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Was General Ham Relieved for Attempting Benghazi Rescue?

 
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Another source -

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said he and other senior military leaders, including Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey, withheld U.S. forces from responding to the scene of the September 11 attack in Benghazi because the situation was deemed too unclear and risky.

Panetta said there was not enough “real time information” for him, Dempsey and Africa Command’s Gen. Carter Ham, all of whom felt "very strongly" at the time not to deploy any military assistance to the American compound. Panetta and Dempsey, speaking in a Pentagon press briefing, said U.S. forces were on alert and ready.

[link to e-ring.foreignpolicy.com]

Keep in mind there were political sensitivities too...

Ismael Sallabi is a leading cleric in Libya, who until the revolution, lived in exile in Qatar. He is seen as a "kingmaker" and Qatar's man in Libya. The attackers were most likely members of Rafallah Sahati, the milita controlled by Sallabi's younger brother. The primary attackers (the eight armed men) were probably all members of Rafallah Sahati.

It's my opinion that SAD "got the bad guys" when protestors forced the Rafallah Sahati militia from their headquarters the Friday after the attack. When the attack ended, authorities found six Libyan Army officers, who were also members of Rafallah Sahati, shot execution style just outside the compound. But those executions may have also been the Obeidi tribe's revenge for the killing of General Younes...

None of this would be discussed on FoxNews, or any media outlet, because basically the US just killed six agents working for one of its closest allies in the region. Also, such an admission would probably push Libya into full-scale civil war (not that Bani Walid isn't a full scale civil war already)...

Also you were talking about body language....How would you react when you were trying to cover up the fact that your closest ally in the region took out your CIA station? It would not be a comfortable cover-up...
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OBummer had better watch it..he is going to have a revolution in the military! JMHO
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Out on a limb here but I still think Matt Drudge knows something. Top headline reamins 'Calm Before the Storm' but no story attached to it. Perhaps he heard rumors and is still trying to substantiate but has not had any luck yet?
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EXCELLENT analysis Darby I think you are really on to something; I agree with you!
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Dempsey's body language screams that he is distancing himself as much as possible from Panetta. Great personal dislike and distrust, but obedient to his boss.

He didn't get his job though by not being a politician. He will say nothing unless his 4* retirement check is on the line.

The video I saw was only the Panetta segment. Would not look anyone in the eye. Always looking down, to the side, arms folded, defensive, evasive. IMO looked guilty as hell, and knows it - or knows specifically who is guilty as hell and is covering their arse.

I can only hope that some people in the loop have finally had enough with the death of four good Americans, and are about to do a core dump of major dirt, probably next Sunday or Monday, and not leave those responsible time to react before the election.
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Concur with your opservations 1257580.
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EXCELLENT analysis Darby I think you are really on to something; I agree with you!
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Thank you...
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What do you make of this; Panetta visited the Stennis personally and essentialy told the crew that America was asking an awful lot from them!:

Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
By ROBERT BURNS
AP National Security Writer / October 27, 2012

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis’ home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.
The Navy did not reveal details of the allegations, citing only an accusation of ‘‘inappropriate leadership judgment’’ that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Navy’s chief spokesman, declined to discuss the investigation.

The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet’s area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific. The Stennis made port visits in Thailand and Malaysia on its way to the Middle East.

It deployed four months earlier than scheduled in response to a request by the commander of U.S. Central Command, Marine Gen. James Mattis, to maintain two aircraft carriers in the Middle East. The Stennis replaced the USS Enterprise carrier group.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited the Stennis and its sailors in Bremerton shortly before they departed. He thanked them for accelerating their deployment on short notice.

‘‘I understand that it is tough,’’ Panetta said. ‘‘We are asking an awful lot of each of you, but frankly you are the best I have and when the world calls we have to respond.’’
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My mistake, the visit took place at Bremerton before they even deployed.


Sorry!!!!!
Can't keep up with all th einfo coming out now!
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Only one reason for something like that, because the White House wanted it to happen...

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Only one reason for something like that, because the White House wanted it to happen...
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I agree.
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Well Drudge just posted a storm story (finally) for his main headline 'Calm Before the Storm' so it looks like my theory was wrong.
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I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.

I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.

quote:
President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced.

As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham’s comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.
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Could it be possible that a coup is in progress?
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I tend to doubt that a coup is in progress; there are a LOT of Generals and Admirals serving our Country.
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the brits/banksters who control America wanted ambassador dead.

ambassador was well aquainted with this fact.
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Please explain why would they want him dead?
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ambassador ddfied the brit/banksters

he was hauled into london shortly before his death and they must not have been happy with his story
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Did General Ham serve with Colonel Sanders by any chance?
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What do you make of this; Panetta visited the Stennis personally and essentialy told the crew that America was asking an awful lot from them!:

Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
By ROBERT BURNS
AP National Security Writer / October 27, 2012

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis’ home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.
The Navy did not reveal details of the allegations, citing only an accusation of ‘‘inappropriate leadership judgment’’ that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Navy’s chief spokesman, declined to discuss the investigation.

