Drudgery: Watching for Clues

I don't think we will see Shria here on a significant scale. There are too many Catholic based Mexicans coming in. I have never personally met a Mexican Muslim.

Re. our elections, I do believe we have reached the point where the illusion is no longer necessary. The media and entertainment industry will see to it that it's cool and progressive to literally burn the Constitution so The One can proceed unhindered by pesky representatives and judges. This will be especially true if the expected natural(?) disasters strike us, which includes blinding us by taking down our ability to get alternative news.

True, Japan is probably planning more than we know. They do have a history of mindless masses worshiping leaders.

Not sure about which is more evil, Islam or the RCC. I think it's the latter, being a student of Bible prophecy and all. The RCC is infamous for its creative ways to torture people and has been at it longer than Islam. And I do believe the CIA is what created the current form of this monster, or at least shot it up with steroids.

Perhaps you are right. What do you make of the Pope praying in...what was it...Arabic?

Ecumenism, a.k.a. The Borg.

The hive mind.

Yep. Tell the masses that God will punish them forever if they don't obey their earthly masters, and all you need to do is control the masters. Huge amount of leverage.

Lucky for us the master's minions have the insatiable tendency to fuck each other over.

True! And that's the Achilles' Heel of evil: it is ultimately self-destructive. It can only consume, not create; take, not give; kill, not enliven. Its end is to consume itself.

Yes. It is our function to help them along. Enter the trickster.

Ok. The McDonald's sign is eerily reminiscent of an Egyptian glyph depicting a boat in the same orientation as the McDonald's sign.

The glyph is somewhere in aether's thread.

I saw that too!

IF Drudge is doing anything at all, it's no different from any other news site, and is thus more about rubbing it in our faces that we have no control over anything than giving warnings.

I've been following the voter fraud thread today, if for no other reason than to see how many other people realize that we haven't had any real choices for decades at the least. Some talk about revamping this or taking over that, but when the house is infested with termites to this degree, there is nothing left but to burn it all down.

And we have no ability to do that. If we have guns and ammo, they have ten times as much. If we have patriots, they have a hundred times as many soulless traitors. If we are self-sufficient we are deemed traitors. If we give up and stop working because we'll only have our labor used to pay for leeches, they will put us in the camps.

God help us all.

Discarding hope is ok.

Don't dare discard your intent.

Remember the code, my friend.

Rest assured I would fight to the very end, even in the face of hopelessness.

Yes. The outcome doesn't really matter. Death is unavoidable.

Impeccability cannot be threatened.

That's really what all this has been about, isn't it? Character and principle in a time of great upheaval and uncertainty.

The world is so saturated with deception that we have to hold every slice of bread up to a bright light before we can eat it. The twisted, evil Powers That Be love watching us do this, almost as much as they love telegraphing their intentions. They love giving us hope and then yanking it away at the last minute.

As an American, I have had to witness the slow and painful death of my country, and there comes a point where one must recognize defeat. But as a Christian, I do believe there will be ultimate justice, and that I must run the race to win and never quit, especially since the finish line is only inches away. All I can do is keep watching and reporting, and offering any advice I can to anyone who might ask, as to how to navigate such treacherous waters, though I myself hardly know them any better.

Same here. I only know that any moment could be my last. The only balancing force to the terror of life is the wonder of life.

With proper balance comes a sense of direction.

And sometimes, that means just holding your ground.

The recent hurricane aftermath is a good case study in all this. Why do people care about the suffering? Why do the suffering try to stay alive? How can they lose everything and still give out of their dire need to even feed a stray dog? Times like these show beyond dispute that this life is much more than meets the eye, and that the meaning of life comes from the conviction that this is only the beginning, a test of character and endurance.

We have to believe that this is only the beginning. We also have to believe that we won't be around to witness all of it. Thus the mystery. Thus the steadfast.

We are only screwed if we bend over and bow.

Completely agree. The world truly is screwed as the AC said, but God will not allow it to go on like this much longer. In fact, I see this "election" as the final straw, the signal that "there is no more delay". Financial, political, natural, and spiritual indicators are all blinking red and sounding the alarm buzzer.

When I first came here, I posted some threads on the gospel and the prophetic sequence, partly as a last-minute appeal to the lost, and partly as something the "left behind" might remember and be ultimately saved. Knowing what's about to happen should be a fire lit under every Christian to spread the gospel in these final minutes.

It's funny... I've been in more Christian message boards than I can remember, and several political boards, plus a few conspiracy ones, but GLP of all places has been the one where I've felt at all comfortable. Most Christians ban me or encourage me to leave, and most others hate Christians or libertarians so much they can't help but continually rage and flame. That happens somewhat here, but not close to the same amount, and the Christians here have largely been more affirming and reasonable. I have to think it's due to the kind of Christians that would even come here, like the kind who would go to ghettos or third-world countries to help the poor.

As Jesus put it, it's the sick who need a doctor, not the well. I can only hope that one or two people have been positively impacted by something I said.

Sure, well, one of them is right here. Me.

I was raised a christian. Raised on Keith Green's music. In and out of the Baptist, Assembly of God, and finally non-denominational churches.

But, I don't consider myself a 'Christian' per se. I've seen Christianity's influence in America fall so far in such a short period of time...it's breathtaking.

I see Churches focused on Materialistic success, calling that 'gifts' from God. I see other churches preaching to 'obey' the government regardless of the morality of law...that this idea is Biblical.

I departed from that way to seek a better understanding of myself and the nature of the infinite mystery of this world.

I found a philosophy that I couldn't argue with. One that was solely focused on eliminating personal history. One that recognized that personal history is what ties us to our fellow man.

I follow this philosophy because it is the closest thing to my childhood view of what a devout christian should be like. In the world. Not of the world.

