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Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?

 
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it doesn't matter how many "scriptures" one posts,they are all mistranslated if not seen from first person spirit view...why do you think its written> the spirit brings all former things back to remembrance..< get a clue sheeple/beasts whom see flesh instead of spirit within...stop following the flesh and follow the spirit...jesus the christ is translated to> the flesh/jesus which contains the christ/spirit...the word christ means spirit...the spirit we all have> a house divided cannot stand...keep tripping over the concept stumbling blocks if your arks wish because you cannot stand without following the spirit within...
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all of the scriptures - mistranslated = FALSE
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Because he came out of a woman's vagina.
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He is not called a son of woman.
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See this makes sense Spiritoftruth - People are always saying GOD is perfect and yet all the lessons they teach show imperfection.

I am very tough on Moses because he did so many horrendous things that undermine the concept of a loving, perfect GOD.

I want to break open the Bible and sort the charf from the wheat to know the truth.

As I have said elsewhere... My test is that of Omniscience... If something undermines the omniscience of GOD then it can't be true!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


You claim to follow Yeshua and reject Moses yet Yeshua was in perfect union with Moses. Moses was only the Prophet of God, bringing the people the holy law of God, the Torah. You are seriously erring to the right and to the left. The scriptures are our foundation and without the old, there would be no new testament since the two are interwoven.

Here is some verses showing that Yeshua was pro-Moses and fully accepted him.


Matthew 23:2-3


23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Matthew 17:3


I will pray for you Brother.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26797763


Please don't pray for me... To do so without my permission would be to break a spiritual law.

The fact that Jesus mentions MOSES makes no difference to me whatsoever. Moses misrepresented GOD continually.

The fact that the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat probably shows why it is Moses' seat!

I am not a follower of Yeshua and as many verses were added to the Bible by scribes and we are learning from copies of copies and doctored copies, I wouldn't rely on things that don't make sense.

Moses was a war criminal - The Bible tells me so.

GOD would not support a war criminal - My heart tells me so!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Really? And what spiritual law would that be? I only recognize the Holy Law of God Almighty, the Holy Torah. So you are a Christian if I can even call you that who picks and chooses what to believe in the Bible? Really Man, that is not a good path to be on. As I said before, you will fall from the Righteous path if you do not correct and acknowledge the errors of your way. A war criminal? Really? That is preposterous. Have you even read the old testament fully and do you understand how evil the Canaanites were? It was Righteous Judgement dammit! God let them reach a certain point in their wickedness till he would let the Israelites come in and give them the land. Yes, some of it seems harsh but the World back then was very harsh and violent, much much worse than today. And the only reason God instructed them to exterminate the Canaanites was so the Israelites could have peace and so the Canaanites would not be a frequent thorn in their sides. It was the only way. But make no mistake, you are not judging Moses but God Almighty in his Judgements and who are you to do such a thing since you get your very conscience from God himself. Personally I think you are wasting your time with your beliefs unless there is a chance that you will see sense and repent. As I said, I will pray for you because you need prayer and guidance. I will leave you with a very important verse.


The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Trust the word of God and not your own Judgements.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26912580


YES, even though you don't realise it, and I'll allow you to find out more about it yourself, there is a spiritual law that you break when you pray for someone without their permission.

Here, let me give you an example to assist in your education. Say I was a Satanist, (which I am not), and I prayed to Satan on behalf of you, without your knowledge. Would that be wrong?

Now with your answers above I think you failed GOD'S IQ test, in several areas.

1. You, in all your knowledgeable glory as a meagre human say "But make no mistake, you are not judging Moses but God Almighty" - HOGWASH! I am not judging GOD at all - That was an epic fail!

Please don't bare false witness - you are breaking a commandment!

2. Then you happily break another rule of "Two wrongs don't make a right" by telling me how terrible the Canaanites were
and justify Moses' crimes as righteous judgement. You obviously haven't studied MOSES, and you obviously don't understand justice and the law.

Here is a little gem for your pleasure

Numbers 31:15-18 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


Now even if the Midianites were terrible people the children are still innocent, and slavery is still wrong, and how many of the women were later raped?

Again to accept this as "from GOD" is an epic fail. It is ethnic cleansing!

3. Earlier I showed you how Moses ordered dust to be put in holy water to test a woman's fidelity and to bring on an abortion. So are you saying GOD is pro abortion in some cases?

MOSES was and is a war criminal - by any standard.

The fact that you can justify attrocities in GOD's name is simply sad!

