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As a Mormon, I am outraged that Fake Mormon Mitt used my Church for his personal gain

 
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Mitt Romney cares more about money than anything else. We've known for a while that he will use any device necessary to keep more money for himself rather than pay a percentage similar to what regular people pay.

The latest device angers me, however. Rather than pay certain taxes, Mitt Romney has funnelled money through a charitable remainder trust for the past 15 years. The charity he used for this purpose? The LDS Church--*my* church. He "gave" $750,000 to the LDS Church in 1996. Over the years, Romney has taken a tax free salary from the trust. The trust principal is now down to around $400,000. So did he "donate" the money to charity, or not? It's looking like not.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

The worst part about this is that many of you will say "that's just good estate planning." You will fail to see how completely immoral it is to use a charity for personal gain. Romney's actions are the complete opposite of what giving to charity should mean.

Prepare to see this guy absolutely destroy the Federal budget and America's fiscal viability by spending us into oblivion--just like the last three Republican Presidents.

Gary Johnson 2012.
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You are probably not even a Mormon, and just spreeding propuganda.

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You are probably not even a Mormon, and just spreeding propuganda.

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Ask me anything. I am a Mormon. I know it. I live it. I love it.
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Mitt Romney cares more about money than anything else. We've known for a while that he will use any device necessary to keep more money for himself rather than pay a percentage similar to what regular people pay.

The latest device angers me, however. Rather than pay certain taxes, Mitt Romney has funnelled money through a charitable remainder trust for the past 15 years. The charity he used for this purpose? The LDS Church--*my* church. He "gave" $750,000 to the LDS Church in 1996. Over the years, Romney has taken a tax free salary from the trust. The trust principal is now down to around $400,000. So did he "donate" the money to charity, or not? It's looking like not.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

The worst part about this is that many of you will say "that's just good estate planning." You will fail to see how completely immoral it is to use a charity for personal gain. Romney's actions are the complete opposite of what giving to charity should mean.

Prepare to see this guy absolutely destroy the Federal budget and America's fiscal viability by spending us into oblivion--just like the last three Republican Presidents.

Gary Johnson 2012.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19910005


You know little about your church huh? As an ex mormon from SLC I can attest to the fact that this issue is deeper than what is stated above. Mitt Romney and the mormon church are a team. You think he just did this with out consulting *your church*? Think again take off the mormon blinders....research...read....think.....I hate to be like this and I am sure as an apostate you will think I have lost my way but truthfully start digging into the church and you wont like what you find.
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Mitt Romney cares more about money than anything else. We've known for a while that he will use any device necessary to keep more money for himself rather than pay a percentage similar to what regular people pay.

The latest device angers me, however. Rather than pay certain taxes, Mitt Romney has funnelled money through a charitable remainder trust for the past 15 years. The charity he used for this purpose? The LDS Church--*my* church. He "gave" $750,000 to the LDS Church in 1996. Over the years, Romney has taken a tax free salary from the trust. The trust principal is now down to around $400,000. So did he "donate" the money to charity, or not? It's looking like not.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

The worst part about this is that many of you will say "that's just good estate planning." You will fail to see how completely immoral it is to use a charity for personal gain. Romney's actions are the complete opposite of what giving to charity should mean.

Prepare to see this guy absolutely destroy the Federal budget and America's fiscal viability by spending us into oblivion--just like the last three Republican Presidents.

Gary Johnson 2012.
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Do you care about the occult symbols pasted all over your Salt Lake temple too. Or the "Pearl of great price" fraud.
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Mormonism is a CULT.

It's all about money and control.

Just google 'lying for the lord'
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18 year old boys as elders, "what a damn shame". My brother joined the church because they paid his moving expenses, unloaded the U-haul, and his first months rent. Thank goodness he woke from that charity.
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I know people who go to Romneys church who say the guy is a real asshole. Won't even talk to anyone who has less than a million bucks.
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give it up shill boy
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I am sure OP wont respond to my post above since I am an apostate but I think it is important he knows....In basic terms Romney used this loophole with the churchs blessing. This was done in return for not monetary compensation but for other compensation which is for everybody else to figure out...
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You know little about your church huh? As an ex mormon from SLC I can attest to the fact that this issue is deeper than what is stated above. Mitt Romney and the mormon church are a team. You think he just did this with out consulting *your church*? Think again take off the mormon blinders....research...read....think.....I hate to be like this and I am sure as an apostate you will think I have lost my way but truthfully start digging into the church and you wont like what you find.
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I'm sure I know everything that you know and more (polyandry, Kinderhook plates, seer stones, etc., blah blah blah). The difference is that I have received an undeniable witness that the Restored Gospel is true. While I believe that the Church is in the wilderness chasing Mammon right now, it is because of people like Mitt Romney. If the Church is to be redeemed from its worldy condition as described in Isaiah chapter 3, members of the Church are going to need to wake up to what's really going on.

