Questions I Wish to Ask of Christians

The fire is a metaphor.

Then please explain HOW it is metaphor and what it is a metaphor of. It must represent something.

The LAKE of Fire story is a legend handed down from the days of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. And that destruction not only destroyed the city, it destroyed the souls living there, they experienced the 2nd death, even though in that lifetime it was the first death. They were NO MORE. That is why the few good ones were warned to leave. Plasma beam technology was used and man has this now also on this world.

You can be pretty sure that hurricane that is being steered to middle of our east coast is being steered by that method and not haarp.

The first three words of your statement is where you went wrong.

true, now how about engage in some of the other questions.

Where does the bible say that????? Why would God save a body of earth, made of "dust" meaning the elements, in some place called hell? Just because the soul was wicked? What use has the Creator of all beings, have with old dead bodies that decay back into the elements?

The bible talks correctly of the 2nd Death, the death of the soul. If the soul is DEAD because it rejected eternal life, how would God have use to keep the "dead soul" and the "dead body" anywhere?????????? And again, where is this hell god would keep deal souls and dead bodies?

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 10/27/2012 01:54 AM

First, please tell ME where HELL is?


Question #2. What part of you burns in this hell for all eternity?


Ok based on posts here, where is the spirit world?



How would god leave behind somebody forever? Thats a long time.


Ok based on poster I quoted, how does Heaven help those who help themselves? Its a wise concept.


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1) Where are YOU? "Soul Cages": YOU lock YOURSELF into intimate connections to People and Things: (Example): YOU love Money/Things, THAT is where Your Heart is...

... Cant let THAT go? THAT is YOUR "HELL".


2) The "Knowing" that there is "Something Better" ... But YOU cannot let go of that "THING" you "LOVE". THAT "KNOWING" part of you is what "BURNS" ... (YOU could have been in a Better Place ... But that "THING" holds you)!


3) YOU ARE "SPIRIT". THIS is the "Spirit World" ... IF you could leave behind all your worldly desires. The body is fleeting... The "Spirit" is Eternal. WHO ARE YOU?


4) "A LONG TIME"? How long is a "LONG TIME" to God? You are trying to place human timeframes on an Eternal Entity. A "Long Time" to YOU, is but a 'Moment' to God. That said... WHO chose to "Stay Behind"? Certainly ... YOU did...


5) "Heaven Helps Those Who Help Themselves"?

Isn't it obvious? YOU CHOOSE YOUR ACTIONS... (Help/Hurt YOURSELF) ...
"HEAVEN" Stands ready to accept those who SEEK "Heaven". ("Heaven HELPS THOSE WHO SEEK HEAVEN") ...

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Really ...

It's NOT that complicated!

The souls of Sodom & Gomorrah will be raised at the resurrection of the damned. The second death in the lake of fire has not happened yet. All who have ever lived not found in the Lamb's Book of Life will take part in the Lake of Fire & second death having been burned up gone for ever along with this old earth as God creates a new earth, meaning this earth will have fire rain down on it just as Sodom & Gomorrah did, made new. All sin will be burned up. There will be no sin in the new earth. (see: Rev 20 & 21)

It's a literal fire to destroy the earth and the resurrected damned.

OP you obviously do not believe the Bible. if we hold up your words in the light of Scripture, we will see that they do not agree with what the Scriptures teach. therefore, if the Bible is true, then what you have written is a lie. for instance, you believe in reincarnation. however, the Bible says that a man is appointed once to die then the judgement. you also believe that people have a choice to either have eternal life or not. the Bible says that the people who are ordained for hell are called vessels of Wrath fitted to destruction. they are brute beasts made to be taken in destroyed.

there is no way that your questions can be answered satisfactorily since you believe in something other than the Bible. if you believed the Bible, my answers to your questions would suffice. if you continue to believe what you believe, then you are not a vessel of mercy, according to the Bible. as it says, the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know them for they are spiritually discerned.

as far is your original question is concerned, where is hell? obviously those of us who believe the Bible believe much of it based on the faith which has been given us from above. we do believe there is a place called the hell, but that does not mean that we know where it is. if you do not belong to God, then you will see where it is 1 day. if you do belong to God, then He will call you to repentance in his time. 

Probably right.

Again ...

If you have NOTHING that connects you TO THIS 'EXISTANCE' ...

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO 'LOSE'?

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You should be "READY' to go...

Thus:

Don't worry about "HELL".

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If you "LOVE" ... (Not 'COVET') ... Anything...

THAT "LOVE" should follow you to the "Better Place".

