Why does Jesus refer to Himself as the "son of man" and not the "son of God"?

I heard that a lot of people who go to seminary school as Christians leave as non-Christians. Is there any truth to this rumor?

You are assuming I have never lived that life. You could not be more wrong. My anti-religious stance is BECAUSE of what I have lived through, and thankfully woke up and escaped from. Like I said - skip the middle man of religion, connect to the Creator one on one.

if you can get through the first year, you will make it to completion. it is the novice that is tempted to lose faith without first understanding the entire picture. the first steps on the journey are very eye-opening.

I've never been to seminary, so I enjoy reading OP's posts and seeing her spiritual journey here. But I have several friends who have either completed seminary or are currently enrolled. Everyone says that their seminary experiences are a "stripping away" of what others have told them or what they themselves may have assumed without a lot of thought. It is like burning away the dross to find the gold that remains.

And, sadly, some students didn't have a lot of gold to start with. In their cases, they probably left as non-Christians though some follow other spiritual paths.

because he was the son of a man,and a woman,was later after holy spirit came to him that he was then called son of god.

you have explained it well. it is a massive, intense stripping away of all the magical stuff a lot of us are falsely taught. takes it down to reality and bare bones, lots of historical perspectives, archaeological stuff, etc. but, there is no denying that Jesus IS the messiah. And the writings and prophecies and requirements that he fulfilled is absolutely earth-shattering amazing.

i took a World Religions class, and the professor was leading us to believe that Zoroastrianism came before Judiasm. He strung us along this way for a couple weeks. Toward the end of the class, he showed us several facts that revealed that Judaism came first AND prophecied that a Zoroastrian king would be a vessel of God in a particular circumstance 500 years before this king was even born.

he really had me going there for a bit.

The idea of the trinity is a false doctrine created and perpetuated by man .And the idea is not even compatible with the original languages of the Bible .Because the language is much more complicated than English. And the original manuscripts have no concept of the trinity.

unless you can prove your point with some semblence of data, your post is completely useless.

THE Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there ... is utterly without foundation."

Was there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: "On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology.... And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism:'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God.'"

Those words are found at Deuteronomy 6:4. The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) here reads: "Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh."* In the grammar of that verse, the word "one" has no plural modifiers to suggest that it means anything but one individual.

The Christian apostle Paul did not indicate any change in the nature of God either, even after Jesus came to the earth. He wrote: "God is only one."—Galatians 3:20; see also 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.

Thousands of times throughout the Bible, God is spoken of as one person. When he speaks, it is as one undivided individual. The Bible could not be any clearer on this. As God states: "I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory." (Isaiah 42:8) "I am Yahweh your God ... You shall have no gods except me." (Italics ours.)—Exodus 20:2, 3, JB.

Why would all the God-inspired Bible writers speak of God as one person if he were actually three persons? What purpose would that serve, except to mislead people? Surely, if God were composed of three persons, he would have had his Bible writers make it abundantly clear so that there could be no doubt about it. At least the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures who had personal contact with God's own Son would have done so. But they did not.

Instead, what the Bible writers did make abundantly clear is that God is one Person—a unique, unpartitioned Being who has no equal: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God." (Isaiah 45:5) "You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth."—Psalm 83:18.

Not a Plural God

That's a good way to illustrate how easy it is to be drawn in to a belief based on a few strung together "facts."

The best (or worse) exegesis example I ever heard about was the preacher in the 1920s or 1930s who was against women wearing their hair up in a bun called a "top knot." And he would get on the radio preaching that this was a sin and the Bible said so. He would quote scripture saying, "Top knot come down.... top knot come down. That's in the Bible: Matt. 24:17. So do as scripture commands you..."

But when you read that passage it says: "Let him who is on the house top not come down to take anything out of his house."

The difference between the true Church that began at Jerusalem and the Catholic Nico-Latins is the Oneness Monarchian Message.

Few realize that the trinity doctrine that was adopted at the Council of Nicaea and thereafter molded into several Creeds , descends from Mystery Babylon via Greek philosophy in Plato's theories, and from Jewish Gnosticism, not from the Bible.


Yet the Catholics all teach, that if a person does not believe in the trinity doctrine of Mystery Babylon, that person can not be saved. According to them, you and I can not be saved unless we believe Greek philosophy and Jewish Gnosticism that has reinterpreted God different from how God identified himself.

This is wrong. Jesus did not ordain philosophers or Gnostic mystics, he ordained Apostles to be the authorities of Church doctrine. One great difference between the Arians, the Trinity-arians, Greek Plato philosophy, Mystery Babylon, and the true Apostolic Christians, is the Oneness Monarchian Message.


ll Pagan religions from the time of Babylon, have adopted in one form or another a trinity doctrine or a triad or trinity of gods. In Babylon it was Nimrod, Semiramas, and Tammuz; In Egypt it was Osiris, Isis, and Horus; within Israel pagan gnosticism it was Kether, Hokhmah, and Binah; In Plato's philosophy it was the Unknown Father, Nous/Logos, and the world soul. But in Old Testament Judaism there was only One God, a numerical ONE. The difference between paganism and God's people has always been the Oneness Monarchian Message reinforced by the First Commandment that prohibits any theory of a plurality.

