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| DGN (OP) Revelation in real time User ID: 26185788 United States10/27/2012 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like these guys? "Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. 28 In that way YOU also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside YOU are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 29 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU build the graves of the prophets and decorate the memorial tombs of the righteous ones, 30 and YOU say, ‘If we were in the days of our forefathers, we would not be sharers with them in the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Therefore YOU are bearing witness against yourselves that YOU are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Well, then, fill up the measure of YOUR forefathers. 33 “Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Gehenna?" Mt23:27 [link to www.dgnglobal.com] "The meek will inherit the earth, and indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" Ps37:11 [link to www.watchtower.org] [link to www.jw-media.org] To review previous posts enter my user ID in the 'advanced search'. [link to wol.jw.org] |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452  Spain10/27/2012 11:29 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am of the unconventional opinion that Judas loved Christ very much and tried to save Him..but was betrayed by the Sanhedrin..at least that is my opinion..I think Judas tried to strike a deal with them to obtain banishment in exchange for letting Him live.. Poor Judas  forever condemned by others opinionMatthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And when he saw that they had lied to him..that they were going to execute Christ..he couldnt live with the thought..and in utter desperation hung himself.. because he loved him very very much thats why he kissed Christ in the garden..to reassure him..to let him know ..not to worry all would be well..or so he thought.. thats all my opinion anyway.. Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Last Edited by wildhoney on 10/27/2012 11:33 AM Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| DGN (OP) Revelation in real time User ID: 26185788 United States10/27/2012 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how Jehovah reveals it; " Then one of the twelve, the one called Judas Is·cariot, went to the chief priests and said: “What will YOU give me to betray him to YOU?” They stipulated to him thirty silver pieces. 16 So from then on he kept seeking a good opportunity to betray him. On the first day of the unfermented cakes the disciples came up to Jesus, saying: “Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the passover?” He said: “Go into the city to So-and-so and say to him, The Teacher says, ‘My appointed time is near; I will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.’” And the disciples did as Jesus ordered them, and they got things ready for the passover. 20 When, now, it had become evening, he was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples. While they were eating, he said: “Truly I say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.” Being very much grieved at this, they commenced each and every one to say to him: “Lord, it is not I, is it?” In reply he said: “He that dips his hand with me in the bowl is the one that will betray me. True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born.” By way of reply Judas, who was about to betray him, said: “It is not I, is it, Rabbi?” He said to him: “You yourself said [it].” Mt26:14 [link to www.dgnglobal.com] "The meek will inherit the earth, and indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" Ps37:11 [link to www.watchtower.org] [link to www.jw-media.org] To review previous posts enter my user ID in the 'advanced search'. [link to wol.jw.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26140090 United States10/27/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ..Of course - he repented. Mat 27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: Mat 27:2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. Mat 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26140090 United States10/27/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And when he saw that they had lied to him..that they were going to execute Christ..he couldnt live with the thought..and in utter desperation hung himself.. Quoting: wildhoney because he loved him very very much thats why he kissed Christ in the garden..to reassure him..to let him know ..not to worry all would be well..or so he thought.. thats all my opinion anyway.. Did he really hang himself or did he have help? Sounds like a little more than a hanging to me. Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how Jehovah reveals it; " Then one of the twelve, the one called Judas Is·cariot, went to the chief priests and said: “What will YOU give me to betray him to YOU?” They stipulated to him thirty silver pieces. 