The only way to be that way is to eliminate personal history by the use of minimizing self-importance, taking responsibility for one's acts, and using death as an adviser.

Instead of praying, I should try to seek the discipline of a silent mind. Instead of talking to 'God', we should try listening to him.

And it takes tremendous self discipline to stop talking to ourselves about ourselves and focus our awareness on our connecting link with spiritual intent.

Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 11/08/2012 01:14 PM

I completely agree with you about the empty impostor that is "churchianity". My family has a long tradition in it, including pastors, and we all grew up as church musicians, some of us teachers and deacons as well. So we were always there, all my first 47 years. And though we told ourselves it was for the glory and service of God, we knew it was really a performance, entertainment, with the intent of making people feel spiritual for an hour once a week. I could say a lot more about the whole "worship service" psychological manipulation, the Sunday School where nobody ever graduates, and the endless pressure to conform and fork over money. I even wrote some books about it at [link to books.fether.net] .

Yet from personal Bible study I knew this was nothing like Jesus taught or the NT taught. (more at [link to www.fether.net] , especially the link at the bottom called "Three Laws Saved") We said it was a relationship rather than a religion, but the irony of saying it in a sanctuary, with sacred furniture and rituals, escaped most of us. But it really is a relationship, a reconciliation with God through faith in the risen Jesus, as I explain at Thread: A Bird's-eye View of History According to the Bible .

If a person accepts Jesus as God in the flesh who died and rose again, and does so for the purpose of being with God forever rather than merely escaping hell or getting material goods in this life, they will be saved and be adopted as children of God. And IF a person truly understands and accepts this reconciliation, they will realize that spiritual birth is not the end but the beginning. This is where good deeds and repentance from sin come in: how could we claim to be reconciled with someone if we ignore them or keep doing things they hate?

When I came to see all of this, I began to lose myself and be filled more with Jesus, with the Holy Spirit, to the point where I have lost all interest in this world. I just don't belong here anymore. It bothers me to need physical things, but this is only temporary. Because I love Jesus for making it so easy to be reconciled to God, I live to pass on this "good news", and to try and model for others what Jesus did for me.

When it comes to discipline, the very essence of the word "disciple", I remember a great illustration I heard once: Does a person need discipline to make themselves eat a bowl of delicious ice cream? No, because it's something they crave, something they want. So it should be with Jesus; we should put Him first, put the relationship first, and then all the years of spiritual growth will not be discipline or work at all, but a joy.

To me, prayer is not an eloquent speech given mostly to impress God or people, but the way I'd talk to a respected parent or mentor. God is always there, and we communicate mostly without any words at all. It is a "knowing" that I really can't describe, and it requires no meditation practices or postures. It is as natural and spontaneous as breathing. To meditate is to not empty my mind but to fill it; as Paul wrote to the Philippians, "whatever is noble... think about such things".

Though I do trust God that many will be saved on the thinnest of threads just because He is merciful, I also believe that such people as you described (assuming they're saved at all), will deeply regret losing the rewards they could have had, if only they had been disciples and not just believers.

Gotta stop typing for now; arthritis can be a royal pain.

finding threads like this (and especially the last page of posts) is like finding a jewel in the dirt...like finding treasure. Thanks for your eloquence.

You're quite welcome, and thank you for saying so. Affirmation is as rare a gem as any. God bless.

Well, sir, just know that there are some out here who see the spirit work in other people, even if the other people use different labels for different ideas.

Like you say, it's all about one's personal relationship with the spirit.

To view it properly, we have to look at each other on an individual basis. It doesn't matter to me that you call yourself a "Christian" and I don't.

What matters is that I respect your voice. I give it pause. I do so because I sense you respect mine.

When we stop listening to each other...when we stop giving each other turns to speak, we have lost our way with each other.

This world is full of people who talk over other people...people who don't realize that the people who they are talking to aren't listening to them. Or worse yet, they are.

They are listening and repeating. Down the totem pole it goes. Garbage in, garbage out. A world full of beggars.

I am ready to leave as soon as the spirit allows death to take me. I can't say that I wish for that to be sooner or later. We are all geared to survive...yet we have intended to die from the moment we are born.

Such a wonder, a terror, a mystery.

Yes, if a person says they're a Christian but cares less for people in front of them than Jesus did for those who weren't even born yet, it's counter-productive at best, and often drive people away from the Truth.

I freely admit to getting nasty with people at times, human that I am, but at least have come to the point where this is reserved for the truly hostile, especially if they claim to be fellow Christians who should know better. Sometimes there is more love shown by forceful opposition than by treasonous friendship. Even so, my intent is to keep refining that "sword" and my handling of it.

I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with you; it is indeed a rarity, especially in this place. All I would ask of you is to consider that Jesus is more than an unknowable spirit, and the only One who can turn a terror into supreme confidence and "that blessed hope". This is what Jesus meant by "you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"... free from terror or dread of what lies beyond, free from mystery.

Thanks again, very much.

The feeling is completely mutual. I too am no saint, neither am I a monster. These things are exclusive to the world of reason. And I am absolutely assured that intent is more engulfing than reason.

I also agree with your description of 'forceful opposition'.

It seems to be very similar to the four moods of 'stalking'. When I speak of stalking, I speak of stalking useful knowledge. Knowledge that enables the growth of the spirit and awareness.

Ruthlessness is an essential mood to develop, especially in this world of petty tyrants. This world is a spiritual battleground, and there is more at stake than just our own souls/spirits.

I look forward to the opportunity to continue our conversation in the coming days.

Absolutely.

Forget Drudge, check out the Google logo today. Very strange, including the moon reference.

And the explanation: [link to mashable.com]

Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 11/08/2012 05:40 PM