Perhaps you should pray for yourself! You seem to need it!
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
To answer this question, one must be familiar with the Genesis epic, the book of Enoch, and the Nephilim. It is important to realize that during the time of Genesis and the hybrids called the Nephilim that sometimes it was difficult to know who was a hybrid and who was born of natural causes (birthed by a woman, conceived by a man).

Jesus is clarifying that He is a 'son of man'. And, why would God Himself refer to Himself as the 'son of Himself'?

He wouldn't.

Jesus is God.
 Quoting: Salt


It's encryption.
Simple Gematria value of the word or phrase and multiply by 6.
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
it doesn't matter how many "scriptures" one posts,they are all mistranslated if not seen from first person spirit view...why do you think its written> the spirit brings all former things back to remembrance..< get a clue sheeple/beasts whom see flesh instead of spirit within...stop following the flesh and follow the spirit...jesus the christ is translated to> the flesh/jesus which contains the christ/spirit...the word christ means spirit...the spirit we all have> a house divided cannot stand...keep tripping over the concept stumbling blocks if your arks wish because you cannot stand without following the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


all of the scriptures - mistranslated = FALSE
 Quoting: Salt
...Jesus the Christ translates to> the flesh that contains the spirit,the same spirit is in everyone...besides exploding halogen bulbs and making a pain doctor stutter " ya you kn know you can use that for good or bad,dont you"?..i also Remote View the past and future,including the correct translations that the Vatican has locked away in their vaults so there versions can manipulate spirit filled arks into submission to concepts...all of them are not mistranslated,its the ones that lead away from the spirit within us all that have been corrupted because of greed and power some flesh seek over others...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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son of man is past lives in reincarnation as jesus was a soul extension. son of god is the first. That's my take.

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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
anyone is an antichrist if they deny the spirit within all of us...its said its blasphemy,for they deny themselves the spirit within themselves...the word Christ means Spirit and Jesus is the name of that flesh where the spirit also dwelt...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 11/04/2012 07:35 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
son of man is past lives in reincarnation as jesus was a soul extension. son of god is the first. That's my take.

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 Quoting: afistfullofsand 20426880
...and the spirit said through the flesh called jesus> ye must be born again...< that is reincarnation,our spirit cannot die but its creation can,just as all creations have a beginning and an end..the concept 'god' says, he is the alpha and omega,< this shows god has a beginning and an end but the spirit that created the concept of gods does not have a beginning and an end...if you believe in a beginning and an end then you also have a beginning and an end and that would be your flesh speaking without the spirit...some of you are acting like robots and you dont even realize it...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
Nephilim is a Hebrew word from the book of Genesis, translated to English having nothing to do with actual giants or fallen angels. The uninspired gnostic book of Enoch was not written by Enoch, and again has no inspiration. Jesus did not use the book of Enoch. It is not to be used as scripture.

[link to www.apostolic-churches.net]

Physical giants was the Hebrew word: rapha (Deu 2:11)

Angels do not breed or procreate. The passage has nothing to do with fallen angels, and all early Christian Bible commentators understood this.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to davelivingston.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26103646


any OT apocryphal book is NOT a gnostic text. the gnostics were a group of philosophers that came well after the new testament era (Jesus lifetime and the time of early church formation).

there is a BIG difference between the two.

Enoch's writings are in no way gnostic texts.
 Quoting: Salt


Yeshua was a God in the form of a man, but STILL A MAN, that came to fulfill a mission.


God WITH US!
 Quoting: S.O.S.


yes, and that is the context of His words when He states that He is the son of man (or the Son of man)

He is saying that He was born of a woman.
He also says He and the Father are one.

there are two things being said.

but, in the context of Son of man, it is about being of the Adamic line, born of a woman, and not born of angels/women.
 Quoting: Salt


God with us is right, born of mankind. The end. There is only one bloodline, from Adam. There is no angel breed or race. That's silly reptillian Icke malarkey. Angels do not breed with women or anything else. They are spirit. God is creator able to impregnate Mary, the virgin.
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i know you have been taught to think this way. but, without going into numerous paragraphs of explanation, this line of thinking would offer serious gaps and inaccuracies in the entire epic.
 Quoting: Salt


son of man is past lives in reincarnation as jesus was a soul extension. son of god is the first. That's my take.