16 So from then on he kept seeking a good opportunity to betray him. On the first day of the unfermented cakes the disciples came up to Jesus, saying: “Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the passover?” He said: “Go into the city to So-and-so and say to him, The Teacher says, ‘My appointed time is near; I will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.’” And the disciples did as Jesus ordered them, and they got things ready for the passover. 20 When, now, it had become evening, he was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples. While they were eating, he said: “Truly I say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.” Being very much grieved at this, they commenced each and every one to say to him: “Lord, it is not I, is it?” In reply he said: “He that dips his hand with me in the bowl is the one that will betray me. True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born.” By way of reply Judas, who was about to betray him, said: “It is not I, is it, Rabbi?” He said to him: “You yourself said [it].” Mt26:14 I know what is said..I am saying I dont agree.. Firstly..how does anyone know what Judas said to the Sanhedrin? Did someone go with Judas? hardly likely..or did Judas tell the rest? unlikely..so who overheard the conversation? As to betrayal..yes he did betray..he went behind Jesus back to the Sanhedrin..what I am saying..considering the outcome and the kiss in the garden..is that in my opinion he didnt go to betray him as to have him silenced and killed..I think that it was vox populi that they were after Christ..they wanted Him dead.. he also admits to it..I believe ..when He says that he was to leave and avoid being arrested etc...because it bwasnt His time yet.. When Mary Magdalene annointed Him..she used the perfumes..for the dead..she was annointing Him for burial..because she probably foresaw that there wouldnt be time..so out of love she did it before.. It was known imo that there was a death sentence on Christs head..so I think Judas went behind Christs back..to strike a deal with the sanhedrin..like I said..for banishment..but in exchange His life would be spared.. these are just my opinions..so I fully understand that you dont agree  Last Edited by wildhoney on 10/27/2012 12:02 PM Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24011342 United States10/27/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No...and even your question suggests you do not know the Bible. Judas CANNOT be forgiven. John 17 describes him as the "son of perdition" - he was Satan incarnate...here is something else...Judas comes back on the scene...Judas is "THE" anti-Christ! [link to www.biblebelievers.com] |
| schiehallion User ID: 26401003  United Kingdom10/27/2012 12:06 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the Aquarian Gospel, Judas was not betraying his Master but setting up a meeting... however, Jesus made it clear to all what was really going on.. and that Judas should proceed. When Jesus said, one of you will betray me.. he was giving an order, not a prophesy. Even though the foul intelligence that WAS satan (he's dead now, and his consciousness split into a thousand parts) manipulated the mob, even thought he had won, the real mastermind behind the entire karmic manipulation that was the Crucifixion and Resurrection, was Jesus Himself. Last Edited by schiehallion on 10/27/2012 12:06 PM scottish, british, european but first of all Human. Even this is not true. I am Spirit appearing to be solid, just like all life everywhere |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And when he saw that they had lied to him..that they were going to execute Christ..he couldnt live with the thought..and in utter desperation hung himself.. Quoting: wildhoney because he loved him very very much thats why he kissed Christ in the garden..to reassure him..to let him know ..not to worry all would be well..or so he thought.. thats all my opinion anyway.. Did he really hang himself or did he have help? Sounds like a little more than a hanging to me. Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. I dont know..good question though.. That would be typical ..they were too cowardly to accompany the Master to the cross and to be with Him during His last hours but they murdered Judas? Cowards..they have gone down in history for what they were..cowards..that thought more of avoiding being arrested..than to accompany Him through His ordeal.. Only the Grace of God could have upheld His faith till the last..all those years of preaching..all the followers and worshipers..and all gone..only three women at the foot of the cross cowards.. If Judas had lived..he would have been there..in my opinion Last Edited by wildhoney on 10/27/2012 12:08 PM Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| A Friend And Kitteh Zorro User ID: 26400704 United States10/27/2012 12:07 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question should be would Jesus give Judas a second chance. He would. I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. -Albert Camus My new books with some art and photography being original works, enjoy... [link to www.slideshare.net]  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26140090 United States10/27/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No...and even your question suggests you do not know the Bible. Judas CANNOT be forgiven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342 John 17 describes him as the "son of perdition" - he was Satan incarnate...here is something else...Judas comes back on the scene...Judas is "THE" anti-Christ! [link to www.biblebelievers.com] Wow - somebody needs to do some serious Bible study. You are wrong on all counts. |
