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Drudgery: Watching for Clues

 
Jonny Blaze

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Forget Drudge, check out the Google logo today. Very strange, including the moon reference.

And the explanation: [link to mashable.com]
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Interesting story.

With drudge today, he's got the headline 'read my lips' on a story about R's not budging on their tax position.

'read my lips' being a term that Bush 41 used and was pretty much the reason he lost in '92.

Is drudge saying the R's will cave? I think so.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Forget Drudge, check out the Google logo today. Very strange, including the moon reference.

And the explanation: [link to mashable.com]
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Interesting story.

With drudge today, he's got the headline 'read my lips' on a story about R's not budging on their tax position.

'read my lips' being a term that Bush 41 used and was pretty much the reason he lost in '92.

Is drudge saying the R's will cave? I think so.
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Boehner's already caving on Obamacare, so I would agree.
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What do you think of the seven navy seals getting punished for allegedly giving out 'secrets' to Electronic Arts for a video game?

Sounds like tying up of loose ends to me. Since they supposedly took out Bin Laden, a Chinook helicopter full of navy seals explodes.

Two former navy seals working with the CIA are killed in Benghazi.

And now 7 more are kicked out of the military.

It looks like they are cleaning house on the special forces.

Makes sense if they are planning on dismantling our military and handing the pieces over to the UN/NATO/whoever.

I wonder what if anything similar is happening to the other military branches special forces?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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What do you think of the seven navy seals getting punished for allegedly giving out 'secrets' to Electronic Arts for a video game?

Sounds like tying up of loose ends to me. Since they supposedly took out Bin Laden, a Chinook helicopter full of navy seals explodes.

Two former navy seals working with the CIA are killed in Benghazi.

And now 7 more are kicked out of the military.

It looks like they are cleaning house on the special forces.

Makes sense if they are planning on dismantling our military and handing the pieces over to the UN/NATO/whoever.

I wonder what if anything similar is happening to the other military branches special forces?
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


I think "it's just good business". Yes, the thugs are cleaning house before their guests arrive. When you have higher aspirations than mere President, you bow before the ones controlling those aspirations. And if they tell you to eliminate all dissent, you do it, esp. now that you have "more flexibility" and a free pass from the press.

They're tearing this country apart with both hands, hurrying to meet some esoteric deadline. And I'm sure we have only heard/seen the tip of the iceberg re. dead soldiers and special forces. If anyone loyal to the Constitution still exists in any position of power, they are practically out of time to organize any effective resistance.

People never wake up till it's too late.

On the other hand, I do believe God has a few wrenches to throw into TPTB's bicycle wheels.
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Jonny Blaze

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On the other hand, I do believe God has a few wrenches to throw into TPTB's bicycle wheels.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Let's hope so. If God has any affinity left for man, that is.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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On the other hand, I do believe God has a few wrenches to throw into TPTB's bicycle wheels.
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Let's hope so. If God has any affinity left for man, that is.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Here's what I believe is a possible sequence of events:

-- A huge nat. disaster such as the LA sinkhole/New Madrid and/or Yellowstone, possibly including a massive meteor shower, cripples the N. American continent
-- Just about that time, those who belong to Jesus are taken out of the world, and the ones who have died Christians will rise
-- Also just about that time, not sure whether before or after, the city of Damascus will be flattened overnight
-- A coalition of Muslim nations around Israel, led by Russia, masses their armies on the mountains of Israel, but God supernaturally decimates them
-- A world leader will arise who seems to have the answer for the middle east problems, making a deal between Israel and "many" that gets the Israelis to disarm in exchange for letting them build their temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem
-- There will be 3.5 years of strangeness and persecution but life is still livable
-- There will be 3.5 years of hell on earth, and all who have taken a pledge of loyalty to the world leader by taking his inscription on their forehead or right hand are doomed
-- Jesus comes back to defeat TPTB and begin a thousand years of peace through direct divine rule

In other words, I expect God to soon begin the final 7 years of judgment to put an end to death and suffering on this planet, making it painfully obvious that the time has come to choose either God or Satan. And because I believe this, I am all the more motivated to encourage everyone to choose God now, on His terms.
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Here's what I believe is a possible sequence of events:

-- A huge nat. disaster such as the LA sinkhole/New Madrid and/or Yellowstone, possibly including a massive meteor shower, cripples the N. American continent
-- Just about that time, those who belong to Jesus are taken out of the world, and the ones who have died Christians will rise
-- Also just about that time, not sure whether before or after, the city of Damascus will be flattened overnight
-- A coalition of Muslim nations around Israel, led by Russia, masses their armies on the mountains of Israel, but God supernaturally decimates them
-- A world leader will arise who seems to have the answer for the middle east problems, making a deal between Israel and "many" that gets the Israelis to disarm in exchange for letting them build their temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem
-- There will be 3.5 years of strangeness and persecution but life is still livable
-- There will be 3.5 years of hell on earth, and all who have taken a pledge of loyalty to the world leader by taking his inscription on their forehead or right hand are doomed
-- Jesus comes back to defeat TPTB and begin a thousand years of peace through direct divine rule

In other words, I expect God to soon begin the final 7 years of judgment to put an end to death and suffering on this planet, making it painfully obvious that the time has come to choose either God or Satan. And because I believe this, I am all the more motivated to encourage everyone to choose God now, on His terms.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Could be. Though I am personally wary of the idea of 'the rapture'. In my opinion, the idea itself benefits the enabling of tyrants to have their way with us.

Why would God intervene to save those who refuse to stand up for their own inalienable rights and the inalienable rights of others?

I'm just as uncomfortable with that idea as I am with pacifistic ideas. That belief that we just have to send out 'love' and 'tolerance' and we can win over the most twisted among us.

To me, these beliefs don't apply to psychopaths and sociopaths because they don't honor anything but their own indulgences.

True universal spiritual law must include everyone and be applicable to everyone.

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Could be. Though I am personally wary of the idea of 'the rapture'. In my opinion, the idea itself benefits the enabling of tyrants to have their way with us.

Why would God intervene to save those who refuse to stand up for their own inalienable rights and the inalienable rights of others?

I'm just as uncomfortable with that idea as I am with pacifistic ideas. That belief that we just have to send out 'love' and 'tolerance' and we can win over the most twisted among us.

To me, these beliefs don't apply to psychopaths and sociopaths because they don't honor anything but their own indulgences.

True universal spiritual law must include everyone and be applicable to everyone.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


As many who are hostile to Christianity love to point out, violence and vengeance are things that God Himself does, so there must be situations or time when this is the right thing to do. Christians are supposed to wait for God's vengeance rather than take judgment into their own hands, on a personal basis at least. But not even the most ardent pacifist would say that society should not lock up violent criminals, because that would mean exposing everyone else to the criminals, who would simply maim and kill everyone they could.

There's a great line from the move Ben Hur, in a scene where the main character (Charlton Heston) is talking with another man about a third, pacifist one who had just left. "He is a good man, but until all men are like him, we must keep our swords sharp and our intentions true". To fail to protect our own people is not only to fail to love them, but to betray them. We live in a world crawling with evil, malevolent, incorrigible tyrants who have proven that they will never change. Violent resistance is all they understand.

God's method of intervention has been simply to keep us in bounds, so to speak. Though the world has been under the jurisdiction of Satan since Adam sinned, his lease is about to expire. He is patient with people and gives them plenty of time to decide which kingdom they want to live in, but eventually even God runs out of patience. People will be held responsible for what they knew and how they lived. As I like to say about atheists, they want God to keep bad things from happening, but they also want God to leave them alone; there is no pleasing them.

None of us can answer every question or solve every riddle, but I trust the First Cause to sort it all out in the end. If God isn't a fair and righteous judge, then there is no such thing as justice, and nothing really matters. But if there is no God, then all the pain and injustice suffered in this life will go unpunished, which is grossly unfair to the victims. Yet it is my faith in God which empowers me to not live in the misery of trying to pay back anyone who may harm me in this life.

Just as I wouldn't refuse to drive a car unless I fully understood how every part of it worked, so also I don't refuse to follow and trust God unless he answers every question and immediately rights every wrong. He will give us the answers eventually, if we're patient.
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On the other hand, I do believe God has a few wrenches to throw into TPTB's bicycle wheels.
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Let's hope so. If God has any affinity left for man, that is.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Hope he still loves us more than we've loved him.
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On the other hand, I do believe God has a few wrenches to throw into TPTB's bicycle wheels.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Let's hope so. If God has any affinity left for man, that is.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Hope he still loves us more than we've loved him.
 Quoting: Garman906


Guaranteed. He will show mercy-- to those who ask for it.
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None of us can answer every question or solve every riddle, but I trust the First Cause to sort it all out in the end. If God isn't a fair and righteous judge, then there is no such thing as justice, and nothing really matters. But if there is no God, then all the pain and injustice suffered in this life will go unpunished, which is grossly unfair to the victims. Yet it is my faith in God which empowers me to not live in the misery of trying to pay back anyone who may harm me in this life.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I believe that victory, defeat, and suffering are all various ways to describe struggle. Because we choose to buy into the illusion of victory and defeat, persecutors and victims are what we see.