You will simply rejoin that "Love"

the Bible says it in Matthew 10 verse 28

sorry I must go to bed now. I will try to check back tomorrow for any responses.

This is what MY copy of KJV says and it is not as you say. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.



This has nothing to do with your statement. What this means is to fear MAN who has plasma beams and nuclear bombs which kill both the body and the soul. There is nothing about GOD in it. "him" refers to stupid war bent man who has no spiritual maturity and purposely wants to kill the soul, or does not realize this stuff uncreates the soul, he thinks he is just killing bodies in war.

Your body is temporary. it is a meat suit. It is of dust. Even if it is killed the soul is not killed. What more proof do you want of eternal life? Its a beautiful statement for that reason. u

weapons like guns can kill the body. You do not have to "fear" that sort of thing, because your soul is eternal and body is a meat suit of dust. Guns, arrows, cannons, fire even when used as a tool of destruction, can only kill your meat suit.

You must fear those that develop atomic weapons, hydrogen bombs, plasma bean technologies, which kill both the body and the soul. They UNCREATE YOU entirely.

That is behind the lake of fire story. The plasma beams uncreated every body that did not flea Sodom and Gomorrah. They were no more. They became as if they had never been.

Now as to the hell comment, Jesus never used such a word. I don't know why its there. But in reality, when I asked where hell IS in the first question. This world is HELL. This is a prison ward for thugs, that is what "God" meaning the hierarchy keeps the thugs of the Lucifer Rebellion and galactic thugs. They get their eternal life on DENSE material planets like this one, until they choose to begin ascending themselves.

In fact all evolutionary planets at the bottom of the scale are used to create new souls and hold them bounded until they grow up anyway, because the mind is terribly powerful and ones are not let onto higher planets until they have better control of their minds.

On the news there is this hurricane. It is being steered by plasma energy. And the big to do on TV (I haven't had the tv on yet today) to get all those watching TV into doom mode which adds power to the hurricane.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 10/27/2012 02:51 PM

really great post. particularly your 3). Wherever there is life, it is a spirit place. I was hoping somebody would say what you said, Thankyou.

Now, as to #5, WHO IN HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES. Lets cover HOW that is done for it is true that all who seek are assisted in their search.

You are forgetting that the OLD NATURE = "THE MAN OF SIN"
2 Thessalonians 2 Read ROMANS 1 and then
2 Thess. 2 and you will see clearly the antichrist is the seed of Satan/ the fallen nature is cleansed by The Blood Of The Lamb.

way to go Brief

How did you determine that nuclear weapons & plasma beams 'destroy the soul'? How would it ever be possible to verify such a claim?

Here you go OP:
The Place of Hell
[link to av1611.org]

and then
The Proof of Hell
[link to av1611.org]

do read. The apostates here have no clue.

First of all if you reference a bible verse, include the verse.

For those who claim to be experts in the bible or christianity, how much have you actually studied? Has is occurred to you that most chistians read only the bible and not many more books? In addition the passages were written before our age, in a different prose or context. Even first hand historical records, say from Francis Bacon or George Washington, need to be interpreted for our modern minds. American christians assume they understand every sentance of the bible automatically and that is non sense. Also christianity is one of the few religions to state there is a hell. Think about professionalism, how many careers are based on just one book? None.

The whole point 'God Loves ALL' is making is to forge or discern your own beliefs. I agree there is a myriad of ways to find god and it does not have to be thru a bible. In addition if you are a fundamentalist do you realize the bible also teaches faith thru works, and not static definitions. Regardless of you faith 'words are cheap and deeds are dear'. Your faith should lead you and others to happiness, shouldn't it? I would like christians to read this dream a boy had called 'The Room', link below. It really puts things in perspective as the answers aren't locked away in a biblical interpretation buried in the bowels of your mind. The answers are to live thoughtfully and be aware of your direction. If you believe you will be judged then what does you 'card' say today, "I sat on my butt and regurgitated what I learned." Americans are afraid to absorb other cultures and ideas, we think we have it all figured out by the age of 30. It actually all begins about then and that is the time to test your precious faith, have you ever done that?

Currently I think this thread has exposed the fact people are uncertain about their faith. Do you christians really believe you can understand the existence of higher forms or the concept of hell? Do you realize shamans and gurus have spent lifetimes pursuing the higher mind? They have found the answer and it is out there to be shared. The difficulty is the path begins inside, and our culture tells us we are just blood & guts. Our inner beings are a transceiver of interdimensional thought energy, we are in possession of such power and naturally contain the ability to discern the absoute truth. Yet society and religion teach us to wait for salvation. Doing nothing is something I could never do.