| DGN (OP) Revelation in real time User ID: 26185788 United States10/27/2012 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how Jehovah reveals it; " Then one of the twelve, the one called Judas Is·cariot, went to the chief priests and said: “What will YOU give me to betray him to YOU?” They stipulated to him thirty silver pieces. 16 So from then on he kept seeking a good opportunity to betray him. On the first day of the unfermented cakes the disciples came up to Jesus, saying: “Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the passover?” He said: “Go into the city to So-and-so and say to him, The Teacher says, ‘My appointed time is near; I will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.’” And the disciples did as Jesus ordered them, and they got things ready for the passover. 20 When, now, it had become evening, he was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples. While they were eating, he said: “Truly I say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.” Being very much grieved at this, they commenced each and every one to say to him: “Lord, it is not I, is it?” In reply he said: “He that dips his hand with me in the bowl is the one that will betray me. True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born.” By way of reply Judas, who was about to betray him, said: “It is not I, is it, Rabbi?” He said to him: “You yourself said [it].” Mt26:14 I know what is said..I am saying I dont agree.. Firstly..how does anyone know what Judas said to the Sanhedrin? Did someone go with Judas? hardly likely..or did Judas tell the rest? unlikely..so who overheard the conversation? As to betrayal..yes he did betray..he went behind Jesus back to the Sanhedrin..what I am saying..considering the outcome and the kiss in the garden..is that in my opinion he didnt go to betray him as to have him silenced and killed..I think that it was vox populi that they were after Christ..they wanted Him dead.. he also admits to it..I believe ..when He says that he was to leave and avoid being arrested etc...because it bwasnt His time yet.. When Mary Magdalene annointed Him..she used the perfumes..for the dead..she was annointing Him for burial..because she probably foresaw that there wouldnt be time..so out of love she did it before.. It was known imo that there was a death sentence on Christs head..so I think Judas went behind Christs back..to strike a deal with the sanhedrin..like I said..for banishment..but in exchange His life would be spared.. these are just my opinions..so I fully understand that you dont agree Jesus knew Judas' scam beforehand; "but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born" [link to www.dgnglobal.com] "The meek will inherit the earth, and indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" Ps37:11 [link to www.watchtower.org] [link to www.jw-media.org] To review previous posts enter my user ID in the 'advanced search'. [link to wol.jw.org] |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | who was there to collect His precious blood from the mud? Cowards! Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's how Jehovah reveals it; " Then one of the twelve, the one called Judas Is·cariot, went to the chief priests and said: “What will YOU give me to betray him to YOU?” They stipulated to him thirty silver pieces. 16 So from then on he kept seeking a good opportunity to betray him. On the first day of the unfermented cakes the disciples came up to Jesus, saying: “Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the passover?” He said: “Go into the city to So-and-so and say to him, The Teacher says, ‘My appointed time is near; I will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.’” And the disciples did as Jesus ordered them, and they got things ready for the passover. 20 When, now, it had become evening, he was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples. While they were eating, he said: “Truly I say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.” Being very much grieved at this, they commenced each and every one to say to him: “Lord, it is not I, is it?” In reply he said: “He that dips his hand with me in the bowl is the one that will betray me. True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born.” By way of reply Judas, who was about to betray him, said: “It is not I, is it, Rabbi?” He said to him: “You yourself said [it].” Mt26:14 I know what is said..I am saying I dont agree.. Firstly..how does anyone know what Judas said to the Sanhedrin? Did someone go with Judas? hardly likely..or did Judas tell the rest? unlikely..so who overheard the conversation? As to betrayal..yes he did betray..he went behind Jesus back to the Sanhedrin..what I am saying..considering the outcome and the kiss in