If I were to strive to pay back anyone who tried to harm me or who wronged me, I would quickly exhaust myself in the process. I would have no direction in my life. My every move would be dictated by the actions of my fellow man.

Being a spiritual warrior is not about revenge or personal gain. If someone attempts to harm me I will calculate whether or not it is worth it to become entangled in it.

Sometimes it is far easier to change one's own routines to deny people access to me. It's a concept called being inaccessible.

However, certain times in our lives, we come across petty tyrants that do have the power to make our lives more difficult and we must deal with these tyrants personally.

One can say without much exaggeration, that the structure of the world of man would be profoundly affected if enough people learned how to deal with their personal petty tyrants with effective impunity.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I believe that victory, defeat, and suffering are all various ways to describe struggle. Because we choose to buy into the illusion of victory and defeat, persecutors and victims are what we see.

If I were to strive to pay back anyone who tried to harm me or who wronged me, I would quickly exhaust myself in the process. I would have no direction in my life. My every move would be dictated by the actions of my fellow man.

Being a spiritual warrior is not about revenge or personal gain. If someone attempts to harm me I will calculate whether or not it is worth it to become entangled in it.

Sometimes it is far easier to change one's own routines to deny people access to me. It's a concept called being inaccessible.

However, certain times in our lives, we come across petty tyrants that do have the power to make our lives more difficult and we must deal with these tyrants personally.

One can say without much exaggeration, that the structure of the world of man would be profoundly affected if enough people learned how to deal with their personal petty tyrants with effective impunity.
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Agree. But there is an additional element, the evil of beings much more powerful than us, that makes the whole thing worse than it would have been, and a most unfair and tilted playing field. This is why God must intervene, why we cannot save ourselves, why there must be a final settling of scores. We can make individual choices about whether to forgive someone or to cry out for justice, but God will have the final say over everything that has happened to mankind.

In other words, I don't believe that even if people did learn these lessons for the most part, it's that supernatural evil that must be dealt with, and the few people who on their own would still try to ruin the lives of others.
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Agree. But there is an additional element, the evil of beings much more powerful than us, that makes the whole thing worse than it would have been, and a most unfair and tilted playing field. This is why God must intervene, why we cannot save ourselves, why there must be a final settling of scores. We can make individual choices about whether to forgive someone or to cry out for justice, but God will have the final say over everything that has happened to mankind.

In other words, I don't believe that even if people did learn these lessons for the most part, it's that supernatural evil that must be dealt with, and the few people who on their own would still try to ruin the lives of others.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


My friend, why would you believe that there exists evil beings that are more powerful than us?

Do we not have free will? Does there exist a force powerful enough to override it? Have you ever encountered a being capable of making you do things against your God given free will?

Death is unavoidable. Once we acquiesce to that fact, nothing can threaten our impeccable intent. And indeed, our impeccability is all we own in this world.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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My friend, why would you believe that there exists evil beings that are more powerful than us?

Do we not have free will? Does there exist a force powerful enough to override it? Have you ever encountered a being capable of making you do things against your God given free will?

Death is unavoidable. Once we acquiesce to that fact, nothing can threaten our impeccable intent. And indeed, our impeccability is all we own in this world.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


There are plenty of people who have seen demons and Satan. There are also plenty of people who have seen that the only Name they fear is that of Jesus. So all who belong to Jesus have the most powerful being of all to protect their souls from evil. Mankind, at least in this life, is not the most powerful being, and it would be arrogant to think otherwise, IMHO.

This does not impact free will at all. While I agree with you that no other being can override our will, they can and do overpower those who willingly give it to them. So what I mean by more powerful beings is that they can cause us much harm, and in fact are behind most of what goes wrong in this world. They are the true "powers that be", a phrase coined in the Bible to describe these "principalities" or malevolent spirits. The human beings that appear to be running the world have all given their allegiance to these malevolent spirits, which explains the long term of their plans as well as the complexity and cunning.

Physical death is indeed inevitable, though there is explicit scripture allowing for exceptions. But there is also spiritual death, meaning separation from God forever. To leave this world is to enter eternity in one of two realms or kingdoms, and one of the purposes of this life is to make that determination as I explained here: Thread: A Bird's-eye View of History According to the Bible . This life is not the end.
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There are plenty of people who have seen demons and Satan. There are also plenty of people who have seen that the only Name they fear is that of Jesus. So all who belong to Jesus have the most powerful being of all to protect their souls from evil. Mankind, at least in this life, is not the most powerful being, and it would be arrogant to think otherwise, IMHO.

