lock on to the heat generated by the engines of aircraft, can be fired from a vehicle or from a combatant’s shoulder, and are accurate and deadly at a range of more than two miles.

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]

But it is quoting an abc news article.
 Quoting: Bluebird


There's also this: In fact, the Benghazi airport was closed after hostile militias fired missiles at U.S. drones.


[link to nationalinterest.org]


..which could give cover for Obama's - likely through Panetta - stand down order. Were they afraid US gunships would be shot down if, in the process of the attack, those carrying out the attack had their missle operators ready to go when the calvary showed up?

The war is raging...
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AND

FAIL

The us has antimissile measures and since the arms may have been stingers, they come with IFF technology and wont lock on American aircraft

Oh god! Please deliver to us people WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING AND ARE NOT KARDASHIAN FOLLOWERS!
Amen
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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
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this was a false flag operation for sure. Except it was a staged kidnapping where Obama could trade the blind sheik for the Ambassador. Only Obama didn't count on the navy seals to step up and defend the embassy. Obama had a motive, a stupid youtube video that caused a demonstration. He had the drone overhead to follow the kidnappers in case they wandered off script. He had the military close by to swoop in and rescue the ambassador if the trade went south. We even have the kidnappers torching the compound to hide any pre-arranged evidence of the kidnapping. We had Susan Rice going out and staying on script even though the evidence didn't support her story. We even have CBS editing their interview with Obama to maintain the video caused the demonstration ruse. Time to drain the swamp, vote out Obama next week.
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Yep, clear out the wood pile.
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This thing is making me sick to my stomach. I just saw that while this is going on, OBummer is avoiding it by doing an interview with Sway on MTV!

Flicking MTV??
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They didnt deny antyhing. Its even worse: The CIA PLANNED it.


I was among the first who said this on GLP, but americans are dumbfucked and brainwashed.

Classic False Flag Operation we had there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26347105


Totally agree - how do they explain a drone monitoring it and sending a live feed to the WH Situation room in real-time if it wasn't planned? A drone "just happened to be there"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1579668


They had to send a second drone becaue the first one had 'problems' - meaning it was likely shot down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26359658


Would.have been nice if they'd have sent one with a gun on it...
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Drones and small airplanes (Cessnas & Pipers) have been flying over Libya since August 2011. New pictures have been posted weekly on sites like Algeria ISP.

I used to think the stories about Cessna "spy planes" was Libya crazy talk until I read a Washington Post article about Mali that said the US has been running surveillance over Africa using planes that look like civilian aircraft for years...

The fact that there were eyes in the sky means nothing - there are always eyes in the skies over Libya...
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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
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The "Real-Time" was a drone over head starting 2 hours after the initial attack.

The drones data can be bounced immediately to satellites and received anywhere.
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This thing is making me sick to my stomach. I just saw that while this is going on, OBummer is avoiding it by doing an interview with Sway on MTV!

Flicking MTV??
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The one thing that always surprises me when "so-called" experts talk about the attack in Benghazi is that they completely ignore the underlying conditions in Libya...

Libya is a powder keg with periodic explosions. Any military action by the US would have lit a fuse....Who would have been burned? The US-installed, US citizen, Libyan ex-pats who have been nominally governing Libya since the fall of Gaddafi. This might have been a case of save the ambassador, lose the country....(save 4 Americans, lose several thousand)

In the midst of all the crime, inter-militia brawls, & looting sorties, there have been multiple instances of militia groups battling militias from rival tribes & ethnic groups (mini civil wars)

Yesterday, I compiled a partial list of the battles for my Bani Walid thread..

Here are the ones I remember -
Bani Walid - October 2012 - 600+ dead (count unknown)
Brak al Shati - September 2012 - 22 dead [link to www.libyaherald.com]
Kufra - July 2012 - 47 dead [link to english.alarabiya.net]
Shegaygah - June, 2012 - 105 killed [link to bbc.in]
Jabal Nafusa - June 2012 - 14 killed [link to www.panapress.com]
Murzuq - May 2012 - 10 killed. [link to humanrightsinvestigations.org]
Ghadames - May 2012 - 13 killed [link to www.liveleak.com]
Zuwara - April 2012 - 26 died. [link to articles.chicagotribune.com]
Sabha - March 2012 - 160 killed [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Wouldn't you think long & hard before sending troops in the middle of this cl*sterf*ck? Especially if you had reports that all staff were safely ensconced in "safe havens"
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I'd post a link to the Washington Post article that discussed African surveillance flights, but no one cares...This isn't a thread about what happened in Benghazi....
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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
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You've obvoiusly never been a combat soldier. The risk is nothing when it comes to rescuing fellow soldiers or Americans.

The only risk was to dear leader's ego and image for his liberal base which hates to see dead hajis. So the Americans had to die. Its that simple.