Now you, surely, think that *I'm* the crazy one.
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Do you care about the occult symbols pasted all over your Salt Lake temple too. Or the "Pearl of great price" fraud.
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The people who put those symbols there had no idea what they meant. Some of them have been changed. Others will follow.

The Pearl of Great Price is not a fraud. Joseph Smith just didn't understand his role as a medium for revelation.
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I know people who go to Romneys church who say the guy is a real asshole. Won't even talk to anyone who has less than a million bucks.
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I know some of Mitt's inner circle personally. Knowing them, I'm not the least bit surprised about Romney. The guy *is* an a-hole.
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The 4th of July is a national holiday the entire country celebrates, unless it's on a Sunday in my town. Then the fireworks display is on Monday evening, and the entire town treats that Monday as the 4th of July.

It's the same if Halloween is on a Sunday. It's moved to Saturday.

As a non-mormon this is ridiculous.

Be Love!
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Do you care about the occult symbols pasted all over your Salt Lake temple too. Or the "Pearl of great price" fraud.
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The people who put those symbols there had no idea what they meant. Some of them have been changed. Others will follow.

The Pearl of Great Price is not a fraud. Joseph Smith just didn't understand his role as a medium for revelation.
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Joseph Smith was a 33 degree free mason as was Young the whole golden tablet BS is utter fraud as was the so called elephant army in NY when mormon archaeologists cannot find any artifacts or city. Believe me Joseph Smiths only role in Revelation is as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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I am sure OP wont respond to my post above since I am an apostate but I think it is important he knows....In basic terms Romney used this loophole with the churchs blessing. This was done in return for not monetary compensation but for other compensation which is for everybody else to figure out...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13419965


Not only to I know that what you say is true, I know many of the people who form the connection between the Church and the Romney campaign personally. And it makes me sick. There is no philosophy more antithetical to Christianity than Romney's NeoConism.

The Church must be brought out of the wilderness because it has the true Gospel of Christ. My leaving it in protest of the wickedness in high places will not help the Church. We conscientious objectors need to stay so that the culture changes from the inside. I fear for the Church as long as American Mormons are obsessed with money.
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Joseph Smith was a 33 degree free mason as was Young the whole golden tablet BS is utter fraud as was the so called elephant army in NY when mormon archaeologists cannot find any artifacts or city. Believe me Joseph Smiths only role in Revelation is as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Smith did not become a mason until two years before his death. I, frankly, struggle with the Mormon temple ceremony. It clearly was lifted from the Masons. I wonder if Smith fell at some point and if a line needs to be drawn between what he revealed pre-fall and post-fall.

But this much I know: the Book of Mormon is God's word. I do not care that it has not been archeologically proven to be true. It has brought me closer to Jesus than anything other than prayer and service. As a source of truth, it is unmatched. If you actually read it, you might find the same thing. You clearly haven't read it if you think it says anything about an "elephant army" in New York.
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Not just fake Mormon, FAKE EVERYTHING
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Not just fake Mormon, FAKE EVERYTHING
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Almost accurate. Romney is clearly not a fake secret society member who will sell out the "peasants" for his own personal gain.
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pennywiseantibs Your a Clown . The Liberals Can't find any Skeletons . So they Invented The Tax Cheat B.S. op Is Harry Reid spreading lies on GLP .
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I have a couple of questions here.

1) Has Romney been "lying for the Lord"? Is this why he can so easily lie and change his positions with no compunction? Because he believes it's for a sacred cause? I have never seen a candidate lie so much in my lifetime.

2) Does Romney actually believe he has a sacred Mormon destiny as "The One Mighty and Strong" as described in the White Horse prophecy? He was even called this half-jokingly in college and it must have had some effect on him.