This does not impact free will at all. While I agree with you that no other being can override our will, they can and do overpower those who willingly give it to them. So what I mean by more powerful beings is that they can cause us much harm, and in fact are behind most of what goes wrong in this world. They are the true "powers that be", a phrase coined in the Bible to describe these "principalities" or malevolent spirits. The human beings that appear to be running the world have all given their allegiance to these malevolent spirits, which explains the long term of their plans as well as the complexity and cunning.

Physical death is indeed inevitable, though there is explicit scripture allowing for exceptions. But there is also spiritual death, meaning separation from God forever. To leave this world is to enter eternity in one of two realms or kingdoms, and one of the purposes of this life is to make that determination as I explained here: Thread: A Bird's-eye View of History According to the Bible . This life is not the end.
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I still don't understand why you would believe that there are evil beings or malevolent spirits more powerful than yourself.

After all, if God is with you, who can be against you? On an individual level concerning your own free will, this is obviously true. The worst anyone can threaten you with is death and that is already the unavoidable outcome of our lives.

The danger inherent in Christianity, as I see it, is the idea that we have been given a guarantee of some kind. As long as we are alive, we are making decisions. I don't personally see how a guarantee can be given to someone who still possesses the free will to choose a side.

I believe we are judged at death and not a moment before. If we judge ourselves as saved by a guarantee we believe has already been given to us, then we will begin to judge others by that same belief system.

This is, IMO, not the proper way to evaluate the threats and perils life presents us.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I still don't understand why you would believe that there are evil beings or malevolent spirits more powerful than yourself.

After all, if God is with you, who can be against you? On an individual level concerning your own free will, this is obviously true. The worst anyone can threaten you with is death and that is already the unavoidable outcome of our lives.

The danger inherent in Christianity, as I see it, is the idea that we have been given a guarantee of some kind. As long as we are alive, we are making decisions. I don't personally see how a guarantee can be given to someone who still possesses the free will to choose a side.

I believe we are judged at death and not a moment before. If we judge ourselves as saved by a guarantee we believe has already been given to us, then we will begin to judge others by that same belief system.

This is, IMO, not the proper way to evaluate the threats and perils life presents us.
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I guess the best way I can explain it is in the physical realm. There are people physically stronger than me, but they can't use their power against me because I have "authorities" that are stronger. In the same way, in myself I may have little spiritual strength, but I don't need it because Jesus will always back me up; the powers of evil cannot touch me without his permission. I think maybe we agree but I'm just not explaining it very well.

I honestly don't see a guarantee as a danger though. We can easily be persuaded or fooled by malevolent entities, but if we choose freely to be adopted as children of God, we are protected from choices that would lead to our own harm. We often do things that we regret later, because we are not as strong as we think. Our "will power" is notoriously fickle, and our "resolutions" are often the source of jokes. To leave such a fragile thing as our will in charge of keeping our final destiny would seem unwise to me. This is why I find great comfort in the knowledge that once I chose to accept Jesus, I would be protected not only from malevolent entities but from my own poor judgment or weak will, insofar as it pertains to my eternal spirit.

At the moment we leave this earth, there are no more chances to decide which "kingdom" we will spend eternity in. That is the Christian's motivation to use our time in this life to tell people that Jesus died for them and rose again, so that all it takes to be reconciled to God is to put our trust in this Jesus. This does not make us judges of their eternal destinies, but ambassadors of hope. The apostle Paul said point blank that we are not to judge unbelievers, but only believers. Many Christians do not understand this, and they go around acting surprised and offended that the lost don't act like the saved. But for those who do understand, we do not judge ourselves but only accept what we believe is a fact and a promise from God. We believe we are saved simply because God promised it to us when we placed faith in Jesus.

I'm not sure what you mean by evaluating the threats and perils of life. Knowing that this life is under Satan's rule means I expect bad things to happen, and rejoice when anything good happens since it is unexpected in such a kingdom. The fact that good ever happens at all is evidence to me that Satan is limited by God. And rather than death being the end of everything, which to me strips all meaning from life, I see eternity with God as the perfect adventure, an eternity of discovery and creativity and fun, without pain or grief.
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I guess the best way I can explain it is in the physical realm. There are people physically stronger than me, but they can't use their power against me because I have "authorities" that are stronger. In the same way, in myself I may have little spiritual strength, but I don't need it because Jesus will always back me up; the powers of evil cannot touch me without his permission. I think maybe we agree but I'm just not explaining it very well.