'God Loves ALL' signature states a lot. There are endless works describing the path to a higher form. Also see your 'agony' is due to 'waiting'. I suffer from this too.

Personally I am going to Washington DC on Nov5 to 'occupy' because I have faith in man and not the internet or the presidential race. I'll find something.

The Room

[link to www.joshharris.com]

Not true.

Psalms 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Hell is not a place controlled by Satan, hell is the place Satan and his angels are put, and of course all stupid evil people that want to go there.

Hell is fire... Probably inside of the Sun or a Sun somewhere...

This is a bit frightening as it entertains the option of 'failure'. Both from the higher and lower forms. The concept of living lives over and over is obvious to me, anyone who thinks they can understand universal oneness in 60 or so years is disillusioned. What is frightening is if you fail to achieve a higher understanding where do you go after earth folds into a higher dimension? I realize not only will our present 3rd dimensional understanding scale away to a freer way, but subsequently birthing will cease to occur. So where will those people go?
Next, if we achieved enlightenment during this lifetime regressing, or 'backsliding' as the christians call it, at the last moment does not sound pleasant. Meditation I imagine is the answer, get in touch with yourself .. ?

Hell is a misunderstood doctrine. That is all. So your question fails to catch anyone who knows the true faith.

Not bad. Pretty good. I want you to look at the supposed meaning of the word Satan, in greek. I don't speak greek so don't yell at me, I am placing something that has been taught and I assume true, but what I will say is true nevertheless.

This is a world where ONE word can have many meanings. Supposedly Satan in Greek means teh Adversary. If any of you here are Greek let me know if this is so. I don't think it means adversary of God, just adversary. Anybody could be called a satan who is seen as adversary to self, even your neighbor down the street who you do not like and see as adversary.

That said, there was a real being with the name of Satan, who chose to follow Lucifer, he was a lieutenant of Lucifer, an officer of sorts doing work under lucifer. So that is also the origin of the word Satan.

This Satan, was an adversary of God, as was Lucifer his boss. Satan is NOT on this planet anymore.

The word as used on Earth as in "satanic" has come to mean all things which are adverse to GOD and not just a person named Satan. Thus on the internet and in books you can find a lot of descriptions of satanic rituals et all. And you have these in Christianity beloveds which would be a topic for another discussion.

So we are going to use the word "satan" not as a person, but meaning antchrist, adverse to God. Satan is not here anymore and in fact faced trial in the divine courts and chose to return to lighted service and is undergoing his restitution. He repented of his deeds. He actually did learn from the experiences he had in which he supported Lucifer, that Lucifers ideas did not work. Lucifer however, could not change and repent and he went to trial also and chose his uncreation, the "2nd Death", rather than repent. In part he was actually so filled with remorse, he would not did himself out of it, and because of the great grace of his Father, Michael of Nebadon( Jesus), he was forgiven, but had no courage to for the restitution or whatever ate at him. I am told he suffered still from pride that made repentance difficult for him, and also terrible shame and could not resolve these two issues, pride and shame. He even considered that he was not human at all, and was a machine program. That is how lost he became.

As to resolving pride and shame, that is the teaching within the Father, that you are forgiven without you even asking, its automatic. But it is of course for the being involved with the complexity to self resolve, self forgive. And a huge lesson those who don't yet know how to do that, are going to have to learn as part of their eternal lives.

I would ask each of you reading this, no matter your background, to look at things you find shameful in your behavior, and how and if YOU have resolved this for yourself or not. The Father in Heaven already forgave you, because man is not yet in enough wisdom, he is not perfected. In fact, self forgiveness is vital to growth of your spirit. Its your spirit after all. It is when you can forgive self, that you can more objectively understand the lesson presented to you, that you created in the first place, whatever the behavior was that you feel shame about. For when you can find and deal with the lesson, you grow HUGELY in your spirit. So look at what you have NOT forgiven, forgive it and spend a bit of time resolving it and deciding what would have been appropriate behavior that would be in alignment with God. This is what clears your "karma". All that karma is, is SHIT stored in your soul. When you understand the lesson and have gained some wisdom, the SHIT is erased from your soul. And replaced with truth.....

Each day take some time to look at the shit of the day. Even the perfected incarnate on this world do a bit of shit now and then. I sometimes write something I felt was not my best, and I go back and edit the post. Sometimes just to clarify, which I thought not clear enough, sometimes I erred and was to brusk, so I go apologize. All is lessons and even the perfected deal with this in this world.

Jesus himself blew up a few times, chased Saul who was heckling him wiht a big stick, turned over the money changer tables, which probably caused the NAILS, as most were not hung on the cross in that manner, they were tied to it. You see......... Its a harsh world, and you will do stupid shit on occassion. And it is the prison world for the thugs after all.