The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet’s area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific. The Stennis made port visits in Thailand and Malaysia on its way to the Middle East.

It deployed four months earlier than scheduled in response to a request by the commander of U.S. Central Command, Marine Gen. James Mattis, to maintain two aircraft carriers in the Middle East. The Stennis replaced the USS Enterprise carrier group.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited the Stennis and its sailors in Bremerton shortly before they departed. He thanked them for accelerating their deployment on short notice.

‘‘I understand that it is tough,’’ Panetta said. ‘‘We are asking an awful lot of each of you, but frankly you are the best I have and when the world calls we have to respond.’’

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this does not bode well for the adminstration
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General Ham was chosen because muzzies freaking HATE HAM!!!
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Did General Ham serve with Colonel Sanders by any chance?
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Yes, along with Marshall Slaw.
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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta... MORE LIKE PANCETTA!!!

This is a goddam PORK CONSPIRACY!

MUZZIES HATE PORK!
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Thai poster
You have it wrong. The attack was at the consulate, the safe house was near by.
They were trying to locate the missiles, that's why the seals were in Libya.
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Although the media has reported repeatedly that it was the consulate that was attacked, that is not correct. The consulate is in Tripoli.

The dark underside of this is that the ambassador was helping with gun/weapons running to Turkey and then to Alqaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria.

He was meeting with the Turkish ambassador just before the attack in fact.
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Ok the unsupervised children have arrived
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Are they called Rear Admirals because they love to take it up the ass?
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Why? Were you planning on making a career change?
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I can understand Ham being relieved of command, although I dont like it one damn bit.

The HNIC decided who would die that day and refused our military the CHANCE to go get them or respond.

In my mind, you dont break orders just because you dont like the order given. There are other ways to handle things like this. Ham could have spilled the beans WITHOUT the specter of his being relieved of command and created a political shitstorm for "O". By him breaking those orders he likely wont be able to tell his side of the story without looking like he was anti-Obama.
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I remember when the news first broke here on glp, and one of the most commonly read post,was why isn't anyone doing anything to rescue the situation and people out of the grasp of the wankers that were holding them.

Here are just some of the shocking failures I as a dumb peasant have noticed...

Refusal to allow ground based US security teams to operator and protect personnel

No weapons of sufficient calibre in the case of a firefight in the location.

Videoing the scene live from above yet taking no action whatsoever to respond

Providing such lax security, that the compound was able to be breached and the Ambassador and other personnel were killed.

Secure documents and other information were left unsecured in the location even during the aftermath

Refusal to provide security despite numerous requests which were all denied.

Blaming the incident on a yt video when the facts were known based on the drone info and intel.

I am sure there are many more errors which I have missed, but these few that I have mentioned are grave errors, and I cannot understand how this was allowed, I mean this is the US ffs! not some backwater island, and that is even more disheartening, as the US has the best of everything, yet chose not to do anything it seems, to a point of firing those who broke rank based on one and one thing only....They had a heart and the balls to try to rectify a terrible mistake on part of many back home in the US.

I for one am very sorry that an Ambassador and other personnel were lost, when this could have been totally avoided imho.

The worst thing of all, is that just like everything else, nothing will be done to find out how and why as this may cost more lives........

RIP all those who died unfairly and unjustly.
peace
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I remain convinced that this will be a top story in the coming days
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Right now sides are being chosen.
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The Ambassador being in peril was sent purportedly as a FLASH message.

Here's what that means:

[link to senseofevents.blogspot.com]

I can understand a lot of current military having their hands tied in what they can and cannot say (UCMJ and all that). I am hopeful that some in other organizations will be forthcoming with details, and not permit gross lies to be told. That may be in the works.
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I am still haunted by that look on Dempsey's face when he and Panetta gave that news conference. Kind of like 'I'm scared to death and I just want to get out of here.'
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There is video out there of the Panetta Dempset news conference - watch Panetta's body language, where he looks, his hands, his eyes and a nervous tic he has repeatedly.

Look at the stills also. The body language is revealing. Arms folded, leaning away, hands covering mouth.

[link to images.politico.com]

[link to www.thenewstribe.com]

[link to www.defense.gov]
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Wow, the body language is very exagerated. The General needs to come clean.

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