I honestly don't see a guarantee as a danger though. We can easily be persuaded or fooled by malevolent entities, but if we choose freely to be adopted as children of God, we are protected from choices that would lead to our own harm. We often do things that we regret later, because we are not as strong as we think. Our "will power" is notoriously fickle, and our "resolutions" are often the source of jokes. To leave such a fragile thing as our will in charge of keeping our final destiny would seem unwise to me. This is why I find great comfort in the knowledge that once I chose to accept Jesus, I would be protected not only from malevolent entities but from my own poor judgment or weak will, insofar as it pertains to my eternal spirit.

At the moment we leave this earth, there are no more chances to decide which "kingdom" we will spend eternity in. That is the Christian's motivation to use our time in this life to tell people that Jesus died for them and rose again, so that all it takes to be reconciled to God is to put our trust in this Jesus. This does not make us judges of their eternal destinies, but ambassadors of hope. The apostle Paul said point blank that we are not to judge unbelievers, but only believers. Many Christians do not understand this, and they go around acting surprised and offended that the lost don't act like the saved. But for those who do understand, we do not judge ourselves but only accept what we believe is a fact and a promise from God. We believe we are saved simply because God promised it to us when we placed faith in Jesus.

I'm not sure what you mean by evaluating the threats and perils of life. Knowing that this life is under Satan's rule means I expect bad things to happen, and rejoice when anything good happens since it is unexpected in such a kingdom. The fact that good ever happens at all is evidence to me that Satan is limited by God. And rather than death being the end of everything, which to me strips all meaning from life, I see eternity with God as the perfect adventure, an eternity of discovery and creativity and fun, without pain or grief.
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What is physical strength without the intellect to use it properly? In this way, what is spiritual discernment without the strength of will to back it up?

The physically strong do not rule the world. They are used as minions to enforce the will of the intellectual manipulators that hide behind them.

How can you say that God gave us free will on the one hand, and then turn around and demean it as fickle and fragile?

If our will is fickle and fragile it is only because we have not used our time here to strengthen it...instead we decided to rely on God to shelter us from the perils of life that God meant for us to use to forge our gifts into an unmovable will.

God gave us a gift. That gift is free will. The effort to strengthen it left to us. The many lessons that are used to strengthen such an iron will include both evil and good sources.

To expect only evil things to happen is folly. We know that good and evil reside in the hearts of our fellow man. If we expect only evil from them, then we have already judged them.

The only thing that can and should be expected, IMO, is death. Not the death of others, but of ourselves. I don't believe that death is necessarily the ending, but if I go around acting like it isn't then I am denying the very essence of life itself. I am denying the known. The absolute certainty.

If, IMO, spiritual discernment is what you lack, then start by understanding that regardless of where your spirit may go after death...you must go through death to get there.

And since we are hard wired to desire survival at all costs, I would say that the importance of our personal death is quite obvious.

I believe, to look past death is to look past discernment. If anyone does it, they are merely practicing endless folly.
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Wow. Petraeus out...out over an extra marital affair.

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The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
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What is physical strength without the intellect to use it properly? In this way, what is spiritual discernment without the strength of will to back it up?
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Yet people waste such things all the time. I do agree that we must daily choose the direction we will go, the kind of people we will be, the depth of our convictions. But this doesn't make us invincible, and I think it's clinically proven that a person's will can be broken. I don't mean to say that God spoon-feeds us, but that he puts limits on what we must endure or how far he will let us fall. A good parent will guide and protect their children, but allow them to suffer within limits from their own mistakes. This is how our will is shaped, how we learn to make decisions. Yet we have our limits and vulnerabilities.

The physically strong do not rule the world. They are used as minions to enforce the will of the intellectual manipulators that hide behind them.
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I agree; I only used the physical to try to illustrate the principle of authority vs. power. The manipulators could do nothing without threats, whether they are physical or financial or emotional. But whatever the means, the end is control.

How can you say that God gave us free will on the one hand, and then turn around and demean it as fickle and fragile?
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Surely you understand why we have phrases like "will power" and "determination"; what would they mean if it took no effort to stay on a particular path? Jesus said, "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"; we are beings with a dual nature, both of which battle against each other. This is why we often lose resolve. But how does this conflict with free will? If it were not free, there would never be any conflict or struggle.