There have been mutliple examples that plenty of people who were aware who could have authorized a rescue/recovery action with significant troops within an hour's travel. Quit making excuses for someone who can't (won't) perform the job he swore he would.
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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
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The "Real-Time" was a drone over head starting 2 hours after the initial attack.

The drones data can be bounced immediately to satellites and received anywhere.
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This is gun-sight footage from an Apache helicopter. As you can see long range camera footage assessment is not a substitute for eyes on the ground. These were reporters mistaken for combatants and killed because someone relied soley on long range camera footage.

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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
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The "Real-Time" was a drone over head starting 2 hours after the initial attack.

The drones data can be bounced immediately to satellites and received anywhere.
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What about the activated onsite emergency alarms and the requests for backup from the agents being attacked? That live enough for you? What about the qrf in bengazi who were told to stand down?

What about the spector?! Why are you so ready to dismiss anyone being held responsible for this?! You fucking libs piss me off to no end!
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OK, here we go. . .

U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner.

But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.

“Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-California, a member of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy and Transportation Committee.

The nightmare has been made real with the discovery in Libya that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.

The missiles, four to six-feet long and Russian-made, can weigh just 55 pounds with launcher. They lock on to the heat generated by the engines of aircraft, can be fired from a vehicle or from a combatant’s shoulder, and are accurate and deadly at a range of more than two miles.

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]

But it is quoting an abc news article.
 Quoting: Bluebird


There's also this: In fact, the Benghazi airport was closed after hostile militias fired missiles at U.S. drones.


[link to nationalinterest.org]


..which could give cover for Obama's - likely through Panetta - stand down order. Were they afraid US gunships would be shot down if, in the process of the attack, those carrying out the attack had their missle operators ready to go when the calvary showed up?

The war is raging...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26359658



AND

FAIL

The us has antimissile measures and since the arms may have been stingers, they come with IFF technology and wont lock on American aircraft

Oh god! Please deliver to us people WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING AND ARE NOT KARDASHIAN FOLLOWERS!
Amen
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Face it buddy - you just got your asses kicked, again and your own President just watched it all happen and didn't lift a finger.
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It is heartbreaking, stomach turning, and hideously vile.

Gotta say, though, Hilary has bigger balls than obama, jarrett and the rest of their cronies. Apparently, when she said during her prezzie hopeful days that the buck would stop with her, she meant it.

Of course, the buck shoulda stopped at the Oval Office.
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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
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The "Real-Time" was a drone over head starting 2 hours after the initial attack.

The drones data can be bounced immediately to satellites and received anywhere.
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What about the activated onsite emergency alarms and the requests for backup from the agents? That live enough for you?

What about the spector?! Why are you so ready to dismiss anyone being held responsible for this?! You fucking libs piss me off to no end!
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You are relying on hearsay from sources that have their own agenda. A couple of weeks ago they were saying it was an Al Qaeda attack. It turned out to be an attack from a local Militia. You are the ones jumping at every "unconfirmed" "secret" source to feed your hatred for Obama.
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Barack Obama should be locked-up in Gitmo for what happen in Libya, and for what happen with Fast & Furious.

Anyone that still votes for Barack Obama is one of the biggest idiots on the face of the earth.

Fast and Furious Scandal: New Details Emerge on How the U.S. Government Armed Mexican Drug Cartels

(( On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

Indirectly, the United States government played a role in the massacre by supplying some of the firearms used by the cartel murderers. Three of the high caliber weapons fired that night in Villas de Salvarcar were linked to a gun tracing operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to a Mexican army document obtained exclusively by Univision News.

Univision News identified a total of 57 more previously unreported firearms that were bought by straw purchasers monitored by ATF during Operation Fast and Furious, and then recovered in Mexico in sites related to murders, kidnappings, and at least one other massacre.))

[link to abcnews.go.com]



HERE ARE 5 THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT OPERATION FAST AND FURIOUS

1. 57 Previously Unreported Guns From Fast and Furious Discovered

One of the most explosive revelations made in the Univision News special involves 57 previously unreported firearms from Fast and Furious that were reportedly used in a number of murders and kidnappings.

After cross-referencing the serial numbers of guns used in Fast and Furious against guns confiscated in Mexico, Univision found that about 100 guns were used in crimes and 57 of the guns were not included in an official congressional investigation.

2. Fast and Furious Guns Used in Two Grisly Massacres

On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

The other bloody attack linked to Fast and Furious guns occurred in September 2009 when members of a Mexican drug cartel murdered 18 young men at Salvarcar and El Aliviane, a rehab center in Ciudad Juarez, according to the report.

3. U.S. Gun-Walking Operations Conducted in Additional States, Expanded to Other Countries

The Univision News report also revealed that other ATF offices outside of Arizona initiated similar gunrunning programs.

