Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"? | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24931021 United States 10/28/2012 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When Jesus says he is the 'son of man', He is clarifying that He was born of a woman." Yes, but wouldn't you agree that Jesus would have us ponder and interpret multiple meanings for his sayings? He was a master of double entendre. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 10/28/2012 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When Jesus says he is the 'son of man', He is clarifying that He was born of a woman." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24931021 Yes, but wouldn't you agree that Jesus would have us ponder and interpret multiple meanings for his sayings? He was a master of double entendre. i don't think so. multiple facets of one truth, multiple layers that help us see the full view of the concept, yes. but, different meanings? no. |
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God Loves ALL User ID: 26279712 United States 10/28/2012 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus as Michael of Nebadon, indeed is our God of Nebadon. And he refered to himself as both son of man and son of God. He after all had a earth mother. Which gave him citizenship of this world by the incarnation. The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25628182 United States 10/28/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because he wasn't a man. He was assumed to be a man for his Likeness. He was merely a surrogate to the rest of humanity. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Life and Love User ID: 18613580 United States 10/28/2012 08:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When Jesus says he is the 'son of man', He is clarifying that He was born of a woman." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24931021 Yes, but wouldn't you agree that Jesus would have us ponder and interpret multiple meanings for his sayings? He was a master of double entendre. i don't think so. multiple facets of one truth, multiple layers that help us see the full view of the concept, yes. but, different meanings? no. Scripture continues to draw new things out of us as we mature in the faith and follow Jesus more closely. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 10/28/2012 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from the above link: But perhaps the most telling argument for 1 Enoch's "inspiration" may well be that the Jewish understanding of the term "Son of Man" as a Messianic title comes - not truly from our Old Testament canon - but from the Book of Enoch! Ever wonder why Jesus refers to himself in the gospels as the "Son of Man" rather than the Son of God? (2) Of over 100 uses of the phrase "son of man" in the OT, it refers almost always to "normal" men (93 times specifically of Ezekiel, and certainly not as Messiah!), but is used only one time in the entire OT, in one of Daniel's heavenly visions, to refer to divinity. Despite the Old Testament's frequent lack of divine application of the phrase, 1 Enoch records several trips to heaven, using the title "Son of Man" unceasingly to refer to the pre-incarnate Christ. Of particular Messianic significance, Enoch describes the following scene (2): The angels "glorify with all their power of praise; and He sustains them in all that act of thanksgiving while they laud, glorify and exalt the name of the Lord of Spirits forever and ever... Great was their joy. They blessed, glorified and exalted because the name of the Son of Man was revealed to them (1 Enoch 68:35-38)." Both His disciples, and especially the Sanhedrein knew what Jesus was claiming - 84 times in the gospels! - when referring to Himself as the "Son of Man." This claim was considered an obvious blasphemy to the Pharisees & Saducees, but it is eternal life to all who confess that Jesus of Nazareth was, and is, the Son of Man, The Messiah, God in the flesh, The Holy One of Israel, God's Christ - the Lord of All to whom every knee shall bow (Philippians 2:8-10). Using "normal rules" of scriptural interpretation, we are never to draw firm doctrine from only one passage of scripture. Right? Daniel's single use of "Son of Man" (in a "night vision" at that - Dan 7:13), would not be sufficient to claim that the phrase is indeed Messianic, especially given the other 107 times it is not used in that way. 1 Enoch is the missing "second witness" needed (according to all other rules of interpretation) to understand the phrase's double meaning as an enduring Messianic title. It has been argued ever since Enoch's first English translation, that by using this title so familiar to the jewish people, Jesus was actually affirming the truth of this book, that the prophet was taken on many trips to heaven before his "final" translation, and that HE WAS THE ONE whom Enoch saw there - the pre-existent Son of Man, whom Enoch prophesied would judge the souls of all men. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22241004 United States 10/28/2012 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "When Jesus says he is the 'son of man', He is clarifying that He was born of a woman." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24931021 Yes, but wouldn't you agree that Jesus would have us ponder and interpret multiple meanings for his sayings? He was a master of double entendre. i don't think so. multiple facets of one truth, multiple layers that help us see the full view of the concept, yes. but, different meanings? no. Well here's another 'facet' of one truth. He's also the Son of God. Seeing isn't believing in the case of Truth. The devils in Christian Scripture all see and know of who the Son is (also the Father they see and know of) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22241004 United States 10/28/2012 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It isn't 'son of man'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22241004 It's 'Son of man'. Father, Son, Spirit = God You're quarreling with the Trinity which nobody knows the clear definitive answer to. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. He's the Son not the son. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed. |
S.O.S. User ID: 23245990 United States 10/28/2012 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's right!!!! Because he said this: JOHN 14:8-14 8Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves. 12“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father. 13Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask mee anything in my name, I will do it. ...and that last vese Jesus tells us to pray to Him... The bible makes it clear we are to pray to God only. Yeshua was a God in the form of a man, but STILL A MAN, that came to fulfill a mission. To live a perfect life, sin fee, then to lay down that life for the sins fo the world.... AS A MAN. However, His own words tells us that He and the Father are one. If you look at Him you look at God. He was called Emanuel in the old testament for a reason... God WITH US! Last Edited by S.O.S. on 10/28/2012 09:20 PM Govt (CIA/Army/Navy/KGB) docs in “Government Documents Admit Flat Earth” [link to youtu.be (secure)] Globbers look up in trying to prove the world is a globe. They should be looking down at the Earth they stand on. How stars work in the FE model: [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1190661 Australia 10/28/2012 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why does the Bible say this when Jesus called himself "Son of Man" all the time? Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? AMAZING! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22241004 United States 10/28/2012 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The title is appropriate because of its unique fusion of human and divine elements. A 'son of man' is simply an expression that describes a human being. In contrast to the strange beasts of Dan. 7, this is a figure who is normal, except for the authority he receives. In riding the clouds, this man is doing something otherwise left only to the description of divinity in the Old Testament (Exod. 14:20; 34:5; Num. 10:34; Ps. 104:3; Isa. 19:1). In addition, the title was in Aramaic an indirect way to refer to oneself, making it a less harsh way to make a significant claim. Despite its indirectness, the nature of Jesus' consistent use of the term makes it clear that he was referring to himself, not someone else" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22241004 United States 10/28/2012 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why does the Bible say this when Jesus called himself "Son of Man" all the time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661 Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? AMAZING! read above It's Son NOT son |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1190661 Australia 10/28/2012 09:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why does the Bible say this when Jesus called himself "Son of Man" all the time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661 Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? AMAZING! read above It's Son NOT son Sorry BUT it can't be... Jesus spoke Aramaic... There are no capitals in Aramaic or Hebrew. Next false teaching! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26496167 United Kingdom 10/28/2012 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It isn't 'son of man'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22241004 It's 'Son of man'. Father, Son, Spirit = God You're quarreling with the Trinity which nobody knows the clear definitive answer to. The father in me died when I Wouldn't surrender my love for her. He pulled me out in spirit and told me to come out of her to his right hand I sat down becoming the son with only love left in my being which is the true nature of the spirit my transition through all three which in essence is the the trinity [link to upload.wikimedia.org] Me and the father are one... :) Bottom left and middle are the same? :) [link to ldmart315.edublogs.org] how do I begin to articulate the daily struggle of bringing the truth to light ? there's only one truth LOVE |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26508846 United States 10/28/2012 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ways Jesus used "Son of Man" was as in the Messianic title (See Enoch 1). The way the OT typically used it was NOT a title but simply a description. Son of man, the description, essentially means Human being. When you are talking about angles and watchers etc. it becomes important to clarify when you are talking about a son of man.. So you and are a son of man, Jesus is THE Son of Man. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26510026 Thailand 10/28/2012 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | or 'a man' or 'just a man' as a story, the apostles don't know that he is the messiah, and 'the story itself' is that he is relealing that he is the 'son of god'. they then only realize this, when he is raised up. this is basic stuff.. everyone should know this.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26103646 United States 10/28/2012 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nephilim is a Hebrew word from the book of Genesis, translated to English having nothing to do with actual giants or fallen angels. The uninspired gnostic book of Enoch was not written by Enoch, and again has no inspiration. Jesus did not use the book of Enoch. It is not to be used as scripture. [link to www.apostolic-churches.net] Physical giants was the Hebrew word: rapha (Deu 2:11) Angels do not breed or procreate. The passage has nothing to do with fallen angels, and all early Christian Bible commentators understood this. [link to www.youtube.com] [link to davelivingston.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22241004 United States 10/28/2012 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why does the Bible say this when Jesus called himself "Son of Man" all the time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661 Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? AMAZING! read above It's Son NOT son Sorry BUT it can't be... Jesus spoke Aramaic... There are no capitals in Aramaic or Hebrew. Next false teaching! "The key to this title and Jesus' use of it is the imagery of Dan. 7:13-14, where the term is not a title but a description of a figure who rides the clouds and receives authority directly from God in heaven. The Old Testament background to the title does not emerge immediately in Jesus' ministry, but is connected to remarks made to the disciples at the Olivet discourse and Jesus' reply at his examination by the Jewish leadership. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22241004 The title is appropriate because of its unique fusion of human and divine elements. A 'son of man' is simply an expression that describes a human being. In contrast to the strange beasts of Dan. 7, this is a figure who is normal, except for the authority he receives. In riding the clouds, this man is doing something otherwise left only to the description of divinity in the Old Testament (Exod. 14:20; 34:5; Num. 10:34; Ps. 104:3; Isa. 19:1). In addition, the title was in Aramaic an indirect way to refer to oneself, making it a less harsh way to make a significant claim. Despite its indirectness, the nature of Jesus' consistent use of the term makes it clear that he was referring to himself, not someone else" In addition, the title was in Aramaic an indirect way to refer to oneself, making it a less harsh way to make a significant claim. Despite its indirectness, the nature of Jesus' consistent use of the term makes it clear that he was referring to himself, not someone else" As I said, read above. Seeing isn't believing. Matt 16:4\/\/\/ A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26508846 United States 10/28/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nephilim is a Hebrew word from the book of Genesis, translated to English having nothing to do with actual giants or fallen angels. The uninspired gnostic book of Enoch was not written by Enoch, and again has no inspiration. Jesus did not use the book of Enoch. It is not to be used as scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26103646 [link to www.apostolic-churches.net] Physical giants was the Hebrew word: rapha (Deu 2:11) Angels do not breed or procreate. The passage has nothing to do with fallen angels, and all early Christian Bible commentators understood this. [link to www.youtube.com] [link to davelivingston.com] For one, Enoch was apocrypha but definitely not Gnostic. It was a 2nd temple Era Jewish text that all of Jesus' disciples would have understood. The book of Jude also clearly references it. Now as for the Nephilim part of Genesis, how do you explain the "Sons of God" and "Daughters of Man" having offspring? It's pretty clear when you look at the Hebrew "Sons (plural) of Elohim" and "Daughters of Adam". Why would it be wrong of me to understand the scriptures on my own without relying on an "official" meaning? |
christian Suited up and Armored in Christ! User ID: 6038128 United States 10/28/2012 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SON OF MAN means he will rule the nations as a MAN from Jerusalem that does not mean he will cease from being the SON of GOD It is the Manifestation of GOD and MAN.... Susie For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1 |