If our will is fickle and fragile it is only because we have not used our time here to strengthen it...instead we decided to rely on God to shelter us from the perils of life that God meant for us to use to forge our gifts into an unmovable will.
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I agree; the will must be trained. But God's sheltering is not overriding; it is only setting limits. It's like a fenced playground. The purpose of the fence is not to dictate what the children will play, but to keep them safe from traffic or strangers. Our reliance on God is not a blank check to absolve us of all responsibility, but a safety net. It takes a great deal of skill, practice, and discipline to walk a high wire, even if that net is in place. Any Christian who would use the protection of God to escape personal responsibility is immature and cowardly.

To expect only evil things to happen is folly. We know that good and evil reside in the hearts of our fellow man. If we expect only evil from them, then we have already judged them.
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I didn't mean to give the idea that I never think good things happen, sorry for any misunderstanding. What I tried to say is that evil should not surprise us at all; it explains why there is so much suffering in the world, yet why there is also hope. I'm talking about Satan, the king of this world, not his subjects.

The only thing that can and should be expected, IMO, is death. Not the death of others, but of ourselves. I don't believe that death is necessarily the ending, but if I go around acting like it isn't then I am denying the very essence of life itself. I am denying the known. The absolute certainty.
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I don't see it that way. My expectation of life beyond the grave is what gives meaning to what I do here. To live as though nothing else is to be expected is, IMHO, extremely depressing and hopeless, because nothing matters and people I loved are forever gone. I can't live like that.
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Wow. Petraeus out...out over an extra marital affair.

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And I thought he was "one of them". Very interesting.
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What is physical strength without the intellect to use it properly? In this way, what is spiritual discernment without the strength of will to back it up?
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Yet people waste such things all the time. I do agree that we must daily choose the direction we will go, the kind of people we will be, the depth of our convictions. But this doesn't make us invincible, and I think it's clinically proven that a person's will can be broken. I don't mean to say that God spoon-feeds us, but that he puts limits on what we must endure or how far he will let us fall. A good parent will guide and protect their children, but allow them to suffer within limits from their own mistakes. This is how our will is shaped, how we learn to make decisions. Yet we have our limits and vulnerabilities.
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Has it been? So, would you say torture is productive? Is not the end result of torture (by way of waterboarding, sensory deprivation, sensory bombardment, stress positions, threats and execution of bodily harm, etc.) that the torturee simply tells the torturer whatever he thinks the torturer wants to hear in hopes of ending the torture?

Yes, the mind can be broken. Psychotic episodes can certainly be induced. But that doesn't touch a person's impeccability.

The only thing that can and should be expected, IMO, is death. Not the death of others, but of ourselves. I don't believe that death is necessarily the ending, but if I go around acting like it isn't then I am denying the very essence of life itself. I am denying the known. The absolute certainty.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

I don't see it that way. My expectation of life beyond the grave is what gives meaning to what I do here. To live as though nothing else is to be expected is, IMHO, extremely depressing and hopeless, because nothing matters and people I loved are forever gone. I can't live like that.
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Perhaps you are not understanding what I am saying here. To live as though nothing is guaranteed after death begets the proper discernment to priorities what one truly values in life.

Regardless of how you feel about the importance of death, it is still there. You are going to either die while those you love are still around, or they will die first followed by yourself at a later time, perhaps leaving others you have come to love along the way.

That's the thing about death. It cannot be fully ignored, and to attempt to ignore it and our relationship to it is thus endless folly. You spoke of the struggle of free will, well, IMO, the struggle against death encompasses that struggle. I believe that awareness stops death.

Let me pose you this question...how is the possibility that there lies nothing after death any more terrifying than the possibility that one may be eternally damned to hell?

I am not saying you, in particular. But generally. Is it more terrifying to think that we just wink out of existence? Hell vs. Nothing. What is more terrifying?

I say death is discernment because nothing matters outside its touch while we walk the earth in our physical bodies. I don't believe death is an 'evil' force. It is neutral. It has to be. It has a personal relationship with each of us, just as the spirit does.

I do agree that we only choose once to freely serve what we perceive as God's will. However, the choices we make after this point are equally important in our spiritual path. We must be careful not to believe every act we perform is in accordance with God's will. We are constantly developing a better understanding of ourselves and our relationship with God, that is, if we are on the right path. A humble man would never consider himself a Saint while he still had breath in his lungs. To do so would mean he had reached the end of his spiritual potential.

So, IMO, we don't forfeit our free will to 'Jesus' or 'God' while we exist, because we must use that ever strengthening free will to realize our potential. Our potential is never reached while we are still here on earth to develop it. We walk a narrow path from the day we choose the path of spiritual enlightenment, but there is still the struggle to go as far down that path as we can go in this life. Thus, the choice carries with it a special intent. A momentum that builds and stays with us. It stays with us to the day we confront death.