An ATF field division in Florida reportedly launched “Operation Castaway,” which put weapons in the hands of criminals in Colombia, Honduras and Venezuela, according to Hugh Crumpler, the lead informant in the case, who talked to Univision News from a prison cell.

4. ‘Confirmed’: Jaime Zapata Was Killed With Weapons From U.S. Gun-Walking Operation

Slain ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata. In Texas, even more weapons were allowed to cross into Mexico under ATF supervision, according to court documents and testimony of Magdalena Avila Villalobos, the sister of an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent who exchanged gunfire with cartel hit men alongside Jaime Zapata on a rural highway in Mexico in February 2011. Zapata was killed during the confrontation.

Villalobos told Univision News the guns that killed Zapata, and almost killed her brother, were “not from Arizona and Fast and Furious” but from a “very similar operation.”

“Those weapons that have been recovered, it’s been confirmed that they were weapons used in the shootout that killed Jaime Zapata and wounded Victor Avila,” she said.

5. Mexico’s Cartel Violence Spiked in 2009 During Fast and Furious

Operation Fast and Furious was supposedly a program run solely by ATF that allowed nearly 2,000 guns to “walk” out of the United States and into the hands of high-ranking cartel members so they could be tracked and federal agencies could dismantle the drug trafficking organizations. But that’s not how it worked out. The agency ultimately lost track of the firearms, leaving Mexico’s powerful drug cartels even better equipped to kill.

Mexico experienced a spike in cartel violence in 2009 while Fast and Furious was in full swing, as the gangs fought for control of various territories, Univision News reports.

Fast and Furious became public after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed in a gunfight with Mexican thugs in December of 2010. Congressional investigators, with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) leading the way, pushed for investigations and hearings, only to be stonewalled by Attorney General Eric Holder, the Justice Department and the White House, who claim Republicans’ interest in Fast and Furious is only political theater.

President Barack Obama moved to shield Holder and the Justice Department by invoking executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents that the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has been after for years.

Meanwhile, officials in Mexico are looking for answers because for them, Fast and Furious isn’t some metaphorical chess piece that they are manipulating for political gain. The fact of the matter is, they have lost hundreds of Mexican citizens as a result of the U.S.-run Fast and Furious — and they want the truth.

“Americans are not often moved by the pain of those outside [their country]…But they are moved by the pain of their own. Well, turn around and watch the massacres,” Javier Sicilia, a Mexican poet who lost his son due to cartel violence, told Univision News.

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The one thing that always surprises me when "so-called" experts talk about the attack in Benghazi is that they completely ignore the underlying conditions in Libya...

Libya is a powder keg with periodic explosions. Any military action by the US would have lit a fuse....Who would have been burned? The US-installed, US citizen, Libyan ex-pats who have been nominally governing Libya since the fall of Gaddafi. This might have been a case of save the ambassador, lose the country....(save 4 Americans, lose several thousand)

In the midst of all the crime, inter-militia brawls, & looting sorties, there have been multiple instances of militia groups battling militias from rival tribes & ethnic groups (mini civil wars)

Yesterday, I compiled a partial list of the battles for my Bani Walid thread..

Here are the ones I remember -
Bani Walid - October 2012 - 600+ dead (count unknown)
Brak al Shati - September 2012 - 22 dead [link to www.libyaherald.com]
Kufra - July 2012 - 47 dead [link to english.alarabiya.net]
Shegaygah - June, 2012 - 105 killed [link to bbc.in]
Jabal Nafusa - June 2012 - 14 killed [link to www.panapress.com]
Murzuq - May 2012 - 10 killed. [link to humanrightsinvestigations.org]
Ghadames - May 2012 - 13 killed [link to www.liveleak.com]
Zuwara - April 2012 - 26 died. [link to articles.chicagotribune.com]
Sabha - March 2012 - 160 killed [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Wouldn't you think long & hard before sending troops in the middle of this cl*sterf*ck? Especially if you had reports that all staff were safely ensconced in "safe havens"
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No one was talking about "TROOPS" sweetie pie.
Way to go trying to obfuscate the facts there. pfft. thwak


Reality was....THERE WAS A CIA OPERATIVE with a LASER DESIGNATOR pointed on the mortar position and his REQUEST FOR HELP WAS DENIED.
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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26366377


The "Real-Time" was a drone over head starting 2 hours after the initial attack.

The drones data can be bounced immediately to satellites and received anywhere.
 Quoting: mikebo2


What about the activated onsite emergency alarms and the requests for backup from the agents? That live enough for you?