the garden..is that in my opinion he didnt go to betray him as to have him silenced and killed..I think that it was vox populi that they were after Christ..they wanted Him dead.. he also admits to it..I believe ..when He says that he was to leave and avoid being arrested etc...because it bwasnt His time yet.. When Mary Magdalene annointed Him..she used the perfumes..for the dead..she was annointing Him for burial..because she probably foresaw that there wouldnt be time..so out of love she did it before.. It was known imo that there was a death sentence on Christs head..so I think Judas went behind Christs back..to strike a deal with the sanhedrin..like I said..for banishment..but in exchange His life would be spared.. these are just my opinions..so I fully understand that you dont agree Jesus knew Judas' scam beforehand; "but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born" Of course..He knew everything..and He was right Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
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| DGN (OP) Revelation in real time User ID: 26185788 United States10/27/2012 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: DGN Here's how Jehovah reveals it; " Then one of the twelve, the one called Judas Is·cariot, went to the chief priests and said: “What will YOU give me to betray him to YOU?” They stipulated to him thirty silver pieces. 16 So from then on he kept seeking a good opportunity to betray him. On the first day of the unfermented cakes the disciples came up to Jesus, saying: “Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the passover?” He said: “Go into the city to So-and-so and say to him, The Teacher says, ‘My appointed time is near; I will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.’” And the disciples did as Jesus ordered them, and they got things ready for the passover. 20 When, now, it had become evening, he was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples. While they were eating, he said: “Truly I say to YOU, One of YOU will betray me.” Being very much grieved at this, they commenced each and every one to say to him: “Lord, it is not I, is it?” In reply he said: “He that dips his hand with me in the bowl is the one that will betray me. True, the Son of man is going away, just as it is written concerning him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born.” By way of reply Judas, who was about to betray him, said: “It is not I, is it, Rabbi?” He said to him: “You yourself said [it].” Mt26:14 I know what is said..I am saying I dont agree.. Firstly..how does anyone know what Judas said to the Sanhedrin? Did someone go with Judas? hardly likely..or did Judas tell the rest? unlikely..so who overheard the conversation? As to betrayal..yes he did betray..he went behind Jesus back to the Sanhedrin..what I am saying..considering the outcome and the kiss in the garden..is that in my opinion he didnt go to betray him as to have him silenced and killed..I think that it was vox populi that they were after Christ..they wanted Him dead.. he also admits to it..I believe ..when He says that he was to leave and avoid being arrested etc...because it bwasnt His time yet.. When Mary Magdalene annointed Him..she used the perfumes..for the dead..she was annointing Him for burial..because she probably foresaw that there wouldnt be time..so out of love she did it before.. It was known imo that there was a death sentence on Christs head..so I think Judas went behind Christs back..to strike a deal with the sanhedrin..like I said..for banishment..but in exchange His life would be spared.. these are just my opinions..so I fully understand that you dont agree Jesus knew Judas' scam beforehand; "but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born" Of course..He knew everything..and He was right Can you see the risk of being divinely viewed as devil's advocate here? That's what I'm trying to prevent with this thread. [link to www.dgnglobal.com] "The meek will inherit the earth, and indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" Ps37:11 [link to www.watchtower.org] [link to www.jw-media.org] To review previous posts enter my user ID in the 'advanced search'. [link to wol.jw.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24011342 United States10/27/2012 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No...and even your question suggests you do not know the Bible. Judas CANNOT be forgiven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342 John 17 describes him as the "son of perdition" - he was Satan incarnate...here is something else...Judas comes back on the scene...Judas is "THE" anti-Christ! [link to www.biblebelievers.com] Wow - somebody needs to do some serious Bible study. You are wrong on all counts. Really? Please read the link I provided! Judas was described as the "son of perdition." The only other description is the "man of sin" in Thessalonians. Acts 1 says that Judas "went to his own place" - no other person is described as having such a judgement. Simply saying "wrong on all counts" is meaningless...please back it up. |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: wildhoney I know what is