3) How does a religious Christian justify vulture capitalism creating tremendous wealth by ruining healthy companies, how does he justify policies screwing the poor, taking trillions in taxes to unnecessarily expand the military, getting in bed with the warmongering chickenhawks, being opposed to federal disaster relief, and a thousand other harmful positions?

Ok, three questions.
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pennywiseantibs Your a Clown . The Liberals Can't find any Skeletons . So they Invented The Tax Cheat B.S. op Is Harry Reid spreading lies on GLP .
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The real clowns are the ones who think that NeoCon Mitt is going to do anything other than spend us into oblivion. That's what Reagan, Bush, and Bush all did and it's what Romney plans to do.
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I have a couple of questions here.

1) Has Romney been "lying for the Lord"? Is this why he can so easily lie and change his positions with no compunction? Because he believes it's for a sacred cause? I have never seen a candidate lie so much in my lifetime.

2) Does Romney actually believe he has a sacred Mormon destiny as "The One Mighty and Strong" as described in the White Horse prophecy? He was even called this half-jokingly in college and it must have had some effect on him.

3) How does a religious Christian justify vulture capitalism creating tremendous wealth by ruining healthy companies, how does he justify policies screwing the poor, taking trillions in taxes to unnecessarily expand the military, getting in bed with the warmongering chickenhawks, being opposed to federal disaster relief, and a thousand other harmful positions?

Ok, three questions.
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I think your questions were rhetorical because, clearly, Romney's political philosophy is at odds with the teachings of the carpenter from Nazareth.
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I have a couple of questions here.

1) Has Romney been "lying for the Lord"? Is this why he can so easily lie and change his positions with no compunction? Because he believes it's for a sacred cause? I have never seen a candidate lie so much in my lifetime.

2) Does Romney actually believe he has a sacred Mormon destiny as "The One Mighty and Strong" as described in the White Horse prophecy? He was even called this half-jokingly in college and it must have had some effect on him.

3) How does a religious Christian justify vulture capitalism creating tremendous wealth by ruining healthy companies, how does he justify policies screwing the poor, taking trillions in taxes to unnecessarily expand the military, getting in bed with the warmongering chickenhawks, being opposed to federal disaster relief, and a thousand other harmful positions?

Ok, three questions.
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I think your questions were rhetorical because, clearly, Romney's political philosophy is at odds with the teachings of the carpenter from Nazareth.
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You and I agree on that, but not the majority on GLP.

My questions are not really rhetorical. I'm genuinely interested to hear from a Mormon. I've known Mormons but I'm not in contact with them now.
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I'm voting for a president, not a pastor.


God doesn't appreciate you calling anyone an a-hole either, deceiver.
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I have a couple of questions here.

1) Has Romney been "lying for the Lord"? Is this why he can so easily lie and change his positions with no compunction? Because he believes it's for a sacred cause? I have never seen a candidate lie so much in my lifetime.

2) Does Romney actually believe he has a sacred Mormon destiny as "The One Mighty and Strong" as described in the White Horse prophecy? He was even called this half-jokingly in college and it must have had some effect on him.

3) How does a religious Christian justify vulture capitalism creating tremendous wealth by ruining healthy companies, how does he justify policies screwing the poor, taking trillions in taxes to unnecessarily expand the military, getting in bed with the warmongering chickenhawks, being opposed to federal disaster relief, and a thousand other harmful positions?

Ok, three questions.
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I think your questions were rhetorical because, clearly, Romney's political philosophy is at odds with the teachings of the carpenter from Nazareth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19910005


You and I agree on that, but not the majority on GLP.

My questions are not really rhetorical. I'm genuinely interested to hear from a Mormon. I've known Mormons but I'm not in contact with them now.
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I'll try to answer them then.

1. Does Romney "lie for the Lord"? He might. I don't know. I think that "lying for the Lord" is an evil practice, no matter who engages in it. I cringed when Gordon B. Hinckley lied about "as man is God once was, as God is man will become" on national TV in 1995. I think God puts up with the sins of the leaders of his Church and carries His work forward in spite of them. If Mitt thinks that he's doing something "sacred" then he is, IMO, delusional.