When we have our last battle with death, we let our spirit flow free and rejoice. We rejoice knowing that our spirit is impeccable. Death will give those it deems worthy a moment to recall our personal power...our highly developed gifts from God. And we laugh as we seek our opening to freedom.

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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haha. Quoting malfunction. Spiritual agreement?

Edit: not this time. This time it was human error. ;)

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Has it been? So, would you say torture is productive? Is not the end result of torture (by way of waterboarding, sensory deprivation, sensory bombardment, stress positions, threats and execution of bodily harm, etc.) that the torturee simply tells the torturer whatever he thinks the torturer wants to hear in hopes of ending the torture?

Yes, the mind can be broken. Psychotic episodes can certainly be induced. But that doesn't touch a person's impeccability.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

Why would I say torture is productive, except for the evil people who would do it? I was only saying that the will can be broken, not whether this was a good thing. I had the impression that you were arguing that this was not possible. And I really didn't mean the mind, but the will; a person can "lose heart" or "lose the will to live" for example.

Also, assuming you mean impeccability in the sense of sinlessness, I would say that sin depends upon free will. Many Christians would disagree (Calvinism especially), but I believe that in order for there to be sin, there must be the free choice to sin or not.

Perhaps you are not understanding what I am saying here. To live as though nothing is guaranteed after death begets the proper discernment to priorities what one truly values in life.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

Again, I don't see it that way. Some people think that if nothing is guaranteed, then they should live however they want and just take their chances. Life would just be a big gamble. In fact, one of the criticisms of religion is that it controls people's behavior, so it seems to me that faith has more effect on people's behavior than agnosticism, since an accounting for one's life is a motivating force on how that life is lived.

That's the thing about death. It cannot be fully ignored, and to attempt to ignore it and our relationship to it is thus endless folly. You spoke of the struggle of free will, well, IMO, the struggle against death encompasses that struggle. I believe that awareness stops death.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

But who is ignoring it?

Let me pose you this question...how is the possibility that there lies nothing after death any more terrifying than the possibility that one may be eternally damned to hell?
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I never said this either. I said it was depressing, not terrifying.

I say death is discernment because nothing matters outside its touch while we walk the earth in our physical bodies. I don't believe death is an 'evil' force. It is neutral. It has to be. It has a personal relationship with each of us, just as the spirit does.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

Again, this is not something I'm arguing, that death is evil.

I do agree that we only choose once to freely serve what we perceive as God's will. However, the choices we make after this point are equally important in our spiritual path. We must be careful not to believe every act we perform is in accordance with God's will. We are constantly developing a better understanding of ourselves and our relationship with God, that is, if we are on the right path. A humble man would never consider himself a Saint while he still had breath in his lungs. To do so would mean he had reached the end of his spiritual potential.
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And once again, this is not my argument. Who believes that "every act we perform is in accordance with God's will"? Only the hyper-Calvinist might believe such a thing.

So, IMO, we don't forfeit our free will to 'Jesus' or 'God' while we exist, because we must use that ever strengthening free will to realize our potential. Our potential is never reached while we are still here on earth to develop it. We walk a narrow path from the day we choose the path of spiritual enlightenment, but there is still the struggle to go as far down that path as we can go in this life. Thus, the choice carries with it a special intent. A momentum that builds and stays with us. It stays with us to the day we confront death.
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I thought I already responded to this one. Free will is not nullified by outside limits, any more than the children in a fenced playground cannot freely choose what to play within it.

When we have our last battle with death, we let our spirit flow free and rejoice. We rejoice knowing that our spirit is impeccable. Death will give those it deems worthy a moment to recall our personal power...our highly developed gifts from God. And we laugh as we seek our opening to freedom.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze

How do you know? ;-)

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How the blazes does Petraus stepping down get him off the hook for testifying about Benghazi?

EDIT: Honest, I didn't say "blazes" to refer to my esteemed conversation partner!

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How the blazes does Petraus stepping down get him off the hook for testifying about Benghazi?

EDIT: Honest, I didn't say "blazes" to refer to my esteemed conversation partner!
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Now that is a great question. I hear some democratic pundits saying that his resignation doesn't matter regarding Benghazi. That other people have just as much access to the information he does.

I don't buy it. The CIA is compartmentalized by design. It is designed that way for the benefit of the chain of command. The higher ups have access to information that the lower levels don't have access to.

So, in my view, Petraus most certainly did have information that his replacement didn't have access to at key points as the Benghazi situation unfolded.

Him stepping down and possibly not being called to testify gives the administration cover. Without doubt.