Please don't pray for me... To do so without my permission would be to break a spiritual law.

The fact that Jesus mentions MOSES makes no difference to me whatsoever. Moses misrepresented GOD continually.

The fact that the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat probably shows why it is Moses' seat!

I am not a follower of Yeshua and as many verses were added to the Bible by scribes and we are learning from copies of copies and doctored copies, I wouldn't rely on things that don't make sense.

Moses was a war criminal - The Bible tells me so.

GOD would not support a war criminal - My heart tells me so!

Hmm, no comment to that. To logical and down to earth for you? No indoctrinated verses to refute with? Is the concept of connecting to Creator on your own too much to perceive?

But I digress. Continue your path of learning what man tells you to learn.

Wrong. He was born from the Spirit, from the beginning of his life.

Really? And what spiritual law would that be? I only recognize the Holy Law of God Almighty, the Holy Torah. So you are a Christian if I can even call you that who picks and chooses what to believe in the Bible? Really Man, that is not a good path to be on. As I said before, you will fall from the Righteous path if you do not correct and acknowledge the errors of your way. A war criminal? Really? That is preposterous. Have you even read the old testament fully and do you understand how evil the Canaanites were? It was Righteous Judgement dammit! God let them reach a certain point in their wickedness till he would let the Israelites come in and give them the land. Yes, some of it seems harsh but the World back then was very harsh and violent, much much worse than today. And the only reason God instructed them to exterminate the Canaanites was so the Israelites could have peace and so the Canaanites would not be a frequent thorn in their sides. It was the only way. But make no mistake, you are not judging Moses but God Almighty in his Judgements and who are you to do such a thing since you get your very conscience from God himself. Personally I think you are wasting your time with your beliefs unless there is a chance that you will see sense and repent. As I said, I will pray for you because you need prayer and guidance. I will leave you with a very important verse.


The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

Trust the word of God and not your own Judgements.

so, technically jesus is born of a women that got raped by an entity!

Ever wondered why criminals had it easy for all that time?

because God is a war criminal and support only his kind.

This riddle gets me everytime, it's so simple. SUN of man. He is the light.

raped? no.
she was approached by the angel, Gabriel.
the plan was explained.
she was honored above all women (for her humble nature and willingness to do God's will)


there was no rape.

God is not a war criminal.
But, man, well....that's another story.

mankind is savage and fallen.

who is god to judge humanity? Why can't we judge god?

what about the law that you shall not judge others!
But god reserve himself the previlege to do so.

that is the outright behaviour of a tyranical leader!

Based on what the bible has to offer!

Anyone can write a good science fiction book! Some are not necerly better then others! but some book become prophecies when people put too much beleif in the fairytale!

If god cared enough to write a bible about how to think and live. he would live among us and teach us all how to think and live. He would not let wars go as they go!

Unless god is just the figment of people imagination!

not saying it's a bad thing. Just that When you know more about a non-material being rather then you know yourself. You end up guilible and not knowing what your desires are and who you are!

It's ok to fallow god. But i highly suggest you know yourself inside out before going that path.

Spirit means Breath, dumbass. Breath of Life.

"A light for the Gentiles". Don´t stay pagan, though.

I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth Isaiah 49:6

fallow God? hmmm...

mankind is a creation. we are not the creator.
mankind is not above his Creator.
scripture is historically, archaeologically sound. it is not science fiction (as much as you hope it to be)
God does live among us. He is a living God, omnipresent, and does teach us how to think and live. He offers it, you have the choice to accept it or not.

material things are not where God lives.
material things are temporary. don't put your faith in such meager elements.

man is not the center of the universe.
learn to humble yourself, then you will understand how important you really are.

no need to call other names... You get what you deserve..."quoting you" dumbass!

Did not help you anyway.

You are a typical indoctrinated religitard Salt, ignoring the most basic and simple concept of oneness; never able follow the spirit Creator put inside you, always being told what to think, what to believe, and what verses to spew.

Sad ............ damn well sad.

lmao.
you have no idea who i am or what i think.
but, your post clearly reveals YOUR character.

Because he came out of a woman's vagina.

Every one of your posts dictate what you think.

So then, since it is so clear to you, tell me of my character, even though you already wrongly assumed my person based upon a mere sentence.

it doesn't matter how many "scriptures" one posts,they are all mistranslated if not seen from first person spirit view...why do you think its written> the spirit brings all former things back to remembrance..< get a clue sheeple/beasts whom see flesh instead of spirit within...stop following the flesh and follow the spirit...jesus the christ is translated to> the flesh/jesus which contains the christ/spirit...the word christ means spirit...the spirit we all have> a house divided cannot stand...keep tripping over the concept stumbling blocks if your arks wish because you cannot stand without following the spirit within...