[link to near-death.com]
 Quoting: afistfullofsand 20426880
...and the spirit said through the flesh called jesus> ye must be born again...< that is reincarnation,our spirit cannot die but its creation can,just as all creations have a beginning and an end..the concept 'god' says, he is the alpha and omega,< this shows god has a beginning and an end but the spirit that created the concept of gods does not have a beginning and an end...if you believe in a beginning and an end then you also have a beginning and an end and that would be your flesh speaking without the spirit...some of you are acting like robots and you dont even realize it...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


ye must repent lest the torment seen to befall ye come to pass. behold ye are greatly decieved and speak the lies of serpents.
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Poor little Salt, resorting to deleting posts that instill the fear of thinking for one's self.
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Poor little Salt, resorting to deleting posts that instill the fear of thinking for one's self.
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shut the hell up.
if your post was deleted, it's because you were being a rude ass.

otherwise, there were no opinions suppressed within this thread.
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
it doesn't matter how many "scriptures" one posts,they are all mistranslated if not seen from first person spirit view...why do you think its written> the spirit brings all former things back to remembrance..< get a clue sheeple/beasts whom see flesh instead of spirit within...stop following the flesh and follow the spirit...jesus the christ is translated to> the flesh/jesus which contains the christ/spirit...the word christ means spirit...the spirit we all have> a house divided cannot stand...keep tripping over the concept stumbling blocks if your arks wish because you cannot stand without following the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


all of the scriptures - mistranslated = FALSE
 Quoting: Salt
...50 percent of the scriptures and any other religions text are misworded and mistranslated..we are 50/50 spirit and flesh...see the words from first person spirit view and forget the fleshes view and anyone can retranslate them correctly...we are the spirit that created the religious concepts...there's nothing new under the sun...some are still asleep and some are awake and have been changed in the twinkling of an eye as their 3rd eye twinkles open and reveals the spirit within...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
it doesn't matter how many "scriptures" one posts,they are all mistranslated if not seen from first person spirit view...why do you think its written> the spirit brings all former things back to remembrance..< get a clue sheeple/beasts whom see flesh instead of spirit within...stop following the flesh and follow the spirit...jesus the christ is translated to> the flesh/jesus which contains the christ/spirit...the word christ means spirit...the spirit we all have> a house divided cannot stand...keep tripping over the concept stumbling blocks if your arks wish because you cannot stand without following the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


all of the scriptures - mistranslated = FALSE
 Quoting: Salt
...50 percent of the scriptures and any other religions text are misworded and mistranslated..we are 50/50 spirit and flesh...see the words from first person spirit view and forget the fleshes view and anyone can retranslate them correctly...we are the spirit that created the religious concepts...there's nothing new under the sun...some are still asleep and some are awake and have been changed in the twinkling of an eye as their 3rd eye twinkles open and reveals the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


completely wrong.

i am a seminary student.
there are no mistranslated books in the bible. there are a few words here and there that can have more than one meaning. the context is in tact. period, end of sentence.

if you like, i have several links to mechanical translations from the Hebrew and Greek.

you really have some very very distorted ideas.
very distorted.

i wouldn't lean on those ideas for long. even tho you get a lot of gain for your ego.
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
Nephilim is a Hebrew word from the book of Genesis, translated to English having nothing to do with actual giants or fallen angels. The uninspired gnostic book of Enoch was not written by Enoch, and again has no inspiration. Jesus did not use the book of Enoch. It is not to be used as scripture.

[link to www.apostolic-churches.net]

Physical giants was the Hebrew word: rapha (Deu 2:11)

Angels do not breed or procreate. The passage has nothing to do with fallen angels, and all early Christian Bible commentators understood this.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to davelivingston.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26103646


any OT apocryphal book is NOT a gnostic text. the gnostics were a group of philosophers that came well after the new testament era (Jesus lifetime and the time of early church formation).

there is a BIG difference between the two.

Enoch's writings are in no way gnostic texts.
 Quoting: Salt


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yes, and that is the context of His words when He states that He is the son of man (or the Son of man)

He is saying that He was born of a woman.
He also says He and the Father are one.

there are two things being said.

but, in the context of Son of man, it is about being of the Adamic line, born of a woman, and not born of angels/women.
 Quoting: Salt


God with us is right, born of mankind. The end. There is only one bloodline, from Adam. There is no angel breed or race. That's silly reptillian Icke malarkey. Angels do not breed with women or anything else. They are spirit. God is creator able to impregnate Mary, the virgin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26103646


i know you have been taught to think this way. but, without going into numerous paragraphs of explanation, this line of thinking would offer serious gaps and inaccuracies in the entire epic.
 Quoting: Salt


son of man is past lives in reincarnation as jesus was a soul extension. son of god is the first. That's my take.