...and my good friend don't think our conversation is over. I take a break on the weekends from esoterically related philosophical banter. I promise to respond on Monday. ;)
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Now that is a great question. I hear some democratic pundits saying that his resignation doesn't matter regarding Benghazi. That other people have just as much access to the information he does.

I don't buy it. The CIA is compartmentalized by design. It is designed that way for the benefit of the chain of command. The higher ups have access to information that the lower levels don't have access to.

So, in my view, Petraus most certainly did have information that his replacement didn't have access to at key points as the Benghazi situation unfolded.

Him stepping down and possibly not being called to testify gives the administration cover. Without doubt.

...and my good friend don't think our conversation is over. I take a break on the weekends from esoterically related philosophical banter. I promise to respond on Monday. ;)
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Very probable, the compartmentalization angle.

And no hurry, deep conversations can be tiring, and breaks are fine with me.
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Now that is a great question. I hear some democratic pundits saying that his resignation doesn't matter regarding Benghazi. That other people have just as much access to the information he does.

I don't buy it. The CIA is compartmentalized by design. It is designed that way for the benefit of the chain of command. The higher ups have access to information that the lower levels don't have access to.

So, in my view, Petraus most certainly did have information that his replacement didn't have access to at key points as the Benghazi situation unfolded.

Him stepping down and possibly not being called to testify gives the administration cover. Without doubt.

...and my good friend don't think our conversation is over. I take a break on the weekends from esoterically related philosophical banter. I promise to respond on Monday. ;)
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Very probable, the compartmentalization angle.

And no hurry, deep conversations can be tiring, and breaks are fine with me.
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It's like a good game of chess, isn't it? ;)
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The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

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It's like a good game of chess, isn't it? ;)
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Quite so! But I'm too lazy to name the moves or strategies. :-D
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It's like a good game of chess, isn't it? ;)
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Quite so! But I'm too lazy to name the moves or strategies. :-D
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Hah! Lazy my ass. You are a worthy adversary.

Putting out too much information is like being too aggressive with your pawns or infantry. It exposes holes and leaves one vulnerable to being outflanked.

You made me realize that there is definite truth to 'the choice' we make to become spiritual warriors for the hidden potential of mankind...or what you would call being 'saved' by accepting Jesus as your lord and savior.

I almost argued against it, until I realized I can't fully argue against that point. It is specifically stated in the philosophy I follow:

“We choose only once. We choose either to be warriors or to be ordinary men. A second choice does not exist. Not on this earth.”

But, I'm having difficulty explaining the impact of that choice while keeping free will in its proper context.

“The only freedom warriors have is to behave impeccably. Not only is impeccability freedom; it is the only way to straighten out the human form.”

I will think about it this weekend and see if I can rebut your last rebuttal. :)

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The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Hah! Lazy my ass. You are a worthy adversary.
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Thanks! As are you. Most people frustrate me so much with fallacies and utter stupidity that I don't keep at it this long. :-D

Putting out too much information is like being too aggressive with your pawns or infantry. It exposes holes and leaves one vulnerable to being outflanked.

You made me realize that there is definite truth to 'the choice' we make to become spiritual warriors for the hidden potential of mankind...or what you would call being 'saved' by accepting Jesus as your lord and savior.

I almost argued against it, until I realized I can't fully argue against that point. It is specifically stated in the philosophy I follow:

“We choose only once. We choose either to be warriors or to be ordinary men. A second choice does not exist. Not on this earth.”

But, I'm having difficulty explaining the impact of that choice while keeping free will in its proper context.

“The only freedom warriors have is to behave impeccably. Not only is impeccability freedom; it is the only way to straighten out the human form.”

I will think about it this weekend and see if I can rebut your last rebuttal. :)
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That last point, epistemology, exposes our axioms and paradoxes. In the end we come to realize that there is no such thing as a provable belief or a purely academic philosophy. Everyone ultimately arrives at "nothing", the point at which we all must say "I just accept this because it resonates with me, and I can't explain it or defend it".

For me, my view/faith is in what I believe to be a historical fact as verifiable as any other. I arrived at this acceptance through a series of axioms I believe to be rational and highly probable. I then decided what must logically flow from that foundation. And that's all anyone can say about why they believe as they do.

Beyond that is experience, which as anyone must admit, is as varied as snowflakes. But when coupled with philosophy they form a strong bond. The challenge for anyone is to first come to grips with their own epistemology, then examine whether they have followed it consistently to a logical conclusion. But only people who think the way I do would necessarily agree with that anyway, so here we are back at the beginning.
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