It is also not possible with the density of mind here, to fully ascertain each person you work with and thus cannot always 100% provide the right method in dealing with them and its even harder on the net. I try to remember to use smilies to express my mood, because I write very "straight" often with little or no emotion, just straight, but others interpret my words with their emotions.... and that is not in my hands. But I can do this sometimes with a statement which may add the emotion they wish to see. I think on the internet that smilies are absolutely essential to help convey mood.

Some of my very straight posting that offends some, I should place something like this: :red_heart: because it is coming from my heart even it the receiver doesn't see that intent. I do nothing here that does not come from my heart. You will never see me doing this in fact, even when my confronting is heavy on purpose to get somebodies attention. Like my ever used THINK. Beloveds you must not just memorize what society has conditioned the mind that came with you body, with. Much of it is simple cultural systems and legends. You must consider and compare each thing for yourself. But oh dear, on proofing this writing, I have put up that big middle finger here, that one with the skeleton hand, to my hecklers, just to given them back a bit of karma. I feel this is justified with certain ones, and it is, but I only do it when I see no better alternative and some of them need it. I don't think I have used it more than 1/2 dozen times, mostly a testing of them.

The biggy goal on this world by the management teams of Heaven, because of the end of this age we are in, is to get the people of this world to stop the copy and paste of their cultures and think for themselves. The goal is to help you accept that your are master of your life and responsible for your choices and that you have a marvelous mind from God, are in fact part of God's mind, and to gain the wisdom to use your mind appropriately. We aim to assist you in finding your sovereign self. So that you can stand tall, and state WHO YOU ARE. And when you reach this stage of responsibility, you will not follow ANYONE or ANY THING. You will not define yourself as Christian, Muslim, Democrat, republican, and the like which are satanic creations, satanic meaning creations by the dark brotherhood to get you to follow them and not the Light within. They want you to give your power over to them, not to God. When you FOLLOW and define yourself this way, you have given over YOUR power to another and become his tool. You see, that is what Satan did, when he supported lucifer and became his lieutenant. Satan tossed away who is was to another.

As you gain wisdom, more and more God flows thru you, more and more you become his grownup MATURE SON, more than a faith son. A real son. When you have grown sufficietly you will merge with your Father Fragment, and become not a faith son, but the real knowing son. You will have become conscious of God with in YOU.

Description of self such as white, black, chinese, oriental, refer to your body type and perhaps your cultural upbringing. None of this describes your soul, which is your God mind and the real you.

And of course you have desriptions that describe your other talents, what you do to get the money you need, and hopefully a true description of service. So you are nurses, carpenters, politicians, bus drivers, garbage men, wives, husbands, brothers, sisters, and all of those many descriptions. But even those are not who you really are, its just who are in your current meat suit on this plane. These are roles you play, but are not who you are.

As you begin to make choices aligned WITH THE FATHER within you, you lift yourself up and by extension of the ever regiving God principle, you lift up others around you and even your whole planet. These temporary roles are ways you SERVE the father within, if you are aligned. Search and evaluate always your roles EACH day, to check for alignment, for once the wisdom builds and you come to listen to the Father Within YOU, you will know quicker and faster what does serve. And what does not, and you will strive as much as possible more and more to do that which is right. And something can be right in one situation and not very right in another, especially interchange between people.

This is a world of great challenge, and of great OPPORTUNITY for you to master many lessons in this life. What you receive from God you must always regift to others. And you will many times simply by your maturity, demonstrate to others how to be. Jesus did this, that was the whole point almost of his mission and that of the other avatars. To extend God thru themselves to man of earth, and every time you KNOWNINGLY serve god, you serve others around you. Its like giving away a cold, they will catch it!

You demonstrate what is right. This is the purpose of the avatar sons of god who manifest on this world. And in these final years of the old age, there are many millions of them here. Some of them might be you, and its time to remember that.

When you have found yourself Sovereign beings, real sons of god with god mind in action. you will not label yourself Christian, Democrat or any such thing. you will label yourself only as I AM THAT I AM. Ponder it. I would highly suggest as a spiritual exercise, even you think this is all malarky, that you several times a day, say. I AM THAT I AM. As you do this, so well your forgiveness of your own errors manifest and you will desire to walk in those holy footsteps and you will not a bible or a religion or a political party, or another person on earth to define you. YOU DEFINE YOU.