2. Does Romney think he's the fulfillment of the "White Horse prophecy"? I believe that he does think it. And, unfortunately, many Mormons think it. The Book of Mormon specifically warns against pride and against thinking that "all is well in Zion." Isaiah 3 describes a period when the Lord's Church becomes haughty and worldly. In Isaiah 4, the Church is redeemed from its folly. I think we're in the Isaiah 3 period now. This fits with something else that Brigham Young prophesied: "Brethren, this church will be led onto the very brink of hell by the leaders of this people, then God will send the one mighty and strong spoken of in the 85th section of the Doctrine and Covenants, to save and redeem this church." The White Horse prophecy does not refer to "one mighty and strong." It says that "the Mormon Elders will be called in to save the Constitution." It will not be filled by one man but my many. Romney is delusional. I think that there will be an attempt at a military coup at some point in the future. The Constitution will hang by a thread and I believe that the Mormons in the military will turn on the organizers of the coup and support the President and save the Constitution. I have never shared what I think will happen to fulfill the White Horse prophesy. I am in the minority of Mormons in being able to see through Romney's BS.

3. How can Romney justify vulture capitalism as a professed Christian? He can't. "No man can serve God and Mammon." Romney would sell his mother for money. This is why I call him a fake Mormon. Everything he does is to be seen of men.
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I'm voting for a president, not a pastor.


God doesn't appreciate you calling anyone an a-hole either, deceiver.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


Is that an excuse to vote for someone who is completely amoral and possibly immoral? Sounds like you've had to turn a lot of screws in your head to convince yourself that Romney will be good for the country.

I will say this for Romney. I have no doubt that he is a good family man and that he takes care of his own. I have no doubt that he gives service and makes charitable contributions wihtin the context of the LDS Church. But his practices as a financial speculator (Reagan's budget director's description) and as a politician are completely corrupt.
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Mitt Romney cares more about money than anything else. We've known for a while that he will use any device necessary to keep more money for himself rather than pay a percentage similar to what regular people pay.

The latest device angers me, however. Rather than pay certain taxes, Mitt Romney has funnelled money through a charitable remainder trust for the past 15 years. The charity he used for this purpose? The LDS Church--*my* church. He "gave" $750,000 to the LDS Church in 1996. Over the years, Romney has taken a tax free salary from the trust. The trust principal is now down to around $400,000. So did he "donate" the money to charity, or not? It's looking like not.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

The worst part about this is that many of you will say "that's just good estate planning." You will fail to see how completely immoral it is to use a charity for personal gain. Romney's actions are the complete opposite of what giving to charity should mean.

Prepare to see this guy absolutely destroy the Federal budget and America's fiscal viability by spending us into oblivion--just like the last three Republican Presidents.

Gary Johnson 2012.
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So which ward are you a member of and what stake?
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I'm voting for a president, not a pastor.


God doesn't appreciate you calling anyone an a-hole either, deceiver.
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Is that an excuse to vote for someone who is completely amoral and possibly immoral? Sounds like you've had to turn a lot of screws in your head to convince yourself that Romney will be good for the country.

I will say this for Romney. I have no doubt that he is a good family man and that he takes care of his own. I have no doubt that he gives service and makes charitable contributions wihtin the context of the LDS Church. But his practices as a financial speculator (Reagan's budget director's description) and as a politician are completely corrupt.
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Can you list me his corruptions?

No cut and paste from the huffpo shenanigans , either.
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Mitt Romney cares more about money than anything else. We've known for a while that he will use any device necessary to keep more money for himself rather than pay a percentage similar to what regular people pay.

The latest device angers me, however. Rather than pay certain taxes, Mitt Romney has funnelled money through a charitable remainder trust for the past 15 years. The charity he used for this purpose? The LDS Church--*my* church. He "gave" $750,000 to the LDS Church in 1996. Over the years, Romney has taken a tax free salary from the trust. The trust principal is now down to around $400,000. So did he "donate" the money to charity, or not? It's looking like not.

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

The worst part about this is that many of you will say "that's just good estate planning." You will fail to see how completely immoral it is to use a charity for personal gain. Romney's actions are the complete opposite of what giving to charity should mean.

Prepare to see this guy absolutely destroy the Federal budget and America's fiscal viability by spending us into oblivion--just like the last three Republican Presidents.

Gary Johnson 2012.
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So which ward are you a member of and what stake?
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You might as well ask me my address and social security number.

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