said..I am saying I dont agree.. Firstly..how does anyone know what Judas said to the Sanhedrin? Did someone go with Judas? hardly likely..or did Judas tell the rest? unlikely..so who overheard the conversation? As to betrayal..yes he did betray..he went behind Jesus back to the Sanhedrin..what I am saying..considering the outcome and the kiss in the garden..is that in my opinion he didnt go to betray him as to have him silenced and killed..I think that it was vox populi that they were after Christ..they wanted Him dead.. he also admits to it..I believe ..when He says that he was to leave and avoid being arrested etc...because it bwasnt His time yet.. When Mary Magdalene annointed Him..she used the perfumes..for the dead..she was annointing Him for burial..because she probably foresaw that there wouldnt be time..so out of love she did it before.. It was known imo that there was a death sentence on Christs head..so I think Judas went behind Christs back..to strike a deal with the sanhedrin..like I said..for banishment..but in exchange His life would be spared.. these are just my opinions..so I fully understand that you dont agree Jesus knew Judas' scam beforehand; "but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for him if that man had not been born" Of course..He knew everything..and He was right Can you see the risk of being divinely viewed as devil's advocate here? That's what I'm trying to prevent with this thread. I hope the love I feel for Him will outweight my ignorance if that is the case Last Edited by wildhoney on 10/27/2012 12:17 PM Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
| DGN (OP) Revelation in real time User ID: 26185788 United States10/27/2012 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No...and even your question suggests you do not know the Bible. Judas CANNOT be forgiven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342 John 17 describes him as the "son of perdition" - he was Satan incarnate...here is something else...Judas comes back on the scene...Judas is "THE" anti-Christ! [link to www.biblebelievers.com] Wow - somebody needs to do some serious Bible study. You are wrong on all counts. Really? Please read the link I provided! Judas was described as the "son of perdition." The only other description is the "man of sin" in Thessalonians. Acts 1 says that Judas "went to his own place" - no other person is described as having such a judgement. Simply saying "wrong on all counts" is meaningless...please back it up. Who ever committed a greater betrayal of man and God than Judas? [link to www.dgnglobal.com] "The meek will inherit the earth, and indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" Ps37:11 [link to www.watchtower.org] [link to www.jw-media.org] To review previous posts enter my user ID in the 'advanced search'. [link to wol.jw.org] |
| wildhoney User ID: 26329452 Spain10/27/2012 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why did he kiss Him op? So the guards would recognize him? lol as if Jesus could go unnoticed..He was allegedly way taller than anyone..and stood out in any crowd.. And everyone knew Him didnt they op? Everyone talked about Him.. He was a threat..thats why they had to silence Him.. So why did Judas kiss Jesus op? Last Edited by wildhoney on 10/27/2012 12:22 PM Matthew 16>18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.. Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill "Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? ..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount) “WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT" ..) Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words.. St.Francis Of Assisi.. Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing wildhoney14@yahoo.com [link to www.google.ca] Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God Inherit the Kingdom ...Time of the Angels.. oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26140090 United States10/27/2012 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No...and even your question suggests you do not know the Bible. Judas CANNOT be forgiven. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342 John 17 describes him as the "son of perdition" - he was Satan incarnate...here is something else...Judas comes back on the scene...Judas is "THE" anti-Christ! [link to www.biblebelievers.com] Wow - somebody needs to do some serious Bible study. You are wrong on all counts. Really? Please read the link I provided! Judas was described as the "son of perdition." The only other description is the "man of sin" in Thessalonians. Acts 1 says that Judas "went to his own place" - no other person is described as having such a judgement. Simply saying "wrong on all counts" is meaningless...please back it up. "Acts 1 says that Judas "went to his own place" - no other person is described as having such a judgement." Please learn to read: Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. That verse was talking about the new apostle taking his place - in place of Judas. Not talking about Judas at all. 'Son of perdition' and 'man of sin' is the antichrist (not Judas) and he has not showed up at this time. |