'Jesus" said a few years, in a certain book, where he was being trashed by readers, "It is NONE OF MY BUSINESS what how others define ME, it is only MY business how I define myself." So when you are called names, put down or any such derogatory experiences, or when you beat yourself up, make the Statment I AM THAT I AM, and repeat also the above teaching by the great master of this local universe I put in blue above.

YOU DEFINE YOURSELF and as you do so, choose to define yourself as a SON OF GOD that you are, even with your errors. NOBODY perfects themselves in one life ever. There is too much to learn. There are things to learn you have no clue of yet that exist to learn even, so you cannot perfect yourself in a single life. You can only grow yourself some more, and I have news for you, even when you stand on Paradise as a perfected being, shit is still going to happen, and there will new problems always to solve.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 10/27/2012 04:24 PM

America soon to become hell, faster if Obomber is reelected.

I pondered this question as well until I read Zoraster's beam weapon killed not just the body but the soul, serious business. Incidentally our soul does live forever. I guess it is since we are light-beings and perhaps that can be our un-doing. Read about direct energy weapons and scalar warfare. Scalar weapons kill just the body but will explain phenomenon beyond our world.

Verifying such a concept would take channeled input from a higher being, like a walkie-talkie to heaven. Think about what you would communicate.

Iranian film on scalar weapons. Rummy the dummy.
play english version
[link to www.rainews24.it]
direct link
[link to www.rainews24.it]

Last Edited by Overworked Asshole on 10/27/2012 04:27 PM

America already is hell. I have lived in this hell since my current birth 65 years ago. My childhood hell was terrible in fact. I have not ever felt one free day in this country as long as I can remember. Obamer has NOTHING to do with it. Obama is a "satan" in a way, but not even that, he isn't real. He is a cyborg. Find the scares on his head, which prove massive cranial surgery. I know, I have worked in operating rooms during brain surgery. Even if they didn't put a computer in there, to make him a cyborg, whatever caused the need for such, means he should not have remained president.

You have just defined that you perhaps are still missing your IAM. I assume you would support Romeny then? I don't know. I assume this because of the nature of politics in this country. You don't see the hell too much that is already here? I don't know you to discern, I can only go by the energy of your words.

Obamer is a tool. Romney is a tool. If Romney is not already a cyborg and he looks more plastic than a year ago, they will make one of him.

You must still be under the power of the political system. Nobody will actually be elected. The one is already chosen, was already chosen sometime ago, and you the american public of followers, not thinkers, will let yourselves be mind controller to vote in their choice. The world thugs choose who runs and who wins. That means this country is under dictatorship, and that voting is merely a lying game that has not true merit. The satanists, the antichrists, have made the game for the people to follow. And it has worked every time since the civil war when America was completely re-owned by Britain. In fact, the brits were never fully evicted from here at any time.

It is a lie that we are a sovereign nation. We are and it has been proven by credible research that, still a BRITISH colony. The defacto ruler of this world have been the Queen. She has chaired the Committee of 300, and the Fed is a their tool for financial control of this world. I say has, because she is old and mentally incapacitated and has no control now. There are reasons to believe she no long walks this world. I did an image search of her on Google images a few months ago, and I found 3 different queens. We had many Bushes, we had many Obami, we had many Dick Cheneys, and multiple copies of other famous people. There is no reason to believe there is just one Romney either. I haven't however made a very good search on that one yet, but the current one looks a tad different to me.

You have stated by your own words, the possibility you are still a follower, consider the idea. Only you can define YOU, I am going on appearances by your writing.

Now as to another Question and some of you who know me are going to know what I will say, but lets play and you tell me who and what antichrist is? I will also make some time to go thru the other posts and play as I played in some of them already.

The don't vote for Obamar post brought on my need to do some teaching so this thread didn't turn in a political thread.

I want all of you reading here to LOOK AT Antichrist and what YOU accept as clear truth to you about what antichrist is or means and who.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 10/27/2012 04:43 PM

I'm confused.... How can the soul live forever if you also contend that it can be destroyed?

The Creator bestowed upon the Creation the knowledge & power to uncreate the Creation?

How do we know that consciousness does not leave the body prior to experiencing such circumstances? How do we know that consciousness can only reside in one plane or dimension at a time?

thankyou! well said, a lot of folks make double statements where one cannot be the other. by the way, are you the source of your signature file, or someone else. It sounds strongly of Walter Russell.

Wait I'm also confused because didn't you also suggest in your post that nuclear weapons and plasma beams can destroy the soul?

The quote is from Eckhart Tolle's book The Power Of Now. I used quotations to signify it was not my own words but did not include his name because the focus should be placed on the message and not the messenger. Wisdom is shared and not owned. I would imagine Tolle would agree. : )