What about the spector?! Why are you so ready to dismiss anyone being held responsible for this?! You fucking libs piss me off to no end!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


You are relying on hearsay from sources that have their own agenda. A couple of weeks ago they were saying it was an Al Qaeda attack. It turned out to be an attack from a local Militia. You are the ones jumping at every "unconfirmed" "secret" source to feed your hatred for Obama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26366377



Bullfucking shit. It's all out. Been foi-ed and is all over the news. You're a fucking appologist who is doing nothing except for trying to convince yourself that your Messiah isn't a fuckwad that left those men to die.

Why won't the whitehouse comment on the timeline? What are they hiding? Well... we already know, but they don't have the balls to admit it.

Just like you, pussy.
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OK, here we go. . .

U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner.

But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.

“Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-California, a member of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy and Transportation Committee.

The nightmare has been made real with the discovery in Libya that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.

The missiles, four to six-feet long and Russian-made, can weigh just 55 pounds with launcher. They lock on to the heat generated by the engines of aircraft, can be fired from a vehicle or from a combatant’s shoulder, and are accurate and deadly at a range of more than two miles.

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]

But it is quoting an abc news article.
 Quoting: Bluebird


There's also this: In fact, the Benghazi airport was closed after hostile militias fired missiles at U.S. drones.


[link to nationalinterest.org]


..which could give cover for Obama's - likely through Panetta - stand down order. Were they afraid US gunships would be shot down if, in the process of the attack, those carrying out the attack had their missle operators ready to go when the calvary showed up?

The war is raging...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26359658



AND

FAIL

The us has antimissile measures and since the arms may have been stingers, they come with IFF technology and wont lock on American aircraft

Oh god! Please deliver to us people WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING AND ARE NOT KARDASHIAN FOLLOWERS!
Amen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25390958


What you just stated about antimissile measures, stinger missiles, and IFF technology is factually inaccurate. Stingers are cued by the shooter at whatever target they sight, and if you knew anything about military radar systems, you would not have used the term IFF to describe a fratricide reducing measure inherent to the stinger missile system. You cannot simply string a couple of buzz words together and pretend you're an expert. Go back to playing your world of warcraft now...

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This makes me sad for the victims families...

To lose a loved one, then hear they asked for help from our government and were denied....

Obama literally hung them out to dry..
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hooly shit they really dropped the ball on this one guys
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NO, sir.

Obama himself snagged that ball, ran into the stands and spiked that fucker into some spectator's temple, then ran over and finished the job by slicing open his throat in front of his wife and children like some deranged addict whacked to hell and back on bath-salts.

Let us have our perspective very clear on this matter.

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Where do you get "in real time" from? My understanding is they had no "real time" assessment of the situation. What was the "real time" source? The only thing they knew in real time was there was an attack. You cannot send help into an unknown situation without extreme risk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26366377


The "Real-Time" was a drone over head starting 2 hours after the initial attack.

The drones data can be bounced immediately to satellites and received anywhere.
 Quoting: mikebo2


What about the activated onsite emergency alarms and the requests for backup from the agents being attacked? That live enough for you? What about the qrf in bengazi who were told to stand down?

What about the spector?! Why are you so ready to dismiss anyone being held responsible for this?! You fucking libs piss me off to no end!
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What part of what I said makes you think I am Liberal or dismissing blame on anyone?

What about the Spector? The Spector could have been there within 2 hrs and quite frankly I think it should have been called in.
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OK, here we go. . .

U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner.

But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.

“Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-California, a member of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy and Transportation Committee.

The nightmare has been made real with the discovery in Libya that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.

The missiles, four to six-feet long and Russian-made, can weigh just 55 pounds with launcher. They lock on to the heat generated by the engines of aircraft, can be fired from a vehicle or from a combatant’s shoulder, and are accurate and deadly at a range of more than two miles.

[link to fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com]

But it is quoting an abc news article.
 Quoting: Bluebird


There's also this: In fact, the Benghazi airport was closed after hostile militias fired missiles at U.S. drones.


[link to nationalinterest.org]


..which could give cover for Obama's - likely through Panetta - stand down order. Were they afraid US gunships would be shot down if, in the process of the attack, those carrying out the attack had their missle operators ready to go when the calvary showed up?

The war is raging...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26359658



AND

FAIL

The us has antimissile measures and since the arms may have been stingers, they come with IFF technology and wont lock on American aircraft

Oh god! Please deliver to us people WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING AND ARE NOT KARDASHIAN FOLLOWERS!
Amen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25390958


What you just stated about antimissile measures, stinger missiles, and IFF technology is factually inaccurate. Stingers are cued by the shooter at whatever target they sight, and if you knew anything about military radar systems, you would not have used the term IFF to describe a fratricide reducing measure inherent to the stinger missile system. You cannot simply string a couple of buzz words together and pretend you're an expert. Go back to playing your world of warcraft now...
 Quoting: Rising Son



Stingers do use iff. It designates targets as friendly as long as they are equipped with the proper sensors. I'm not sure of the package he was referring to, but some do tie into the trigger mechanism.

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