[link to near-death.com]
 Quoting: afistfullofsand 20426880
...and the spirit said through the flesh called jesus> ye must be born again...< that is reincarnation,our spirit cannot die but its creation can,just as all creations have a beginning and an end..the concept 'god' says, he is the alpha and omega,< this shows god has a beginning and an end but the spirit that created the concept of gods does not have a beginning and an end...if you believe in a beginning and an end then you also have a beginning and an end and that would be your flesh speaking without the spirit...some of you are acting like robots and you dont even realize it...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


ye must repent lest the torment seen to befall ye come to pass. behold ye are greatly decieved and speak the lies of serpents.
 Quoting: spiritoftruth 26530436
...roflmao,repent to a religious concept we as spirit caused our flesh to create,you got to be joking...i overcame the world and received my new name with the white stone(white potassium iodide crystals) of revelations of the metaphors of Revelations...it takes 42 weeks if you eat the white Manna and follow the "god" diet or it can take up to 42 months of battling the beast/flesh if you just eat the Manna...the bible is scientific metaphors including metaphysical science of our spirit..."BIBLE" SHORT VERSION> adam and eve are our 2 fold spirit in paradise/the womb,we listen to free will /serpent and get kicked out of paradise...flesh is born and develops cain/desire and abel/humility and then our baby flesh kills abel and allows cain to lead it into the old testament/childhood and 1st temple/child body with its rules and regulations from our authority figures which symbolize god...then the new testament/adulthood/second temple and the concepts teach us "the golden rule"...then we overcome the world> we remember we are spirit that created the religious concepts and we symbolically build our 3rd temple where our remembered spirit rules over our flesh also remembering the "golden rule" which is the way of our spirit...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Re: Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?
it doesn't matter how many "scriptures" one posts,they are all mistranslated if not seen from first person spirit view...why do you think its written> the spirit brings all former things back to remembrance..< get a clue sheeple/beasts whom see flesh instead of spirit within...stop following the flesh and follow the spirit...jesus the christ is translated to> the flesh/jesus which contains the christ/spirit...the word christ means spirit...the spirit we all have> a house divided cannot stand...keep tripping over the concept stumbling blocks if your arks wish because you cannot stand without following the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


all of the scriptures - mistranslated = FALSE
 Quoting: Salt
...50 percent of the scriptures and any other religions text are misworded and mistranslated..we are 50/50 spirit and flesh...see the words from first person spirit view and forget the fleshes view and anyone can retranslate them correctly...we are the spirit that created the religious concepts...there's nothing new under the sun...some are still asleep and some are awake and have been changed in the twinkling of an eye as their 3rd eye twinkles open and reveals the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


completely wrong.

i am a seminary student.
there are no mistranslated books in the bible. there are a few words here and there that can have more than one meaning. the context is in tact. period, end of sentence.

if you like, i have several links to mechanical translations from the Hebrew and Greek.

you really have some very very distorted ideas.
very distorted.

i wouldn't lean on those ideas for long. even tho you get a lot of gain for your ego.
 Quoting: Salt
...roflmao,the Freemasons as we are called these days wrote the bible and staged history's...if your not a secret society member, you get the other version of history and the religious texts...go join and then tell me I'm wrong...I'm 99 degrees baby,i got it all and I'm revealing it all..and no one can stop me,its all in my 777 thread...whether people like it or not...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 11/11/2012 10:27 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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all of the scriptures - mistranslated = FALSE
 Quoting: Salt
...50 percent of the scriptures and any other religions text are misworded and mistranslated..we are 50/50 spirit and flesh...see the words from first person spirit view and forget the fleshes view and anyone can retranslate them correctly...we are the spirit that created the religious concepts...there's nothing new under the sun...some are still asleep and some are awake and have been changed in the twinkling of an eye as their 3rd eye twinkles open and reveals the spirit within...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


completely wrong.

i am a seminary student.
there are no mistranslated books in the bible. there are a few words here and there that can have more than one meaning. the context is in tact. period, end of sentence.

if you like, i have several links to mechanical translations from the Hebrew and Greek.

you really have some very very distorted ideas.
very distorted.

i wouldn't lean on those ideas for long. even tho you get a lot of gain for your ego.
 Quoting: Salt
...roflmao,the Freemasons as we are called these days wrote the bible and staged history's...if your not a secret society member, you get the other version of history and the religious texts...go join and then tell me I'm wrong...I'm 99 degrees baby,i got it all and I'm revealing it all..and no one can stop me,its all in my 777 thread...whether people like it or not...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg
PS,kiss the lies goodbye and this saying> if you tell the lies loud enough and long enough, the people will believe the lies...not anymore because i can and will help the truth get out to the world< those who haven't overcome the world...the bridge has been built between non secret society members and secret society members whether the secret members like it or not..

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 11/11/2012 10:32 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...